Digital BW, The Print

I print both b/w and color images, and I'm considering a "spyder" or 
similar monitor calibration device. Has anyone had experience with 
these devices for b/w printing or have any suggestions?
Thanks,
Ericka Menchen

based on recommendations on this thread, I recently purchased the 
Eye-One Display calibration hardware and software from GretagMacBeth.

http://www.i1color.com/products/i1_display.asp

It was easy to install and use, and the results are very good. I have an 
el Cheapo LCD monitor and for the life of me I could never get it 
calibrated. I actually thought that with my monitor it wasn't going to 
be possible to see distinction in each of the steps on the 21 step 
grayscale wedge.

After running the Eye-One "Match" software (which comes with the 
"Display" package), I am now seeing clear distinction between each step 
on the wedge, and my color and B&W images on my monitor look 100 times 
"better" (I know.... "better" is a hard word to quantify)...

As an aside.. I don't know which packaging came first, the Apple iPod or 
the GretagMacbeth Eye-One Display... but whichever one came second 
should be ashamed of itself.

m

Ericka Menchen wrote:

> I print both b/w and color images, and I'm considering a "spyder" or
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> Thanks,
> Ericka Menchen
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I don't know how much of a recommendation I'm really giving here, but 
my friend brought his Monaco Systems thing over and calibrated my 
monitor and it came out quite good, especially for b&w.  I have to 
get him out again to build a "night" profile for me as well.  No 
matter how dark you think your digital darkroom is, the chances are 
that there are differences between day and night.  No matter what you 
use make sure you make at least two profiles... it will save you a 
lot of headaches to do it right away.

mark

...
> > I print both b/w and color images, and I'm considering a "spyder" 
or
> > similar monitor calibration device. Has anyone had experience with
> > these devices for b/w printing or have any suggestions?
> > Thanks,
> > Ericka Menchen
...

Ericka, I use the SpyderPro and it works fine.  Easy to use and it showed
that my "visual" calibration was off about a mile.  I thought I had a fair
match with the Pantone color formula guide, but it was a cruel joke.
Phosphors and reflected light just don't equate.  All told, a very
well-spent $229. I don't have an LCD monitor, except one that I use on
another PC for bizness, but a quick read of the manual indicates a number of
the advanced functions don't work on LCD's.  Someone else may be able to
comment more fully on this.

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ericka Menchen [mailto:ericka_akcire@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:25 PM
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> I print both b/w and color images, and I'm considering a 
> "spyder" or similar monitor calibration device. Has anyone 
> had experience with these devices for b/w printing or have 
> any suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Ericka Menchen
> 
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From: Mike Sommers [mailto:mike@...] 
Sent: 24 February 2004 21:54
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Monitor Calibration


After running the Eye-One "Match" software (which comes with the 
"Display" package), I am now seeing clear distinction between each step 
on the wedge, and my color and B&W images on my monitor look 100 times 
"better" (I know.... "better" is a hard word to quantify)...
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Richard


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With Simulate Paper White checked BOTH papers will match without changing
white point - if your white point matches the viewing conditions.  This is
the whole point of it.  You don't change your white point for the paper but
for the viewing condition.

> From: Seth <seth@...>

> A non-brightened, slightly warm paper will match better (here) on a
> D50/5000-K screen.  But, white, OBA papers look better on a 6500-K screen.

I have a Dell 17 inch flat panal analog monitor. That is what Dell 
calls it in my paperwork. Am I correct that this is not LCD? Do I 
calibrate this with Huey or Express 2? I want to get the right thing 
and get a good calibration. Thanks.

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:53:17 -0000, "coneyislandjim"
<coneyislandjim@yahoo.com> had a flock of green cheek conures squawk
out:

>I have a Dell 17 inch flat panal analog monitor. That is what Dell 
>calls it in my paperwork. Am I correct that this is not LCD? Do I 
>calibrate this with Huey or Express 2? I want to get the right thing 
>and get a good calibration. Thanks.

An LCD monitor is only an inch or two thick.  The only other monitor
type is a CRT, which is larger.

Stephen
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It is a LCD but not a digital LCD.

On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:53 PM, coneyislandjim wrote:

> I have a Dell 17 inch flat panal analog monitor. That is what Dell
> calls it in my paperwork. Am I correct that this is not LCD? Do I
> calibrate this with Huey or Express 2? I want to get the right thing
> and get a good calibration. Thanks.
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I can't speak to the color calibration but if your
monitor is more than a 3" or 4" thick it definitely is
not an LCD.

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You may find the model number on the back of the monitor.  You could 
then look up the specs on the Dell website's support pages.

I also have an older Dell flat panel monitor -- a Model 1704FVP.  It is 
an LCD.  I calibrated it with a Pantone Spyder sensor, which is a very 
handy thing to have.

All the best,

Craig Roberts
Washington, DC

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> I have a Dell 17 inch flat panal analog monitor. That is what Dell 
> calls it in my paperwork. Am I correct that this is not LCD? Do I 
> calibrate this with Huey or Express 2? I want to get the right thing 
> and get a good calibration. Thanks.


It's a LCD but it runs on the VGA analogue signal, not the superior DVI digital signal.