Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume is an ancillary 
box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell me what it is, 
and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?

Hey Nick!  The PM-16 is an external midi device made by Roland.  
Basically, the reason I bought it was to add an additional 16 
trigger inputs to my dtxpress.  Yes, the box has a whopping 16 
inputs.  I bought it off of ebay for a $100.00 and thats usually how 
much they sell for.  You connect your extra pads to the PM-16 and 
then connect the PM-16 to your dtxpress and you've got a larger set 
to play on!  The PM-16 does have some extra functions, like stuff to 
do with pitch and velocity but nothing to fancy for todays 
standards. Like I said, I only bought it for the additional inputs.  
I mentioned in another post that I am starting to see the value in 
buying another module.  The PM-16 does have its limitations.  For 
example, any pads connected to the PM-16 will sustain their sounds 
on any kit you choose.  So if you connected a pad with a cowbell 
sound and then switched to your user-defined jazz kit, that pad 
would remain a cowbell and you would have to change its voice 
through the utility menu.  As you can tell once you gain lots of 
extra pads and then want to change them for each different kit it 
becomes a sort of hassle just because you can't save their changes 
for each different kit.  Roland makes a new external midi device 
called the TMC-6.  This costs $250.00 and only comes with six extra 
inputs but it has more cool functions than the PM-16.  t Keep in 
mind though that these boxes are in no way another module.  Another 
member also purchased a midikiti, which is another external midi 
device but I'm not sure if it ever worked properly.  If you wanna 
know any more information about it or want a pic of it let me know!  
Also, if anyone else wants to add more information about the PM-16 
please do!!

-UN.H



--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume is an 
ancillary 
> box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell me what it 
is, 
> and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?

Hey, thanks for that info. The TMC-6 sounds like a good idea. $250 
sounds like an okay price but I assume that's U.S. currency, and at 
the current Australia/U.S. exchange rate that means I'd be spending 
US$400. I might be more inclined to get a second DTXpress module 
which, here Downunder, will cost me something like $1000. I'll put 
that on the backburner, I think!

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
wrote:
> Hey Nick!  The PM-16 is an external midi device made by Roland.  
> Basically, the reason I bought it was to add an additional 16 
> trigger inputs to my dtxpress.  Yes, the box has a whopping 16 
> inputs.  I bought it off of ebay for a $100.00 and thats usually 
how 
> much they sell for.  You connect your extra pads to the PM-16 and 
> then connect the PM-16 to your dtxpress and you've got a larger set 
> to play on!  The PM-16 does have some extra functions, like stuff 
to 
> do with pitch and velocity but nothing to fancy for todays 
> standards. Like I said, I only bought it for the additional 
inputs.  
> I mentioned in another post that I am starting to see the value in 
> buying another module.  The PM-16 does have its limitations.  For 
> example, any pads connected to the PM-16 will sustain their sounds 
> on any kit you choose.  So if you connected a pad with a cowbell 
> sound and then switched to your user-defined jazz kit, that pad 
> would remain a cowbell and you would have to change its voice 
> through the utility menu.  As you can tell once you gain lots of 
> extra pads and then want to change them for each different kit it 
> becomes a sort of hassle just because you can't save their changes 
> for each different kit.  Roland makes a new external midi device 
> called the TMC-6.  This costs $250.00 and only comes with six extra 
> inputs but it has more cool functions than the PM-16.  t Keep in 
> mind though that these boxes are in no way another module.  Another 
> member also purchased a midikiti, which is another external midi 
> device but I'm not sure if it ever worked properly.  If you wanna 
> know any more information about it or want a pic of it let me 
know!  

> Also, if anyone else wants to add more information about the PM-16 
> please do!!
> 
> -UN.H
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume is an 
> ancillary 
> > box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell me what it 
> is, 
> > and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?

Hey Nick,

You can now get the TMC-6 for something closer to US $200 than $250, 
though that probably won't make much difference to you. Its 
advantage over the discontinuted PM-16 and the Kat MIDIkiti is its 
inclusion of inputs that reflect the new technology, mainly 
Roland's. It does have stereo input capability, meaning that you 
connect Yamaha, Pintech, or Roland gum rubber pads/cymbals with a 
body/rim or bow/edge through it. But the basic triggering technology 
hasn't changed much in ten years. Though the inputs of both the PM-
16 and MK are all mono, they have sixteen and nine, respectively, 
allowing you to use both single-zone and dual-zone drums and 
cymbals. UNH is right that you have to enter new midi note numbers 
on the DTX for every new sound that you want these units to make, 
but that task seemed like a daunting proposition to users of the 
DTXII module only because of a bug in it that we did not know about 
until some of us had torn out most of our middle-aged hair. (Now we 
routinely advise everyone with a new DTXII who has any MIDI 
ambitions to do a factory reset before trying anything fancy.) 

The two older MIDI interfaces also have different banks (patches or 
kits) that allow the sounds of connected triggers to change when 
kits are changed in the DTX module, as well as other helpful 
parameters. None of this is probably going to matter much to you; 
neither of these units is likely to show up in Australia. But who 
knows? I'm a long-time user of a Kat MIDIkiti, and it has met my 
extra trigger needs quite well. I run the rim of my dual zone snare, 
a splash, a heavy cymbal, a bell sound, a china, and a few other 
odds and ends through it. Something like it may never end up being a 
viable option or desire for you, but remember that if you add 
another module to your setup, you'll also need a mixer to coordinate 
them.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Hey, thanks for that info. The TMC-6 sounds like a good idea. $250 
> sounds like an okay price but I assume that's U.S. currency, and 
at 
> the current Australia/U.S. exchange rate that means I'd be 
spending 
> US$400. I might be more inclined to get a second DTXpress module 
> which, here Downunder, will cost me something like $1000. I'll put 
> that on the backburner, I think!
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
<realvast@s...> 
> wrote:
> > Hey Nick!  The PM-16 is an external midi device made by Roland.  
> > Basically, the reason I bought it was to add an additional 16 
> > trigger inputs to my dtxpress.  Yes, the box has a whopping 16 
> > inputs.  I bought it off of ebay for a $100.00 and thats usually 
> how 
> > much they sell for.  You connect your extra pads to the PM-16 
and 
> > then connect the PM-16 to your dtxpress and you've got a larger 
set 
> > to play on!  The PM-16 does have some extra functions, like 
stuff 
> to 
> > do with pitch and velocity but nothing to fancy for todays 
> > standards. Like I said, I only bought it for the additional 
> inputs.  
> > I mentioned in another post that I am starting to see the value 
in 
> > buying another module.  The PM-16 does have its limitations.  
For 
> > example, any pads connected to the PM-16 will sustain their 
sounds 
> > on any kit you choose.  So if you connected a pad with a cowbell 
> > sound and then switched to your user-defined jazz kit, that pad 
> > would remain a cowbell and you would have to change its voice 
> > through the utility menu.  As you can tell once you gain lots of 
> > extra pads and then want to change them for each different kit 
it 
> > becomes a sort of hassle just because you can't save their 
changes 
> > for each different kit.  Roland makes a new external midi device 
> > called the TMC-6.  This costs $250.00 and only comes with six 
extra 
> > inputs but it has more cool functions than the PM-16.  t Keep in 
> > mind though that these boxes are in no way another module.  
Another 
> > member also purchased a midikiti, which is another external midi 
> > device but I'm not sure if it ever worked properly.  If you 
wanna 
> > know any more information about it or want a pic of it let me 
> know!  
> > Also, if anyone else wants to add more information about the PM-
16 
> > please do!!
> > 
> > -UN.H
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
<njcarroll56@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume is an 
> > ancillary 
> > > box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell me what 
it 
> > is, 
> > > and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?

Thanks, Ed. I am filing away that info for future reference!  By the 
way, going back to my on-going frustration re linking a drumkit to a 
self-programmed song - does Yamaha have a technical advice e-mail 
address I can write to? 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Hey Nick,
> 
> You can now get the TMC-6 for something closer to US $200 than 
$250, 
> though that probably won't make much difference to you. Its 
> advantage over the discontinuted PM-16 and the Kat MIDIkiti is its 
> inclusion of inputs that reflect the new technology, mainly 
> Roland's. It does have stereo input capability, meaning that you 
> connect Yamaha, Pintech, or Roland gum rubber pads/cymbals with a 
> body/rim or bow/edge through it. But the basic triggering 
technology 
> hasn't changed much in ten years. Though the inputs of both the PM-
> 16 and MK are all mono, they have sixteen and nine, respectively, 
> allowing you to use both single-zone and dual-zone drums and 
> cymbals. UNH is right that you have to enter new midi note numbers 
> on the DTX for every new sound that you want these units to make, 
> but that task seemed like a daunting proposition to users of the 
> DTXII module only because of a bug in it that we did not know about 
> until some of us had torn out most of our middle-aged hair. (Now we 
> routinely advise everyone with a new DTXII who has any MIDI 
> ambitions to do a factory reset before trying anything fancy.) 
> 
> The two older MIDI interfaces also have different banks (patches or 
> kits) that allow the sounds of connected triggers to change when 
> kits are changed in the DTX module, as well as other helpful 
> parameters. None of this is probably going to matter much to you; 
> neither of these units is likely to show up in Australia. But who 
> knows? I'm a long-time user of a Kat MIDIkiti, and it has met my 
> extra trigger needs quite well. I run the rim of my dual zone 
snare, 
> a splash, a heavy cymbal, a bell sound, a china, and a few other 
> odds and ends through it. Something like it may never end up being 
a 
> viable option or desire for you, but remember that if you add 
> another module to your setup, you'll also need a mixer to 
coordinate 
> them.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Hey, thanks for that info. The TMC-6 sounds like a good idea. 
$250 
> > sounds like an okay price but I assume that's U.S. currency, and 
> at 
> > the current Australia/U.S. exchange rate that means I'd be 
> spending 
> > US$400. I might be more inclined to get a second DTXpress module 
> > which, here Downunder, will cost me something like $1000. I'll 
put 
> > that on the backburner, I think!
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> <realvast@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hey Nick!  The PM-16 is an external midi device made by 
Roland.  
> > > Basically, the reason I bought it was to add an additional 16 
> > > trigger inputs to my dtxpress.  Yes, the box has a whopping 16 
> > > inputs.  I bought it off of ebay for a $100.00 and thats 
usually 
> > how 
> > > much they sell for.  You connect your extra pads to the PM-16 
> and 
> > > then connect the PM-16 to your dtxpress and you've got a larger 
> set 
> > > to play on!  The PM-16 does have some extra functions, like 
> stuff 
> > to 
> > > do with pitch and velocity but nothing to fancy for todays 
> > > standards. Like I said, I only bought it for the additional 
> > inputs.  
> > > I mentioned in another post that I am starting to see the value 
> in 
> > > buying another module.  The PM-16 does have its limitations.  
> For 
> > > example, any pads connected to the PM-16 will sustain their 
> sounds 
> > > on any kit you choose.  So if you connected a pad with a 
cowbell 
> > > sound and then switched to your user-defined jazz kit, that pad 
> > > would remain a cowbell and you would have to change its voice 
> > > through the utility menu.  As you can tell once you gain lots 
of 
> > > extra pads and then want to change them for each different kit 
> it 
> > > becomes a sort of hassle just because you can't save their 
> changes 
> > > for each different kit.  Roland makes a new external midi 
device 
> > > called the TMC-6.  This costs $250.00 and only comes with six 
> extra 
> > > inputs but it has more cool functions than the PM-16.  t Keep 
in 
> > > mind though that these boxes are in no way another module.  
> Another 
> > > member also purchased a midikiti, which is another external 
midi 

> > > device but I'm not sure if it ever worked properly.  If you 
> wanna 
> > > know any more information about it or want a pic of it let me 
> > know!  
> > > Also, if anyone else wants to add more information about the PM-
> 16 
> > > please do!!
> > > 
> > > -UN.H
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume is an 
> > > ancillary 
> > > > box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell me what 
> it 
> > > is, 
> > > > and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?

Nick,

Was your problem that kit #40 kept replacing your preferred kit? Did 
we try changing the drum kit program change number to "none" instead 
of 1 in the UT MIDI PC TABLE setting? If so, and it didn't work, let 
me know, and I'll get you some contact information later that I 
don't have handy right now (although Walt, Jade, UNH, or others may 
intervene). You can talk to one of the Daves (Jewell or Kysicki) or 
Martin.

Ed
--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Thanks, Ed. I am filing away that info for future reference!  By 
the 
> way, going back to my on-going frustration re linking a drumkit to 
a 
> self-programmed song - does Yamaha have a technical advice e-mail 
> address I can write to? 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hey Nick,
> > 
> > You can now get the TMC-6 for something closer to US $200 than 
> $250, 
> > though that probably won't make much difference to you. Its 
> > advantage over the discontinuted PM-16 and the Kat MIDIkiti is 
its 
> > inclusion of inputs that reflect the new technology, mainly 
> > Roland's. It does have stereo input capability, meaning that you 
> > connect Yamaha, Pintech, or Roland gum rubber pads/cymbals with 
a 
> > body/rim or bow/edge through it. But the basic triggering 
> technology 
> > hasn't changed much in ten years. Though the inputs of both the 
PM-
> > 16 and MK are all mono, they have sixteen and nine, 
respectively, 
> > allowing you to use both single-zone and dual-zone drums and 
> > cymbals. UNH is right that you have to enter new midi note 
numbers 
> > on the DTX for every new sound that you want these units to 
make, 
> > but that task seemed like a daunting proposition to users of the 
> > DTXII module only because of a bug in it that we did not know 
about 
> > until some of us had torn out most of our middle-aged hair. (Now 
we 
> > routinely advise everyone with a new DTXII who has any MIDI 
> > ambitions to do a factory reset before trying anything fancy.) 
> > 
> > The two older MIDI interfaces also have different banks (patches 
or 
> > kits) that allow the sounds of connected triggers to change when 
> > kits are changed in the DTX module, as well as other helpful 
> > parameters. None of this is probably going to matter much to 
you; 
> > neither of these units is likely to show up in Australia. But 
who 
> > knows? I'm a long-time user of a Kat MIDIkiti, and it has met my 
> > extra trigger needs quite well. I run the rim of my dual zone 
> snare, 
> > a splash, a heavy cymbal, a bell sound, a china, and a few other 
> > odds and ends through it. Something like it may never end up 
being 
> a 
> > viable option or desire for you, but remember that if you add 
> > another module to your setup, you'll also need a mixer to 
> coordinate 
> > them.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
<njcarroll56@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hey, thanks for that info. The TMC-6 sounds like a good idea. 
> $250 
> > > sounds like an okay price but I assume that's U.S. currency, 
and 
> > at 
> > > the current Australia/U.S. exchange rate that means I'd be 
> > spending 
> > > US$400. I might be more inclined to get a second DTXpress 
module 
> > > which, here Downunder, will cost me something like $1000. I'll 
> put 
> > > that on the backburner, I think!
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> > <realvast@s...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hey Nick!  The PM-16 is an external midi device made by 
> Roland.  
> > > > Basically, the reason I bought it was to add an additional 
16 
> > > > trigger inputs to my dtxpress.  Yes, the box has a whopping 
16 
> > > > inputs.  I bought it off of ebay for a $100.00 and thats 
> usually 
> > > how 
> > > > much they sell for.  You connect your extra pads to the PM-
16 
> > and 
> > > > then connect the PM-16 to your dtxpress and you've got a 
larger 
> > set 
> > > > to play on!  The PM-16 does have some extra functions, like 
> > stuff 
> > > to 
> > > > do with pitch and velocity but nothing to fancy for todays 
> > > > standards. Like I said, I only bought it for the additional 
> > > inputs.  
> > > > I mentioned in another post that I am starting to see the 
value 
> > in 
> > > > buying another module.  The PM-16 does have its 
limitations.  
> > For 
> > > > example, any pads connected to the PM-16 will sustain their 
> > sounds 
> > > > on any kit you choose.  So if you connected a pad with a 
> cowbell 
> > > > sound and then switched to your user-defined jazz kit, that 
pad 
> > > > would remain a cowbell and you would have to change its 
voice 
> > > > through the utility menu.  As you can tell once you gain 
lots 
> of 
> > > > extra pads and then want to change them for each different 
kit 
> > it 
> > > > becomes a sort of hassle just because you can't save their 
> > changes 
> > > > for each different kit.  Roland makes a new external midi 
> device 
> > > > called the TMC-6.  This costs $250.00 and only comes with 
six 
> > extra 
> > > > inputs but it has more cool functions than the PM-16.  t 
Keep 
> in 
> > > > mind though that these boxes are in no way another module.  
> > Another 
> > > > member also purchased a midikiti, which is another external 
> midi 
> > > > device but I'm not sure if it ever worked properly.  If you 
> > wanna 
> > > > know any more information about it or want a pic of it let 
me 
> > > know!  
> > > > Also, if anyone else wants to add more information about the 
PM-
> > 16 
> > > > please do!!
> > > > 
> > > > -UN.H
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> > <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume is 
an 
> > > > ancillary 
> > > > > box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell me 
what 

> > it 
> > > > is, 
> > > > > and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?

Nick,

File this info, too:

general applications support: 888-892-6242

Dave Jewell, Drum Product Mgr. (nice guy; became aware of this group 
back in 1999): djewell@...

Dave Ksyki, Head of Customer Support (esp. MIDI): dksyki@...; 
800-892-6242, ext. 4964

You might also encounter another technical specialist named Martin 
who has also been of great help to members of this group. See if you 
can get this kind of personal attention from Roland. Ha!

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Thanks, Ed. I am filing away that info for future reference!  By 
the 
> way, going back to my on-going frustration re linking a drumkit to 
a 
> self-programmed song - does Yamaha have a technical advice e-mail 
> address I can write to? 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Hey Nick,
> > 
> > You can now get the TMC-6 for something closer to US $200 than 
> $250, 
> > though that probably won't make much difference to you. Its 
> > advantage over the discontinuted PM-16 and the Kat MIDIkiti is 
its 
> > inclusion of inputs that reflect the new technology, mainly 
> > Roland's. It does have stereo input capability, meaning that you 
> > connect Yamaha, Pintech, or Roland gum rubber pads/cymbals with 
a 
> > body/rim or bow/edge through it. But the basic triggering 
> technology 
> > hasn't changed much in ten years. Though the inputs of both the 
PM-
> > 16 and MK are all mono, they have sixteen and nine, 
respectively, 
> > allowing you to use both single-zone and dual-zone drums and 
> > cymbals. UNH is right that you have to enter new midi note 
numbers 
> > on the DTX for every new sound that you want these units to 
make, 
> > but that task seemed like a daunting proposition to users of the 
> > DTXII module only because of a bug in it that we did not know 
about 
> > until some of us had torn out most of our middle-aged hair. (Now 
we 
> > routinely advise everyone with a new DTXII who has any MIDI 
> > ambitions to do a factory reset before trying anything fancy.) 
> > 
> > The two older MIDI interfaces also have different banks (patches 
or 
> > kits) that allow the sounds of connected triggers to change when 
> > kits are changed in the DTX module, as well as other helpful 
> > parameters. None of this is probably going to matter much to 
you; 
> > neither of these units is likely to show up in Australia. But 
who 
> > knows? I'm a long-time user of a Kat MIDIkiti, and it has met my 
> > extra trigger needs quite well. I run the rim of my dual zone 
> snare, 
> > a splash, a heavy cymbal, a bell sound, a china, and a few other 
> > odds and ends through it. Something like it may never end up 
being 
> a 
> > viable option or desire for you, but remember that if you add 
> > another module to your setup, you'll also need a mixer to 
> coordinate 
> > them.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
<njcarroll56@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hey, thanks for that info. The TMC-6 sounds like a good idea. 
> $250 
> > > sounds like an okay price but I assume that's U.S. currency, 
and 
> > at 
> > > the current Australia/U.S. exchange rate that means I'd be 
> > spending 
> > > US$400. I might be more inclined to get a second DTXpress 
module 
> > > which, here Downunder, will cost me something like $1000. I'll 
> put 
> > > that on the backburner, I think!
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> > <realvast@s...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hey Nick!  The PM-16 is an external midi device made by 
> Roland.  
> > > > Basically, the reason I bought it was to add an additional 
16 
> > > > trigger inputs to my dtxpress.  Yes, the box has a whopping 
16 
> > > > inputs.  I bought it off of ebay for a $100.00 and thats 
> usually 
> > > how 
> > > > much they sell for.  You connect your extra pads to the PM-
16 
> > and 
> > > > then connect the PM-16 to your dtxpress and you've got a 
larger 
> > set 
> > > > to play on!  The PM-16 does have some extra functions, like 
> > stuff 
> > > to 
> > > > do with pitch and velocity but nothing to fancy for todays 
> > > > standards. Like I said, I only bought it for the additional 
> > > inputs.  
> > > > I mentioned in another post that I am starting to see the 
value 
> > in 
> > > > buying another module.  The PM-16 does have its 
limitations.  
> > For 
> > > > example, any pads connected to the PM-16 will sustain their 
> > sounds 
> > > > on any kit you choose.  So if you connected a pad with a 
> cowbell 
> > > > sound and then switched to your user-defined jazz kit, that 
pad 
> > > > would remain a cowbell and you would have to change its 
voice 
> > > > through the utility menu.  As you can tell once you gain 
lots 
> of 
> > > > extra pads and then want to change them for each different 
kit 
> > it 
> > > > becomes a sort of hassle just because you can't save their 
> > changes 
> > > > for each different kit.  Roland makes a new external midi 
> device 
> > > > called the TMC-6.  This costs $250.00 and only comes with 
six 
> > extra 
> > > > inputs but it has more cool functions than the PM-16.  t 
Keep 
> in 
> > > > mind though that these boxes are in no way another module.  
> > Another 
> > > > member also purchased a midikiti, which is another external 
> midi 
> > > > device but I'm not sure if it ever worked properly.  If you 
> > wanna 
> > > > know any more information about it or want a pic of it let 
me 
> > > know!  
> > > > Also, if anyone else wants to add more information about the 
PM-
> > 16 
> > > > please do!!
> > > > 
> > > > -UN.H
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> > <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume is 
an 
> > > > ancillary 
> > > > > box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell me 
what 

> > it 
> > > > is, 
> > > > > and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?

Thanks, Ed. I'll e-mail one of those Yamaha guys. However, the e-mail 
addresses you've given here cannot be viewed in full. Are they 
@...?

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
<liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> Nick,
> 
> File this info, too:
> 
> general applications support: 888-892-6242
> 
> Dave Jewell, Drum Product Mgr. (nice guy; became aware of this 
group 
> back in 1999): djewell@y...
> 
> Dave Ksyki, Head of Customer Support (esp. MIDI): dksyki@y...; 
> 800-892-6242, ext. 4964
> 
> You might also encounter another technical specialist named Martin 
> who has also been of great help to members of this group. See if 
you 
> can get this kind of personal attention from Roland. Ha!
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Thanks, Ed. I am filing away that info for future reference!  By 
> the 
> > way, going back to my on-going frustration re linking a drumkit 
to 
> a 
> > self-programmed song - does Yamaha have a technical advice e-mail 
> > address I can write to? 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Hey Nick,
> > > 
> > > You can now get the TMC-6 for something closer to US $200 than 
> > $250, 
> > > though that probably won't make much difference to you. Its 
> > > advantage over the discontinuted PM-16 and the Kat MIDIkiti is 
> its 
> > > inclusion of inputs that reflect the new technology, mainly 
> > > Roland's. It does have stereo input capability, meaning that 
you 
> > > connect Yamaha, Pintech, or Roland gum rubber pads/cymbals with 
> a 
> > > body/rim or bow/edge through it. But the basic triggering 
> > technology 
> > > hasn't changed much in ten years. Though the inputs of both the 
> PM-
> > > 16 and MK are all mono, they have sixteen and nine, 
> respectively, 
> > > allowing you to use both single-zone and dual-zone drums and 
> > > cymbals. UNH is right that you have to enter new midi note 
> numbers 
> > > on the DTX for every new sound that you want these units to 
> make, 
> > > but that task seemed like a daunting proposition to users of 
the 
> > > DTXII module only because of a bug in it that we did not know 
> about 
> > > until some of us had torn out most of our middle-aged hair. 
(Now 
> we 
> > > routinely advise everyone with a new DTXII who has any MIDI 
> > > ambitions to do a factory reset before trying anything fancy.) 
> > > 
> > > The two older MIDI interfaces also have different banks 
(patches 
> or 
> > > kits) that allow the sounds of connected triggers to change 
when 
> > > kits are changed in the DTX module, as well as other helpful 
> > > parameters. None of this is probably going to matter much to 
> you; 
> > > neither of these units is likely to show up in Australia. But 
> who 
> > > knows? I'm a long-time user of a Kat MIDIkiti, and it has met 
my 
> > > extra trigger needs quite well. I run the rim of my dual zone 
> > snare, 
> > > a splash, a heavy cymbal, a bell sound, a china, and a few 
other 
> > > odds and ends through it. Something like it may never end up 
> being 
> > a 
> > > viable option or desire for you, but remember that if you add 
> > > another module to your setup, you'll also need a mixer to 
> > coordinate 
> > > them.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hey, thanks for that info. The TMC-6 sounds like a good idea. 
> > $250 
> > > > sounds like an okay price but I assume that's U.S. currency, 
> and 
> > > at 
> > > > the current Australia/U.S. exchange rate that means I'd be 
> > > spending 
> > > > US$400. I might be more inclined to get a second DTXpress 
> module 
> > > > which, here Downunder, will cost me something like $1000. 
I'll 
> > put 
> > > > that on the backburner, I think!
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> > > <realvast@s...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hey Nick!  The PM-16 is an external midi device made by 
> > Roland.  
> > > > > Basically, the reason I bought it was to add an additional 
> 16 
> > > > > trigger inputs to my dtxpress.  Yes, the box has a whopping 
> 16 
> > > > > inputs.  I bought it off of ebay for a $100.00 and thats 
> > usually 
> > > > how 
> > > > > much they sell for.  You connect your extra pads to the PM-
> 16 
> > > and 
> > > > > then connect the PM-16 to your dtxpress and you've got a 
> larger 
> > > set 
> > > > > to play on!  The PM-16 does have some extra functions, like 
> > > stuff 
> > > > to 
> > > > > do with pitch and velocity but nothing to fancy for todays 
> > > > > standards. Like I said, I only bought it for the additional 
> > > > inputs.  
> > > > > I mentioned in another post that I am starting to see the 
> value 
> > > in 
> > > > > buying another module.  The PM-16 does have its 
> limitations.  
> > > For 
> > > > > example, any pads connected to the PM-16 will sustain their 
> > > sounds 
> > > > > on any kit you choose.  So if you connected a pad with a 
> > cowbell 
> > > > > sound and then switched to your user-defined jazz kit, that 
> pad 
> > > > > would remain a cowbell and you would have to change its 
> voice 
> > > > > through the utility menu.  As you can tell once you gain 
> lots 
> > of 
> > > > > extra pads and then want to change them for each different 
> kit 
> > > it 
> > > > > becomes a sort of hassle just because you can't save their 
> > > changes 
> > > > > for each different kit.  Roland makes a new external midi 
> > device 
> > > > > called the TMC-6.  This costs $250.00 and only comes with 
> six 
> > > extra 
> > > > > inputs but it has more cool functions than the PM-16.  t 
> Keep 
> > in 
> > > > > mind though that these boxes are in no way another module.  
> > > Another 
> > > > > member also purchased a midikiti, which is another external 
> > midi 
> > > > > device but I'm not sure if it ever worked properly.  If you 
> > > wanna 
> > > > > know any more information about it or want a pic of it let 
> me 
> > > > know!  
> > > > > Also, if anyone else wants to add more information about 
the 

> PM-
> > > 16 
> > > > > please do!!
> > > > > 
> > > > > -UN.H
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> > > <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume is 
> an 
> > > > > ancillary 
> > > > > > box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell me 
> what 
> > > it 
> > > > > is, 
> > > > > > and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?

Hey, UNH. What sounds can you get out of your PM-16? Is there a good 
range of cymbal sounds? Better than on the DTXpress? 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Hey, thanks for that info. The TMC-6 sounds like a good idea. $250 
> sounds like an okay price but I assume that's U.S. currency, and at 
> the current Australia/U.S. exchange rate that means I'd be spending 
> US$400. I might be more inclined to get a second DTXpress module 
> which, here Downunder, will cost me something like $1000. I'll put 
> that on the backburner, I think!
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" <realvast@s...> 
> wrote:
> > Hey Nick!  The PM-16 is an external midi device made by Roland.  
> > Basically, the reason I bought it was to add an additional 16 
> > trigger inputs to my dtxpress.  Yes, the box has a whopping 16 
> > inputs.  I bought it off of ebay for a $100.00 and thats usually 
> how 
> > much they sell for.  You connect your extra pads to the PM-16 and 
> > then connect the PM-16 to your dtxpress and you've got a larger 
set 
> > to play on!  The PM-16 does have some extra functions, like stuff 
> to 
> > do with pitch and velocity but nothing to fancy for todays 
> > standards. Like I said, I only bought it for the additional 
> inputs.  
> > I mentioned in another post that I am starting to see the value 
in 
> > buying another module.  The PM-16 does have its limitations.  For 
> > example, any pads connected to the PM-16 will sustain their 
sounds 
> > on any kit you choose.  So if you connected a pad with a cowbell 
> > sound and then switched to your user-defined jazz kit, that pad 
> > would remain a cowbell and you would have to change its voice 
> > through the utility menu.  As you can tell once you gain lots of 
> > extra pads and then want to change them for each different kit it 
> > becomes a sort of hassle just because you can't save their 
changes 
> > for each different kit.  Roland makes a new external midi device 
> > called the TMC-6.  This costs $250.00 and only comes with six 
extra 
> > inputs but it has more cool functions than the PM-16.  t Keep in 
> > mind though that these boxes are in no way another module.  
Another 
> > member also purchased a midikiti, which is another external midi 
> > device but I'm not sure if it ever worked properly.  If you wanna 
> > know any more information about it or want a pic of it let me 
> know!  
> > Also, if anyone else wants to add more information about the PM-
16 
> > please do!!
> > 
> > -UN.H
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
<njcarroll56@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume is an 
> > ancillary 
> > > box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell me what 
it 
> > is, 
> > > and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?

Nick, The PM-16 is not a sound module. It is a trigger-midi interface.
It can accept signals from drum triggers (or other sources) and 
convert those signals to be input to a sound module. DTXpress users 
use it to add inputs to their modules. So the sounds it gets are the 
DTXpress sounds.
Scott 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Hey, UNH. What sounds can you get out of your PM-16? Is there a good 
> range of cymbal sounds? Better than on the DTXpress? 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Hey, thanks for that info. The TMC-6 sounds like a good idea. $250 
> > sounds like an okay price but I assume that's U.S. currency, and 
at 
> > the current Australia/U.S. exchange rate that means I'd be 
spending 
> > US$400. I might be more inclined to get a second DTXpress module 
> > which, here Downunder, will cost me something like $1000. I'll put 
> > that on the backburner, I think!
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
<realvast@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hey Nick!  The PM-16 is an external midi device made by Roland. 
 
> > > Basically, the reason I bought it was to add an additional 16 
> > > trigger inputs to my dtxpress.  Yes, the box has a whopping 16 
> > > inputs.  I bought it off of ebay for a $100.00 and thats usually 
> > how 
> > > much they sell for.  You connect your extra pads to the PM-16 
and 
> > > then connect the PM-16 to your dtxpress and you've got a larger 
> set 
> > > to play on!  The PM-16 does have some extra functions, like 
stuff 
> > to 
> > > do with pitch and velocity but nothing to fancy for todays 
> > > standards. Like I said, I only bought it for the additional 
> > inputs.  
> > > I mentioned in another post that I am starting to see the value 
> in 
> > > buying another module.  The PM-16 does have its limitations.  
For 
> > > example, any pads connected to the PM-16 will sustain their 
> sounds 
> > > on any kit you choose.  So if you connected a pad with a cowbell 
> > > sound and then switched to your user-defined jazz kit, that pad 
> > > would remain a cowbell and you would have to change its voice 
> > > through the utility menu.  As you can tell once you gain lots of 
> > > extra pads and then want to change them for each different kit 
it 
> > > becomes a sort of hassle just because you can't save their 
> changes 
> > > for each different kit.  Roland makes a new external midi device 
> > > called the TMC-6.  This costs $250.00 and only comes with six 
> extra 
> > > inputs but it has more cool functions than the PM-16.  t Keep in 
> > > mind though that these boxes are in no way another module.  
> Another 
> > > member also purchased a midikiti, which is another external midi 
> > > device but I'm not sure if it ever worked properly.  If you 
wanna 

> > > know any more information about it or want a pic of it let me 
> > know!  
> > > Also, if anyone else wants to add more information about the PM-
> 16 
> > > please do!!
> > > 
> > > -UN.H
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume is an 
> > > ancillary 
> > > > box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell me what 
> it 
> > > is, 
> > > > and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?

Nick, hairy is right.  The PM-16 is not a seperate drum brain.  It 
does have some minimum functions but they are dated compared to what 
you can buy now.  The only reason I went with the PM-16 was because 
of the number of extra inputs for the price.

-UN.H


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Hey, UNH. What sounds can you get out of your PM-16? Is there a 
good 
> range of cymbal sounds? Better than on the DTXpress? 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Hey, thanks for that info. The TMC-6 sounds like a good idea. 
$250 
> > sounds like an okay price but I assume that's U.S. currency, and 
at 
> > the current Australia/U.S. exchange rate that means I'd be 
spending 
> > US$400. I might be more inclined to get a second DTXpress module 
> > which, here Downunder, will cost me something like $1000. I'll 
put 
> > that on the backburner, I think!
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
<realvast@s...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hey Nick!  The PM-16 is an external midi device made by 
Roland.  
> > > Basically, the reason I bought it was to add an additional 16 
> > > trigger inputs to my dtxpress.  Yes, the box has a whopping 16 
> > > inputs.  I bought it off of ebay for a $100.00 and thats 
usually 
> > how 
> > > much they sell for.  You connect your extra pads to the PM-16 
and 
> > > then connect the PM-16 to your dtxpress and you've got a 
larger 
> set 
> > > to play on!  The PM-16 does have some extra functions, like 
stuff 
> > to 
> > > do with pitch and velocity but nothing to fancy for todays 
> > > standards. Like I said, I only bought it for the additional 
> > inputs.  
> > > I mentioned in another post that I am starting to see the 
value 
> in 
> > > buying another module.  The PM-16 does have its limitations.  
For 
> > > example, any pads connected to the PM-16 will sustain their 
> sounds 
> > > on any kit you choose.  So if you connected a pad with a 
cowbell 
> > > sound and then switched to your user-defined jazz kit, that 
pad 
> > > would remain a cowbell and you would have to change its voice 
> > > through the utility menu.  As you can tell once you gain lots 
of 
> > > extra pads and then want to change them for each different kit 
it 
> > > becomes a sort of hassle just because you can't save their 
> changes 
> > > for each different kit.  Roland makes a new external midi 
device 
> > > called the TMC-6.  This costs $250.00 and only comes with six 
> extra 
> > > inputs but it has more cool functions than the PM-16.  t Keep 
in 
> > > mind though that these boxes are in no way another module.  
> Another 
> > > member also purchased a midikiti, which is another external 
midi 
> > > device but I'm not sure if it ever worked properly.  If you 
wanna 
> > > know any more information about it or want a pic of it let me 
> > know!  
> > > Also, if anyone else wants to add more information about the 
PM-
> 16 
> > > please do!!
> > > 
> > > -UN.H
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume is an 
> > > ancillary 
> > > > box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell me 
what 

> it 
> > > is, 
> > > > and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?

Nick,

Right: yamaha.com

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" <njcarroll56@y...> 
wrote:
> Thanks, Ed. I'll e-mail one of those Yamaha guys. However, the e-
mail 
> addresses you've given here cannot be viewed in full. Are they 
> @...?
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Nick,
> > 
> > File this info, too:
> > 
> > general applications support: 888-892-6242
> > 
> > Dave Jewell, Drum Product Mgr. (nice guy; became aware of this 
> group 
> > back in 1999): djewell@y...
> > 
> > Dave Ksyki, Head of Customer Support (esp. MIDI): dksyki@y...; 
> > 800-892-6242, ext. 4964
> > 
> > You might also encounter another technical specialist named 
Martin 
> > who has also been of great help to members of this group. See if 
> you 
> > can get this kind of personal attention from Roland. Ha!
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
<njcarroll56@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Thanks, Ed. I am filing away that info for future reference!  
By 
> > the 
> > > way, going back to my on-going frustration re linking a 
drumkit 
> to 
> > a 
> > > self-programmed song - does Yamaha have a technical advice e-
mail 
> > > address I can write to? 
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "liberatusvirus" 
> > > <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Hey Nick,
> > > > 
> > > > You can now get the TMC-6 for something closer to US $200 
than 
> > > $250, 
> > > > though that probably won't make much difference to you. Its 
> > > > advantage over the discontinuted PM-16 and the Kat MIDIkiti 
is 
> > its 
> > > > inclusion of inputs that reflect the new technology, mainly 
> > > > Roland's. It does have stereo input capability, meaning that 
> you 
> > > > connect Yamaha, Pintech, or Roland gum rubber pads/cymbals 
with 
> > a 
> > > > body/rim or bow/edge through it. But the basic triggering 
> > > technology 
> > > > hasn't changed much in ten years. Though the inputs of both 
the 
> > PM-
> > > > 16 and MK are all mono, they have sixteen and nine, 
> > respectively, 
> > > > allowing you to use both single-zone and dual-zone drums and 
> > > > cymbals. UNH is right that you have to enter new midi note 
> > numbers 
> > > > on the DTX for every new sound that you want these units to 
> > make, 
> > > > but that task seemed like a daunting proposition to users of 
> the 
> > > > DTXII module only because of a bug in it that we did not 
know 
> > about 
> > > > until some of us had torn out most of our middle-aged hair. 
> (Now 
> > we 
> > > > routinely advise everyone with a new DTXII who has any MIDI 
> > > > ambitions to do a factory reset before trying anything 
fancy.) 
> > > > 
> > > > The two older MIDI interfaces also have different banks 
> (patches 
> > or 
> > > > kits) that allow the sounds of connected triggers to change 
> when 
> > > > kits are changed in the DTX module, as well as other helpful 
> > > > parameters. None of this is probably going to matter much to 
> > you; 
> > > > neither of these units is likely to show up in Australia. 
But 
> > who 
> > > > knows? I'm a long-time user of a Kat MIDIkiti, and it has 
met 
> my 
> > > > extra trigger needs quite well. I run the rim of my dual 
zone 
> > > snare, 
> > > > a splash, a heavy cymbal, a bell sound, a china, and a few 
> other 
> > > > odds and ends through it. Something like it may never end up 
> > being 
> > > a 
> > > > viable option or desire for you, but remember that if you 
add 
> > > > another module to your setup, you'll also need a mixer to 
> > > coordinate 
> > > > them.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> > <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hey, thanks for that info. The TMC-6 sounds like a good 
idea. 
> > > $250 
> > > > > sounds like an okay price but I assume that's U.S. 
currency, 
> > and 
> > > > at 
> > > > > the current Australia/U.S. exchange rate that means I'd be 
> > > > spending 
> > > > > US$400. I might be more inclined to get a second DTXpress 
> > module 
> > > > > which, here Downunder, will cost me something like $1000. 
> I'll 
> > > put 
> > > > > that on the backburner, I think!
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "underneathheaven" 
> > > > <realvast@s...> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hey Nick!  The PM-16 is an external midi device made by 
> > > Roland.  
> > > > > > Basically, the reason I bought it was to add an 
additional 
> > 16 
> > > > > > trigger inputs to my dtxpress.  Yes, the box has a 
whopping 
> > 16 
> > > > > > inputs.  I bought it off of ebay for a $100.00 and thats 
> > > usually 
> > > > > how 
> > > > > > much they sell for.  You connect your extra pads to the 
PM-
> > 16 
> > > > and 
> > > > > > then connect the PM-16 to your dtxpress and you've got a 
> > larger 
> > > > set 
> > > > > > to play on!  The PM-16 does have some extra functions, 
like 
> > > > stuff 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > > do with pitch and velocity but nothing to fancy for 
todays 
> > > > > > standards. Like I said, I only bought it for the 
additional 
> > > > > inputs.  
> > > > > > I mentioned in another post that I am starting to see 
the 
> > value 
> > > > in 
> > > > > > buying another module.  The PM-16 does have its 
> > limitations.  
> > > > For 
> > > > > > example, any pads connected to the PM-16 will sustain 
their 
> > > > sounds 
> > > > > > on any kit you choose.  So if you connected a pad with a 
> > > cowbell 
> > > > > > sound and then switched to your user-defined jazz kit, 
that 
> > pad 
> > > > > > would remain a cowbell and you would have to change its 
> > voice 
> > > > > > through the utility menu.  As you can tell once you gain 
> > lots 
> > > of 
> > > > > > extra pads and then want to change them for each 
different 
> > kit 
> > > > it 
> > > > > > becomes a sort of hassle just because you can't save 
their 
> > > > changes 
> > > > > > for each different kit.  Roland makes a new external 
midi 
> > > device 
> > > > > > called the TMC-6.  This costs $250.00 and only comes 
with 
> > six 
> > > > extra 
> > > > > > inputs but it has more cool functions than the PM-16.  t 
> > Keep 
> > > in 
> > > > > > mind though that these boxes are in no way another 
module.  
> > > > Another 
> > > > > > member also purchased a midikiti, which is another 
external 
> > > midi 
> > > > > > device but I'm not sure if it ever worked properly.  If 
you 
> > > > wanna 
> > > > > > know any more information about it or want a pic of it 
let 
> > me 
> > > > > know!  
> > > > > > Also, if anyone else wants to add more information about 
> the 
> > PM-
> > > > 16 
> > > > > > please do!!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -UN.H
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Nick Carroll" 
> > > > <njcarroll56@y...> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey, UN.H!  I note you've got a PM-16, which I assume 
is 
> > an 
> > > > > > ancillary 
> > > > > > > box that works with the DTXpress brain?  Can you tell 
me 

> > what 
> > > > it 
> > > > > > is, 
> > > > > > > and what it does, exactly? It is a Yamaha product?