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Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-06-29 by Bill Schwab

Hello All,

I received the following letter today concerning a new opportunity 
for visual artists. While I have some problems with their business 
model, I thought others might still have an interest. 

Bill

www.billschwab.com


------------

We came across your website and we are very impressed with your 
artwork.  We would like to discuss a new opportunity with you.  
HotelArtGallery is a new concept which places limited edition fine 
art prints in high-end hotels and resorts. These hotels make the 
prints available for their guests to purchase. Thus, the hotel rooms 
become mini art galleries.

We are only contacting artists whose work we feel qualifies for our 
high standards and who might like to exhibit in this way.

We invite you to visit our site: http://www.HotelArtGallery.com.  
Please visit the "artist area" of the site to read more about how we 
work with artists.  

Thanks for your consideration. We hope to speak with you further 
about HotelArtGallery.

Sincerely, 
Carl Schneider 
http://www.HotelArtGallery.com

------------

Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-08 by teelions@yahoo.com

Hi

Has anybody tried this yet? The payouts appear to very small, but 
then again, it's a good place to get started and get noticed. Just 
tell them on your next gallery interview that your prints are hanging 
at a Marriott.

Terry
http://www.tlphoto.net


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Schwab" 
<wilschwab@y...> wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I received the following letter today concerning a new opportunity 
> for visual artists. While I have some problems with their business 
> model, I thought others might still have an interest. 
> 
> Bill
> 
> www.billschwab.com
> 
> 
> ------------
> 
> We came across your website and we are very impressed with your 
> artwork.  We would like to discuss a new opportunity with you.  
> HotelArtGallery is a new concept which places limited edition fine 
> art prints in high-end hotels and resorts. These hotels make the 
> prints available for their guests to purchase. Thus, the hotel 
rooms 
> become mini art galleries.
> 
> We are only contacting artists whose work we feel qualifies for our 
> high standards and who might like to exhibit in this way.
> 
> We invite you to visit our site: http://www.HotelArtGallery.com.  
> Please visit the "artist area" of the site to read more about how 
we 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> work with artists.  
> 
> Thanks for your consideration. We hope to speak with you further 
> about HotelArtGallery.
> 
> Sincerely, 
> Carl Schneider 
> http://www.HotelArtGallery.com
> 
> ------------

Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-08 by Carl Schneider

Terry,

I'm not sure what you would call "very small", but I will give you a
scenario and you can tell 
me if this looks small to you:

Hotel XYZ orders 400 limited edition prints of Image A.  These prints
are displayed in the 
hotel rooms with a retail price of $750.00 each.  In the first year,
50 of these prints are 
sold to hotel guests (a fairly conservative number).  Hotel XYZ keeps
35% of the purchase 
price and remits the remaining 65% ($24,375.00) to HotelArtGallery. 
This amount is split 
50/50 with the artist.  In other words, in this scenario, the artist
would receive $12,187.50 
in the first year from this one image in this one hotel. 

In addition, there remain 350 prints of Image A on display in the
hotel rooms of Hotel XYZ. 
These prints will continue to be sold to hotel guests in the coming
years.  If you multiply 
this scenario by many images (each with hundreds of prints), you can
see the kind of 
potential HotelArtGallery offers.

Regards,
Carl Schneider
http://www.HotelArtGallery.com




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, teelions@y...
wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Has anybody tried this yet? The payouts appear to very small, but 
> then again, it's a good place to get started and get noticed. Just 
> tell them on your next gallery interview that your prints are
hanging 
> at a Marriott.
> 
> Terry
> http://www.tlphoto.net
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Schwab" 
> <wilschwab@y...> wrote:
> > Hello All,
> > 
> > I received the following letter today concerning a new
opportunity 
> > for visual artists. While I have some problems with their
business 
> > model, I thought others might still have an interest. 
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > www.billschwab.com
> > 
> > 
> > ------------
> > 
> > We came across your website and we are very impressed with your 
> > artwork.  We would like to discuss a new opportunity with you.  
> > HotelArtGallery is a new concept which places limited edition
fine 
> > art prints in high-end hotels and resorts. These hotels make the 
> > prints available for their guests to purchase. Thus, the hotel 
> rooms 
> > become mini art galleries.
> > 
> > We are only contacting artists whose work we feel qualifies for
our 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > high standards and who might like to exhibit in this way.
> > 
> > We invite you to visit our site: http://www.HotelArtGallery.com.  
> > Please visit the "artist area" of the site to read more about how 
> we 
> > work with artists.  
> > 
> > Thanks for your consideration. We hope to speak with you further 
> > about HotelArtGallery.
> > 
> > Sincerely, 
> > Carl Schneider 
> > http://www.HotelArtGallery.com
> > 
> > ------------

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-09 by ellery

Carl

not to sound too untrusting but after Enron,  one can be put careful. 3
points:-

1. who cover losses of prints from room theft by guests who "accidentally"
assume that the prints are like the towel, the ash tray,the soap .... that
is going home as memento of the stay ?
2. transparency and timely of payments - hotel pays who long after sales ?
who does inventory and how regular of the prints ? when do we aka the
starving artist get paid ? on what frequencies are payments made quarterly,
monthly, ....
3. what happens should the hotel request for rotation out of displayed
prints say 1 to 3 months after they are installed.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Carl Schneider [mailto:mail@...]
  Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:20 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists


  Terry,

  I'm not sure what you would call "very small", but I will give you a
  scenario and you can tell
  me if this looks small to you:

  Hotel XYZ orders 400 limited edition prints of Image A.  These prints
  are displayed in the
  hotel rooms with a retail price of $750.00 each.  In the first year,
  50 of these prints are
  sold to hotel guests (a fairly conservative number).  Hotel XYZ keeps
  35% of the purchase
  price and remits the remaining 65% ($24,375.00) to HotelArtGallery.
  This amount is split
  50/50 with the artist.  In other words, in this scenario, the artist
  would receive $12,187.50
  in the first year from this one image in this one hotel.

  In addition, there remain 350 prints of Image A on display in the
  hotel rooms of Hotel XYZ.
  These prints will continue to be sold to hotel guests in the coming
  years.  If you multiply
  this scenario by many images (each with hundreds of prints), you can
  see the kind of
  potential HotelArtGallery offers.

  Regards,
  Carl Schneider
  http://www.HotelArtGallery.com



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-09 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

Who takes care of framing?

I don't want to suddenly be in the business of putting out up-front for 
the framing on a host of prints that may or may not sell.  Not to 
mention the obvious issue of  framing and display remaining consistent 
with both my work and the hotel decor..


 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

[Digital BW] Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-09 by Carl Schneider

ellery,

1. The only way I could see this business model working was for us to
handle all of the 
printing.  Otherwise, as you point out, there is simply too much
liability for the hotels to 
take on.  I don't see hotels agreeing to place 500 limited edition
prints, with a retail price 
of $1000 each, if they had to agree to be liable for $500,000.  By
handling the printing 
ourselves we can provide a replacement print to the hotels if one is
lost, damaged, or 
stolen.  By the way, our prints are secured to the walls with a
special security hanging 
system which makes it much more difficult to walk off with it.  Also,
what happens when a 
guest walks off with the bathrobe?  The hotel charges it to their
credit card.

2. Hotels report and pay quarterly, within 30 days after the end of
each quarter.  We report 
to and pay the artists quarterly.

3. The hotels can return the art anytime and request a replacement. 
They would have to 
pay a new license fee for the new art (which is split with the
artist).

Regards,
Carl Schneider
http://www.HotelArtGallery.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ellery"
<ellery@p...> wrote:
> Carl
> 
> not to sound too untrusting but after Enron,  one can be put
careful. 3
> points:-
> 
> 1. who cover losses of prints from room theft by guests who
"accidentally"
> assume that the prints are like the towel, the ash tray,the soap
.... that
> is going home as memento of the stay ?
> 2. transparency and timely of payments - hotel pays who long after
sales ?
> who does inventory and how regular of the prints ? when do we aka
the
> starving artist get paid ? on what frequencies are payments made
quarterly,
> monthly, ....
> 3. what happens should the hotel request for rotation out of
displayed
> prints say 1 to 3 months after they are installed.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Carl Schneider [mailto:mail@h...]
>   Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:20 AM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists
> 
> 
>   Terry,
> 
>   I'm not sure what you would call "very small", but I will give
you a
>   scenario and you can tell
>   me if this looks small to you:
> 
>   Hotel XYZ orders 400 limited edition prints of Image A.  These
prints
>   are displayed in the
>   hotel rooms with a retail price of $750.00 each.  In the first
year,
>   50 of these prints are
>   sold to hotel guests (a fairly conservative number).  Hotel XYZ
keeps
>   35% of the purchase
>   price and remits the remaining 65% ($24,375.00) to
HotelArtGallery.
>   This amount is split
>   50/50 with the artist.  In other words, in this scenario, the
artist
>   would receive $12,187.50
>   in the first year from this one image in this one hotel.
> 
>   In addition, there remain 350 prints of Image A on display in the
>   hotel rooms of Hotel XYZ.
>   These prints will continue to be sold to hotel guests in the
coming
>   years.  If you multiply
>   this scenario by many images (each with hundreds of prints), you
can
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>   see the kind of
>   potential HotelArtGallery offers.
> 
>   Regards,
>   Carl Schneider
>   http://www.HotelArtGallery.com
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Digital BW] Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-09 by Carl Schneider

Keith,

The hotels can frame the prints themselves or we will do it for them.
 The artist will never 
be responsible for covering the cost of framing.

Regards,
Carl Schneider
http://www.HotelArtGallery.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V.
Image Service" 
<editor@p...> wrote:
> Who takes care of framing?
> 
> I don't want to suddenly be in the business of putting out up-front
for 
> the framing on a host of prints that may or may not sell.  Not to 
> mention the obvious issue of  framing and display remaining
consistent 
> with both my work and the hotel decor..
> 
> 
>  
> Keith Krebs
> 
> "Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON
printer 
> User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
> Publications), at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
> and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
> "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks
together 
> guys"

Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-09 by teelions@yahoo.com

Hi Carl

Sorry. I was confused by the consignment price structure that is 
listed at the site:

08x10 $15
11x14 $35
16x20 $75

Where did it say that print would sell for $750? I didn't see that on 
the "ARTIST AREA" page. Or is it based on a picture to picture basis?
Thanks.

Terry



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Schneider" 
<mail@h...> wrote:
> Terry,
> 
> I'm not sure what you would call "very small", but I will give you a
> scenario and you can tell 
> me if this looks small to you:
> 
> Hotel XYZ orders 400 limited edition prints of Image A.  These 
prints
> are displayed in the 
> hotel rooms with a retail price of $750.00 each.  In the first year,
> 50 of these prints are 
> sold to hotel guests (a fairly conservative number).  Hotel XYZ 
keeps
> 35% of the purchase 
> price and remits the remaining 65% ($24,375.00) to HotelArtGallery. 
> This amount is split 
> 50/50 with the artist.  In other words, in this scenario, the artist
> would receive $12,187.50 
> in the first year from this one image in this one hotel. 
> 
> In addition, there remain 350 prints of Image A on display in the
> hotel rooms of Hotel XYZ. 
> These prints will continue to be sold to hotel guests in the coming
> years.  If you multiply 
> this scenario by many images (each with hundreds of prints), you can
> see the kind of 
> potential HotelArtGallery offers.
> 
> Regards,
> Carl Schneider
> http://www.HotelArtGallery.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, teelions@y...
> wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > Has anybody tried this yet? The payouts appear to very small, but 
> > then again, it's a good place to get started and get noticed. 
Just 
> > tell them on your next gallery interview that your prints are
> hanging 
> > at a Marriott.
> > 
> > Terry
> > http://www.tlphoto.net
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bill 
Schwab" 
> > <wilschwab@y...> wrote:
> > > Hello All,
> > > 
> > > I received the following letter today concerning a new
> opportunity 
> > > for visual artists. While I have some problems with their
> business 
> > > model, I thought others might still have an interest. 
> > > 
> > > Bill
> > > 
> > > www.billschwab.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------
> > > 
> > > We came across your website and we are very impressed with your 
> > > artwork.  We would like to discuss a new opportunity with you.  
> > > HotelArtGallery is a new concept which places limited edition
> fine 
> > > art prints in high-end hotels and resorts. These hotels make 
the 
> > > prints available for their guests to purchase. Thus, the hotel 
> > rooms 
> > > become mini art galleries.
> > > 
> > > We are only contacting artists whose work we feel qualifies for
> our 
> > > high standards and who might like to exhibit in this way.
> > > 
> > > We invite you to visit our site: 
http://www.HotelArtGallery.com.  
> > > Please visit the "artist area" of the site to read more about 
how 
> > we 
> > > work with artists.  
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your consideration. We hope to speak with you 
further 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > about HotelArtGallery.
> > > 
> > > Sincerely, 
> > > Carl Schneider 
> > > http://www.HotelArtGallery.com
> > > 
> > > ------------

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-09 by Janet Redhawk

--- Carl Schneider <mail@...> wrote:

  Also,
> what happens when a 
> guest walks off with the bathrobe?  The hotel
> charges it to their
> credit card.

NO, No they don't!
I used to work at the Ahwahnee Hotel in side Yosemite
National Park.  The room rates for the average rooms
in this place were $125 a night (1985), the Queen of
England stayed at this hotel.
We have people stealing blankets, head boards, chairs,
you name it - even if it was nailed down people stole
it.  We never charge 1 guest anything.


J


		
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Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-09 by Carl Schneider

Terry

Those are just our service fees for providing prints to hotels on a
consignment basis and 
they basically just cover our costs for printing.  The retail price
of each print is 
generally $450-$1450 and is listed on the detail page of each image.

Regards,
Carl Schneider
http://www.HotelArtGallery.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, teelions@y...
wrote:
> Hi Carl
> 
> Sorry. I was confused by the consignment price structure that is 
> listed at the site:
> 
> 08x10 $15
> 11x14 $35
> 16x20 $75
> 
> Where did it say that print would sell for $750? I didn't see that
on 
> the "ARTIST AREA" page. Or is it based on a picture to picture
basis?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Thanks.
> 
> Terry
> 
>

[Digital BW] Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-12 by Carl Schneider

Cort,

We will be setting up a dedicated black & white print station, using
quadtone inks.  We are 
currently in the process of researching the best method and work flow
for obtaining the 
highest quality black & white prints.  We are committed to producing
the best prints 
possible.  We are trying to decide between the Epson 4000 or
something like the 7000/
7600.  We are also looking into the best RIP software, etc. (we are
using Macs with OS 
10.3).

If anyone has any suggestions for the best system for a Mac we would
love to hear them.

Regards,
Carl Schneider
http://www.HotelArtGallery.com




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cort Anderson
<cort@t...> wrote:
> Carl,
> 
> Since you are doing the printing and this is a B&W list, how are
you 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> printing B&W images?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> cort
> 
> --
> Cort Anderson
> Training Wheels, llc
> www.trwheels.com
> 620-488-2960
> 620-488-3196 fax

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-12 by Tom Baker

Carl  -
 
You can' t take file that were put together to print on one system ("quadtone", Imageprint, etc.) and print them on a different system.  If you're going to do it right, you'll need at least three different systems.  If not, you're going to leave out some very good work, regardless of which system(s) you exclude.  
 
Another point:  You've got to get someone to do the prints that really understands the particular system they are printing on.  You're not going to have very good luck just getting inexperienced people to to the work.
 
You might be better of figuring out a way for the artist to do/supervise the printing.  You could still do the framing, but the critical control would still be with the artist.
 
Also, what are your print size limits (min and max)?
 
Tom Baker

Carl Schneider <mail@hotelartgallery.com> wrote:
Cort,

We will be setting up a dedicated black & white print station, using
quadtone inks. We are 
currently in the process of researching the best method and work flow
for obtaining the 
highest quality black & white prints. We are committed to producing
the best prints 
possible. We are trying to decide between the Epson 4000 or
something like the 7000/
7600. We are also looking into the best RIP software, etc. (we are
using Macs with OS 
10.3).

If anyone has any suggestions for the best system for a Mac we would
love to hear them.

Regards,
Carl Schneider
http://www.HotelArtGallery.com




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cort Anderson
wrote:
> Carl,
> 
> Since you are doing the printing and this is a B&W list, how are
you 
> printing B&W images?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> cort
> 
> --
> Cort Anderson
> Training Wheels, llc
> www.trwheels.com
> 620-488-2960
> 620-488-3196 fax




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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists

2004-07-12 by cordesign

I to am doing the same search as you and even though MIS is very good, I believe there are other companies that produce even better products.  One of them is the Sundance system with the Septone dottless RIP software.
Just my opinion,
Harn
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carl Schneider 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 8:09 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Potential Opportunity for Visual Artists


  Cort,

  We will be setting up a dedicated black & white print station, using
  quadtone inks.  We are 
  currently in the process of researching the best method and work flow
  for obtaining the 
  highest quality black & white prints.  We are committed to producing
  the best prints 
  possible.  We are trying to decide between the Epson 4000 or
  something like the 7000/
  7600.  We are also looking into the best RIP software, etc. (we are
  using Macs with OS 
  10.3).

  If anyone has any suggestions for the best system for a Mac we would
  love to hear them.

  Regards,
  Carl Schneider
  http://www.HotelArtGallery.com




  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cort Anderson
  <cort@t...> wrote:
  > Carl,
  > 
  > Since you are doing the printing and this is a B&W list, how are
  you 
  > printing B&W images?
  > 
  > thanks,
  > 
  > cort
  > 
  > --
  > Cort Anderson
  > Training Wheels, llc
  > www.trwheels.com
  > 620-488-2960
  > 620-488-3196 fax



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