Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hello all, has anyone had any problems with their kick pad??  

I have been having problems with mine.  Mine seems to go in and out.  I 
am not sure if there is a short or what.  I am using the KP60 kick pad 
that came with the set. 

If I end up purchasing a new one, do you have any sugestions on an 
upgraded or better model?

Thanks

Tim H.

sorbaduck wrote:

>  Hello all, has anyone had any problems with their kick pad??
>
> I have been having problems with mine.  Mine seems to go in and out.
> I
> am not sure if there is a short or what.  I am using the KP60 kick pad
>
> that came with the set.
>
> If I end up purchasing a new one, do you have any sugestions on an
> upgraded or better model?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim H.

 My drummer and I played a gig earlier this year, and it rained... and
rained. His kick pad got wet before we played, and wouldn't work at all.
The next day, I took it apart and found the membrane sensor had gotten
wet. I tried everything to bring it back to life, but wound up buying
another membrane from Yamaha. It's easy to replace, and I think it wound
up around $25 including shipping.

Not much in the kick pad, so it's probably the sensor or a bad
connection on the 1/4" jack.

Good luck.

*Jim*

Hi Brian (and everyone else),

I do not know if this will help or not, but when I
picked up my kit, the KP60 had been modified.  Someone
had removed the polarity switch and gain control,
basically wiring the trigger right to the output jack.
  I can't say that I have noticed any mis-triggers
from it at all, and it responds very well with both
soft and hard hits.  Is there a chance that the
mis-triggers are caused by the use of cheap pots and
switches? I haven't missed not having either a
polarity switch or a gain control on the pedal at all.
 Any of you electronic types reading this want to
weigh in on this theory?
On your other question on pedals, Yamaha does make an
upgraded version which is a KP80S. I have a Pintech
Vertikik as  my other kick pad, and it works well too.
 

Walt
--- Brian <bfouty@...> wrote:
> Hey everybody. I'm new to the group, and will soon
> be buying my first electronic kit. I'm really
> starting to lean toward the  DTXpress, but all these
> kick pad problems are starting to freak me out a
> little. I really don't wanna be in the middle of a
> gig, and have the thing start acting up. Our Band
> plays anywhere from 2-5 gigs a week, so reliability
> is a serious issue here. Dose yamaha make a better
> kick pad then the KP60? Another question...Are you
> folks that are having problems having trouble with
> the older DTXpress kick, or is this happening to the
> newer upgraded version also? Any info will be put to
> good use, so thanks in advance.
>                                                     
>                        Brian
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Zachary Shuckhart 
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:32 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Kick Pad problem
> 
> 
>   Yes, the kick pad seems to crap out.  I was
> getting double triggering on mine for a while before
> it finally died.  I would recomend getting a quality
> trigger like a Pintech.
>    
>   On a related note, I broke two beaters on the damn
> KP60.  Maybe I was just too hard on the little
> bugger... ;)
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: sorbaduck 
>     To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
>     Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:03 PM
>     Subject: [DTXpress] Kick Pad problem
> 
> 
>     Hello all, has anyone had any problems with
> their kick pad??  
> 
>     I have been having problems with mine.  Mine
> seems to go in and out.  I 
>     am not sure if there is a short or what.  I am
> using the KP60 kick pad 
>     that came with the set. 
> 
>     If I end up purchasing a new one, do you have
> any sugestions on an 
>     upgraded or better model?
> 
>     Thanks
> 
>     Tim H.
> 
> 
> 
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Hi,

Contrary 2 all the posts about unreliability, i've had my DTXpress 4 a year now, and have NEVER had any problems with it, and trust me, it gets heavily gigged !! Everything works as well as it did when i 1st bought it and i am more than happy with it ;o)

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I guess thats the kind of stuff I need to hear before I buy this kit. 
Just as a general poll to everybody out there. Of those of you that 
already own this kit, How many of you have had problems with the kick 
pad, and how long have you owned your DTXpress? I'm not reading about 
any other problems with the tom or snare pads, so I'm not as worried 
about that. I'm thinking of ordering the kit from my local shop, so 
maybe I can just tell the guy to have yamaha ship it to them with the 
KP80S instead of the KP60. It would involve an extra charge, but 
probably worth it.
                    Brian
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Contrary 2 all the posts about unreliability, i've had my DTXpress 
4 a year now, and have NEVER had any problems with it, and trust me, 
it gets heavily gigged !! Everything works as well as it did when i 
1st bought it and i am more than happy with it ;o)
> 
> Rob.
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------
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I have had my kit for about a year and a half and use it only for 
pleasure and stress relief.  Everything has been great with the 
exception of the kick pad.  Maybe I just kick to hard.  

I have one additional question regaurding an upgrade.  I checked out 
the Pintech Vertikik on the internet and it looks pretty cool but, what 
about Pintech's CK-V ConcertKik Upright Kick Trigger?  Will it work on 
the DTxpress??  

Thanks again to all who replied you have been very helpfull thus far.

Tim H.

I've personally naver had a problem with the
electornics of it.

My kick pad DOES occasianally act up usually i found
its related to the position of the bass drum beater in
relation to thr sensor
my pedal has a habit of letting the beater come loose
and work its way up and since not 100% of the pad is
trigger when i start hearing missed notes its Always
that been the beater position

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Well...

I have had some problems too. Some times it triggers after a hit (trrtrrtrrtrrtrrtrrtrrtrrtrrtrr).It's not too loud, a soft "trrtrrtrrtrrtrrtrrtrrtrr" like a cat.
I haven't gigged yet so I don\ufffdt know what to do about it. 

I recommend you (if you can at your local store) to try to assign in the shop a bass-drum sound to the hi-hat pedal and change of place (place it at your right foot). I tell you this because a friend of mine, who has really big feet can not make quick doubles with a standard pedal (cause his foot doesn't fit) but he can with this pedal. And it makes no noise!!! And if you want double bass drumming (as you can use hi-hat pedal for another bass-drum) it will do feel more confortable if you want the two pedals feel the same. Think about it. If you want spend a little more, buy one for me!!!

I have a tip for Giles (it may be silly...). You can have hi-hat and bass-drum, all in one (Janus pedal, men...). If you assign V1 hi-hat closed and V2 bass drum, when you step soft you make "chik-chik-chik" and when you hit hard you get "bup-bup-bup" and you can do what I have read in modern drummer (step simultaneouslly hi-hat and bass-drum pedal) if you get the "spot" where they sound two at the same time.
Well, it's a shit tip or what (I can play jazz stepping softly and get a double bassdrum pattern to fuck up the song... it's funny)

Also try V1 as some effect (sounding like "beep") for snare drum ghost notes... You can get funny beats!!

Bye
--

On Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:48:00  
 styxx71 wrote:

>I guess thats the kind of stuff I need to hear before I buy this kit. 
>Just as a general poll to everybody out there. Of those of you that 
>already own this kit, How many of you have had problems with the kick 
>pad, and how long have you owned your DTXpress? I'm not reading about 
>any other problems with the tom or snare pads, so I'm not as worried 
>about that. I'm thinking of ordering the kit from my local shop, so 
>maybe I can just tell the guy to have yamaha ship it to them with the 
>KP80S instead of the KP60. It would involve an extra charge, but 
>probably worth it.
>                    Brian
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Contrary 2 all the posts about unreliability, i've had my DTXpress 
>4 a year now, and have NEVER had any problems with it, and trust me, 
>it gets heavily gigged !! Everything works as well as it did when i 
>1st bought it and i am more than happy with it ;o)
>> 
>> Rob.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------
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>http://www.talk21.com
>
>

I have owned my DTxpress for a year. I play every weekend, Friday and 
Saturday nights. I have had no problems with any thing about my kit. 
The kick tower is a little noisy mechanically, but with the on-stage 
volume, it is never a problem. It never misses a beat! And I do some 
double-bass kind of stuff with just one foot, so it has to track 
perfectly. I use a tom pad for ride cymbal, it tracks much better than 
the cymbal pads. (Although the cymbal pads work great for crashes.
And I use a pintech concertcast for snare, so I can't comment on the 
tp60 for snare. But I love my kit. I beat the hell out of it and it 
has never failed me. Even the 'flimsy' rack and clamps have withstood 
all the gigs and travel with no breakdowns.....Scott

--- In DTXpress@y..., "sorbaduck" <thutto@u...> wrote:
> Hello all, has anyone had any problems with their kick pad??  
> 
> I have been having problems with mine.  Mine seems to go in and out. 
 I 
> am not sure if there is a short or what.  I am using the KP60 kick 
pad 

> that came with the set. 
> 
> If I end up purchasing a new one, do you have any sugestions on an 
> upgraded or better model?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tim H.

There are several adjustments for the hihat pedal. One is a mechanical 
adjustment at the pedal itself (see booklet that came with pedal) 
There is a sensitivity switch on the pedal.
There are several adjustments in the brain itself. Some in the trigger 
setup menu and some in the utility menu. A little tweeking should get 
you very close to the response you like, but as Plastic said, you have 
to get used to it. No matter what you do, it is not the same as 
acoustic. After a while, It will be great. Some hh patches don't offer 
a full range of open, partly closed, and closed sounds. For the ones 
that do, you will need to adjust the decay time to get a realistic 
transition between closed and just open. Try a longer decay on the 
closed and a shorter decay on the open. The longer the decay on the 
open makes a marvelous sustain on the hats, but the first partly open 
sound will be too open! The same goes for the closed sound. A short 
decay gives a nice 'chick' sound, but won't transition well to partly 
open. 
As for the kick volume, it probably needs to be turned up. In 'live' 
mode(in the utility menu)the click volume turns up the kick. If it is 
not in 'live' mode press 'shift' while turning the 'click' volume to 
adjust the kick. but the low volume could have been the fault of the 
amplifying system. Most headphones don't do the bass justice, and you 
need a good amp and speakers to really hear it the way it should be. 
There is no substitute for a good amp or PA!!!....Scott 
--- In DTXpress@y..., "Brian" <bfouty@1...> wrote:
> The Drum guy at my local shop told me he's never had any body 
reporting any problems with the KP60, but after discussing this groups 
comments with him, said that I might be better off having him order 
the kit without the kick pad. He recommended a Roland V kick pad with 
the mesh head. Any comments about that from anybody? Or is there a 
cheaper option that works as well. I know that some pintech stuff has 
been mentioned, but he's not a pintech dealer, and doesn't order from 
them. On the bright side of things.... I sat down at the music shops 
older DTXpress, and messed around for about 2 hours..I loved it. It 
tracked very well, and was pretty sensitive. Didn't seem to track real 
well at VERY light playing, but if I understand what I've read on 
here, then that's an adjustment matter?? What about the Hi hat 
pedal?.... It didn't seem to open and close as well as I'd hoped. Can 
the pedal be adjusted to operate a little smoother? The kick drum 
didn't seem to be very loud either. Everything else was loud and 
clear, but the kick just seemed a little low to me. Again...thats 
probably an adjustment thing. Anyway... I loved it, and plan on buying 
the newer model, with a couple of upgrades. Thanks for all the 
comments folks...It's very helpful to us new people that know nothing 
about electronic kits.
>                        Brian
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: hairytrigger 
>   To: DTXpress@y... 
>   Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:57 PM
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Kick Pad problem
> 
> 
>   I have owned my DTxpress for a year. I play every weekend, Friday 
and 
>   Saturday nights. I have had no problems with any thing about my 
kit. 
>   The kick tower is a little noisy mechanically, but with the 
on-stage 
>   volume, it is never a problem. It never misses a beat! And I do 
some 
>   double-bass kind of stuff with just one foot, so it has to track 
>   perfectly. I use a tom pad for ride cymbal, it tracks much better 
than 
>   the cymbal pads. (Although the cymbal pads work great for crashes.
>   And I use a pintech concertcast for snare, so I can't comment on 
the 
>   tp60 for snare. But I love my kit. I beat the hell out of it and 
it 
>   has never failed me. Even the 'flimsy' rack and clamps have 
withstood 
>   all the gigs and travel with no breakdowns.....Scott
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@y..., "sorbaduck" <thutto@u...> wrote:
>   > Hello all, has anyone had any problems with their kick pad??  
>   > 
>   > I have been having problems with mine.  Mine seems to go in and 
out. 
>   I 
>   > am not sure if there is a short or what.  I am using the KP60 
kick 
>   pad 
>   > that came with the set. 
>   > 
>   > If I end up purchasing a new one, do you have any sugestions on 
an 
>   > upgraded or better model?
>   > 
>   > Thanks
>   > 
>   > Tim H.
> 
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Hi Again Brian,

If your dealer doesn't carry some of the components you want, there 
are lots of places that do.  The Roland is probably very nice, for 
$250 for the V-Custom or $350 for the V-Pro, it should be nice.  I 
would recommend looking at the options before you spend that much for 
your bass trigger.  If it turns out to be what you want, then go for 
it!

As for the High Hat pedal, the HH60 that comes standard is one of 
those pedals that has open closed and somewhere in between, as opposed 
to one that has a range between open and closed.  I upgraded to its 
big brother, the HH80 and haven't missed the HH60 at all.  Maybe the 
play for you here is to use the HH60 as your bass pedal, then buy an 
HH80 to use for your high hat?

If you want to look at other places for prices, Drumbalaya has both 
new and used components (www.drumbalaya.com),  but not new Roland or 
Yamaha stuff.  I have found Midwest Percussion very competitive for 
new Yamaha components, but haven't looked that closely at their Roland 
prices.  
Walt
--- In DTXpress@y..., "Brian" <bfouty@1...> wrote:
> The Drum guy at my local shop told me he's never had any body 
reporting any problems with the KP60, but after discussing this groups 
comments with him, said that I might be better off having him order 
the kit without the kick pad. He recommended a Roland V kick pad with 
the mesh head. Any comments about that from anybody? Or is there a 
cheaper option that works as well. I know that some pintech stuff has 
been mentioned, but he's not a pintech dealer, and doesn't order from 
them. On the bright side of things.... I sat down at the music shops 
older DTXpress, and messed around for about 2 hours..I loved it. It 
tracked very well, and was pretty sensitive. Didn't seem to track real 
well at VERY light playing, but if I understand what I've read on 
here, then that's an adjustment matter?? What about the Hi hat 
pedal?.... It didn't seem to open and close as well as I'd hoped. Can 
the pedal be adjusted to operate a little smoother? The kick drum 
didn't seem to be very loud either. Everything else was loud and 
clear, but the kick just seemed a little low to me. Again...thats 
probably an adjustment thing. Anyway... I loved it, and plan on buying 
the newer model, with a couple of upgrades. Thanks for all the 
comments folks...It's very helpful to us new people that know nothing 
about electronic kits.
>                        Brian
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: hairytrigger 
>   To: DTXpress@y... 
>   Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:57 PM
>   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Kick Pad problem
> 
> 
>   I have owned my DTxpress for a year. I play every weekend, Friday 
and 
>   Saturday nights. I have had no problems with any thing about my 
kit. 
>   The kick tower is a little noisy mechanically, but with the 
on-stage 
>   volume, it is never a problem. It never misses a beat! And I do 
some 
>   double-bass kind of stuff with just one foot, so it has to track 
>   perfectly. I use a tom pad for ride cymbal, it tracks much better 
than 
>   the cymbal pads. (Although the cymbal pads work great for crashes.
>   And I use a pintech concertcast for snare, so I can't comment on 
the 
>   tp60 for snare. But I love my kit. I beat the hell out of it and 
it 
>   has never failed me. Even the 'flimsy' rack and clamps have 
withstood 
>   all the gigs and travel with no breakdowns.....Scott
> 
>   --- In DTXpress@y..., "sorbaduck" <thutto@u...> wrote:
>   > Hello all, has anyone had any problems with their kick pad??  
>   > 
>   > I have been having problems with mine.  Mine seems to go in and 
out. 
>   I 
>   > am not sure if there is a short or what.  I am using the KP60 
kick 
>   pad 
>   > that came with the set. 
>   > 
>   > If I end up purchasing a new one, do you have any sugestions on 
an 
>   > upgraded or better model?
>   > 
>   > Thanks
>   > 
>   > Tim H.
> 
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Hi Brian,

I'm guilty again, I have a Vertikik and it works great
- despite it not having lead a sheltered life!  Walt

--- Brian <bfouty@...> wrote:
> Thanks for all the help again everybody....I feel
> like I can go to my drum guy and actually know a
> little about what I'm looking for. After that last
> post of mine, I went to musicians  friend, and found
> that roland V kick for around $300...No
> thanks...LOL. I also checked on the pintech
> vertikick. It was only $89 I think, and comes with a
> lifetime replacement deal. I think I heard somebody
> out there say they had the same thing(can't remember
> for sure) If so...How has that worked out for you?
>                                                     
>                                                     
>                      Brian
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Zachary Shuckhart 
>   To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 9:54 PM
>   Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Kick Pad Question
> 
> 
>   Pretty much all of their stuff should work with
> the DTXpress.  I have the ErgoKick with the inverted
> beater, and it's awesome.
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: sorbaduck 
>     To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com 
>     Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:04 PM
>     Subject: [DTXpress] Kick Pad Question
> 
> 
>     I have had my kit for about a year and a half
> and use it only for 
>     pleasure and stress relief.  Everything has been
> great with the 
>     exception of the kick pad.  Maybe I just kick to
> hard.  
> 
>     I have one additional question regaurding an
> upgrade.  I checked out 
>     the Pintech Vertikik on the internet and it
> looks pretty cool but, what 
>     about Pintech's CK-V ConcertKik Upright Kick
> Trigger?  Will it work on 
>     the DTxpress??  
> 
>     Thanks again to all who replied you have been
> very helpfull thus far.
> 
>     Tim H.
> 
> 
> 
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Regarding the hihat voices:
The voices for open, closed and all in between are in the brain, not 
the pedal. Many of the hihat voices have a range of semi-open sounds 
between closed and fully open. Some do not.(the GM voices in 
particular.) But the ones that do even with the hh60 pedal you can get 
a very realistic hihat response. The trick is in the ratio of 
sustain(decay) of the closed to open sounds. You can get a smooth 
transition between tightly closed to just open, and then several 
phases in between til completely open. The closed sound has to have 
slightly more sustain, and the open sound needs to have slightly less 
sustain. The only downside is that you don't get as much sustain on a 
fully open hihat, like for a crash or swell effect. Its a tradeoff for 
the smooth transition. I need the smmoth transition more.  Scott

--- In DTXpress@y..., "wgardus" <wgardus@y...> wrote:
> Hi Again Brian,
> 
> If your dealer doesn't carry some of the components you want, there 
> are lots of places that do.  The Roland is probably very nice, for 
> $250 for the V-Custom or $350 for the V-Pro, it should be nice.  I 
> would recommend looking at the options before you spend that much 
for 
> your bass trigger.  If it turns out to be what you want, then go for 
> it!
> 
> As for the High Hat pedal, the HH60 that comes standard is one of 
> those pedals that has open closed and somewhere in between, as 
opposed 
> to one that has a range between open and closed.  I upgraded to its 
> big brother, the HH80 and haven't missed the HH60 at all.  Maybe the 
> play for you here is to use the HH60 as your bass pedal, then buy an 
> HH80 to use for your high hat?
> 
> If you want to look at other places for prices, Drumbalaya has both 
> new and used components (www.drumbalaya.com),  but not new Roland or 
> Yamaha stuff.  I have found Midwest Percussion very competitive for 
> new Yamaha components, but haven't looked that closely at their 
Roland 
> prices.  
> Walt
> --- In DTXpress@y..., "Brian" <bfouty@1...> wrote:
> > The Drum guy at my local shop told me he's never had any body 
> reporting any problems with the KP60, but after discussing this 
groups 
> comments with him, said that I might be better off having him order 
> the kit without the kick pad. He recommended a Roland V kick pad 
with 
> the mesh head. Any comments about that from anybody? Or is there a 
> cheaper option that works as well. I know that some pintech stuff 
has 
> been mentioned, but he's not a pintech dealer, and doesn't order 
from 
> them. On the bright side of things.... I sat down at the music shops 
> older DTXpress, and messed around for about 2 hours..I loved it. It 
> tracked very well, and was pretty sensitive. Didn't seem to track 
real 
> well at VERY light playing, but if I understand what I've read on 
> here, then that's an adjustment matter?? What about the Hi hat 
> pedal?.... It didn't seem to open and close as well as I'd hoped. 
Can 
> the pedal be adjusted to operate a little smoother? The kick drum 
> didn't seem to be very loud either. Everything else was loud and 
> clear, but the kick just seemed a little low to me. Again...thats 
> probably an adjustment thing. Anyway... I loved it, and plan on 
buying 
> the newer model, with a couple of upgrades. Thanks for all the 
> comments folks...It's very helpful to us new people that know 
nothing 
> about electronic kits.
> >                        Brian
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: hairytrigger 
> >   To: DTXpress@y... 
> >   Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:57 PM
> >   Subject: [DTXpress] Re: Kick Pad problem
> > 
> > 
> >   I have owned my DTxpress for a year. I play every weekend, 
Friday 
> and 
> >   Saturday nights. I have had no problems with any thing about my 
> kit. 
> >   The kick tower is a little noisy mechanically, but with the 
> on-stage 
> >   volume, it is never a problem. It never misses a beat! And I do 
> some 
> >   double-bass kind of stuff with just one foot, so it has to track 
> >   perfectly. I use a tom pad for ride cymbal, it tracks much 
better 
> than 
> >   the cymbal pads. (Although the cymbal pads work great for 
crashes.
> >   And I use a pintech concertcast for snare, so I can't comment on 
> the 
> >   tp60 for snare. But I love my kit. I beat the hell out of it and 
> it 
> >   has never failed me. Even the 'flimsy' rack and clamps have 
> withstood 
> >   all the gigs and travel with no breakdowns.....Scott
> > 
> >   --- In DTXpress@y..., "sorbaduck" <thutto@u...> wrote:
> >   > Hello all, has anyone had any problems with their kick pad??  
> >   > 
> >   > I have been having problems with mine.  Mine seems to go in 
and 
> out. 
> >   I 
> >   > am not sure if there is a short or what.  I am using the KP60 
> kick 
> >   pad 
> >   > that came with the set. 
> >   > 
> >   > If I end up purchasing a new one, do you have any sugestions 
on 

> an 
> >   > upgraded or better model?
> >   > 
> >   > Thanks
> >   > 
> >   > Tim H.
> > 
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