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OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-09 by B. Alex Pettit Jr.

I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP 
workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.

I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro. 

Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.

Thanks,
Alex

RE: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-09 by David R. Spielman

Alex,

I'd stay with Windows 2000 and avoid XP PRO like the plague.

Best Regards,

David R. Spielman
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  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:47 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??


  I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP
  workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.

  I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro.

  Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
  over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.

  Thanks,
  Alex


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Re: OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-09 by photographs42

Alex,
Not much difference that you would notice in the OS. The look of XPP 
is different out of the box but you can change to look like W2K. 
Software shouldn't be a problem. Check all of your existing hardware 
(scanner, tape back-up drive, printers etc.) for correct drivers for 
both OS's. If all drivers are available, I'd go for the XPP.

Jerome

http://www.jeromehawkins.com/


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B. Alex Pettit 
Jr." <a_pettit_jr@y...> wrote:
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> I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP 
> workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.
> 
> I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro. 
> 
> Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
> over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex

Re: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-09 by photographs42

David,
Why? Do you have experience with both?

Jerome

http://www/jeromehawkins.com/

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R. 
Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
> Alex,
> 
> I'd stay with Windows 2000 and avoid XP PRO like the plague.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> David R. Spielman
> 
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: B. Alex Pettit Jr. [mailto:a_pettit_jr@y...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:47 PM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??
> 
> 
>   I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP
>   workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.
> 
>   I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro.
> 
>   Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
>   over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Alex
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Re: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-09 by Tom Baker

I'm running PS 7.0 on an AMD 2800+ and 1gig of 128bit memory with XP Pro.  Runs great.  I also run it on a much smaller machine with XP home, and have run it on WIN ME.  Be aware that, at least the ImagePrint 5.5 for Epson 2200/7600/9600 requires WIN XP to get full functionality.  I don't kow if other software is out there that has similar requirements.  You might consider that before jumping.  Most WIN new development seems to be targeted for XP Pro.  2000 seems to be fading as a prefered platform for new development.
 
TB

photographs42 <jerome@...> wrote:
David,
Why? Do you have experience with both?

Jerome

http://www/jeromehawkins.com/

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R. 
Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
> Alex,
> 
> I'd stay with Windows 2000 and avoid XP PRO like the plague.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> David R. Spielman
> 
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: B. Alex Pettit Jr. [mailto:a_pettit_jr@y...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:47 PM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??
> 
> 
>   I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP
>   workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.
> 
>   I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro.
> 
>   Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
>   over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Alex
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-09 by Tom Baker

Oh, yes.  I'm running two monitors on that XP PRO system.  One other item, XP PRO has dual processor capability.  You may or may not care about that.  At some point, however, I intend to upgrade to dual processors.  That's the main reason I chose XP PRO over XP HOME for the PS machine.  There doesn't seem to be any difference in the performance of the two operating systems, however.  
 
TB


photographs42 <jerome@...> wrote:
David,
Why? Do you have experience with both?

Jerome

http://www/jeromehawkins.com/

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R. 
Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
> Alex,
> 
> I'd stay with Windows 2000 and avoid XP PRO like the plague.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> David R. Spielman
> 
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: B. Alex Pettit Jr. [mailto:a_pettit_jr@y...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:47 PM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??
> 
> 
>   I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP
>   workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.
> 
>   I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro.
> 
>   Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
>   over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Alex
> 
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RE: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-09 by David R. Spielman

TB,

In order for any application that runs under windows (like Photoshop) to
take advantage of a second processor in that system, the application in
question must have been designed in the first place to support
multiprocessors (ie, a multi-thread application). As far as I know,
Photoshop (at least on the PC platform) is not a multi-thread application,
and can therefore not take advantage of a second processor, even of one is
present in the system.

Also, with earlier versions of Windows 2000 that I have worked with, if one
starts out with a single processor system, and at some later date, a second
processor is added, one must RE-INSTALL the OS in order for the operating
system to recognize the presents of the second processor. I don't know about
you, but re-installing Windows 2000 is not my idea of a fun day at the
beach. Having said this, I'm not sure if the current versions of WIndows
2000 have this feature. Might check the Microsoft knowledge base to make
sure.

Best Regards,

David R. Spielman
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tom Baker [mailto:tbaker1328@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:23 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??


  Oh, yes.  I'm running two monitors on that XP PRO system.  One other item,
XP PRO has dual processor capability.  You may or may not care about that.
At some point, however, I intend to upgrade to dual processors.  That's the
main reason I chose XP PRO over XP HOME for the PS machine.  There doesn't
seem to be any difference in the performance of the two operating systems,
however.

  TB


  photographs42 <jerome@...> wrote:
  David,
  Why? Do you have experience with both?

  Jerome

  http://www/jeromehawkins.com/

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R.
  Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
  > Alex,
  >
  > I'd stay with Windows 2000 and avoid XP PRO like the plague.
  >
  > Best Regards,
  >
  > David R. Spielman
  >
  >
  >
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: B. Alex Pettit Jr. [mailto:a_pettit_jr@y...]
  >   Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:47 PM
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??
  >
  >
  >   I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP
  >   workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.
  >
  >   I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro.
  >
  >   Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
  >   over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.
  >
  >   Thanks,
  >   Alex
  >
  >
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Re[2]: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-09 by Gus J Grubba

Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 3:40:15 PM, you wrote:

DRS> TB,

DRS> In order for any application that runs under windows (like Photoshop) to
DRS> take advantage of a second processor in that system, the application in
DRS> question must have been designed in the first place to support
DRS> multiprocessors (ie, a multi-thread application). As far as I know,
DRS> Photoshop (at least on the PC platform) is not a multi-thread application,
DRS> and can therefore not take advantage of a second processor, even of one is
DRS> present in the system.

There are several parts of Photoshop that are multithreaded.
Particularly the filters. Another reason to want more than one CPU is
that even if a certain application is single threaded, the other
processes can run on different CPUs. This is not just a case where you
would want to run two things at once. Even if you are not running
anything, the system already has 20 or so processes running in the
background. Think of it as one CPU for what you are doing and another
for the rest of the system.

DRS> Also, with earlier versions of Windows 2000 that I have worked with, if one
DRS> starts out with a single processor system, and at some later date, a second
DRS> processor is added, one must RE-INSTALL the OS in order for the operating
DRS> system to recognize the presents of the second processor. I don't know about
DRS> you, but re-installing Windows 2000 is not my idea of a fun day at the
DRS> beach. Having said this, I'm not sure if the current versions of WIndows
DRS> 2000 have this feature. Might check the Microsoft knowledge base to make
DRS> sure.

You are correct. I don't know if that changed in XP though.

RE: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-09 by Brentley Beerline

1.  Photoshop is multithreaded and runs fine on two processors.
    
2.  Upgrading to a multi CPU environment requires the reinstallation of
the HAL in Windows, takes about 30 minutes.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;234558#2
 
brentley
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??


TB,

In order for any application that runs under windows (like Photoshop) to
take advantage of a second processor in that system, the application in
question must have been designed in the first place to support
multiprocessors (ie, a multi-thread application). As far as I know,
Photoshop (at least on the PC platform) is not a multi-thread
application,
and can therefore not take advantage of a second processor, even of one
is
present in the system.

Also, with earlier versions of Windows 2000 that I have worked with, if
one
starts out with a single processor system, and at some later date, a
second
processor is added, one must RE-INSTALL the OS in order for the
operating
system to recognize the presents of the second processor. I don't know
about
you, but re-installing Windows 2000 is not my idea of a fun day at the
beach. Having said this, I'm not sure if the current versions of WIndows
2000 have this feature. Might check the Microsoft knowledge base to make
sure.

Best Regards,

David R. Spielman


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tom Baker [mailto:tbaker1328@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:23 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??


  Oh, yes.  I'm running two monitors on that XP PRO system.  One other
item,
XP PRO has dual processor capability.  You may or may not care about
that.
At some point, however, I intend to upgrade to dual processors.  That's
the
main reason I chose XP PRO over XP HOME for the PS machine.  There
doesn't
seem to be any difference in the performance of the two operating
systems,
however.

  TB


  photographs42 <jerome@...> wrote:
  David,
  Why? Do you have experience with both?

  Jerome

  http://www/jeromehawkins.com/

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R.
  Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
  > Alex,
  >
  > I'd stay with Windows 2000 and avoid XP PRO like the plague.
  >
  > Best Regards,
  >
  > David R. Spielman
  >
  >
  >
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: B. Alex Pettit Jr. [mailto:a_pettit_jr@y...]
  >   Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:47 PM
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??
  >
  >
  >   I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP
  >   workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.
  >
  >   I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro.
  >
  >   Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
  >   over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.
  >
  >   Thanks,
  >   Alex
  >
  >
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RE: Re[2]: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-09 by David R. Spielman

Gus,

What parts of Photoshop are multi-threaded? You mentioned filters, are you
talking about filters that are part of the baseline installation of
Photoshop, or third party plug-in filters?

Best Regards,

David R. Spielman
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gus J Grubba [mailto:gus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:54 PM
To: David R. Spielman
Subject: Re[2]: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??




  Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 3:40:15 PM, you wrote:

  DRS> TB,

  DRS> In order for any application that runs under windows (like Photoshop)
to
  DRS> take advantage of a second processor in that system, the application
in
  DRS> question must have been designed in the first place to support
  DRS> multiprocessors (ie, a multi-thread application). As far as I know,
  DRS> Photoshop (at least on the PC platform) is not a multi-thread
application,
  DRS> and can therefore not take advantage of a second processor, even of
one is
  DRS> present in the system.

  There are several parts of Photoshop that are multithreaded.
  Particularly the filters. Another reason to want more than one CPU is
  that even if a certain application is single threaded, the other
  processes can run on different CPUs. This is not just a case where you
  would want to run two things at once. Even if you are not running
  anything, the system already has 20 or so processes running in the
  background. Think of it as one CPU for what you are doing and another
  for the rest of the system.

  DRS> Also, with earlier versions of Windows 2000 that I have worked with,
if one
  DRS> starts out with a single processor system, and at some later date, a
second
  DRS> processor is added, one must RE-INSTALL the OS in order for the
operating
  DRS> system to recognize the presents of the second processor. I don't
know about
  DRS> you, but re-installing Windows 2000 is not my idea of a fun day at
the
  DRS> beach. Having said this, I'm not sure if the current versions of
WIndows
  DRS> 2000 have this feature. Might check the Microsoft knowledge base to
make
  DRS> sure.

  You are correct. I don't know if that changed in XP though.


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Re: Re[2]: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-10 by Eric Maquiling

On 09/09 16:55, David R. Spielman wrote:
> Gus,
> 
> What parts of Photoshop are multi-threaded? You mentioned filters, are you

Don't you have to buy the multiprocessor version of PHotoshop?  When
you buy software it is usually compiled on 1 processor.
-- 
Eric

RE: Re[2]: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-10 by Brentley Beerline

this is 100% untrue.
 
there is only one version of photoshop.  And you can compile for any
number of processors on any machine that runs a compiler, testing is a
different problem.
 
brentley
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On 09/09 16:55, David R. Spielman wrote:
> Gus,
> 
> What parts of Photoshop are multi-threaded? You mentioned filters, are
you

Don't you have to buy the multiprocessor version of PHotoshop?  When
you buy software it is usually compiled on 1 processor.
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RE: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-10 by Tom Baker

That's true.  According to Adobe Photoshop 7.0 does not support dual processors.  But, they didn't say about 8.0.
 
Installing WIN XP PRO is a totally different world than 2000.  I've installed both.  Also, I suspect, because I changed processors recently, and had to reinstall, that one would have to reinstall for dual processors.  In this case, that's much better than investing in on OS, and then having to buy another because I didn't think of it in the beginning.
 
TB


"David R. Spielman" <david@...> wrote:
TB,

In order for any application that runs under windows (like Photoshop) to
take advantage of a second processor in that system, the application in
question must have been designed in the first place to support
multiprocessors (ie, a multi-thread application). As far as I know,
Photoshop (at least on the PC platform) is not a multi-thread application,
and can therefore not take advantage of a second processor, even of one is
present in the system.

Also, with earlier versions of Windows 2000 that I have worked with, if one
starts out with a single processor system, and at some later date, a second
processor is added, one must RE-INSTALL the OS in order for the operating
system to recognize the presents of the second processor. I don't know about
you, but re-installing Windows 2000 is not my idea of a fun day at the
beach. Having said this, I'm not sure if the current versions of WIndows
2000 have this feature. Might check the Microsoft knowledge base to make
sure.

Best Regards,

David R. Spielman
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tom Baker [mailto:tbaker1328@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:23 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??


  Oh, yes.  I'm running two monitors on that XP PRO system.  One other item,
XP PRO has dual processor capability.  You may or may not care about that.
At some point, however, I intend to upgrade to dual processors.  That's the
main reason I chose XP PRO over XP HOME for the PS machine.  There doesn't
seem to be any difference in the performance of the two operating systems,
however.

  TB


  photographs42 <jerome@...> wrote:
  David,
  Why? Do you have experience with both?

  Jerome

  http://www/jeromehawkins.com/

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R.
  Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
  > Alex,
  >
  > I'd stay with Windows 2000 and avoid XP PRO like the plague.
  >
  > Best Regards,
  >
  > David R. Spielman
  >
  >
  >
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: B. Alex Pettit Jr. [mailto:a_pettit_jr@y...]
  >   Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:47 PM
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??
  >
  >
  >   I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP
  >   workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.
  >
  >   I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro.
  >
  >   Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
  >   over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.
  >
  >   Thanks,
  >   Alex
  >
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RE: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-10 by Tom Baker

There are indications in the software that PS 7 is multi-threaded.  But, Adobe told me no.
 
TB


Brentley Beerline <brentley_beerline@...> wrote:
1.  Photoshop is multithreaded and runs fine on two processors.
    
2.  Upgrading to a multi CPU environment requires the reinstallation of
the HAL in Windows, takes about 30 minutes.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;234558#2

brentley
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Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??


TB,

In order for any application that runs under windows (like Photoshop) to
take advantage of a second processor in that system, the application in
question must have been designed in the first place to support
multiprocessors (ie, a multi-thread application). As far as I know,
Photoshop (at least on the PC platform) is not a multi-thread
application,
and can therefore not take advantage of a second processor, even of one
is
present in the system.

Also, with earlier versions of Windows 2000 that I have worked with, if
one
starts out with a single processor system, and at some later date, a
second
processor is added, one must RE-INSTALL the OS in order for the
operating
system to recognize the presents of the second processor. I don't know
about
you, but re-installing Windows 2000 is not my idea of a fun day at the
beach. Having said this, I'm not sure if the current versions of WIndows
2000 have this feature. Might check the Microsoft knowledge base to make
sure.

Best Regards,

David R. Spielman


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tom Baker [mailto:tbaker1328@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:23 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??


  Oh, yes.  I'm running two monitors on that XP PRO system.  One other
item,
XP PRO has dual processor capability.  You may or may not care about
that.
At some point, however, I intend to upgrade to dual processors.  That's
the
main reason I chose XP PRO over XP HOME for the PS machine.  There
doesn't
seem to be any difference in the performance of the two operating
systems,
however.

  TB


  photographs42 <jerome@...> wrote:
  David,
  Why? Do you have experience with both?

  Jerome

  http://www/jeromehawkins.com/

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R.
  Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
  > Alex,
  >
  > I'd stay with Windows 2000 and avoid XP PRO like the plague.
  >
  > Best Regards,
  >
  > David R. Spielman
  >
  >
  >
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: B. Alex Pettit Jr. [mailto:a_pettit_jr@y...]
  >   Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:47 PM
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??
  >
  >
  >   I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP
  >   workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.
  >
  >   I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro.
  >
  >   Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
  >   over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.
  >
  >   Thanks,
  >   Alex
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RE: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-10 by Frank J Mares

I have both Win 2000 Pro & XP Pro. The XP Pro is running dual Xeon
processors with Raid configuration,10,000 rpm SCSI drives(3) with EIDE
drives mirrored for the OS, dual monitors and 2 GB Rhambus RAM. The Epson
Stylus Pro's (7600 & 7500) run well. The system was a little unstable at
first until the graphics card update from NVIDIA was done. Since then the OS
has been rock solid, fast and easy to use. It does have some seemingly added
features that are for those users who aren't as familiar with the Win set-up
but all in all it has been equivalent to Win 2000 in stability. I also
network 2 Win 2000 computers and the XP Pro wirelessly without a problem.
Long term XP Pro might have the edge in future development advances as
stated by others.

Thanks 
Frank 
FRANCIS JAMES MARES PHOTOGRAPHY
EMAIL:FJMARES@FJMARESPHOTO.COM
WWW.FJMARESPHOTO.COM
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Baker [mailto:tbaker1328@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:23 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

Oh, yes.  I'm running two monitors on that XP PRO system.  One other item,
XP PRO has dual processor capability.  You may or may not care about that.
At some point, however, I intend to upgrade to dual processors.  That's the
main reason I chose XP PRO over XP HOME for the PS machine.  There doesn't
seem to be any difference in the performance of the two operating systems,
however.  
 
TB


photographs42 <jerome@jeromehawkins.com> wrote:
David,
Why? Do you have experience with both?

Jerome

http://www/jeromehawkins.com/

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R. 
Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
> Alex,
> 
> I'd stay with Windows 2000 and avoid XP PRO like the plague.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> David R. Spielman
> 
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: B. Alex Pettit Jr. [mailto:a_pettit_jr@y...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:47 PM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??
> 
> 
>   I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP
>   workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.
> 
>   I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro.
> 
>   Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
>   over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Alex
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-10 by Jack M Kucy

W2kPRO is faster, although xppro is supposed to be a bit more secure.
I would NOT go for normal edition of w2k.  Some of the drivers will not 
work with
xpro so if you have already w2k I would just upgrade to PRO and stay 
with it.
Of course IMHO.  I have just ordered new laptop 2.0 GHz, 1GB RAM, 30GB HD
FireWire etc. and W2KPro.
Good luck.
Jack

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B. Alex Pettit Jr. wrote:
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> I am drooling over the plan of upgrading to a 2.8 GHz or so, HP
> workstation, 1.5 GB mem, 36 GB SCSI drive.  I may go dual monitor.
>
> I can purchase it with either Win2K ( current opsys ) or XPPro.
>
> Anyone have any recommendations on the advantages of one
> over the other ? The main software is PhotoShop 6.0.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
>

Re: Re[2]: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-10 by Eric Maquiling

On 09/09 17:22, Brentley Beerline wrote:
> this is 100% untrue.
>  
> there is only one version of photoshop.  And you can compile for any

But how do you compile photoshop without source code?
-- 
Eric

Re: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-10 by B. Alex Pettit Jr.

Yes, I can also confirm the dual processer 'awareness' of some
of PhotoShop's functions. I have done so with PS 5.0 on NT4 and
Win 2K. No change to the Photoshop installation is needed.

NT4 did require a full reinstallation with the
multiprocessor selection set. However, Win2K, quite happily
switched modes from single to dual without any intervention.

This planned workstation has second processor ability for
exactly this intent.

Thanks to All,
Alex

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Gus J Grubba 
<gus@g...> wrote:
> 

> 
> There are several parts of Photoshop that are multithreaded.
> Particularly the filters. Another reason to want more than one CPU 
is
> that even if a certain application is single threaded, the other
> processes can run on different CPUs. This is not just a case where 
you
> would want to run two things at once. Even if you are not running
> anything, the system already has 20 or so processes running in the
> background. Think of it as one CPU for what you are doing and 
another
> for the rest of the system.
>

Re: [Digital BW] OT : PS 6.0 + W2K or XPP ??

2003-09-10 by Bob Frost

David,

Why? I've got XP Pro on three machines with no problems after the initial
shortage of drivers. Most firms have now caught up.

Bob Frost.

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>
> I'd stay with Windows 2000 and avoid XP PRO like the plague.

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