Digital BW, The Print

i have a question regarding the set up of contrast and brightnes...

on the website (mis) it says the following

In Paul's latest comments on the C84 he recommends using the following... 

For Matte Papers - Use Best Photo, Color Controls On, Plain Paper,
Contrast -15, Brightness -5

For Epson Glossy Photo Paper - Use Best Photo, Color Controls On,
Glossy Photo Paper, Contrast -10


are we taking +15 contrast or -15 (minus) and the same question about brightness

TIA
 
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reagrds, mehrdad

I just set up a C84 with the EZ inks, and the numbers Paul suggests are 
MINUS numbers on both brightness and contrast sliders.  Personally, I 
thought my prints on EAM looked better at -10 contrast, but that's 
subjective.

I also found that I got visible banding in the very dark sections of images 
(95-100% black areas) when using these settings with EAM, which disappeared 
when I changed settings to Matte Heavyweight, High Speed and -0- brightness 
and contrast.  Anybody else notice this banding on their setups when using 
Paul's recommended settings?

Cheers,
Kip

At 7/24/2004 09:56 AM -0700, you wrote:

><snip>
>In Paul's latest comments on the C84 he recommends using the following...
>
>For Matte Papers - Use Best Photo, Color Controls On, Plain Paper,
>Contrast -15, Brightness -5
>
>For Epson Glossy Photo Paper - Use Best Photo, Color Controls On,
>Glossy Photo Paper, Contrast -10
>
>
>are we taking +15 contrast or -15 (minus) and the same question about 
>brightness

Yes, I too had problems with visible banding in dark areas of my 
prints on EEM (or it might have been Matte Paper Heavyweight, I 
don't remember) when using the "plain paper" setting.  When I 
changed to the Matte Heavyweight setting the banding disappeared.  
(I didn't change the recommended contrast or brightness settings.)

Epson has the C84 "color" inks "under-print" the black ink even in the 100%
patch with most of the papers except "Plain Paper."  Maybe this is the
difference between the paper types that you're seeing.   

The C84 I had was fine with "Plain Paper," but at the price they are
charging, I suspect they sell even the ones that might not be up what we'd
expect from a more expensive machine.   

I wonder if the units they effectively gave away were the same quality as
the others?  Since there appears to be a C86 (?) now (I have no information
on it), they may have just been blowing out the inventory.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: larryeastman@... [mailto:ldchait@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:59 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: c84 and mis ez driver setup

Yes, I too had problems with visible banding in dark areas of my 
prints on EEM (or it might have been Matte Paper Heavyweight, I 
don't remember) when using the "plain paper" setting.  When I 
changed to the Matte Heavyweight setting the banding disappeared.  
(I didn't change the recommended contrast or brightness settings.)




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Same here.

-Don

--- "larryeastman@..."
<ldchait@...> wrote:
> Yes, I too had problems with visible banding in
dark
> areas of my 
> prints on EEM (or it might have been Matte Paper
> Heavyweight, I 
> don't remember) when using the "plain paper"
> setting.  When I 
> changed to the Matte Heavyweight setting the
banding

> disappeared.  
> (I didn't change the recommended contrast or
> brightness settings.)

FWIW, I gathered the following info for another group - I called 
Epson USA and spoke with "John" in tech support who said he 
didn't know of any difference between the two models either 
except for the look/design. The printing speed, the Durabrite 
inks, the picoliter/droplet size, the paper sizes, the paper feeder - 
all the same. I asked about the ink cartridges and whether they 
were anything different, they're even the same cartridge SKUs.

Even their PR agency in San Jose confirmed the same info - the 
only thing new is a "New Photo Kit" - "New with the EPSON 
Stylus C66 and C86, customers will receive a photo kit for easy 
and convenient photo printing and crafting. Included with both 
printers are 20 sheets of photo paper, Epson Software(R) Film 
Factory(TM) for easy photo storage, printing and organization, as 
well as a free membership to Epson's exclusive photo craft and 
photo sharing Web sites, giving customers all the resources 
needed to start printing at home."

Don't even bother asking why they do this... Just buy the Epson
C84 and use the rebates with confidence, unless you absolutely
have to join the exclusive Epson photo craft and photo sharing
Web site! Those rebates won't last long, thru September, as the 
"new" model is out...
HTH,
Angela Silva
Berkeley, CA
 

Since there appears to be a C86 (?) now (I have no information

> on it), they may have just been blowing out the inventory.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com