Digital BW, The Print

Greetings.  I am about to order an Epson printer for quadtone B&W
printing.  I already have a decent enough inkjet for color, and an
Epson 2200 with ImagePrint RIP is outside of my budget.  I'm stuck
with Windows for the duration, so the free RIP's are not an option. 
My plan as it stands is to order an Epson 1280 and a set of preloaded
MIS UT2 cartridges.  If all goes well with those, then I was planning
on getting a set of virgin empty carts, a set of inks in 4oz bottles,
and the various accessories (syringes, chip resetter, etc) for
refilling them.  I think I would like to avoid the extra complexity of
a CFS system for the time being.

Anyhow, I am interested in hearing comments related your experiences
with this combination, and with refilling cartridges, both good and
bad.  Also, does anyone have any experiences, both good and bad, with
refurbished printers direct from Epson?  They have a nice deal going
on refurbished 1280's at the moment.

Rad

Rad,

> I think I would like to avoid the
> extra complexity of
> a CFS system for the time being.

I've done both - I used a continuous ink supply from
MIS for my 860.  It really wasn't difficult and set up
in about 20 minutes.  It was very convenient for
printing a large series of 7x17 inch images.  It was
also nice when I did not need to swap cartridges for a
year.

Currently I am refilling cartridges for my 1280, I
would say that it is much more of a hassle and time
consuming than using a CIS (and messy if you
accidentally drop your syringe).  However, I have been
using the printer to experiment with different inks to
find the right B&W combination for me, as well as
dropping in color cartridges if need be.

Bottom line, if you are going to use one inkset only,
use the CIS.  I would suggest starting with a
preloaded UT2 cart.  It gives a great amount of
flexibility and the quality is amazing.  If you like
the output, the extra cost of a CIS is no big deal.

> 
> Anyhow, I am interested in hearing comments related
> your experiences
> with this combination, and with refilling
> cartridges, both good and
> bad.  Also, does anyone have any experiences, both
> good and bad, with
> refurbished printers direct from Epson?  They have a
> nice deal going
> on refurbished 1280's at the moment.
> 
> Rad


I received a replcement 1280 which is in the same
category as a refurb directly from Epson. 
Unfortuately, it was much worse off than the one it
was meant to replace.  From an outward look, it
appeared to be heavily used.  I loaded and printed a
few images with the Piezography driver and it was not
up to the tolerances of the Plug-in.  In a bit of
inspiration, I used the OEM inks provided in the
refurb as cleaning carts for my original printer - and
that solved all of my problems.  

My biggest problem was this, I purchased a brand new
printer and babied it.  I used a total of 1.5 color
cartridges in it and it started mis-firing in the
black position.  To fix the problem, Epson sent me a
tired, old, and used printer to replace it.  It may be
a good deal from epson, but...

Don

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Radimus" 
<radimus@p...> wrote:
> Greetings.  I am about to order an Epson printer for quadtone B&W
> printing.  I already have a decent enough inkjet for color, and an
> Epson 2200 with ImagePrint RIP is outside of my budget.  I'm stuck
> with Windows for the duration, so the free RIP's are not an option. 
> My plan as it stands is to order an Epson 1280 and a set of 
preloaded
> MIS UT2 cartridges.  If all goes well with those, then I was 
planning
> on getting a set of virgin empty carts, a set of inks in 4oz 
bottles,
> and the various accessories (syringes, chip resetter, etc) for
> refilling them.  I think I would like to avoid the extra complexity 
of
> a CFS system for the time being.
> 
> Anyhow, I am interested in hearing comments related your experiences
> with this combination, and with refilling cartridges, both good and
> bad.  Also, does anyone have any experiences, both good and bad, 
with
> refurbished printers direct from Epson?  They have a nice deal going
> on refurbished 1280's at the moment.
> 
> Rad

Hi Rad,

First off you'll love the UT2 inkset.  The choices from cool to sepia 
are great and the ability to tweak the red and green curve for the 
neutral is lots of fun.  Paul's instructions are very easy to follow. 
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/  I've been refilling 1280 carts with 
VM, UT and UT2 for a while and, until recently, the process has gone 
smoothly.  Lately I've had problems with bad nozzle checks.  I 
wouldn't classify them as clogs as Epson Cartridges don't show that 
same problem.  I believe something has changed in my process which 
introduces air into the chambers.  A couple of messages prior I asked 
Paul Roark about refilling and he had some good advice.  
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/message/411
56  Once you do it a few times it's not bad at all.  Just get 
organized, go slow and put the right ink in the right chamber.  I 
have the 30cc size bottom fill syringes from MIS and they work well.  
The chip resetter from MIS doesn't fit the color carts like it's 
supposed to using the notched guides but you can eyeball the position 
of the contacts and make it work.  Reset the carts before you refill 
as you have to turn the cart upside down to see the LED easily on the 
resetter.  I gave up using the carts more than a few times as the 
foam removal procedure is a real hassle in my opinion.  I believe 
I've finally settled on the UT2 inkset so I'll save up for a CFS.  
I've had one on an old 870 printer with color dye ink and it's been 
trouble free for over two years.  The "No More Carts' version is the 
one I'll probably go with.  I'm not an expert by any means but let me 
know if I can help.

Good luck!

Tom

Rad,

The 1280 and UT2 with empty carts is exactly what I use.  

(Be aware that some ink will get on your fingers and the work area.  About
10% of chips are defective.  A few might not stay in place -- I just use a
piece of tape over the top half.  Be sure to rinse the parking pad if dyes
have ever been in the printer.  In fact, I think this might be a good idea
with any pigmented inkset as a regular maintenance procedure.  Get a small
tube to put on the end of a syringe to get Windex down to the pad.  Rotate
the geared wheel on the left to release the head lock and move the head to
out from over the pad.)

My old refurbished 1160 is still going.  The only problems it has had
related to re-using old CIS units -- they cost me a head replacement.  

I'd go for the refurbished 1280.

Enjoy.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

For UT2 information and settings see:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ 


_______________________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: Radimus [mailto:radimus@...] 
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:17 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Before I get started...

Greetings.  I am about to order an Epson printer for quadtone B&W
printing.  I already have a decent enough inkjet for color, and an
Epson 2200 with ImagePrint RIP is outside of my budget.  I'm stuck
with Windows for the duration, so the free RIP's are not an option. 
My plan as it stands is to order an Epson 1280 and a set of preloaded
MIS UT2 cartridges.  If all goes well with those, then I was planning
on getting a set of virgin empty carts, a set of inks in 4oz bottles,
and the various accessories (syringes, chip resetter, etc) for
refilling them.  I think I would like to avoid the extra complexity of
a CFS system for the time being.

Anyhow, I am interested in hearing comments related your experiences
with this combination, and with refilling cartridges, both good and
bad.  Also, does anyone have any experiences, both good and bad, with
refurbished printers direct from Epson?  They have a nice deal going
on refurbished 1280's at the moment.

Rad


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Thanks a bunch D, Tom, and Paul.

Another question regarding the CFS.  I've read through MIS's
instructions on installation and it looks quite doable.  However, on
occasion I've read reports of clogs from people who do not print all
that often.  Has this been the experience of others here?  I am
specifically insterested in experiences with CFS using MIS inks, UT
and UT2 in particular.  I've heard many gripes about the CIS system
for Piezo, but I don't plan to implement a Piezo system.

Rad

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Rad,
> 
> The 1280 and UT2 with empty carts is exactly what I use.  
> 
> (Be aware that some ink will get on your fingers and the work area.
 About
> 10% of chips are defective.  A few might not stay in place -- I just
use a
> piece of tape over the top half.  Be sure to rinse the parking pad
if dyes
> have ever been in the printer.  In fact, I think this might be a
good idea
> with any pigmented inkset as a regular maintenance procedure.  Get a
small
> tube to put on the end of a syringe to get Windex down to the pad. 
Rotate
> the geared wheel on the left to release the head lock and move the
head to
> out from over the pad.)
> 
> My old refurbished 1160 is still going.  The only problems it has had
> related to re-using old CIS units -- they cost me a head replacement.  
> 
> I'd go for the refurbished 1280.
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> For UT2 information and settings see:
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Radimus [mailto:radimus@p...] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:17 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Before I get started...
> 
> Greetings.  I am about to order an Epson printer for quadtone B&W
> printing.  I already have a decent enough inkjet for color, and an
> Epson 2200 with ImagePrint RIP is outside of my budget.  I'm stuck
> with Windows for the duration, so the free RIP's are not an option. 
> My plan as it stands is to order an Epson 1280 and a set of preloaded
> MIS UT2 cartridges.  If all goes well with those, then I was planning
> on getting a set of virgin empty carts, a set of inks in 4oz bottles,
> and the various accessories (syringes, chip resetter, etc) for
> refilling them.  I think I would like to avoid the extra complexity of
> a CFS system for the time being.
> 
> Anyhow, I am interested in hearing comments related your experiences
> with this combination, and with refilling cartridges, both good and
> bad.  Also, does anyone have any experiences, both good and bad, with
> refurbished printers direct from Epson?  They have a nice deal going
> on refurbished 1280's at the moment.
> 
> Rad
> 
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Rad,

So far, my UT2 has never clogged, but I only use
carts.  Previously I used MIS Full Spectrum in a CIS
that never clogged either - but that is a different
beast than UT2.

Don


--- Radimus <radimus@...> wrote:
> Thanks a bunch D, Tom, and Paul.
> 
> Another question regarding the CFS.  I've read
> through MIS's
> instructions on installation and it looks quite
> doable.  However, on
> occasion I've read reports of clogs from people who
> do not print all
> that often.  Has this been the experience of others
> here?  I am
> specifically insterested in experiences with CFS
> using MIS inks, UT
> and UT2 in particular.  I've heard many gripes about
> the CIS system
> for Piezo, but I don't plan to implement a Piezo
> system.
> 
> Rad
> 


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Thanks, Don.  How often do you print and how long have you left the
printer sit idle, both with UT2 and your old FS CFS rig?

Rad

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "D. Hill"
<hill14701@y...> wrote:

> Rad,
> 
> So far, my UT2 has never clogged, but I only use
> carts.  Previously I used MIS Full Spectrum in a CIS
> that never clogged either - but that is a different
> beast than UT2.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> --- Radimus <radimus@p...> wrote:
> > Thanks a bunch D, Tom, and Paul.
> > 
> > Another question regarding the CFS.  I've read
> > through MIS's
> > instructions on installation and it looks quite
> > doable.  However, on
> > occasion I've read reports of clogs from people who
> > do not print all
> > that often.  Has this been the experience of others
> > here?  I am
> > specifically insterested in experiences with CFS
> > using MIS inks, UT
> > and UT2 in particular.  I've heard many gripes about
> > the CIS system
> > for Piezo, but I don't plan to implement a Piezo
> > system.
> > 
> > Rad
> > 
> 
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It depends - the UT2 I've only had for a few weeks. 
Other than getting it to fire correct when it was
first installed (it took three cleanings), I haven't
had to clean it yet.  However, I have gone a week
without printing with no ill effect.

The old full spectrum cis for my 860 was bulletproof -
up to a month without clogging.  However those prints
have already started fading...

Don


--- Radimus <radimus@...> wrote:
> Thanks, Don.  How often do you print and how long
> have you left the
> printer sit idle, both with UT2 and your old FS CFS
> rig?
> 
> Rad


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Thanks, Alan.  Does anyone happen to know what the shelf life is for
MIS UT2 inks?  I don't print that much now, but after thinking about
it I think most of the reason for that is cost.  With the HP printer I
have supplies cost a lot more.  So how knows.  I might print a lot
more with a CFS and when I'm using Epson EEM paper at less than half
the cost of HP Premium Photo.

Rad

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Alan Zinn
<AZinn@n...> wrote:
> Rad,
> 
> I had CIS on both a hex and quad machine. They worked fairly well with 
> intermittent use without clogs for a year or so - then I started
having a 
> lot of "mystery" clogs on the hex K. Turns out the ink had gone bad and 
> formed a goo blob inside the bottle.  The lesson for me was that ALL
ink 
> systems can have goo problems if not used with fresh inks - that is
within 
> their recommended shelf life.  I decided that for the amount of inks
I use 
> re-filling was not a big deal and I would be more attentive to the 
> condition of the carts and the inks.  Follow Paul's excellent hints for 
> refilling below and it is a snap.  I tend to get in a hurry and
sloppy and 
> get air bubbles. I fill two sets of carts to have one in reserve
that has 
> rested.  There is a top-off refill system on my web page that may be an 
> acceptable compromise: http://www.panoramacamera.us/m_topoff.html
> 
> AZ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 02:45 AM 2/2/04 +0000, you wrote:
> >Thanks a bunch D, Tom, and Paul.
> >
> >Another question regarding the CFS.  I've read through MIS's
> >instructions on installation and it looks quite doable.  However, on
> >occasion I've read reports of clogs from people who do not print all
> >that often.  Has this been the experience of others here?  I am
> >specifically insterested in experiences with CFS using MIS inks, UT
> >and UT2 in particular.  I've heard many gripes about the CIS system
> >for Piezo, but I don't plan to implement a Piezo system.
> >
> >Rad
> >
> >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> ><paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > Rad,
> > >
> > > The 1280 and UT2 with empty carts is exactly what I use.
> > >
> > > (Be aware that some ink will get on your fingers and the work area.
> >  About
> > > 10% of chips are defective.  A few might not stay in place -- I just
> >use a
> > > piece of tape over the top half.  Be sure to rinse the parking pad
> >if dyes
> > > have ever been in the printer.  In fact, I think this might be a
> >good idea
> > > with any pigmented inkset as a regular maintenance procedure.  Get a
> >small
> > > tube to put on the end of a syringe to get Windex down to the pad.
> >Rotate
> > > the geared wheel on the left to release the head lock and move the
> >head to
> > > out from over the pad.)
> > >
> > > My old refurbished 1160 is still going.  The only problems it
has had
> > > related to re-using old CIS units -- they cost me a head
replacement.

> > >
> > > I'd go for the refurbished 1280.
> > >
> > > Enjoy.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > > For UT2 information and settings see:
> > > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/
> >
> >
> 
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Thanks, Don.

Rad

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "D. Hill"
<hill14701@y...> wrote:

> It depends - the UT2 I've only had for a few weeks. 
> Other than getting it to fire correct when it was
> first installed (it took three cleanings), I haven't
> had to clean it yet.  However, I have gone a week
> without printing with no ill effect.
> 
> The old full spectrum cis for my 860 was bulletproof -
> up to a month without clogging.  However those prints
> have already started fading...
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> --- Radimus <radimus@p...> wrote:
> > Thanks, Don.  How often do you print and how long
> > have you left the
> > printer sit idle, both with UT2 and your old FS CFS
> > rig?
> > 
> > Rad
> 
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I have another question regarding inks.  I've noticed from following
the list that Eboni seems to be the preferred ink for the black
position.  I am curious what the consensous is here regarding MIS
Photo Black instead of Eboni in the UT2 ink set.  At this point I have
no strong preference towards printing matte over glossy, or vice
versa.  I currently run mostly all glossy through my DeskJet for the
simple fact that HP Premium Photo glossy costs less than their Premium
Plus Matte.

Would there be any downside to going with Photo Black instead of Eboni
and print glossy and semi-gloss?

Rad

Rad,

I'm using the original CIS, not the CFS, in my 1280. Actually, I've got two
of them and just rotate between the two when I install new bottles. I've
been doing this for three years now, I believe. It saves a little time and I
haven't had any problems with installation other than the tubing getting
caught under the printhead in the beginning, but that was easily solved and
I suspect the design has been changed to alleviate this possibility.

I went through two sets of 4-ounce bottles of the MIS VM inks before
switching to the UT2 inks nearly a month ago. I had only occasional minor
problems with the VM inks clogging. So far the UT2 inks have been entirely
trouble-free with a moderate amount of printing--the ink levels are down
about 1/8-inch if that gives you any idea of how much I've printed since
installing the UT2 inks. I normally just leave the printer on all the time
and there have been periods of a few days when it wasn't used at all. I
haven't had to run a cleaning cycle yet.

So far, my impression of the UT2 inks is that they're fantastic. Definitely
an improvement over the VM inks.

Good luck!

[Thank you, Paul!]

Tom Keesling
Intelligent Design, Inc.

Rad,

I had CIS on both a hex and quad machine. They worked fairly well with 
intermittent use without clogs for a year or so - then I started having a 
lot of "mystery" clogs on the hex K. Turns out the ink had gone bad and 
formed a goo blob inside the bottle.  The lesson for me was that ALL ink 
systems can have goo problems if not used with fresh inks - that is within 
their recommended shelf life.  I decided that for the amount of inks I use 
re-filling was not a big deal and I would be more attentive to the 
condition of the carts and the inks.  Follow Paul's excellent hints for 
refilling below and it is a snap.  I tend to get in a hurry and sloppy and 
get air bubbles. I fill two sets of carts to have one in reserve that has 
rested.  There is a top-off refill system on my web page that may be an 
acceptable compromise: http://www.panoramacamera.us/m_topoff.html

AZ




At 02:45 AM 2/2/04 +0000, you wrote:
>Thanks a bunch D, Tom, and Paul.
>
>Another question regarding the CFS.  I've read through MIS's
>instructions on installation and it looks quite doable.  However, on
>occasion I've read reports of clogs from people who do not print all
>that often.  Has this been the experience of others here?  I am
>specifically insterested in experiences with CFS using MIS inks, UT
>and UT2 in particular.  I've heard many gripes about the CIS system
>for Piezo, but I don't plan to implement a Piezo system.
>
>Rad
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
><paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Rad,
> >
> > The 1280 and UT2 with empty carts is exactly what I use.
> >
> > (Be aware that some ink will get on your fingers and the work area.
>  About
> > 10% of chips are defective.  A few might not stay in place -- I just
>use a
> > piece of tape over the top half.  Be sure to rinse the parking pad
>if dyes
> > have ever been in the printer.  In fact, I think this might be a
>good idea
> > with any pigmented inkset as a regular maintenance procedure.  Get a
>small
> > tube to put on the end of a syringe to get Windex down to the pad.
>Rotate
> > the geared wheel on the left to release the head lock and move the
>head to
> > out from over the pad.)
> >
> > My old refurbished 1160 is still going.  The only problems it has had
> > related to re-using old CIS units -- they cost me a head replacement.
> >
> > I'd go for the refurbished 1280.
> >
> > Enjoy.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> > For UT2 information and settings see:
> > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/
>
>


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Thanks a bunch for your input, Tom.

Rad

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Keesling"
<tom.keesling@a...> wrote:
> Rad,
> 
> I'm using the original CIS, not the CFS, in my 1280. Actually, I've
got two
> of them and just rotate between the two when I install new bottles. I've
> been doing this for three years now, I believe. It saves a little
time and I
> haven't had any problems with installation other than the tubing getting
> caught under the printhead in the beginning, but that was easily
solved and
> I suspect the design has been changed to alleviate this possibility.
> 
> I went through two sets of 4-ounce bottles of the MIS VM inks before
> switching to the UT2 inks nearly a month ago. I had only occasional
minor
> problems with the VM inks clogging. So far the UT2 inks have been
entirely
> trouble-free with a moderate amount of printing--the ink levels are down
> about 1/8-inch if that gives you any idea of how much I've printed since
> installing the UT2 inks. I normally just leave the printer on all
the time
> and there have been periods of a few days when it wasn't used at all. I
> haven't had to run a cleaning cycle yet.
> 
> So far, my impression of the UT2 inks is that they're fantastic.
Definitely

> an improvement over the VM inks.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> [Thank you, Paul!]
> 
> Tom Keesling
> Intelligent Design, Inc.