QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-26 by wolarsky
Will QTR run on XP Home Edition or is the Professional version needed? Thanks, Evan
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QTR on XP Home Edition?
RE: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-26 by Paul Roark
Evan, I've been out of the loop for a while but just tried QTR on my XP Home, and it works fine. It's slow and the dmax is low for the EEM neutral curve supplied, but I'm going to try adjusting the ink load to see if that takes care of the latter problem. (I tried Image Print and found it was very slow also. I don't know if that is typical of third party RIPs or not.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com ________________________
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-----Original Message----- From: wolarsky [mailto:wolarsky@...] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:51 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition? Will QTR run on XP Home Edition or is the Professional version needed? Thanks, Evan Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-26 by Tom Baker
Paul - When you say IP and QTR are 'slow', what symptoms are you talking about? Tom Baker Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote: Evan, I've been out of the loop for a while but just tried QTR on my XP Home, and it works fine. It's slow and the dmax is low for the EEM neutral curve supplied, but I'm going to try adjusting the ink load to see if that takes care of the latter problem. (I tried Image Print and found it was very slow also. I don't know if that is typical of third party RIPs or not.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com ________________________
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-----Original Message----- From: wolarsky [mailto:wolarsky@...] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:51 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition? Will QTR run on XP Home Edition or is the Professional version needed? Thanks, Evan Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-26 by Josh Freeman
I too feel that it tool a long time to print an 8x10, but it is also printing at 1440 with what seems like unidirectional, and on a 2200 that takes awhile. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker <tbaker1328@s...> wrote: > Paul - > > When you say IP and QTR are 'slow', what symptoms are you talking about? > > Tom Baker > > Paul Roark <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Evan, > > I've been out of the loop for a while but just tried QTR on my XP Home, and > it works fine. It's slow and the dmax is low for the EEM neutral curve > supplied, but I'm going to try adjusting the ink load to see if that takes > care of the latter problem. (I tried Image Print and found it was very slow > also. I don't know if that is typical of third party RIPs or not.) > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > ________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: wolarsky [mailto:wolarsky@i...] > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:51 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition? > > Will QTR run on XP Home Edition or is the Professional version needed? > > Thanks, > > Evan > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. 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RE: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-26 by Paul Roark
Tom, >When you say IP and QTR are 'slow', what symptoms are you talking about? With QTR I've just printed the same test image (a test strip on a layer of an 8x10) with both QTR (a grayscale file) and the Epson driver (RGB file, curve applied, 1440, high speed off). The Epson driver took 142 seconds; QTR took 270 seconds. At Anderson Ranch they have IP6 for their 9600. I was amazed at how long it took to print one of my images. The staff there concurred that the program printed much slower than the Epson driver. I don't have the program myself, so I have not been able to quantify the difference. So, I have limited observations, and there may be variables that I'm not aware of, but it looks like the Epson driver might have an edge when it comes to speed. Paul www.PaulRoark.com ____________________________________ Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote: Evan, I've been out of the loop for a while but just tried QTR on my XP Home, and it works fine. It's slow and the dmax is low for the EEM neutral curve supplied, but I'm going to try adjusting the ink load to see if that takes care of the latter problem. (I tried Image Print and found it was very slow also. I don't know if that is typical of third party RIPs or not.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com ________________________
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-----Original Message----- From: wolarsky [mailto:wolarsky@...] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:51 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition? Will QTR run on XP Home Edition or is the Professional version needed? Thanks, Evan Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! 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RE: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-26 by Tom Baker
Paul - I haven't printed anything on my 9600 with the Epson drivers in over a year. But, as I recall, IP is slower than the Epson drivers. Especially if one is printing at 2880. When I upgraded my computer, I did not see any difference in prints speeds, so I believe the differences must be in the bit streams being sent to the printer. IP's may be quite a bit more complex. Tom Baker Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote: Tom, >When you say IP and QTR are 'slow', what symptoms are you talking about? With QTR I've just printed the same test image (a test strip on a layer of an 8x10) with both QTR (a grayscale file) and the Epson driver (RGB file, curve applied, 1440, high speed off). The Epson driver took 142 seconds; QTR took 270 seconds. At Anderson Ranch they have IP6 for their 9600. I was amazed at how long it took to print one of my images. The staff there concurred that the program printed much slower than the Epson driver. I don't have the program myself, so I have not been able to quantify the difference. So, I have limited observations, and there may be variables that I'm not aware of, but it looks like the Epson driver might have an edge when it comes to speed. Paul www.PaulRoark.com ____________________________________ Paul Roark wrote: Evan, I've been out of the loop for a while but just tried QTR on my XP Home, and it works fine. It's slow and the dmax is low for the EEM neutral curve supplied, but I'm going to try adjusting the ink load to see if that takes care of the latter problem. (I tried Image Print and found it was very slow also. I don't know if that is typical of third party RIPs or not.) Paul www.PaulRoark.com ________________________
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-----Original Message----- From: wolarsky [mailto:wolarsky@...] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:51 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition? Will QTR run on XP Home Edition or is the Professional version needed? Thanks, Evan Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! 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Re: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-26 by Richard Sintchak
I'm running QTR on WinXP Home Edition with no problems. I too notice it's a bit slower to print than the Epson driver but I figure the extra time must be QTR removing all that metamerism. ;-) Richard
Re: RE: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-27 by Alan.Huntley@cox.net
Paul/Tom, Back when I used QTR on my Mac (G4 - 450mhz) I found it to be about 50%, at least, slower than the Epson driver. If I remember correctly--been a couple of years--it was about 40 minutes to print ~A3 size! To be fair to QTR and Roy, I firmly believe the lack of speed was due to GIMP. Maybe the latest release of the GIMP drivers are faster...dunno...I use IP on Windoze, now. Alan Huntley
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> > From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...> > Date: 2004/08/26 Thu PM 04:05:24 EDT > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition? > > Paul - > > I haven't printed anything on my 9600 with the Epson drivers in over a year. But, as I recall, IP is slower than the Epson drivers. Especially if one is printing at 2880. When I upgraded my computer, I did not see any difference in prints speeds, so I believe the differences must be in the bit streams being sent to the printer. IP's may be quite a bit more complex. > > Tom Baker > > Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote: > Tom, > > >When you say IP and QTR are 'slow', what symptoms are you talking about? > > With QTR I've just printed the same test image (a test strip on a layer of > an 8x10) with both QTR (a grayscale file) and the Epson driver (RGB file, > curve applied, 1440, high speed off). The Epson driver took 142 seconds; > QTR took 270 seconds. > > At Anderson Ranch they have IP6 for their 9600. I was amazed at how long it > took to print one of my images. The staff there concurred that the program > printed much slower than the Epson driver. I don't have the program myself, > so I have not been able to quantify the difference. > > So, I have limited observations, and there may be variables that I'm not > aware of, but it looks like the Epson driver might have an edge when it > comes to speed. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > ____________________________________ > > Paul Roark > wrote: > Evan, > > I've been out of the loop for a while but just tried QTR on my XP Home, and > it works fine. It's slow and the dmax is low for the EEM neutral curve > supplied, but I'm going to try adjusting the ink load to see if that takes > care of the latter problem. (I tried Image Print and found it was very slow > also. 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Re: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-27 by Carl Schofield
There is a "Fast" dither option that can significantly reduce printing time without diminishing print quality. I don't know if this option is available in the PC version.
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On Friday, August 27, 2004, at 09:37 AM, Alan.Huntley@... wrote: > Paul/Tom, > > Back when I used QTR on my Mac (G4 - 450mhz) I found it to be about > 50%, at least, slower than the Epson driver. If I remember > correctly--been a couple of years--it was about 40 minutes to print > ~A3 size! To be fair to QTR and Roy, I firmly believe the lack of > speed was due to GIMP. Maybe the latest release of the GIMP drivers > are faster...dunno...I use IP on Windoze, now. > > Alan Huntley > >> >> From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...> >> Date: 2004/08/26 Thu PM 04:05:24 EDT >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition? >> >> Paul - >> >> I haven't printed anything on my 9600 with the Epson drivers in over >> a year. But, as I recall, IP is slower than the Epson drivers. >> Especially if one is printing at 2880. When I upgraded my computer, >> I did not see any difference in prints speeds, so I believe the >> differences must be in the bit streams being sent to the printer. >> IP's may be quite a bit more complex. >> >> Tom Baker >> >> Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote: >> Tom, >> >>> When you say IP and QTR are 'slow', what symptoms are you talking >>> about? >> >> With QTR I've just printed the same test image (a test strip on a >> layer of >> an 8x10) with both QTR (a grayscale file) and the Epson driver (RGB >> file, >> curve applied, 1440, high speed off). The Epson driver took 142 >> seconds; >> QTR took 270 seconds. >> >> At Anderson Ranch they have IP6 for their 9600. I was amazed at how >> long it >> took to print one of my images. The staff there concurred that the >> program >> printed much slower than the Epson driver. I don't have the program >> myself, >> so I have not been able to quantify the difference. >> >> So, I have limited observations, and there may be variables that I'm >> not >> aware of, but it looks like the Epson driver might have an edge when >> it >> comes to speed. >> >> Paul >> www.PaulRoark.com >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> Paul Roark >> wrote: >> Evan, >> >> I've been out of the loop for a while but just tried QTR on my XP >> Home, and >> it works fine. It's slow and the dmax is low for the EEM neutral curve >> supplied, but I'm going to try adjusting the ink load to see if that >> takes >> care of the latter problem. (I tried Image Print and found it was >> very slow >> also. I don't know if that is typical of third party RIPs or not.) >> >> Paul >> www.PaulRoark.com >> ________________________ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wolarsky [mailto:wolarsky@...] >> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:51 AM >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition? >> >> Will QTR run on XP Home Edition or is the Professional version needed? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Evan >> >> >> >> >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other >> resources as >> they are often being updated. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish >> to >> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this >> same >> page. >> >> Please follow these basic guidelines: >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to >> keep >> them short. >> - Good manners are required at all time. 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Re: QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-27 by Johnny Eades
Paul, I feel like I'm somehow defecting when I use QTR after all the work you have put into the curves for the MIS inks I use. I have tried QTR and do find the very low values to be better separated than with the curves. I know nothing about revising curves, and though their capability may be able to do the same, so I can't at this time adjust the curves to perform as QTR does. As far as dmax goes, I use primarily only two papers; both by Epson, HWmatte and EEMate; so I don't have a way of comparing dmax to other papers. I have found that checking "black" ink in proofing that I can see the lower values and their closeness of tone to mark the black point more accurately. Then I uncheck "black ink" and see it as it will print on the paper proofed. Still your friend in Photography, Johnny Eades --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > Evan, > > I've been out of the loop for a while but just tried QTR on my XP Home, and > it works fine. It's slow and the dmax is low for the EEM neutral curve > supplied, but I'm going to try adjusting the ink load to see if that takes > care of the latter problem.
Re: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-27 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: snip... >...The Epson driver took 142 seconds; > QTR took 270 seconds. > > At Anderson Ranch they have IP6 for their 9600. I was amazed at how long it > took to print one of my images. The staff there concurred that the program > printed much slower than the Epson driver. snip... >...I don't know if that is typical of third party RIPs or not I hope the above snipping butchery doesn't obscure the issue- From my limited PC experience, with StudioPrint, I don't think it is related to 3rd party drivers/apps in general, it is quite fast. However, depending on what you are asking QTR, or IP, to do, there could be many reasons for the slower speed. You may have simply asked the Epson driver to print, no icc conversions on the way, an easy dither without resize, no rotating etc.. Since a RIP may be doing many things the Epson driver is not doing, including in QTRs case all the value to ink levels assignments, speed issiues might be hard to directly compare. On the Mac, PressReady was always slower than the Epson driver, but it was also doing much more work. Tyler
Re: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition?
2004-08-27 by johnglodge
The way to separate the pieces here is to print to file and separately spool the file to the printer, using the Epson driver and QTR. The time differences for creating the print file and then for printing it will thus be separated. ...John --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <Alan.Huntley@c...> wrote: > Paul/Tom, > > Back when I used QTR on my Mac (G4 - 450mhz) I found it to be about 50%, at least, slower than the Epson driver. If I remember correctly--been a couple of years--it was about 40 minutes to print ~A3 size! To be fair to QTR and Roy, I firmly believe the lack of speed was due to GIMP. Maybe the latest release of the GIMP drivers are faster...dunno...I use IP on Windoze, now. > > Alan Huntley > > > > > From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@s...> > > Date: 2004/08/26 Thu PM 04:05:24 EDT > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition? > > > > Paul - > > > > I haven't printed anything on my 9600 with the Epson drivers in over a year. But, as I recall, IP is slower than the Epson drivers. Especially if one is printing at 2880. When I upgraded my computer, I did not see any difference in prints speeds, so I believe the differences must be in the bit streams being sent to the printer. IP's may be quite a bit more complex. > > > > Tom Baker > > > > Paul Roark <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > Tom, > > > > >When you say IP and QTR are 'slow', what symptoms are you talking about? > > > > With QTR I've just printed the same test image (a test strip on a layer of > > an 8x10) with both QTR (a grayscale file) and the Epson driver (RGB file, > > curve applied, 1440, high speed off). The Epson driver took 142 seconds; > > QTR took 270 seconds. > > > > At Anderson Ranch they have IP6 for their 9600. I was amazed at how long it > > took to print one of my images. The staff there concurred that the program > > printed much slower than the Epson driver. I don't have the program myself, > > so I have not been able to quantify the difference. > > > > So, I have limited observations, and there may be variables that I'm not > > aware of, but it looks like the Epson driver might have an edge when it > > comes to speed. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > Paul Roark > > wrote: > > Evan, > > > > I've been out of the loop for a while but just tried QTR on my XP Home, and > > it works fine. It's slow and the dmax is low for the EEM neutral curve > > supplied, but I'm going to try adjusting the ink load to see if that takes > > care of the latter problem. (I tried Image Print and found it was very slow > > also. I don't know if that is typical of third party RIPs or not.) > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com > > ________________________ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wolarsky [mailto:wolarsky@i...] > > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:51 AM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] QTR on XP Home Edition? > > > > Will QTR run on XP Home Edition or is the Professional version needed? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Evan > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > > they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. 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