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Opps! Hit the wrong key and may have double posted.  Excuse me.
Anyway, having read on this forum about the C84 for around $8 after rebates, and being 
without defenses against any deal that even remotely looks good, I went to Office Depot 
and did get a C84 but the clerk couldn't figure out one of the two $20 rebates.  The $50 
rebate and the other $20 rebate posed no problems.  Since even $28 for a good printer 
isn't outrageous, I bought one home.  My wife, who believes what she reads when it means 
$20 got on the phone to the Epson rebate center and soon got the other $20.  So, I'm 
$8.00 poorer and a C84 richer.  
Joe D

Joe nice work that putting your money where your mouth is. Hats off to your
wife, she stands on principles.

Charlie

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Joe Davajon [mailto:davajon@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 7:18 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] C84 for $8?


  Opps! Hit the wrong key and may have double posted.  Excuse me.
  Anyway, having read on this forum about the C84 for around $8 after
rebates, and being
  without defenses against any deal that even remotely looks good, I went to
Office Depot
  and did get a C84 but the clerk couldn't figure out one of the two $20
rebates.  The $50
  rebate and the other $20 rebate posed no problems.  Since even $28 for a
good printer
  isn't outrageous, I bought one home.  My wife, who believes what she reads
when it means
  $20 got on the phone to the Epson rebate center and soon got the other
$20.  So, I'm
  $8.00 poorer and a C84 richer.
  Joe D



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Will she take the other cases on commission?
:)
:)
:)

-Don

Susan Dennis wrote:
>Joe nice work that putting your money where your mouth is. Hats off to your
>wife, she stands on principles.

Joe Davajon wrote:
> Opps! Hit the wrong key and may have double posted.  Excuse me.
> Anyway, having read on this forum about the C84 for around $8 after rebates, and being 
> without defenses against any deal that even remotely looks good, I went to Office Depot 
> and did get a C84 but the clerk couldn't figure out one of the two $20 rebates.  The $50 
> rebate and the other $20 rebate posed no problems.  Since even $28 for a good printer 
> isn't outrageous, I bought one home.  My wife, who believes what she reads when it means 
> $20 got on the phone to the Epson rebate center and soon got the other $20.  So, I'm 
> $8.00 poorer and a C84 richer.  
> Joe D

At this rate we will see the first free C84 deal before the weekend.

Ernst

Ernst Dinkla wrote:
> > isn't outrageous, I bought one home.  My wife, who believes what she 
> reads when it means
> > $20 got on the phone to the Epson rebate center and soon got the other 
> $20.  So, I'm
> > $8.00 poorer and a C84 richer.
> > Joe D
>
>At this rate we will see the first free C84 deal before the weekend.
>
>Ernst


Ernst, this is just proof that sometimes life is funnier than fiction:
http://www.edealinfo.com/DDCateg/printers.shtml#040612D1

Buy an HP printer, get 11 bucks back.
:-)

I haven't checked the validity of all the components of that offer.

-Don

So, what is so exciting about this printer that everybody [or at
least a whole lot of people on this group] wants one?? Personally I
wouldn't get one even if it's free, if I would have a decent printer
at home... Am I missing something here?
Thanks,
Ara G.


--- Ernst Dinkla <E.Dinkla@...> wrote:
> Joe Davajon wrote:
> > Opps! Hit the wrong key and may have double posted.  Excuse me.
> > Anyway, having read on this forum about the C84 for around $8
> after rebates, and being 
> > without defenses against any deal that even remotely looks good,
> I went to Office Depot 
> > and did get a C84 but the clerk couldn't figure out one of the
> two $20 rebates.  The $50 
> > rebate and the other $20 rebate posed no problems.  Since even
> $28 for a good printer 
> > isn't outrageous, I bought one home.  My wife, who believes what
> she reads when it means 
> > $20 got on the phone to the Epson rebate center and soon got the
> other $20.  So, I'm 
> > $8.00 poorer and a C84 richer.  
> > Joe D
> 
> At this rate we will see the first free C84 deal before the
> weekend.
> 
> Ernst
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ara 
<rovision@y...> wrote:
> So, what is so exciting about this printer that everybody [or at
> least a whole lot of people on this group] wants one?? Personally I
> wouldn't get one even if it's free, if I would have a decent printer
> at home... Am I missing something here?
> Thanks,
> Ara G.

The C84 is indeed an unremarkable printer. It is noteworthy because 
MIS has an inkset available for the C84, called the "Easy B&W 
Ultratone" inkset, which allows for monochrome printing using a very 
simplified  workflow.

...Ben

Man, I was thinking all of this news about C84 was really wild until 
last night.  After a long day at work yesterday I stopped by my 
friendly neighborhood pub to have a beer, mind you I just had one 
beer, and headed home before it got too late, must have been around 1 
am.  On the way home I decided to take a long short-cut home to 
relax; mind you this is out in the middle of nowhere.  When all of a 
sudden I saw these bright lights come out from no where.  The light 
got so big and bright I had to pull over until it passed.  As it pass 
I noticed that it was a big giant Epson C84 printer, man was it BIG.  
On the back I noticed a sign that said, "Epson rules, an Epson 
printer in every household".  When I got home the FBI was waiting for 
me; they told me they had been conducting some holographic 
experiements in the area and that anything I might have seen was 
strickly an illusion and that I should go to bed a forget the whole 
matter.  When I went in and logged on to the internet, I started 
getting all of these pop-up messages on unreal deals for Epson C84 
printers, even though I have software that is supposed to prevent 
such things.

Well it has been a long day, think I better go get some sleep.
Randy

Sorry if I strayed from the topic of this forum, please forgive the 
diversion.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla 
<E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
> Joe Davajon wrote:
> > Opps! Hit the wrong key and may have double posted.  Excuse me.
> > Anyway, having read on this forum about the C84 for around $8 
after rebates, and being 
> > without defenses against any deal that even remotely looks good, 
I went to Office Depot 
> > and did get a C84 but the clerk couldn't figure out one of the 
two $20 rebates.  The $50 
> > rebate and the other $20 rebate posed no problems.  Since even 
$28 for a good printer 
> > isn't outrageous, I bought one home.  My wife, who believes what 
she reads when it means 
> > $20 got on the phone to the Epson rebate center and soon got the 
other $20.  So, I'm 

> > $8.00 poorer and a C84 richer.  
> > Joe D
> 
> At this rate we will see the first free C84 deal before the weekend.
> 
> Ernst

...thank you for your prompt reply! But, this implies that the
quality of photo prints would be equal to those obtained using a
higher end, photo dedicated Epson printers?

Ara G.


--- tynmansystems <tynmansystems@...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ara 
> <rovision@y...> wrote:
> > So, what is so exciting about this printer that everybody [or at
> > least a whole lot of people on this group] wants one?? Personally
> I
> > wouldn't get one even if it's free, if I would have a decent
> printer
> > at home... Am I missing something here?
> > Thanks,
> > Ara G.
> 
> The C84 is indeed an unremarkable printer. It is noteworthy because
> 
> MIS has an inkset available for the C84, called the "Easy B&W 
> Ultratone" inkset, which allows for monochrome printing using a
> very 
> simplified  workflow.
> 
> ...Ben
> 


	
		
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Hi!

 

 

Well, I read your mail and thought US$8 for a fairly good inkjet is great!

I thought of buying one myself.

Even with shipping costs and all, I thought it might be worth buying it
through Office Depot!

However, I cannot understand all the rebates you are talking about; I mean
50+20+20 is great, but how and by what means?

Could you shed some light on that one for me?!

Also, can you guide me as to how I can get it through Office Depot the way
you got it?

 

Sorry for bothering you.

Awaiting Help! :-).

 

 

Thanking You

With Regards

 

Paresh Pandit

Mumbai, IN

Wednesday, June 09, 2004

 

  _____  

From: Joe Davajon [mailto:davajon@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 4:48 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] C84 for $8?

 

Having read on this forum about the C84 for around $8 after rebates, and
being without defenses against any deal that even remotely looks good, 

I went to Office Depot and did get a C84 but the clerk couldn't figure out
one of the two $20 rebates.  

The $50 rebate and the other $20 rebate posed no problems.

Since even $28 for a good printer isn't outrageous, I bought one home.  

My wife, who believes what she reads when it means $20 got on the phone to
the Epson rebate center and soon got the other $20. 

So, I'm $8.00 poorer and a C84 richer.  


Joe D 

 

 



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Paresh R. Pandit [India] wrote:
>
>
>Also, can you guide me as to how I can get it through Office Depot the way
>you got it?
>
>
>
>Sorry for bothering you.
>
>Awaiting Help! :-).

You would have to have someone in the US buy it and collect the 
rebates.  The rebates do not apply outside of the US.

-Don M

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ara 
<rovision@y...> wrote:
> ...thank you for your prompt reply! But, this implies that the
> quality of photo prints would be equal to those obtained using a
> higher end, photo dedicated Epson printers?
> 
> Ara G.


For monochrome, quad printing (I believe limited to 8"x10"), yes I 
would think the C84 would be equal to the higher-end Epson photo 
printers, such as the 1280 or 2200.

IMHO, the higher-end printers (with 6 or more colors), are superior 
for color work. The lowly (and discontinued) Epson 1160 (4-color) is 
still a favorite for monochrome printing.
...Ben

Ara wrote:
>...thank you for your prompt reply! But, this implies that the
>quality of photo prints would be equal to those obtained using a
>higher end, photo dedicated Epson printers?
>
>Ara G.

I can't speak from experience yet.  Hopefully soon!
Let me repost something I saved from this forum, posted by Matthew Born:

BEGIN REPOST:
I picked up a C82 when Paul first made the EZ ink set. My plan then was to
use it for the occasional glossy print using the photo K ink. I'd been using
UT in my 1280 for matte prints, my primary need, for a while. Paul then
reported he'd gotten nice prints in the C82 using the EZ color inks along
with the original Epson 'durabrite' black ink. These prints would be less
archival, of course (vs. the full EZ set), but I had no intention of selling
prints off this machine, so I was intrigued. (And in truth the durabrite
inks should be a big step up from regular dyes anyway -- I'd expect these
prints to last a while under proper circumstances.) I figured it wouldn't
cost anything to try this combo and -- if it worked -- I'd have a nifty
little printer that could print on both glossy and matte. (Of course, this
has all been superceded by UT2 and Paul's curves which permit printing on
both surfaces with the Eboni black anyway...thus, my C82 is almost never
used anymore). However, I gotta say -- that combination in the C82 produces
mind-bogglingly good prints. To think Epson claimed the 2200 would make B&W
prints out of the box...the C82 with that ink combination kicks it to the
curb, calls it names, and pours hot coffee over its head. In fact, I can
only just barely see the difference between it and the 1280, at least with
the durabrite K in there. All for about $125, including the EZ ink purchase.
And with zero experimentation on my part.

I've thought about trying the media setting changes to see if I can detect
any dmax difference on the C82 (re: under printing w/color) but have not
done so. I'll try it today. Of course, I am still using the durabrite K in
there, so I dunno how my results are skewed anyway. If I recall the
conversations back then correctly, I'm getting a little better dmax from the
durabrite black as it is.

As for other papers, the only things I've run through it are EEM, photo rag,
Epson Premium semigloss, and Ilford pearl. All have fed and printed
perfectly. And even though it sits literally for two or three weeks without
use it never clogs.

IMHO, this should absolutely be the break-in way to digital B&W for almost
everyone. For lots and lots of people they'll never need anything more. It's
painfully easy and the results are amazing -- no qualifications, either --
just plain first-rate.

And I must once again thank Paul Roark for his tireless work and astonishing
generosity. The joy of photography has returned for me because the digital
workflow actually works now...I shoot film, process it, scan it, and print
using UT inks. Step four had been the obstacle for a long time. No longer is
A&I siphoning off my son's college fund...

Matthew Born

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ara 
<rovision@y...> wrote:
>> ... But, this implies that the
>> quality of photo prints would be equal to those obtained using a
>> higher end, photo dedicated Epson printers?
> 

Matthew wrote:

>For monochrome, quad printing (I believe limited to 8"x10"), yes I 
>would think the C84 would be equal to the higher-end Epson photo 
>printers, such as the 1280 or 2200.

...

The hextone printers have somewhat less dense dots than the C82 or C84.
That is, the hextone printers are very slightly smoother in the highlights.


The C82 & C84 have smoothness that is essentially the same as the high-end
UltraChrome printers (2200, 7600 and 9600) using the Image Print RIP,
according to my tests.  Not bad for a $70 (plus or minus whatever) printer.
No printer can make a more archival print than the C82 or C84 using the MIS
EZ inks and a good cotton paper, like Epson PremierArt matte Scrapbook
paper.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

It is through officedeopt.com. to bad that office
depot does not list that printer on their web site.

--- Don M <don@...> wrote:
> Ernst Dinkla wrote:
> > > isn't outrageous, I bought one home.  My wife,
> who believes what she 
> > reads when it means
> > > $20 got on the phone to the Epson rebate center
> and soon got the other 
> > $20.  So, I'm
> > > $8.00 poorer and a C84 richer.
> > > Joe D
> >
> >At this rate we will see the first free C84 deal
> before the weekend.
> >
> >Ernst
> 
> 
> Ernst, this is just proof that sometimes life is
> funnier than fiction:
>
http://www.edealinfo.com/DDCateg/printers.shtml#040612D1
> 
> Buy an HP printer, get 11 bucks back.
> :-)
> 
> I haven't checked the validity of all the components
> of that offer.
> 
> -Don
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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FWIW, I went to one of my local Office Depots this afternoon to get a Canon 
inkjet (i560) with their $20 and $50 off deals.  Their web site says 
they're out of stock and you can't add one to the cart on line, but the 
store had a half dozen of them on hand and gave me $20 off at the register 
with the coupon code number posted early on in this thread.  The store also 
had several of the Epson C84 printers on hand, but since I wasn't sure that 
the $50 rebate was available on that one (the store clerk checked their on 
line rebate database from his terminal and said the C84 was NOT included, 
as I had been told by customer service yesterday on their 1-800 number - I 
do understand others have received the opposite advice from Office Depot) I 
went with the Canon.  Net cost to me will be about $34, about $6 of which 
is sales tax.  It will go to college with my daughter in the fall.  I will 
be able to fill C, M and Y cartridges with Goodies ink and save her a bit 
on the color inks, but the black is a special pigmented ink in a fat cart 
that we will probably have to replace retail.  Oh well . . .

If I could have been sure that the C84 would qualify for the $90 of total 
discounts and rebates I would have bought one just to play with the MIS EZ 
inks, but since I already have Lyson Quads in a Canon 9000 and MIS UT Eboni 
in an Epson 860 to play with black only, I didn't feel like spending over 
$60 for another printer.  Maybe somebody else will run a super special on 
it sometime again.

Cheers,
Kip

At 6/9/2004 07:45 PM -0700, you wrote:
>It is through officedeopt.com. to bad that office
>depot does not list that printer on their web site.

Don,
  I have a c82 and appreciate your remarks. However, I do not feel
that I could acheive your results without additional info. I have seen
many posts on this subject here and am still unclear what to order,
what ink slots to put it in.
 Do you feel your prints are "dotless" enough given the drop size of
the C82 vs newer printers?
  Can you please tell us precisely how you run the C82 to get these
results.
1. What inks do you put in each position
2. The precise names of the non-Epson papers you use
3. What you do to get your screen to match the print using, I presume,
Photoshop CS
4. What if any settings you change when you change papers

                          Thank you,

                        Stuart



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Don M <don@m...>
wrote:
> Ara wrote:
> >...thank you for your prompt reply! But, this implies that the
> >quality of photo prints would be equal to those obtained using a
> >higher end, photo dedicated Epson printers?
> >
> >Ara G.
> 
> I can't speak from experience yet.  Hopefully soon!
> Let me repost something I saved from this forum, posted by Matthew Born:
> 
> BEGIN REPOST:
> I picked up a C82 when Paul first made the EZ ink set. My plan then
was to
> use it for the occasional glossy print using the photo K ink. I'd
been using
> UT in my 1280 for matte prints, my primary need, for a while. Paul then
> reported he'd gotten nice prints in the C82 using the EZ color inks
along
> with the original Epson 'durabrite' black ink. These prints would be
less
> archival, of course (vs. the full EZ set), but I had no intention of
selling
> prints off this machine, so I was intrigued. (And in truth the durabrite
> inks should be a big step up from regular dyes anyway -- I'd expect
these
> prints to last a while under proper circumstances.) I figured it
wouldn't
> cost anything to try this combo and -- if it worked -- I'd have a nifty
> little printer that could print on both glossy and matte. (Of
course, this
> has all been superceded by UT2 and Paul's curves which permit
printing on
> both surfaces with the Eboni black anyway...thus, my C82 is almost never
> used anymore). However, I gotta say -- that combination in the C82
produces
> mind-bogglingly good prints. To think Epson claimed the 2200 would
make B&W
> prints out of the box...the C82 with that ink combination kicks it
to the
> curb, calls it names, and pours hot coffee over its head. In fact, I can
> only just barely see the difference between it and the 1280, at
least with
> the durabrite K in there. All for about $125, including the EZ ink
purchase.
> And with zero experimentation on my part.
> 
> I've thought about trying the media setting changes to see if I can
detect
> any dmax difference on the C82 (re: under printing w/color) but have not
> done so. I'll try it today. Of course, I am still using the
durabrite K in
> there, so I dunno how my results are skewed anyway. If I recall the
> conversations back then correctly, I'm getting a little better dmax
from the
> durabrite black as it is.
> 
> As for other papers, the only things I've run through it are EEM,
photo rag,
> Epson Premium semigloss, and Ilford pearl. All have fed and printed
> perfectly. And even though it sits literally for two or three weeks
without
> use it never clogs.
> 
> IMHO, this should absolutely be the break-in way to digital B&W for
almost
> everyone. For lots and lots of people they'll never need anything
more. It's
> painfully easy and the results are amazing -- no qualifications,
either --
> just plain first-rate.
> 
> And I must once again thank Paul Roark for his tireless work and
astonishing
> generosity. The joy of photography has returned for me because the
digital
> workflow actually works now...I shoot film, process it, scan it, and
print
> using UT inks. Step four had been the obstacle for a long time. No
longer is

> A&I siphoning off my son's college fund...
> 
> Matthew Born

Thank you Don, I will save this message for future referrence. Maybe
I'll try this wonder printer if it's so cheap these days!
Ara


--- Don M <don@...> wrote:
> Ara wrote:
> >...thank you for your prompt reply! But, this implies that the
> >quality of photo prints would be equal to those obtained using a
> >higher end, photo dedicated Epson printers?
> >
> >Ara G.
> 
> I can't speak from experience yet.  Hopefully soon!
> Let me repost something I saved from this forum, posted by Matthew
> Born:
> 


	
		
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