Digital BW, The Print

Anybody using the new MIS EZ inks in their C82 happy with the 
results?   I've been using the original MIS inks in my trusty Epson 
860 with the original R9 software.  Was thinking of switching, but 
was not sure if I would like the results.

I have experience with the 860 and the C84 - so my
comments should apply.

My first quadtone experience was an epson 860 with the
piezography driver.  Due to piezo manufacturing
problems, I switched to the MIS FS inkset and was
quite pleased with the results.  I still believe that
the 1160/860 printers with the R9 driver give
excellent results.  I did have an epson 1280 that ran
both the Piezo and UT2 inks as well as printing black
only - but I prefer the look of the 1160/860 Piezo
prints above the other solutions.

The c84 and the MIS EZ black and white are an
excellent combination.  However, the output is quite
different than that of your piezography printer.  The
best explanation of the prints is that they are a
superior version of black only prints from a 1280. 
This being said because the print is very smooth, but
you can detect a certain level of dots within the
highlights (at very close range).  The prints are
extremely smooth, and the color is very pleasing.  I
am using the original black cartridge from Epson, I
imagine as soon as I switch to Eboni the prints will
still be excellent.

Personally I believe that the 860/R9 is a better
combination because of the highlights.  However, to
the C84's benefit the prints exactly match what's on
my screen.  It took a few test prints, but I am
printing WYSIWYG.  This is one of the difficulties
with the Piezography/R9 Driver.

Due to the advanced age of the 860, I would print with
that until it goes.  The C84 can be purchased new for
79 dollars (after rebate) and the CMY EZBW inks are
only 32.85 plus shipping (if you use the supplied
Epson black cartridge).  That's a grand total of
112.00 plus shipping for quadtone printing.  I can't
think of an easier or more cost effective method of
black and white printing (except for black only, but
that technically is not quadtone).

As the c84 is a bare bones printer, I do get more
banding than with the higher priced models - but for
the price it can't be beat.

Don



--- lancscott <lancscott@...> wrote:
> Anybody using the new MIS EZ inks in their C82 happy
> with the 
> results?   I've been using the original MIS inks in
> my trusty Epson 
> 860 with the original R9 software.  Was thinking of
> switching, but 
> was not sure if I would like the results.
> 



	
		
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "D. Hill"
<hill14701@y...> wrote:
> I have experience with the 860 and the C84 - so my
> comments should apply.
> 

[snip]

> As the c84 is a bare bones printer, I do get more
> banding than with the higher priced models - but for
> the price it can't be beat.
> 

Would you say the C84 prints using the EZ BW inks are a lot
better than the C84 black only using the epson cartridge or
only a little better?

Thanks in advance,

Derry Bryson

I'd say that on the C84 the EZ inks are quite a bit better than the 
BO....
Ed

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Derry 
Bryson" <derry_bryson@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "D. 
Hill"

> <hill14701@y...> wrote:
> > I have experience with the 860 and the C84 - so my
> > comments should apply.
> > 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > As the c84 is a bare bones printer, I do get more
> > banding than with the higher priced models - but for
> > the price it can't be beat.
> > 
> 
> Would you say the C84 prints using the EZ BW inks are a lot
> better than the C84 black only using the epson cartridge or
> only a little better?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Derry Bryson

The original comment was removed which was:

The best explanation of the prints is that they are a
superior version of black only prints from a 1280.

The c84 black only prints are lousy.  Don't even
attempt that route unless you have a burning desire to
try it.  If you are familiar with 1280 and 2200 black
only prints, their output is very similar to that of
the C84 with EZBW inks.  

Side by side the C84/EZBW is much smoother and
superior to the Black Only prints, with better
highlight details.  However, with a close inspection
the details are quite rough or textured similar to
that of the BO prints.



--- edrudolpho <erudolph@...> wrote:
> I'd say that on the C84 the EZ inks are quite a bit
> better than the 
> BO....
> Ed



	
		
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Absolutely, the c84 BO is horrible.  With the MIS EZ
inks, the output is excellent - it truly is an easy
and cheap method of black and white printing.

I have not yet used the eboni cartridge, but I assume
the color will be a bit better and archival rating
will increase when I run out of the epson black. 
However the durabrite Epson black has a "good enough"
life expectancy, and they are available locally.

Don


> 
> Would you say the C84 prints using the EZ BW inks
> are a lot
> better than the C84 black only using the epson
> cartridge or
> only a little better?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Derry Bryson



	
		
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Been there (frustrated) on this same issue.

I couldn't agree more that BO printing on the C82 and C84 is 
terrible.

I had thought that my C82 was defective, so I picked up a C84.

But the C84 is only slightly better at BO printing (try the Matte 
Heavyweight setting on Matte paper).

Both these of these machines print way too fast in BO mode and 
microband like crazy.

But with the MIS ink in the C82 its a whole different beast.
I'm very impressed.

I still like BO prints from my 820, but prints from the C82 with the 
MIS inks are a lot smoother.

I'll be ordering a set for the C84 to try also.

Someday I'll get more expensive hardware, and be even more impressed.


Thanks.


David Polasek
dp4391@...






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "D. Hill" 
<hill14701@y...> wrote:

> Absolutely, the c84 BO is horrible.  With the MIS EZ
> inks, the output is excellent - it truly is an easy
> and cheap method of black and white printing.
> 
> I have not yet used the eboni cartridge, but I assume
> the color will be a bit better and archival rating
> will increase when I run out of the epson black. 
> However the durabrite Epson black has a "good enough"
> life expectancy, and they are available locally.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> > 
> > Would you say the C84 prints using the EZ BW inks
> > are a lot
> > better than the C84 black only using the epson
> > cartridge or
> > only a little better?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Derry Bryson
> 
>

> I still like BO prints from my 820, but prints from the C82 with the 
> MIS inks are a lot smoother.
> I'll be ordering a set for the C84 to try also. 
> Someday I'll get more expensive hardware, and be even more impressed.
> David Polasek

Epson has 890 refurbished printers at their Clearance Center for $129.00

I have one with UT2 inks - output is excellent. Been using Paul's curves but mostly Roy's 
QTR with awesome results.

Thanks John, that might be the best option for me.

I was very apprehensive about using any non-Epson ink (clogging, 
etc.) so the MIS EZ inks were a great way to cheaply `try out' a B&W 
solution.

Now that I'm comfortable with the idea of violating warranties etc. 
it might be the right time to go to the next level.

To anyone considering MIS inks, I would like to submit the following:

The EZ ink did clog more easily than the Epson Durabrite ink.
  -- It helps to print at least once / week.
But to be fair to MIS, my 820 with Epson inks loves to clog almost 
as much.


Thanks again.
David Polasek



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo" 
<jvlist@c...> wrote:

> 
> Epson has 890 refurbished printers at their Clearance Center for 
$129.00
> 
> I have one with UT2 inks - output is excellent. Been using Paul's 
curves but mostly Roy's 
> QTR with awesome results.

Thanks for the responses, you've convinced me to give the C84 a try. 
If anyone else is interested, newegg.com (I have no affiliation
whatsoever) has the C84's for $89 with free shipping and there is a
$20 rebate from Epson for a grand total of $69 delivered.

I was thinking of loading up the color cartridges and running some
test prints for direct comparison with the EZBW inks.  Would that be a
good idea or would I be better off putting the EZ cartridges in a
"virgin" printer?

Derry

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "D. Hill"
<hill14701@y...> wrote:

> Absolutely, the c84 BO is horrible.  With the MIS EZ
> inks, the output is excellent - it truly is an easy
> and cheap method of black and white printing.
> 
> I have not yet used the eboni cartridge, but I assume
> the color will be a bit better and archival rating
> will increase when I run out of the epson black. 
> However the durabrite Epson black has a "good enough"
> life expectancy, and they are available locally.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> > 
> > Would you say the C84 prints using the EZ BW inks
> > are a lot
> > better than the C84 black only using the epson
> > cartridge or
> > only a little better?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Derry Bryson
> 
> 
> 
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Derry,

Load the epson carts first - if for no other reason
than to know that your printer is indeed working.  The
durabrite inks and MIS EZ inks are compatible without
any cleaning voodoo rituals.  I experienced no clogs
or misfortune when using MIS EZN after printing with
the Durabrite inks.  

As the C84 is a lower model the tolerances are not as
high as say the 2200 or 4000.  My first C84 was DOA
straight from the box.

Don

--- Derry Bryson <derry_bryson@...> wrote:

> 
> I was thinking of loading up the color cartridges
> and running some
> test prints for direct comparison with the EZBW
> inks.  Would that be a
> good idea or would I be better off putting the EZ
> cartridges in a
> "virgin" printer?
> 
> Derry



	
		
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