Digital BW, The Print

Charley,

While you wait for your MIS inks, you should test the printer with the OEM
Epson color dyes.  Some very knowledgeable people claim that the Epson
printers ship new with a solution in the heads that needs to be washed out
with the Epson dyes.  Those dyes appear to have an excellent solvent in
them.  Also, if there is a problem with banding, etc., the Epson warranty
repair people will want to see the evidence with their inks.  If you show
them a quad, they'll probably blame the inks.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: byronbulb [mailto:byronbulb@...]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:51 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] So near but yet so frustrating!

The shipping system is just teasing me -

I ordered a 1280 and some MIS VM inks last week, the printer arrived
today, but the inks aren't expected for a few days still - so I have
this lovely useless printer sitting here taunting me, sigh :/

-Charley

On 3/18/02 1:28 PM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

> Also, if there is a problem with banding, etc., the Epson warranty
> repair people will want to see the evidence with their inks.  If you show
> them a quad, they'll probably blame the inks.


Paul,

I've returned at least 4 printers in the last year to epson for banding
issues and they NEVER asked me for proof beyond my saying that it was
occurring...

Lawrence

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lsmith@...
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Thanks Paul, I'll do that! :)

Gives me something to do with the printer while waiting for the new
inks too, which is great.

Will I have problems with the MIS inks if the heads are loaded up with
Epson's dyes?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Charley,
> 
> While you wait for your MIS inks, you should test the printer with
the OEM
> Epson color dyes.  Some very knowledgeable people claim that the Epson
> printers ship new with a solution in the heads that needs to be
washed out
> with the Epson dyes.  Those dyes appear to have an excellent solvent in
> them.  Also, if there is a problem with banding, etc., the Epson
warranty
> repair people will want to see the evidence with their inks.  If you
show

> them a quad, they'll probably blame the inks.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>

you wont have any problem, the MIS inks (VM, and FS) will load ontop of the
dye inks without problems.

.. just run a cleaning cycle -- printout one of their purge patterns, and
you should be ready to go -- the 1280 holds very little ink in the nozzle

.. some times i have a runa  few cleaning cyles --

-- ricardo

----- Original Message -----
From: "byronbulb" <byronbulb@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] So near but yet so frustrating!


> Thanks Paul, I'll do that! :)
>
> Gives me something to do with the printer while waiting for the new
> inks too, which is great.
>
> Will I have problems with the MIS inks if the heads are loaded up with
> Epson's dyes?
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Charley,
> >
> > While you wait for your MIS inks, you should test the printer with
> the OEM
> > Epson color dyes.  Some very knowledgeable people claim that the Epson
> > printers ship new with a solution in the heads that needs to be
> washed out
> > with the Epson dyes.  Those dyes appear to have an excellent solvent in
> > them.  Also, if there is a problem with banding, etc., the Epson
> warranty
> > repair people will want to see the evidence with their inks.  If you
> show
> > them a quad, they'll probably blame the inks.
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> >
>
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Lawrence Smith <lsmith@l...> 
wrote:
> On 3/18/02 1:28 PM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> 
> > Also, if there is a problem with banding, etc., the Epson warranty
> > repair people will want to see the evidence with their inks.  If 
you show
> > them a quad, they'll probably blame the inks.
> 
> 
> Paul,
> 
> I've returned at least 4 printers in the last year to epson for 
banding
> issues and they NEVER asked me for proof beyond my saying that it 
was
> occurring...
> 
> Lawrence
> 

Regardless, I have seen with my own eyes numerous times the 
restoritive powers of Epson carts. They truely do flush out clogs left 
by quads, etc. I consider putting Epson carts in first mandatory, both 
to clean out any lubricant the head shipped with AND to prime the head 
properly, eliminating air bubbles, so that the aftermarket inks can 
follow.

You're not losing much, remember that unlike the 1160 printer and all 
aftermarket 1280 carts, the Epson 1280 carts have poppet valves, which 
immediately seal the ports upon removal. You can use the Epson carts 
over and over, up to about six months from when you pull the yellow 
tab off.
Jim H.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "byronbulb" <byronbulb@y...> 
wrote:
> Thanks Paul, I'll do that! :)
> 
> Gives me something to do with the printer while waiting for the new
> inks too, which is great.
> 
> Will I have problems with the MIS inks if the heads are loaded up 
with
> Epson's dyes?
> 

I notice a recurring problem that needs care when I switch from MIS VM 
 to Epson inks and back, but it is managable. I didn't have it happen 
with the 1160 for some reason, but with the 1280. This is only my own 
experience, I would just ask you at least watch for "blobbing"- it 
will save you a time-consuming printer bed cleaning:

After switching either way it is very wise for me to not run a print 
or even a nozzle check. Put heavy paper in the printer, by which I 
mean something at least as thick as Heavyweight matte, or if you have 
Epson archival matte that you can burn up, that's fine too. No "plain 
paper".

No nozzle check- do two cleanings, cancel out of nozzle check. After 
the two cleanings, print the MIS purge6 pattern in draft mode 360 dpi) 
on the paper. Keep the printer cover up and watch for blobs of ink at 
the left side of paper- if you see it, cancel print and run another 
cleaning cycle.

After this, do a purge print at 1440 dpi on the heavy paper and watch 
for ink blobs again. If they start to form cancel print and do one or 
two cleanings, this time I think it might be okay to do a nozzle check 
in-between, as this will make the 2nd cleaning a little more intense. 
But if you ever did get blobbing, it should be disapearing by now, if 
it hasn't right at the beginning. I wouldn't do any more cleanings 
after this either, that's plenty.

Well, that's based on my own limited experience with switching inks. 
You may not get the problem. It really is easier to clear than you 
would think though. I sometimes wonder if it is just my 1280 that does 
this.
Jim H.

Lawrence wrote:

>I've returned at least 4 printers in the last year to epson for banding
>issues and they NEVER asked me for proof beyond my saying that it was
>occurring...

That's great.  Maybe I'm out of date.  My informatio about the banding was
from the old discusions of such on the Peizo list.

Do you have any opinion on whether the use of the Epson dyes to flush out
the fluid that Epson allegedly uses in the new printers is nonetheless a
wise move?

Charley wrote:

>Will I have problems with the MIS inks if the heads are loaded up with
>Epson's dyes?

No, they are compatible.

Paul

From: "jimhayes361" <jimhayes@...>

> I notice a recurring problem that needs care when I switch from MIS VM
>  to Epson inks and back, but it is managable. I didn't have it happen
> with the 1160 for some reason, but with the 1280. This is only my own
> experience, I would just ask you at least watch for "blobbing"- it
> will save you a time-consuming printer bed cleaning:

Jim,

Try this next time you see "blobs of ink."

http://home.att.net/~arwomack01/#blobsofink

It's basically a build up of ink, paper-dust, lint, cat hair, and whatever
else that builds up on the bottom of the print head and causes these blobs
to fall on your paper.  This method seems to clean the print head much
better than the rubber squegee, which is activated during a cleaning cycle.
You'll be surprised by all the gunk that comes off on to the paper towel the
first time you try this.


James Hill
Freelance Photographer
Mebane, NC
jmhphoto@...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Hill James" <jmhphoto@m...> 
wrote:
> From: "jimhayes361" <jimhayes@j...>
> 
> > I notice a recurring problem that needs care when I switch from 
MIS VM
> >  to Epson inks and back, but it is managable. I didn't have it 
happen
> > with the 1160 for some reason, but with the 1280. This is only my 
own
> > experience, I would just ask you at least watch for "blobbing"- it
> > will save you a time-consuming printer bed cleaning:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Try this next time you see "blobs of ink."
> 
> http://home.att.net/~arwomack01/#blobsofink
> 
> It's basically a build up of ink, paper-dust, lint, cat hair, and 
whatever
> else that builds up on the bottom of the print head and causes these 
blobs
> to fall on your paper.  This method seems to clean the print head 
much
> better than the rubber squegee, which is activated during a cleaning 
cycle.
> You'll be surprised by all the gunk that comes off on to the paper 
towel the
> first time you try this.
> 
> 
> James Hill
> Freelance Photographer
> Mebane, NC
> jmhphoto@m...

James,

Thank you for the help. I am already aware of the procedure and have 
used it many times on 1160's when they needed to be cured of blobbing 
or nozzle lines jumping up or down. Instead of using paper towels I 
use Photo-Wipes (less lint)and I use foam swabs to clean up afterwards 
instead of q-tips (also less lint). Thank you anyway. 

However, I was refferring to a different problem, one I have observed 
in a BRAND new 1280 printer. This only occurs when inks are switched 
and goes away after the old ink is fully expunged by 1-4 cleaning 
cycles from the 1280 printhead. Then it does not reocuur. The blobbing 
pattern  due to dirty heads you mention is more randomized in where 
the blobs are put down; the blobs associated with my problem are 
highly localized to left margin of paper, and easy to make go away.
Jim H.