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Yamaha BP80 trigger problem

Yamaha BP80 trigger problem

2001-03-13 by Dan Mowczan

Anyone get a BP80 to put on their 9/10 input?  Mine arrived today and I'm
having a terrible time with it.

In order to make the two pads trigger independently at all, I have to use a
SpecRj level of 9 (the highest).  (9 rejecting 10 and 10 rejecting 9, of
course).  A level of 8 is basically completely ineffective.  I have set both
types to BP as well.

Even in this state though, the output levels from each piezo are so similar,
about one in twenty hits (especially at low to moderate volume levels), the
wrong trigger fires.

Anyone had any luck with this?  If I can't do anything, I'd rather go with
alternative equipment...

-Dan

-- 
Dan Mowczan, pinball@...

Re: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem

2001-03-13 by Colin Lewis

Sorry if this is obvious, but, are you using a stereo cable?
Is it possible that the there is a short between the tip and ring
connections? Check also to see if both plugs are in all the way.
Actually, I have one guitar amp jack that won't work if you push
the plug in _too_ far.

-Colin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Mowczan" <pinball@...>
To: <dtxpress@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 3:26 PM
Subject: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem


> Anyone get a BP80 to put on their 9/10 input?  Mine arrived today and I'm
> having a terrible time with it.
>
> In order to make the two pads trigger independently at all, I have to use
a
> SpecRj level of 9 (the highest).  (9 rejecting 10 and 10 rejecting 9, of
> course).  A level of 8 is basically completely ineffective.  I have set
both
> types to BP as well.
>
> Even in this state though, the output levels from each piezo are so
similar,
> about one in twenty hits (especially at low to moderate volume levels),
the
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> wrong trigger fires.
>
> Anyone had any luck with this?  If I can't do anything, I'd rather go with
> alternative equipment...
>
> -Dan
>
> --
> Dan Mowczan, pinball@...
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
>

Re: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem

2001-03-13 by Dan Mowczan

Yeah, played with the cable seating, but the result is identical.  It is the
stereo cable included with the BP80.  Even at factory rejection settings for
9&10 (worthless, by the way), I do get independent triggers with extremely
low velocity hits on the two zones of the bar pad.

-Dan

-- 
Dan Mowczan, pinball@...
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> From: "Colin Lewis" <colin@...>
> Reply-To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:37:39 -0800
> To: <DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem
> 
> Sorry if this is obvious, but, are you using a stereo cable?
> Is it possible that the there is a short between the tip and ring
> connections? Check also to see if both plugs are in all the way.
> Actually, I have one guitar amp jack that won't work if you push
> the plug in _too_ far.
> 
> -Colin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Mowczan" <pinball@...>
> To: <dtxpress@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 3:26 PM
> Subject: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem
> 
> 
>> Anyone get a BP80 to put on their 9/10 input?  Mine arrived today and I'm
>> having a terrible time with it.
>> 
>> In order to make the two pads trigger independently at all, I have to use
> a
>> SpecRj level of 9 (the highest).  (9 rejecting 10 and 10 rejecting 9, of
>> course).  A level of 8 is basically completely ineffective.  I have set
> both
>> types to BP as well.
>> 
>> Even in this state though, the output levels from each piezo are so
> similar,
>> about one in twenty hits (especially at low to moderate volume levels),
> the
>> wrong trigger fires.
>> 
>> Anyone had any luck with this?  If I can't do anything, I'd rather go with
>> alternative equipment...
>> 
>> -Dan
>> 
>> --
>> Dan Mowczan, pinball@...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Community email addresses:
>> Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
>> Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
>> Unsubscribe:  DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>> List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
>> 
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>> http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
>> 
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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>

RE: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem

2001-03-14 by Day, Ian

I had a similar problem running a stereo lead from two pads into 9 /10 via a
splitter.

The 'Y' splitter was faulty. try another cable ...

Ian Day
Project Manager
Kronos Systems (UK) 
* Email: iday@...
*Tel: +44 (0)1302 381501
* Fax: +44 (0)1302 328883
* GE House, Ten Pound Walk, Doncaster UK, DN4 5HX.  
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Mowczan [mailto:pinball@...]
Sent: 13 March 2001 23:43
To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem


Yeah, played with the cable seating, but the result is identical.  It is the
stereo cable included with the BP80.  Even at factory rejection settings for
9&10 (worthless, by the way), I do get independent triggers with extremely
low velocity hits on the two zones of the bar pad.

-Dan

-- 
Dan Mowczan, pinball@...

> From: "Colin Lewis" <colin@...>
> Reply-To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:37:39 -0800
> To: <DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem
> 
> Sorry if this is obvious, but, are you using a stereo cable?
> Is it possible that the there is a short between the tip and ring
> connections? Check also to see if both plugs are in all the way.
> Actually, I have one guitar amp jack that won't work if you push
> the plug in _too_ far.
> 
> -Colin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Mowczan" <pinball@...>
> To: <dtxpress@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 3:26 PM
> Subject: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem
> 
> 
>> Anyone get a BP80 to put on their 9/10 input?  Mine arrived today and I'm
>> having a terrible time with it.
>> 
>> In order to make the two pads trigger independently at all, I have to use
> a
>> SpecRj level of 9 (the highest).  (9 rejecting 10 and 10 rejecting 9, of
>> course).  A level of 8 is basically completely ineffective.  I have set
> both
>> types to BP as well.
>> 
>> Even in this state though, the output levels from each piezo are so
> similar,
>> about one in twenty hits (especially at low to moderate volume levels),
> the
>> wrong trigger fires.
>> 
>> Anyone had any luck with this?  If I can't do anything, I'd rather go
with
>> alternative equipment...
>> 
>> -Dan
>> 
>> --
>> Dan Mowczan, pinball@...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Community email addresses:
>> Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
>> Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
>> Unsubscribe:  DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>> List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
>> 
>> Shortcut URL to this page:
>> http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
>> 
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Community email addresses:
> Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
> Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
> Unsubscribe:  DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com
> List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
> 
> Shortcut URL to this page:
> http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
> 



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Re: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem

2001-03-14 by Dan Mowczan

Thanks for your help everyone, looks like this was it -- swapped out the HH
cable for the one included with the BP80, and it works great now.  Seems
like the cable isn't bad, but has some sort of bleed between the leads that
carry the two piezo trigger signals of the BP80.  I'll just need a new cable
and everything should be OK.

Thanks,

-Dan

-- 
Dan Mowczan, pinball@...
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> From: "Day, Ian" <ianday@...>
> Reply-To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 04:40:04 -0500
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem
> 
> I had a similar problem running a stereo lead from two pads into 9 /10 via a
> splitter.
> 
> The 'Y' splitter was faulty. try another cable ...
> 
> Ian Day
> Project Manager
> Kronos Systems (UK)
> * Email: iday@...
> *Tel: +44 (0)1302 381501
> * Fax: +44 (0)1302 328883
> * GE House, Ten Pound Walk, Doncaster UK, DN4 5HX.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Mowczan [mailto:pinball@...]
> Sent: 13 March 2001 23:43
> To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem
> 
> 
> Yeah, played with the cable seating, but the result is identical.  It is the
> stereo cable included with the BP80.  Even at factory rejection settings for
> 9&10 (worthless, by the way), I do get independent triggers with extremely
> low velocity hits on the two zones of the bar pad.
> 
> -Dan
> 
> -- 
> Dan Mowczan, pinball@...
> 
>> From: "Colin Lewis" <colin@...>
>> Reply-To: DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:37:39 -0800
>> To: <DTXpress@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem
>> 
>> Sorry if this is obvious, but, are you using a stereo cable?
>> Is it possible that the there is a short between the tip and ring
>> connections? Check also to see if both plugs are in all the way.
>> Actually, I have one guitar amp jack that won't work if you push
>> the plug in _too_ far.
>> 
>> -Colin
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan Mowczan" <pinball@...>
>> To: <dtxpress@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 3:26 PM
>> Subject: [DTXpress] Yamaha BP80 trigger problem
>> 
>> 
>>> Anyone get a BP80 to put on their 9/10 input?  Mine arrived today and I'm
>>> having a terrible time with it.
>>> 
>>> In order to make the two pads trigger independently at all, I have to use
>> a
>>> SpecRj level of 9 (the highest).  (9 rejecting 10 and 10 rejecting 9, of
>>> course).  A level of 8 is basically completely ineffective.  I have set
>> both
>>> types to BP as well.
>>> 
>>> Even in this state though, the output levels from each piezo are so
>> similar,
>>> about one in twenty hits (especially at low to moderate volume levels),
>> the
>>> wrong trigger fires.
>>> 
>>> Anyone had any luck with this?  If I can't do anything, I'd rather go
> with
>>> alternative equipment...
>>> 
>>> -Dan
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Dan Mowczan, pinball@...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Community email addresses:
>>> Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
>>> Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
>>> Unsubscribe:  DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>>> List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
>>> 
>>> Shortcut URL to this page:
>>> http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
>>> 
>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Community email addresses:
>> Post message: DTXpress@onelist.com
>> Subscribe:    DTXpress-subscribe@onelist.com
>> Unsubscribe:  DTXpress-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>> List owner:   DTXpress-owner@onelist.com
>> 
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>> http://www.onelist.com/community/DTXpress
>> 
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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