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Jumping in

Jumping in

2003-04-13 by j lichtman

This is my first post post here, please bear with me.  

I'd like to start doing digital BW printing.  Do I buy a Epson 1280, or a 2200 (and hope a more then duotone inkset comes out in the near future), a 3000 (seems out of the question due to banding problems) or a Canon S9000 (if thats the model supported, in hopes of being able to more easly deal with clogging)?

Do I buy buy the Piezography software or should I purchase the Image Print RIP?  Am I thinking about this correctly?

Grateful for any info,

-jimmy

Re: Jumping in

2003-04-14 by bob_michaels

The easiest way is: buy a 1280 and go to Clayton Jones website about
Black Only printing http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm   Read what
he has to say then try Black Only printing using the Epson inks. It
really works well with a 1280. 

later, buy MIS VM inks (www.inksupply.com) download Paul Roark's
workflow and curves from the MIS website. 

Key point: Do you know much about Photoshop? A basic working knowledge
is essential to being able to print black & white. 

Learning to print respectable b&w prints digitally is not hard. Once
you printer is set up and you have some comprehension of Photoshop,
you should have an acceptable print in an hour. 

Bob Michaels

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "j lichtman"
<jlichtman@y...> wrote:
> This is my first post post here, please bear with me.  
> 
> I'd like to start doing digital BW printing.  Do I buy a Epson 1280,
or a 2200 (and hope a more then duotone inkset comes out in the near
future), a 3000 (seems out of the question due to banding problems) or
a Canon S9000 (if thats the model supported, in hopes of being able to
more easly deal with clogging)?
> 
> Do I buy buy the Piezography software or should I purchase the Image
Print RIP?  Am I thinking about this correctly?
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> 
> Grateful for any info,
> 
> -jimmy

[Digital BW] ink not coming out...

2003-04-14 by michael meyer

hey all. i have been using my epson 890 with MIS' FS
inkset in carts, which i have been refilling,
successfully for the past month or so. 

while my results have been good, i still have a long
way to go. 

but now i have run into a problem. i have
occassionally had clogged heads that a cleaning cycle
will take care of. but i left my printer idle for a
couple of days, turned on, and now the photo cyan head
isn't putting out any ink. 

i made a print that looked like crap. did a nozzle
check and found the black ink wasn't shooting any ink.
so i did a cleaning cycle. the next nozzle check
showed that the black was now perfect, but that the
photo cyan position ink wasn't doing anything.
nothing. 

so i ran a print through to maybe get it going. still
no good. another nozzle check, cleaning cycle and
nozzle checks no improvement. thinking, incorrectly
now that i think about it, that maybe i had missed
refilling that ink when i had done the last refill i
switched to a fresh cartridge. let the cart sit in the
printer 2-3 hours then ran a nozzle check. still, the
photo cyan position is putting out no ink. 

i am letting the printer sit overnight. hopefully this
will fix itself. but i am not sure it will. 

i am thinking it is probably air in the print head. is
this possible or probable? anything else it might be?
solutions? someone mentioned once a procedure
involving a syringe and a short length of tubing...
might this procedure work here? anything else i might
try? 

this is the first real problem i have come up against
in my month or so of digi b&w printing. i would like
to get past it. all thoughts appreciated. 

thanks in advance.

michael meyer

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Re: Jumping in

2003-04-14 by j lichtman

ok, so that's the easiest way, i follow all that.  

what is the best way?

-jimmy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bob_michaels" <bob@b...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> The easiest way is: buy a 1280 and go to Clayton Jones website about
> Black Only printing http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm   Read what
> he has to say then try Black Only printing using the Epson inks. It
> really works well with a 1280. 
> 
> later, buy MIS VM inks (www.inksupply.com) download Paul Roark's
> workflow and curves from the MIS website. 
> 
> Key point: Do you know much about Photoshop? A basic working knowledge
> is essential to being able to print black & white. 
> 
> Learning to print respectable b&w prints digitally is not hard. Once
> you printer is set up and you have some comprehension of Photoshop,
> you should have an acceptable print in an hour. 
> 
> Bob Michaels
> 
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "j lichtman"
> <jlichtman@y...> wrote:
> > This is my first post post here, please bear with me.  
> > 
> > I'd like to start doing digital BW printing.  Do I buy a Epson 1280,
> or a 2200 (and hope a more then duotone inkset comes out in the near
> future), a 3000 (seems out of the question due to banding problems) or
> a Canon S9000 (if thats the model supported, in hopes of being able to
> more easly deal with clogging)?
> > 
> > Do I buy buy the Piezography software or should I purchase the Image
> Print RIP?  Am I thinking about this correctly?
> > 
> > Grateful for any info,
> > 
> > -jimmy

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Jumping in

2003-04-14 by xyz

--- j lichtman <jlichtman@...> wrote:
> ok, so that's the easiest way, i follow all that.  
> 
> what is the best way?

Well, dude, we didn't need to sign up for this forum
if we were gonna print on the 2200 using OEM ink, did
we?

I'm in the same place you are--I plan on having a
dedicated black and white printer, but it's looking
like it might take awhile to figure out which one.  If
the 1160 were available, it would be simple, or more
simple.

From what I can gather, people in this forum--as well
as the people at MIS--seem to think there's little
gain in going from 4 to six inks, although there's
been some talk recently about the six being better
with some kind of new RC paper.  

Two of us have asked in the past couple weeks whether
the 890 is the same thing as the 1280, except the 1280
prints on larger format, and the answers look
conflicting to me.  We could probably find that out
some other place though.

As far as your question about the "best".  Some people
might think Joe Cone's deal is the best.  I don't know
if it is or not.  I think it's the most expensive, and
I don't know if I could tell the difference between it
and the MIS stuff.  

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Re: [Digital BW] ink not coming out...

2003-04-14 by Chris Hargens

Are you using a CFS? You might try the MIS website for info 
concerning problems with foam and how to deal with them.

Chris Hargens

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, michael meyer 
<mikenmeyer@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> hey all. i have been using my epson 890 with MIS' FS
> inkset in carts, which i have been refilling,
> successfully for the past month or so. 
> 
> while my results have been good, i still have a long
> way to go. 
> 
> but now i have run into a problem. i have
> occassionally had clogged heads that a cleaning cycle
> will take care of. but i left my printer idle for a
> couple of days, turned on, and now the photo cyan head
> isn't putting out any ink. 
> 
> i made a print that looked like crap. did a nozzle
> check and found the black ink wasn't shooting any ink.
> so i did a cleaning cycle. the next nozzle check
> showed that the black was now perfect, but that the
> photo cyan position ink wasn't doing anything.
> nothing. 
> 
> so i ran a print through to maybe get it going. still
> no good. another nozzle check, cleaning cycle and
> nozzle checks no improvement. thinking, incorrectly
> now that i think about it, that maybe i had missed
> refilling that ink when i had done the last refill i
> switched to a fresh cartridge. let the cart sit in the
> printer 2-3 hours then ran a nozzle check. still, the
> photo cyan position is putting out no ink. 
> 
> i am letting the printer sit overnight. hopefully this
> will fix itself. but i am not sure it will. 
> 
> i am thinking it is probably air in the print head. is
> this possible or probable? anything else it might be?
> solutions? someone mentioned once a procedure
> involving a syringe and a short length of tubing...
> might this procedure work here? anything else i might
> try? 
> 
> this is the first real problem i have come up against
> in my month or so of digi b&w printing. i would like
> to get past it. all thoughts appreciated. 
> 
> thanks in advance.
> 
> michael meyer
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] ink not coming out...

2003-04-14 by Sam

Put a normal ink cart in there and run it for a while. Original ink might fix it. In the meanwhile, block ur cart up so it doesnt dry off.

Sam
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chris Hargens 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:33 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ink not coming out...


  Are you using a CFS? You might try the MIS website for info 
  concerning problems with foam and how to deal with them.

  Chris Hargens

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, michael meyer 
  <mikenmeyer@y...> wrote:
  > hey all. i have been using my epson 890 with MIS' FS
  > inkset in carts, which i have been refilling,
  > successfully for the past month or so. 
  > 
  > while my results have been good, i still have a long
  > way to go. 
  > 
  > but now i have run into a problem. i have
  > occassionally had clogged heads that a cleaning cycle
  > will take care of. but i left my printer idle for a
  > couple of days, turned on, and now the photo cyan head
  > isn't putting out any ink. 
  > 
  > i made a print that looked like crap. did a nozzle
  > check and found the black ink wasn't shooting any ink.
  > so i did a cleaning cycle. the next nozzle check
  > showed that the black was now perfect, but that the
  > photo cyan position ink wasn't doing anything.
  > nothing. 
  > 
  > so i ran a print through to maybe get it going. still
  > no good. another nozzle check, cleaning cycle and
  > nozzle checks no improvement. thinking, incorrectly
  > now that i think about it, that maybe i had missed
  > refilling that ink when i had done the last refill i
  > switched to a fresh cartridge. let the cart sit in the
  > printer 2-3 hours then ran a nozzle check. still, the
  > photo cyan position is putting out no ink. 
  > 
  > i am letting the printer sit overnight. hopefully this
  > will fix itself. but i am not sure it will. 
  > 
  > i am thinking it is probably air in the print head. is
  > this possible or probable? anything else it might be?
  > solutions? someone mentioned once a procedure
  > involving a syringe and a short length of tubing...
  > might this procedure work here? anything else i might
  > try? 
  > 
  > this is the first real problem i have come up against
  > in my month or so of digi b&w printing. i would like
  > to get past it. all thoughts appreciated. 
  > 
  > thanks in advance.
  > 
  > michael meyer
  > 
  > __________________________________________________
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  > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
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[Digital BW] 1280 v0890 was: Re: Jumping in

2003-04-14 by bob_michaels

I have both printers. They seem the same except the 1280 prints wider,
and the 890 color ink cart has less capacity. I can find no other
differences. They share a manual.
Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, xyz
<xyz67899@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Two of us have asked in the past couple weeks whether
> the 890 is the same thing as the 1280, except the 1280
> prints on larger format, and the answers look
> conflicting to me.  We could probably find that out
> some other place though.

Re: Jumping in

2003-04-14 by bob_michaels

Jimmy: I think that's also the best way. Of course, others have
different opinions but I may say this is a majority view.

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "j lichtman"
<jlichtman@y...> wrote:
> ok, so that's the easiest way, i follow all that.  
> 
> what is the best way?
> 
> -jimmy
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bob_michaels"
<bob@b...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > The easiest way is: buy a 1280 and go to Clayton Jones website about
> > Black Only printing http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm   Read what
> > he has to say then try Black Only printing using the Epson inks. It
> > really works well with a 1280. 
> > 
> > later, buy MIS VM inks (www.inksupply.com) download Paul Roark's
> > workflow and curves from the MIS website. 
> > 
> > Key point: Do you know much about Photoshop? A basic working knowledge
> > is essential to being able to print black & white. 
> > 
> > Learning to print respectable b&w prints digitally is not hard. Once
> > you printer is set up and you have some comprehension of Photoshop,
> > you should have an acceptable print in an hour. 
> > 
> > Bob Michaels
> > 
> >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "j lichtman"
> > <jlichtman@y...> wrote:
> > > This is my first post post here, please bear with me.  
> > > 
> > > I'd like to start doing digital BW printing.  Do I buy a Epson 1280,
> > or a 2200 (and hope a more then duotone inkset comes out in the near
> > future), a 3000 (seems out of the question due to banding problems) or
> > a Canon S9000 (if thats the model supported, in hopes of being able to
> > more easly deal with clogging)?
> > > 
> > > Do I buy buy the Piezography software or should I purchase the Image
> > Print RIP?  Am I thinking about this correctly?
> > > 
> > > Grateful for any info,
> > > 
> > > -jimmy

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Jumping in

2003-04-14 by Jerry Olson

j lichtman wrote:
 > ok, so that's the easiest way, i follow all that.

 > what is the best way?

 > -jimmy


1280, MIS VM inks, Nomorecarts CIS system, Paul Roark's curves, Media 
Street's Enhanced Black ink.

Jerry

Re: Jumping in

2003-04-14 by Keith Cooper

>> what is the best way?

Hi

That's the biggest question!

Whilst I'd not disagree about some of the other ink sets/inking
systems/rips/curves that are suggested, you might want to look at some other
options. I use Lyson SG on an 1160, I really like the inks, I've never had
clogging problems and it fits in with what I want to produce. The inks are
available for other printers(inc. Canon) as well. The inks might not get
much mention on -this- list, but they do have quite a following.


BUT... It all depends on what -you- want :-))

I'd suggest getting a sound knowledge of Photoshop before getting too deeply
into curves and the like. An understanding of colour management (yes, for
B/W :-)) and profiling will also greatly enhance the quality and consistency
of your work.

My own view is that there may be far better ways of spending your money than
to get a RIP of some sort at the start. Maybe when you buy that really big
printer...

Have a look at the files/resources section of this group, I've also tried to
collect information and links on these subjects in the links section of the
site below.


bye for now   

Keith Cooper

Northlight Images
http://northlight-images.co.uk
Photography - Digital Imaging - Apple Mac Consultancy

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