Digital BW, The Print

More to the point, considering the bad press to 2000P received; is a 2000P a bargain at $200 (or at any price)?

Chuck Peacock

I've been trying to sort this out myself... the price is soooo 
compelling and it would be nice to have an archival color printer to 
go with my quadtone 1160.  Anyone using a 2000p for color?  The bad 
press seemed more geared for glossy paper while I found good press 
with matte paper.  Anyone have more details?  If it is more an issue 
of Epson not telling people that the inks don't work with glossy 
papers it might be a minor point for me.  Hey, even the 2200 doesn't 
do great job on glossy paper IMO.

thanks,

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, cpeacock@c... 
wrote:
> More to the point, considering the bad press to 2000P received; is 
a 2000P a bargain at $200 (or at any price)?
> 
> Chuck Peacock

> From: Mark Hahn [mailto:markhahn2000@...]
>
> I've been trying to sort this out myself... the price is soooo
> compelling and it would be nice to have an archival color printer to
> go with my quadtone 1160.  Anyone using a 2000p for color?  The bad
> press seemed more geared for glossy paper while I found good press
> with matte paper.  Anyone have more details?  If it is more an issue
> of Epson not telling people that the inks don't work with glossy
> papers it might be a minor point for me.  Hey, even the 2200 doesn't
> do great job on glossy paper IMO.

It's got some metamerism problems, and although that's of course worst with
B&W images (using color ink), it shows up in color images, too. It's
probably best as a print engine for use with 3rd party inks.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Mark;

I guess it depends on what kind kind of color inks you are going to run 
with in the 2000p. With the Epson OEM inks the resulting prints suffer 
from major metamerism. That is the biggest fault I find with the 2000p.

- Jeff

On Friday, November 21, 2003, at 06:15 PM, Mark Hahn wrote:

> I've been trying to sort this out myself... the price is soooo
> compelling and it would be nice to have an archival color printer to
> go with my quadtone 1160.  Anyone using a 2000p for color?  The bad
> press seemed more geared for glossy paper while I found good press
> with matte paper.  Anyone have more details?  If it is more an issue
> of Epson not telling people that the inks don't work with glossy
> papers it might be a minor point for me.  Hey, even the 2200 doesn't
> do great job on glossy paper IMO.
>
> thanks,
>
> mark

>It's probably best as a print engine for use with 3rd party inks.
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco

Yes to third party inks...this is why I posted the Staples link. The 2000 with Epson inks 
suffer from the worse metraisum and I would not use Epson inks in this printer.

Here's links to see the dot comparison of six ink Epsons side by side:

http://www.silverace.com/dottyspotty/issue93.jpg

As you can see the 870 and 780 Epsons are touch smoother than the 2000.

BUT...when compared to the 1160 the 2000 is so much smoother: 

http://www.silverace.com/dottyspotty/issue92.jpg

But I'm getting beautiful dot free smooth prints from my 1160s with Piezotones and 
QTR.

If I didn't have two 1160s and two 1200s I would by a 2000.

John V.

cpeacock@... wrote:

>More to the point, considering the bad press to 2000P received; is a 2000P a bargain at $200 (or at any price)?
>
>  
>
It should make a nice machine for B&W MIS Quads...



 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," and caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
 
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

Two additional thoughts...

1)    The 1280 has a higher max resolution..


2)   You could potentially use  MediaStreet Gen 6 or MIS GP Archival  
Color Inks in the  2000P and profile to avoid most of the metamerism..

I'd probably still prefer a 1280 though..

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," and caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
 
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

the printer is actually good, it is maybe a little
slow. it was mostly the ink that was a problem, i
think it would make a very good quad printer.
je
--- "Editor P.O.V. Image Service"
<editor@...> wrote:
> cpeacock@... wrote:
> 
> >More to the point, considering the bad press to
> 2000P received; is a 2000P a bargain at $200 (or at
> any price)?
> >
> >  
> >
> It should make a nice machine for B&W MIS Quads...
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Keith Krebs
> 
> "Just some guy," and caretaker of the Multiverse's
> largest EPSON printer 
> User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets
> and MegaDodo 
> Publications), at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
>  
> "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to
> bang the rocks together 
> guys"
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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I had no problem with using my 2000P with Epson color inks --- got beautiful
prints.  B&W was another story though I never tried any 3rd party inks or
curves.  I have used Premium Luster, matte, and Epson's watercolor paper and
have been very pleased.  Though no warranty, my 2000P with good nozzle
checks and never a problem is going on EBay for $125 plus shipping.  Have
new 2200 and using older 1280 for B&W.  Anyone interested contact me
privately.

Barbara Woolner
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:15 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Staples has Epson 2000 refurbs for $199.00


> I've been trying to sort this out myself... the price is soooo
> compelling and it would be nice to have an archival color printer to
> go with my quadtone 1160.  Anyone using a 2000p for color?  The bad
> press seemed more geared for glossy paper while I found good press
> with matte paper.  Anyone have more details?  If it is more an issue
> of Epson not telling people that the inks don't work with glossy
> papers it might be a minor point for me.  Hey, even the 2200 doesn't
> do great job on glossy paper IMO.
>
> thanks,
>
> mark
>
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> > More to the point, considering the bad press to 2000P received; is
> a 2000P a bargain at $200 (or at any price)?
> >
> > Chuck Peacock
>
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it DOES make a nice machine for B&W with the MIS FSE five greys and
Generations 4 Black.

Browse the posts over the past week re: 'Epson Genius ...'
I have spent many hours tweaking a curve to optimize these inks with 
my 2000P. It is a  PictureWindows Tint curve. You also need, as I just 
found out, to test the Cyan and Magenta nozzle sets and select the one 
with the least microbanding - if any, and then install the inks 
accordingly. If anyone wishes to try, here is the Tint curve for the 
Cyan set. Install the greys as in my previous posting...

There is nearly an hour of effort for every ascii character. And maybe 
a few tweaks still left, but it works pretty well. Perhaps a team 
effort can finish it.......  It will print a 100 step greyscale 
without reversals and with visible gradients in each.

Colorline 1.0
ncolors 11
color 0 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000
transition 0 line rgb
color 1 0.0100 0.0941 0.0941 0.0941
transition 1 line rgb
color 2 0.0200 0.1294 0.1294 0.1294
transition 2 line rgb
color 3 0.0299 0.1529 0.1529 0.1529
transition 3 line rgb
color 4 0.0301 0.0706 0.1686 0.1686
transition 4 line rgb
color 5 0.0600 0.0902 0.2118 0.2118
transition 5 line rgb
color 6 0.1731 0.1098 0.2902 0.2902
transition 6 line rgb
color 7 0.1741 0.0314 1.0000 1.0000
transition 7 line rgb
color 8 0.3499 0.2510 0.9686 0.9686
transition 8 line rgb
color 9 0.3500 0.3137 0.3137 0.3137
transition 9 line rgb
color 10 1.0000 1.0000 1.0000 1.0000
end

Alex



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V.
Image Service" <editor@p...> > >

>
> It should make a nice machine for B&W MIS Quads...
>
> Keith Krebs
>
>

I imagine all the benefits of the 2000p are lost if
you are not printing large images.  Due to the latest
work of Paul - it would seem to be a better idea to
pick up a C82 while they are still available.




--- Mark Hahn <markhahn2000@...> wrote:
> I've been trying to sort this out myself... the
> price is soooo 
> compelling and it would be nice to have an archival
> color printer to 
> go with my quadtone 1160.  Anyone using a 2000p for
> color?  The bad 
> press seemed more geared for glossy paper while I
> found good press 
> with matte paper.  Anyone have more details?  If it
> is more an issue 
> of Epson not telling people that the inks don't work
> with glossy 
> papers it might be a minor point for me.  Hey, even
> the 2200 doesn't 
> do great job on glossy paper IMO.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> mark
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> cpeacock@c... 
> wrote:
> > More to the point, considering the bad press to
> 2000P received; is 
> a 2000P a bargain at $200 (or at any price)?
> > 
> > Chuck Peacock
> 
> 


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