Digital BW, The Print

They have. You'd just have to refill virgin 7000 cartridges with the MIS inks.

Jerry



sherer@... wrote:

> Perhaps someone has some suggestions for my question:
>
> I have been printing with an Epson 7000, piezo/bw inks, and the Cone
> RIP. I'm very pleased with the results but not with the cost of the
> Cone inks. Has anyone found a subsitute inkset that will closely match
> this combination? Unfortunately, MIS has not yet come out with an
> inkset for 6 color printers that match the characteristics of piezo
> inks.
>
> Many thanks,
> Stan
>
>
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Jerry since the Pro 24 Piezo machine reportedly only uses 4 tones,With piezo, 
Where on the MIS web site does it tell us 7000 users what inks to put where? 
I see nothing about Hextones that implies they will work with the pro24 Piezo 
Rip driver.
I see a varible hextone mix and the old standard hextone or original set. Its 
well known that the original Hextones won't work with the Piezo driver as the 
order of inks is different.
Not to make a dig on Cone and company, But the 7000 users are referrring to 
thier software as a rip and all the other printers its a plug in. So 1,500 
for the rip and a 150 for the driver plugin? Is there a differance other than 
what they call it?
Steve M

n a message dated 08/23/2001 4:50:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
jerryolson@... writes:

<< They have. You'd just have to refill virgin 7000 cartridges with the MIS 
inks.
 
 Jerry
  >>

Steve, MIS makes a VM variable toned 4 color inkset too. I have a friend who just got paul's curves for it, so he can use it on his 1160.
But doesn't the 7000 also use 6 tones? Aren't the Photo Cyan and the Photo Magenta right next to the regular magenta and cyan cartridges,
only half as thick? That was my understanding.

I think Cone either doesn't use  6 colors for his 7000 piezo printers, or that 2 are the same tone as 2 others, so there's only 4 actual
tones used. (he couldn't run 2 colors without ink, orl he'd ruin the printheads, no?)

I'd just call Bob Zeiss at the MIS 800 number and ask him what to do in your case.

Not only 1500 for the software and a set of inks, but you need an IBM clone to even use the 7000 printer with his setup. It won't work on a
Mac. Since most graphic houses are mac, I don't get this at all.


jerry

> Jerry since the Pro 24 Piezo machine reportedly only uses 4 tones,With piezo,
> Where on the MIS web site does it tell us 7000 users what inks to put where?
> I see nothing about Hextones that implies they will work with the pro24 Piezo
> Rip driver.
> I see a varible hextone mix and the old standard hextone or original set. Its
> well known that the original Hextones won't work with the Piezo driver as the
> order of inks is different.
> Not to make a dig on Cone and company, But the 7000 users are referrring to
> thier software as a rip and all the other printers its a plug in. So 1,500
> for the rip and a 150 for the driver plugin? Is there a differance other than
> what they call it?
> Steve M
>
> n a message dated 08/23/2001 4:50:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jerryolson@... writes:
>
> << They have. You'd just have to refill virgin 7000 cartridges with the MIS
> inks.
>
>  Jerry
>   >>
>
>
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I spoke with Bob at MIS about an inkset that would match the piezo/bw 
for the 7000. They have not developed that as yet (and may not at 
all). He referred me to Paul Roark, who, as we know, is developing a 
system that will work for the 7000 using MIS inks and the Epson 
driver. Paul strongly advises against using the MIS inks with the Cone 
driver because one of the inks is color and the resulting prints will 
be very strange looking. So, I am still searching for an alternative 
inkset that will work with the Cone driver rather than the expensive 
Cone inks. 

Thanks,
Stan

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sdmey4@a... wrote:
> Jerry since the Pro 24 Piezo machine reportedly only uses 4 
tones,With piezo, 
> Where on the MIS web site does it tell us 7000 users what inks to 
put where? 
> I see nothing about Hextones that implies they will work with the 
pro24 Piezo 
> Rip driver.
> I see a varible hextone mix and the old standard hextone or original 
set. Its 
> well known that the original Hextones won't work with the Piezo 
driver as the 
> order of inks is different.
> Not to make a dig on Cone and company, But the 7000 users are 
referrring to 
> thier software as a rip and all the other printers its a plug in. So 
1,500 
> for the rip and a 150 for the driver plugin? Is there a differance 
other than 
> what they call it?
> Steve M
> 
> n a message dated 08/23/2001 4:50:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> jerryolson@r... writes:
> 
> << They have. You'd just have to refill virgin 7000 cartridges with 
the MIS 

> inks.
>  
>  Jerry
>   >>

Yes!

Check www.piezography.com for details. But essentially, the RIP is 8 or
_16bit_ - is stand-alone (PC ONLY - a source of some contention for
Mac-shops), opens loads of file formats (no great deal, but). Prints on the
7000 plus most previously supported printers... as opposed to plugin which
does not print on 7000 that I know of. 7000 prints LUVERLY! Key benefit for
editioning prints is that it allows for some degree of automatic positioning
on the page / roll and image rescaling on-the-fly... and image repetition
across and down the page / roll. Plus pretty cool paper-handling... and I
haven't got inky fingers from it yet :)

Jon's Piezo BW print-exchange prints were printed on the 7000 with one test
print, one button click, out pop x prints. Then cut. Easy peasy!

I'd love some additional functions to help on the sample print size - like
easily print two DIFFERENT prints side by side - but I'm not sure but I
think some other RIPS don't do this either, but I'm not really familiar.

By the way, the PC I'm writing this on has the Pro24 app sitting there for
the last three days or more. Each time I've been printing, I don't have the
print removed from the system, I just set it's print count required to 0.
next time I want to print it, I'll change that number and click print. I
couldn't do that with Photoshop due to memory requirements and the hundreds
of other apps I run. Just a personal thought.

nij

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sdmey4@... [mailto:sdmey4@...]
> Sent: 24 August 2001 01:09
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] inks for the 7000 & Cone RIP
>
>
> Not to make a dig on Cone and company, But the 7000 users are
> referrring to
> thier software as a rip and all the other printers its a plug in.
> So 1,500
> for the rip and a 150 for the driver plugin? Is there a
> differance other than
> what they call it?
> Steve M
>
> n a message dated 08/23/2001 4:50:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jerryolson@... writes:
>
> << They have. You'd just have to refill virgin 7000 cartridges
> with the MIS
> inks.
>
>  Jerry
>   >>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
>
>
>
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>
>

In a message dated 08/23/2001 7:40:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
nigel@... writes:

<< By the way, the PC I'm writing this on has the Pro24 app sitting there for
 the last three days or more. Each time I've been printing, I don't have the
 print removed from the system, I just set it's print count required to 0.
 next time I want to print it, I'll change that number and click print. I
 couldn't do that with Photoshop due to memory requirements and the hundreds
 of other apps I run. Just a personal thought.
 
 nij >>
Is this like a cue? Could I have all my popular images in there and whenever 
I needed one , just go over there and add the # of copies to the list and it 
print? Could I have 20-30  different images there? Humm sounds like I could 
print them faster than I could sell them ;) 
Thanks, nij, you and Tyler straightened me out. Its sound very cool indeed. I 
thought a RIp was just software to individually controll the inks.
Steve M.

I believe a queue is what it is. You can set the system to 'Cut' files from
the queue once printed, or set it not to do that, as I am suggesting. You
then need to set count to 0 else it'll reprint next time you press Go. My
understanding is that it stores details about the print file, resolution /
margins / paper size and potentially a 'large thumbnail' - so I guess these
would be you rlimiting factors.

I believe that each print could also be associated with it's own (rather
than default) profile that would help lots too. But mostly, there has to be
quite some advanatage to using roll paper with this set-up.

Nij

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sdmey4@... [mailto:sdmey4@...]
>  nij >>
> Is this like a cue? Could I have all my popular images in there
> and whenever
> I needed one , just go over there and add the # of copies to the
> list and it
> print? Could I have 20-30  different images there? Humm sounds
> like I could
> print them faster than I could sell them ;)
> Thanks, nij, you and Tyler straightened me out. Its sound very
> cool indeed. I
> thought a RIp was just software to individually controll the inks.
> Steve M.
>
>

i would also like to add that it has been claimed that this is the only 
rip in the industry that is more than 8 bits.

Almost all large format service-burea-type printers of the past use 
dedicated "hardware" rips so their decision to use a pc rip is not 
unheard of. It will communicate with macs just fine and allows you to 
leave them free for the photoshop work. I am a mac person myself and 
personally would have programmed it for a mac but then the pc people 
would be yelling even louder.

Also, in comparison, many rips out there cost many thousands of dollars 
and I am sure Jon Cone would put his rip up there with the best of 
them.

MikeH



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@n...> wrote:

> I believe a queue is what it is. You can set the system to 'Cut' files from
> the queue once printed, or set it not to do that, as I am suggesting. You
> then need to set count to 0 else it'll reprint next time you press Go. My
> understanding is that it stores details about the print file, resolution /
> margins / paper size and potentially a 'large thumbnail' - so I guess these
> would be you rlimiting factors.
> 
> I believe that each print could also be associated with it's own (rather
> than default) profile that would help lots too. But mostly, there has to be
> quite some advanatage to using roll paper with this set-up.
> 
> Nij
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sdmey4@a... [mailto:sdmey4@a...]
> >  nij >>
> > Is this like a cue? Could I have all my popular images in there
> > and whenever
> > I needed one , just go over there and add the # of copies to the
> > list and it
> > print? Could I have 20-30  different images there? Humm sounds
> > like I could
> > print them faster than I could sell them ;)
> > Thanks, nij, you and Tyler straightened me out. Its sound very
> > cool indeed. I
> > thought a RIp was just software to individually controll the inks.
> > Steve M.
> >
> >