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From: "jimhayes361" <jimhayes@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 8:00 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] The Edge, was FS-N part II


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
(snip)

> Yes, I read that link to Phil Askeys DPreview site that the Japenese
> gentlemen wrote (somewhere back a day or two posted on this list), and
>  it was tantalizing. He was saying something about the ink Epson was
> making for the printer being:  Pigment not dye, individully
> changeable (7 discrete carts), and most mysterious, he alluded to
> something like Epson was making optional carts to switch out for the
> black/grey/(?) color carts in some positions, to allow B&W....if I
> interpret his comments right.
> Wonderful if true. I can't believe after all this that Epson marketing
> just had their collective I.Q. raised<g>.

The printer is for real and there is supposed to be a B&W solution. I was
told it is a combination of the black ink, the gray ink, the other color
inks and a better software driver. I believe the intent is to beat or
improve the color crossover problems of printing B&W with colot inksets. We
will see. If it works it will be odd to not be operation out here on the
fringes of alternate technology.
>
> 3rd parties will certainly take advantage of that 7th slot. Wonder if
> Epson will give up on upping the ante on chipping carts, and truly
> follow if you can't beat em join em.

First they will have to reverse engineer the inevitable chip!! Epson is not
backing down on this and it seems likely the new models will have different
and harder to clone chips.
>
> I was frankly elated by those two bits of news and one rumor: the
> Epson 7 inker and Paul's new Neutral FS and hints of expanded VM,
> maybe with Colorbyte?
>
> Choices, choices.

I know! Which way to jump next?

Martin Wesley

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nij 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 11:14 PM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] The Edge, was FS-N part II




  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: jimhayes361 [mailto:jimhayes@...]
  >
  > Yes, I read that link to Phil Askeys DPreview site that the Japenese
  > gentlemen wrote (somewhere back a day or two posted on this list), and
  >  it was tantalizing. He was saying something about the ink Epson was
  > making for the printer being:  Pigment not dye, individully
  > changeable (7 discrete carts), and most mysterious, he alluded to
  > something like Epson was making optional carts to switch out for the
  > black/grey/(?) color carts in some positions, to allow B&W....if I
  > interpret his comments right.
  > Wonderful if true. I can't believe after all this that Epson marketing
  > just had their collective I.Q. raised<g>.
  >
  > 3rd parties will certainly take advantage of that 7th slot. Wonder if
  > Epson will give up on upping the ante on chipping carts, and truely
  > follow if you can't beat em join em.

  Jim,

  I really don't know... and I don't normally like to get caught up in such
  speculation - these things get found out a few weeks or months After a
  product is released, not before (so often, those pre-release spec sheets say
  ... subject to change... on them :(

  HOWEVER, If Epson are releasing a printer with 7 separate carts, we have to
  assume they are following the C80 - every darn cart has a chip model.

  Secondly, they will use an 'alternative' 7th cart as an excuse to introduce
  a fourth or fifth kind of chip... am I correct in thinking we have chips
  that report 'dye ink' (870, 1270, 1280 etc), 'pigment ink' (2000P), dye ink
  (810), durabrite ink (C80)<big question mark on this>... and so I would
  asume we'll soon have '7th colour yellow durabrite' '7th colour grey
  durabrite' chips, and so on.

  Perhaps I am being overly cynical. But I still can't quite figure out the
  'it's cheaper if you have lots of carts' sales-pitch (supposedly on the
  basis of less wasted ink) when the cart-sets cost twice as much as the
  previous two we had to buy. Factor in that most business graphics will use
  four-colour printers, and use primary-type colours for graphics (thus
  balancing out the inks consumed)... and 'photo printers' will mostly be used
  for photos... thus balancing out the ink usage, and I simply can't see how
  this could be cost effective for the consumer.  BUT... I ain't done the
  maths!

  Take care, have a nice Sunday everyone!

  nij



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> Nij,
>
> I received info from a very reliable source that Epson will be offering a grayscale inkset for their new printers. I was given this info yesterday morning. I know nothing else but look at it as another potential player.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael J. Kravit
> Architect/Photographer
> Boca Raton, Florida
> www.kravit.net
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Nij
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 11:14 PM
>   Subject: RE: [Digital BW] The Edge, was FS-N part II
>
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: jimhayes361 [mailto:jimhayes@...]
>   >
>   > Yes, I read that link to Phil Askeys DPreview site that the Japenese
>   > gentlemen wrote (somewhere back a day or two posted on this list), and
>   >  it was tantalizing. He was saying something about the ink Epson was
>   > making for the printer being:  Pigment not dye, individully
>   > changeable (7 discrete carts), and most mysterious, he alluded to
>   > something like Epson was making optional carts to switch out for the
>   > black/grey/(?) color carts in some positions, to allow B&W....if I
>   > interpret his comments right.
>   > Wonderful if true. I can't believe after all this that Epson marketing
>   > just had their collective I.Q. raised<g>.
>   >
>   > 3rd parties will certainly take advantage of that 7th slot. Wonder if
>   > Epson will give up on upping the ante on chipping carts, and truely
>   > follow if you can't beat em join em.
>
>   Jim,
>
>   I really don't know... and I don't normally like to get caught up in such
>   speculation - these things get found out a few weeks or months After a
>   product is released, not before (so often, those pre-release spec sheets say
>   ... subject to change... on them :(
>
>   HOWEVER, If Epson are releasing a printer with 7 separate carts, we have to
>   assume they are following the C80 - every darn cart has a chip model.
>
>   Secondly, they will use an 'alternative' 7th cart as an excuse to introduce
>   a fourth or fifth kind of chip... am I correct in thinking we have chips
>   that report 'dye ink' (870, 1270, 1280 etc), 'pigment ink' (2000P), dye ink
>   (810), durabrite ink (C80)<big question mark on this>... and so I would
>   asume we'll soon have '7th colour yellow durabrite' '7th colour grey
>   durabrite' chips, and so on.
>
>   Perhaps I am being overly cynical. But I still can't quite figure out the
>   'it's cheaper if you have lots of carts' sales-pitch (supposedly on the
>   basis of less wasted ink) when the cart-sets cost twice as much as the
>   previous two we had to buy. Factor in that most business graphics will use
>   four-colour printers, and use primary-type colours for graphics (thus
>   balancing out the inks consumed)... and 'photo printers' will mostly be used
>   for photos... thus balancing out the ink usage, and I simply can't see how
>   this could be cost effective for the consumer.  BUT... I ain't done the
>   maths!
>
>   Take care, have a nice Sunday everyone!
>
>   nij
>
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