Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
 (1) I just printed with BO on 2200, making sure R=0 for Black 
and it still came out gray. I guess this is a question for Clayton. 
How do you get deep blacks?

(2)I've been using OPM only for my B&W prints on 2200. Its free! 
They are in shows and a gallery. What are others experience 
with using OPM, without buying the IJ software?
Thanks for your comments
Antara

Hello Antara,

>(1) I just printed with BO on 2200, making sure R=0 for Black 
>and it still came out gray. I guess this is a question for Clayton. 
>How do you get deep blacks?

It's hard for me to know what you're doing, so I can't say for sure,
but please read the Part 3 of my articles on my web site.  It gives
details on how I set up the printer and how I work in PhotoShop.


Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

> From: Antara Scales [mailto:antaras@...]
>
>  (1) I just printed with BO on 2200, making sure R=0 for Black
> and it still came out gray. I guess this is a question for Clayton.
> How do you get deep blacks?

Stay away from matte papers. Premium Luster looks nice, and at least doesn't
have the coherent reflections that glossy does.

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Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. 
DeRocco" <pderocco@i...> wrote:
> > From: Antara Scales [mailto:antaras@y...]
> >
> >  (1) I just printed with BO on 2200, making sure R=0 for Black
> > and it still came out gray. I guess this is a question for 
Clayton.
> > How do you get deep blacks?
> 
> Stay away from matte papers.

 I disagree that matte paper, per se, could be blamed for 
producing a "gray" Dmax. With matte papers such as EEM and 
HWM there should be no trouble obtaining Dmax of around 1.65, 
which surely ain't gray (IMHO).

Phil

> From: Phil Rose [mailto:pjrose@...]
>
>  I disagree that matte paper, per se, could be blamed for
> producing a "gray" Dmax. With matte papers such as EEM and
> HWM there should be no trouble obtaining Dmax of around 1.65,
> which surely ain't gray (IMHO).

True, but the blacks are definitely darker on Premium Luster. I can see it,
and so can my colorimeter. Some people find the 2200 blacks on matte paper
just plain unacceptable, including the woman who sold me her 2200 and went
back to her 1280. I guess it depends upon what you're used to.

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Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

I am comparing BO to the black I get with Ultrachrome using 
OPM. Both are on matte paper, EAM and German Etch.
The lack of black has nothing to do with the paper. So what am I 
doing wrong, since Clayton and others say you can get black 
using BO?
Antara


> >  I disagree that matte paper, per se, could be blamed for
> > producing a "gray" Dmax. With matte papers such as EEM 
and
> > HWM there should be no trouble obtaining Dmax of around 
1.65,
> > which surely ain't gray (IMHO).
> 
> True, but the blacks are definitely darker on Premium Luster. I 
can see it,
> and so can my colorimeter. Some people find the 2200 blacks 
on matte paper
> just plain unacceptable, including the woman who sold me her 
2200 and went

> back to her 1280. I guess it depends upon what you're used to.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@i...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Antara Scales" 
<antaras@y...> wrote:
> I am comparing BO to the black I get with Ultrachrome using 
> OPM. Both are on matte paper, EAM and German Etch.
> The lack of black has nothing to do with the paper. So what am I 
> doing wrong, since Clayton and others say you can get black 
> using BO?
> Antara
> 

Antara;

Are you perhaps using the Photo Black ink? That is the stock setup 
for the 2200 I believe, but Epson sells a matte black ink which gets 
a better Dmax on matte papers, including I would think the EEM. The 
stock Photo Black does much better, but only on the RC papers like 
premium luster and glossy.

Regards,

Steve Karafyllakis

Anataras,

What is OPM?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Antara 
Scales" 
> <antaras@y...> wrote:
> > I am comparing BO to the black I get with Ultrachrome using 
> > OPM. Both are on matte paper, EAM and German Etch.
> > The lack of black has nothing to do with the paper. So what am I 
> > doing wrong, since Clayton and others say you can get black 
> > using BO?
> > Antara
> > 
> 
> Antara;
> 
> Are you perhaps using the Photo Black ink? That is the stock setup 
> for the 2200 I believe, but Epson sells a matte black ink which 
gets 
> a better Dmax on matte papers, including I would think the EEM. 
The 

> stock Photo Black does much better, but only on the RC papers like 
> premium luster and glossy.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis

-
> What is OPM?

Open Print Maker
A free alternative to the Epson driver for Mac OS 9 that prints 
warm to cool B&W prints for 2200.

> From: Antara Scales [mailto:antaras@...]
>
> I am comparing BO to the black I get with Ultrachrome using
> OPM. Both are on matte paper, EAM and German Etch.
> The lack of black has nothing to do with the paper. So what am I
> doing wrong, since Clayton and others say you can get black
> using BO?

It's possible that OPM lays down max black ink plus all the colors. I know
that the standard Epson driver manages to print a tad darker in color mode
than in BO mode (at least with Photo Black on Premium Luster), but it takes
a colorimeter to tell the difference. But I wouldn't call the BO black
remotely "gray" on that paper.

The only thing I can think of is that you've got a bad batch of black, which
OPM manages to hide under the color ink. I've gotten bad ink before, on a
different printer.

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Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

> From: Antara Scales [mailto:antaras@...]
>
> Open Print Maker
> A free alternative to the Epson driver for Mac OS 9 that prints
> warm to cool B&W prints for 2200.

I've tried to find that on the web, but couldn't. Got a link, or a company
name?

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

www.bowhaus.com
If you read the discussion with Clayton, he helped me resolve 
the no black thing. It was just printer settings. (-:



> > Open Print Maker
> > A free alternative to the Epson driver for Mac OS 9 that prints
> > warm to cool B&W prints for 2200.
> 
> I've tried to find that on the web, but couldn't. Got a link, or a 
company

> name?
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@i...

> From: Antara Scales [mailto:antaras@...]
>
> www.bowhaus.com

I don't see anything in BowHaus's web site that has anything to do with Open
PrintMaker.

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Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. DeRocco" 
<pderocco@i...> wrote:
> > From: Antara Scales [mailto:antaras@y...]
> >
> > www.bowhaus.com
> 
> I don't see anything in BowHaus's web site that has anything to do with Open
> PrintMaker.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@i...

Strange that they don't have a link at the top level.

It's at www.bowhaus.com/inkjetcontrol

Roy

"The lack of black has nothing to do with the paper."

In my experience, it has EVERYTHING (almost) to do with the paper.

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You took my statement out of context. Of course paper is 
important.
What I meant was that the paper I was using did not lack any 
ability to portray black, because it showed black with another 
kind of printout. The paper wasn't the problem, in other words. I 
was having trouble getting black with BO printing, which resolved 
itself went I had the right workflow.

> "The lack of black has nothing to do with the paper."
> 
> In my experience, it has EVERYTHING (almost) to do with the 
paper.
> 
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My old No-more-carts CIS for my 1160 finally needs replacing. Any
suggestions before I decide to build my own from MIS parts and my old unit?

James Haney

No, but the best reason for buying MIS is that they come with a 
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mark

PS  ...just a happy customer:)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, James Haney 
<jhaney@m...> wrote:
> 
> 
> My old No-more-carts CIS for my 1160 finally needs replacing. Any
> suggestions before I decide to build my own from MIS parts and my 
old unit?
> 
> James Haney