Digital BW, The Print

On 6/3/02 4:41 PM, "toomagenta@..." <toomagenta@...> wrote:

> In a message dated 6/3/2002 2:06:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ruhrfoto@... writes:
> 
> 
>> Are pictures printed with Imageprint 4 (MIS FS/N inks) really as
>>> sharp and detailed as images printed with Piezo software,
>> even 
>>> if the prints are viewed close-up?
>> 
> 
> I saw an obvious pattern upon louping, I did not see a pattern with the
> Piezo, so I bought the piezo.
> George J Kunze
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>> I'm looking at Imageprint output on EAM printed from my 7000 with an 8x
>> loupe...solid grey patches and I see no pattern whatsoever.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
> 
> Robert,
> Is it possible I saw a defective print? I based my decision on which system
> to go with on the strength (or weakness) of that print.
> George Z  Kunze
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
> Sent: 04 June 2002 18:45
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imageprint 4 question
>
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> On 6/4/02 5:37 AM, "toomagenta@..." <toomagenta@...> wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 6/3/2002 9:42:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > rmorrison@... writes:
> >
> >
> >> I'm looking at Imageprint output on EAM printed from my 7000 with an 8x
> >> loupe...solid grey patches and I see no pattern whatsoever.
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >
> > Robert,
> > Is it possible I saw a defective print? I based my decision on
> which system
> > to go with on the strength (or weakness) of that print.
> > George Z  Kunze
> >
> >
> You might have seen a print from a desktop printer...I can see
> some pattern
> at 8x with imageprint on my 1280 whereas piezo doesn't show
> anything...from
> the 7000, however, I can't see any pattern in the 7000 Imageprint output.
> Using a print as a determination IMO is really dicey...I like to use step
> wedges...that way you know you have a flat area to judge...don't
> imagine it
> was the same print between the two systems?
>
> Robert
>

On 6/4/02 5:39 PM, "Nij" <nigel@...> wrote:

> hi Robert,
> 
> your experience thus far does not match mine. A Demo of ImagePrint showed a
> definite grain structure (based on a square pattern it seemed to me) where a
> Piezo print of the same image, same paper, same alignment, was smooth and
> 'structureless' under magnification. It seemed to me that the Piezo profiles
> were slightly smoother (there was some 'blotchiness' to the image from
> ImagePrint as the tone moved towards Black.
> 
> Having said all that, I did not make any major effort to realign the printer
> to see if I could get the IP software to be dotless. Just my brief
> experience thus far.
> 
> Best regards,
> Nij
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
>> Sent: 04 June 2002 18:45
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imageprint 4 question
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/4/02 5:37 AM, "toomagenta@..." <toomagenta@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> In a message dated 6/3/2002 9:42:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> rmorrison@... writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I'm looking at Imageprint output on EAM printed from my 7000 with an 8x
>>>> loupe...solid grey patches and I see no pattern whatsoever.
>>>> 
>>>> Robert
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Robert,
>>> Is it possible I saw a defective print? I based my decision on
>> which system
>>> to go with on the strength (or weakness) of that print.
>>> George Z  Kunze
>>> 
>>> 
>> You might have seen a print from a desktop printer...I can see
>> some pattern
>> at 8x with imageprint on my 1280 whereas piezo doesn't show
>> anything...from
>> the 7000, however, I can't see any pattern in the 7000 Imageprint output.
>> Using a print as a determination IMO is really dicey...I like to use step
>> wedges...that way you know you have a flat area to judge...don't
>> imagine it
>> was the same print between the two systems?
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
> Sent: 05 June 2002 02:20
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imageprint 4 question
> 
> 
> How long ago did you get your demo?  Was it for mac or pc?  Just curious.
> What printer were you using?  My best results by far are on the 7000.
> Desktop support is brand new (at least for the mac)...I think I 
> got the very
> first copy.  So far I'd say that I favor Piezo for desktop...but 
> the ability
> to get profiles made is really attractive.  Imageprint has the definite
> advantage of not being a plugin...and allows you to run multiple jobs
> simultaneously...I've had three printers going with no significant
> performance hit.  Both products have their usefulness...I'm certainly not
> planning to sell my piezo license.  I think that the piezo plugin is
> unbeatable as a way to get started in quad printing...but for 
> power users I
> think imageprint is worth a look.
> 
> Robert

On 6/5/02 1:51 AM, "Nij" <nigel@...> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
> 
> The demo was recent, and I was using PC / Epson 7000 with Cone inks.
> 
> Nij
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
>> Sent: 05 June 2002 02:20
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Imageprint 4 question
>> 
>> 
>> How long ago did you get your demo?  Was it for mac or pc?  Just curious.
>> What printer were you using?  My best results by far are on the 7000.
>> Desktop support is brand new (at least for the mac)...I think I
>> got the very
>> first copy.  So far I'd say that I favor Piezo for desktop...but
>> the ability
>> to get profiles made is really attractive.  Imageprint has the definite
>> advantage of not being a plugin...and allows you to run multiple jobs
>> simultaneously...I've had three printers going with no significant
>> performance hit.  Both products have their usefulness...I'm certainly not
>> planning to sell my piezo license.  I think that the piezo plugin is
>> unbeatable as a way to get started in quad printing...but for
>> power users I
>> think imageprint is worth a look.
>> 
>> Robert
> 
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> Imageprint doesn't work with the old Cone inks. The cone profiles that were
> in imageprint were just betas and are not good. The only ink set it supports
> today is the MIS FS ink set.  In the next two weeks it will support the FS-N
> inkset and the Piezotones.  The dither is more sensitive and thus each
> inkset must have its own profiles.    In my opinion the dither is much finer
> than the piezo dither when you use the correct profiles for the ink that you
> are using.
> 
> The mac interface is quite stable now...I'm having no stability issues.
> When the piezotones are profiled I hope to do a head to head comparison
> against the piezopro windows interface on a friends 7000 with the same
> images.  I wish the piezopro was available for the mac so that people had
> options...but I guess that's life...regardless it looks like Imageprint will
> be a great option...but it is still evolving.
> 
> Robert
>

On 6/11/02 8:26 PM, "Peter Lindman" <plindman@...> wrote:

> I must admit, I'm confused. On two different occasions during the past
> couple of months I've corresponded directly with John Panozzo of Colorbyte
> and asked for an Imageprint demo disk/Mac platform/Epson 1280. I've
> specifically asked about quad inks and gotten affirmative replies regarding
> both the VM and FS inksets. The Colorbyte website seems to confirm that this
> configuration is available but I've never received a disk. Does anyone know?
> Does this software exist? Does anyone have any results to report?
> TIA
> Peter Lindman
> 
> on 6/11/02 7:36 PM, Robert Morrison at rmorrison@... wrote:
> 
>> Imageprint doesn't work with the old Cone inks. The cone profiles that were
>> in imageprint were just betas and are not good. The only ink set it supports
>> today is the MIS FS ink set.  In the next two weeks it will support the FS-N
>> inkset and the Piezotones.  The dither is more sensitive and thus each
>> inkset must have its own profiles.    In my opinion the dither is much finer
>> than the piezo dither when you use the correct profiles for the ink that you
>> are using.
>> 
>> The mac interface is quite stable now...I'm having no stability issues.
>> When the piezotones are profiled I hope to do a head to head comparison
>> against the piezopro windows interface on a friends 7000 with the same
>> images.  I wish the piezopro was available for the mac so that people had
>> options...but I guess that's life...regardless it looks like Imageprint will
>> be a great option...but it is still evolving.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
> 
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