Digital BW, The Print

I've mostly lurked on the site and let me thank all of you for the time,energy & advice you 
so freely give.It's truly appreciated by those like me who might really benefit from your 
efforts. Thanks,thanks,thanks.

my dillema:

I print 95+% b&w. I have a 2200 w/OEM inks and use the Wilkerson (Wilkinson?) profiles. I 
consistently get a decided magenta cast and to estimate +green is inconsistent and paper/
ink costly. I'm (as you can guess) very frustrated and reluctant to spend another $500 for 
RIP sw of the MIS or similar ink setup. Any advice to cure this situation and encourage me 
to keep the 2200 is certainly welcome.

possible (logical?) workarounds:

1) spend $200 (the price of a used 1280 that I'd be willing to spend) and get Epson RIP
2) sell my 2200,get a 1280 and print BO
3) sell the 2200,get the 1280  and use Lyson Ink set

any other ideas?

your perspective on all this will be greatly appreciated. IE: what would *you* do?

Thanks again,

Robert

Get a grip; buy a RIP. I have the Epson 2200, a
ColorBurst RIP ($495) and perfectly neutral prints, 
under any light source. Don't go back in time. Onward
and upward! :-)
Ron
--- dinolini <wd53@...> wrote:

> 
> I've mostly lurked on the site and let me thank all
> of you for the time,energy & advice you 
> so freely give.It's truly appreciated by those like
> me who might really benefit from your 
> efforts. Thanks,thanks,thanks.
> 
> my dillema:
> 
> I print 95+% b&w. I have a 2200 w/OEM inks and use
> the Wilkerson (Wilkinson?) profiles. I 
> consistently get a decided magenta cast and to
> estimate +green is inconsistent and paper/
> ink costly. I'm (as you can guess) very frustrated
> and reluctant to spend another $500 for 
> RIP sw of the MIS or similar ink setup. Any advice
> to cure this situation and encourage me 
> to keep the 2200 is certainly welcome.
> 
> possible (logical?) workarounds:
> 
> 1) spend $200 (the price of a used 1280 that I'd be
> willing to spend) and get Epson RIP
> 2) sell my 2200,get a 1280 and print BO
> 3) sell the 2200,get the 1280  and use Lyson Ink set
> 
> any other ideas?
> 
> your perspective on all this will be greatly
> appreciated. IE: what would *you* do?
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

1st thing I'd ask is how are you printing? Are you printing a
grayscale image rather than rgb mode? Are you printing from photoshop
using the epson driver using "print with preview"? Are you printing
black only or using the full ink spread? Are you using a proper paper
profile? An most importantly are you clicking the box marked "NO COLOR
ADJUSTMENT"? The last bit is big, if it's not checked the system does
double profiling and you will often get magenta prints. Other than
that have you tried Roy Harrington's Quad Tone Rip?



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dinolini"
<wd53@h...> wrote:
> 
> I've mostly lurked on the site and let me thank all of you for the
time,energy & advice you 
> so freely give.It's truly appreciated by those like me who might
really benefit from your 
> efforts. Thanks,thanks,thanks.
> 
> my dillema:
> 
> I print 95+% b&w. I have a 2200 w/OEM inks and use the Wilkerson
(Wilkinson?) profiles. I 
> consistently get a decided magenta cast and to estimate +green is
inconsistent and paper/
> ink costly. I'm (as you can guess) very frustrated and reluctant to
spend another $500 for 
> RIP sw of the MIS or similar ink setup. Any advice to cure this
situation and encourage me 
> to keep the 2200 is certainly welcome.
> 
> possible (logical?) workarounds:
> 
> 1) spend $200 (the price of a used 1280 that I'd be willing to
spend) and get Epson RIP
> 2) sell my 2200,get a 1280 and print BO
> 3) sell the 2200,get the 1280  and use Lyson Ink set
> 
> any other ideas?
> 
> your perspective on all this will be greatly appreciated. IE: what
would *you* do?

> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Robert

OK Ron,
my deathgrip on the extra $300 is loosening as we speak,and after only two replies!.I 
guess I figured that was where I'd be heading. 

I went to the Colorburst site,though,and 1)all the SW for OSX is also $800 and not listed 
for the 2200,so I'm a little confused. If you're working on a Mac,are you using OSX,or 
printing in 9? 2) What program did you get for $495? That's the price for LE-4000,but 
that's made  for OS9. X-Photo is at $700 and OSX but is listed for the 4000 only. 
so...which one did you buy? ( I'll be working on a Mac,with Photoshop CS-requires 
Postscript?)

I'm not as obsessed w/ price as it sounds-I'll probably spend the dough,but now to find 
the "right" RIP to GRIP.

Thanks,
Robert



Steve's suggestion of imagePrint is an $800 solution-fair enough,but I'd rather not.--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ron Slaughter <slauter53@y...> wrote:

> Get a grip; buy a RIP. I have the Epson 2200, a
> ColorBurst RIP ($495) and perfectly neutral prints, 
> under any light source. Don't go back in time. Onward
> and upward! :-)
> Ron
> --- dinolini <wd53@h...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I've mostly lurked on the site and let me thank all
> > of you for the time,energy & advice you 
> > so freely give.It's truly appreciated by those like
> > me who might really benefit from your 
> > efforts. Thanks,thanks,thanks.
> > 
> > my dillema:
> > 
> > I print 95+% b&w. I have a 2200 w/OEM inks and use
> > the Wilkerson (Wilkinson?) profiles. I 
> > consistently get a decided magenta cast and to
> > estimate +green is inconsistent and paper/
> > ink costly. I'm (as you can guess) very frustrated
> > and reluctant to spend another $500 for 
> > RIP sw of the MIS or similar ink setup. Any advice
> > to cure this situation and encourage me 
> > to keep the 2200 is certainly welcome.
> > 
> > possible (logical?) workarounds:
> > 
> > 1) spend $200 (the price of a used 1280 that I'd be
> > willing to spend) and get Epson RIP
> > 2) sell my 2200,get a 1280 and print BO
> > 3) sell the 2200,get the 1280  and use Lyson Ink set
> > 
> > any other ideas?
> > 
> > your perspective on all this will be greatly
> > appreciated. IE: what would *you* do?
> > 
> > Thanks again,
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dinolini"
<wd53@h...> wrote:
...
> I'm not as obsessed w/ price as it sounds-I'll probably spend the
dough,but now to find 
> the "right" RIP to GRIP.

QTR for $50 shareware, same B&W results, cross platform, much help
right here on this list.
Tyler

Josh,

I've been trying to pay attn to what's been suggested here. Yup, RGB mode,Epson 
Driver,Print w/Preview,Full Ink spread,right profile and NCA-and I *still* get a magenta 
cast-really tough,because I'm trying to get neutral-ultra neutral,perhaps,as i like my prints 
on the cool side...

I'll check out Harrington's....thanks (any tips for using it,other than what's on the site?)--- 
In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Josh Freeman" <quakewarning@y...> 
wrote:

> 
> 1st thing I'd ask is how are you printing? Are you printing a
> grayscale image rather than rgb mode? Are you printing from photoshop
> using the epson driver using "print with preview"? Are you printing
> black only or using the full ink spread? Are you using a proper paper
> profile? An most importantly are you clicking the box marked "NO COLOR
> ADJUSTMENT"? The last bit is big, if it's not checked the system does
> double profiling and you will often get magenta prints. Other than
> that have you tried Roy Harrington's Quad Tone Rip?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dinolini"
> <wd53@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > I've mostly lurked on the site and let me thank all of you for the
> time,energy & advice you 
> > so freely give.It's truly appreciated by those like me who might
> really benefit from your 
> > efforts. Thanks,thanks,thanks.
> > 
> > my dillema:
> > 
> > I print 95+% b&w. I have a 2200 w/OEM inks and use the Wilkerson
> (Wilkinson?) profiles. I 
> > consistently get a decided magenta cast and to estimate +green is
> inconsistent and paper/
> > ink costly. I'm (as you can guess) very frustrated and reluctant to
> spend another $500 for 
> > RIP sw of the MIS or similar ink setup. Any advice to cure this
> situation and encourage me 
> > to keep the 2200 is certainly welcome.
> > 
> > possible (logical?) workarounds:
> > 
> > 1) spend $200 (the price of a used 1280 that I'd be willing to
> spend) and get Epson RIP
> > 2) sell my 2200,get a 1280 and print BO
> > 3) sell the 2200,get the 1280  and use Lyson Ink set
> > 
> > any other ideas?
> > 
> > your perspective on all this will be greatly appreciated. IE: what
> would *you* do?
> > 
> > Thanks again,
> > 
> > Robert

Tyler,

got a web url for that RIP of which you speak?-(or is that Roy Harrington's?-I know his 
address....)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@t...> wrote:

> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dinolini"
> <wd53@h...> wrote:
> ...
> > I'm not as obsessed w/ price as it sounds-I'll probably spend the
> dough,but now to find 
> > the "right" RIP to GRIP.
> 
> QTR for $50 shareware, same B&W results, cross platform, much help
> right here on this list.
> Tyler

Robert,
drop by ecolortools.com, click on main page, then on
ColorBurst. They have the X-Photo RIP for the 2200
priced at $495. HTH
Ron

dinolini wrote:

>I've mostly lurked on the site and let me thank all of you for the time,energy & advice you 
>so freely give.It's truly appreciated by those like me who might really benefit from your 
>efforts. Thanks,thanks,thanks.
>
>my dillema:
>
>I print 95+% b&w. I have a 2200 w/OEM inks and use the Wilkerson (Wilkinson?) profiles. I 
>consistently get a decided magenta cast and to estimate +green is inconsistent and paper/
>ink costly. I'm (as you can guess) very frustrated and reluctant to spend another $500 for 
>RIP sw of the MIS or similar ink setup. Any advice to cure this situation and encourage me 
>to keep the 2200 is certainly welcome.
>
>possible (logical?) workarounds:
>
>1) spend $200 (the price of a used 1280 that I'd be willing to spend) and get Epson RIP
>2) sell my 2200,get a 1280 and print BO
>3) sell the 2200,get the 1280  and use Lyson Ink set
>
>any other ideas?
>
>your perspective on all this will be greatly appreciated. IE: what would *you* do?
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Robert
>
>  
>
Get QTR with the QTRgui, costs only 50$ and works like a charm.
-- 

Hans Van Rafelghem
http://www.vanrafelghem.com

Have you tried printing Black Only? It's the preferable method for
many. Many of us tried all the MIS inksets, and found we liked BO with
Eboni best. And, it sure is the easiest and cheapest option. It's not
liked by everyone, but I suspect some just believe it's too simple to
work well and believe they must have a more complex solution. 

It's very well documented by Clayton Jones at
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dinolini"
<wd53@h...> wrote:
> 
> I've mostly lurked on the site and let me thank all of you for the
time,energy & advice you 
> so freely give.It's truly appreciated by those like me who might
really benefit from your 
> efforts. Thanks,thanks,thanks.
> 
> my dillema:
> 
> I print 95+% b&w. I have a 2200 w/OEM inks and use the Wilkerson
(Wilkinson?) profiles. I 
> consistently get a decided magenta cast and to estimate +green is
inconsistent and paper/
> ink costly. I'm (as you can guess) very frustrated and reluctant to
spend another $500 for 
> RIP sw of the MIS or similar ink setup. Any advice to cure this
situation and encourage me 
> to keep the 2200 is certainly welcome.
> 
> possible (logical?) workarounds:
> 
> 1) spend $200 (the price of a used 1280 that I'd be willing to
spend) and get Epson RIP
> 2) sell my 2200,get a 1280 and print BO
> 3) sell the 2200,get the 1280  and use Lyson Ink set
> 
> any other ideas?
> 
> your perspective on all this will be greatly appreciated. IE: what
would *you* do?

> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Robert

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans Van
Rafelghem <hvr@a...> wrote:
> dinolini wrote:
> >I have a 2200 w/OEM inks and use the Wilkerson (Wilkinson?) 
> >profiles. I consistently get a decided magenta cast
> >I'm (as you can guess) very frustrated and reluctant to spend
> >another $500 for RIP sw of the MIS or similar ink setup. Any
> >advice to cure this situation and encourage me 
> >to keep the 2200 is certainly welcome.
>
> Get QTR with the QTRgui, costs only 50$ and works like a charm.
> 
> Hans Van Rafelghem

As always I agree with Hans.  I just answered a nearly identical
question in the Qimage group.  My answer was that I too thought about
IP at one stage for much the same reasons. I then discovered QTR &
QTRGui for B&W work, which solved the problem of getting neutral B&W
prints from a 2200 using UC inks.  When used in conjuntion with Qimage
for page layout, you've virtually got a B&W equivalent of IP for much
less.   Given this, I wasn't convinced that the extra money for IP was
worth it for my humble requirements. 

By all means, if you need IP's functionality, buy it, but if your
interest is mostly in B&W, then personally I'd regard it as a little
crazy if you didn't at least try QTR(Gui) first.

F_P

Download QTR at:

http://www.harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html

QTR is excellent for B+W and toned images.

For color you still use the Epson driver.

sounds good-I've been to the site (Roy Harrington's) and found the QTR download. Where 
(and what) is the GUI part of the equation.-I'm working in Panther and the Gimp-Print site 
says I don't need it (Gimp-Print). Do I still need the EPS Ghostprint? A bit confusing as to 
what's needed to make this work.

Thanks for your help..

Robert


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ferdinand_paris" 
<ferdinand_paris@y...> wrote:

> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans Van
> Rafelghem <hvr@a...> wrote:
> > dinolini wrote:
> > >I have a 2200 w/OEM inks and use the Wilkerson (Wilkinson?) 
> > >profiles. I consistently get a decided magenta cast
> > >I'm (as you can guess) very frustrated and reluctant to spend
> > >another $500 for RIP sw of the MIS or similar ink setup. Any
> > >advice to cure this situation and encourage me 
> > >to keep the 2200 is certainly welcome.
> >
> > Get QTR with the QTRgui, costs only 50$ and works like a charm.
> > 
> > Hans Van Rafelghem
> 
> As always I agree with Hans.  I just answered a nearly identical
> question in the Qimage group.  My answer was that I too thought about
> IP at one stage for much the same reasons. I then discovered QTR &
> QTRGui for B&W work, which solved the problem of getting neutral B&W
> prints from a 2200 using UC inks.  When used in conjuntion with Qimage
> for page layout, you've virtually got a B&W equivalent of IP for much
> less.   Given this, I wasn't convinced that the extra money for IP was
> worth it for my humble requirements. 
> 
> By all means, if you need IP's functionality, buy it, but if your
> interest is mostly in B&W, then personally I'd regard it as a little
> crazy if you didn't at least try QTR(Gui) first.
> 
> F_P

"dinolini"  wrote:
>  found the QTR download. Where 
> (and what) is the GUI part of the equation.-I'm working in Panther and the Gimp-Print 
site 
> says I don't need it (Gimp-Print). Do I still need the EPS Ghostprint? A bit confusing as to 
> what's needed to make this work.

The GUI part is only for windows...so you don't need it.

QTR will install all the Gimp files that you need.

After QTR is installed go Profiles folder and open 2200-UT Folder. Double cliick the 
Install2200.

After that I'd recomend doing a Repair Disk Permissions via the Disk Utility app.

You don't need anything Roy's instructions don't say you need.
Read anthing and everything that comes with QTR.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dinolini"
<wd53@h...> wrote:
> 
> sounds good-I've been to the site (Roy Harrington's) and found the
QTR download. Where 
> (and what) is the GUI part of the equation.-I'm working in Panther
and the Gimp-Print site 
> says I don't need it (Gimp-Print). Do I still need the EPS
Ghostprint? A bit confusing as to 

> what's needed to make this work.
> 
> Thanks for your help..
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ferdinand_paris" 
> <ferdinand_paris@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans Van
> > Rafelghem <hvr@a...> wrote:
> > > dinolini wrote:
> > > >I have a 2200 w/OEM inks and use the Wilkerson (Wilkinson?) 
> > > >profiles. I consistently get a decided magenta cast
> > > >I'm (as you can guess) very frustrated and reluctant to spend
> > > >another $500 for RIP sw of the MIS or similar ink setup. Any
> > > >advice to cure this situation and encourage me 
> > > >to keep the 2200 is certainly welcome.
> > >
> > > Get QTR with the QTRgui, costs only 50$ and works like a charm.
> > > 
> > > Hans Van Rafelghem
> > 
> > As always I agree with Hans.  I just answered a nearly identical
> > question in the Qimage group.  My answer was that I too thought about
> > IP at one stage for much the same reasons. I then discovered QTR &
> > QTRGui for B&W work, which solved the problem of getting neutral B&W
> > prints from a 2200 using UC inks.  When used in conjuntion with Qimage
> > for page layout, you've virtually got a B&W equivalent of IP for much
> > less.   Given this, I wasn't convinced that the extra money for IP was
> > worth it for my humble requirements. 
> > 
> > By all means, if you need IP's functionality, buy it, but if your
> > interest is mostly in B&W, then personally I'd regard it as a little
> > crazy if you didn't at least try QTR(Gui) first.
> > 
> > F_P

dinolini wrote:

>
> sounds good-I've been to the site (Roy Harrington's) and found the QTR 
> download. Where
> (and what) is the GUI part of the equation.-I'm working in Panther and 
> the Gimp-Print site
> says I don't need it (Gimp-Print). Do I still need the EPS Ghostprint? 
> A bit confusing as to
> what's needed to make this work.
>
> Thanks for your help..
>
> Robert
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ferdinand_paris"
> <ferdinand_paris@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Hans Van
> > Rafelghem <hvr@a...> wrote:
> > > dinolini wrote:
> > > >I have a 2200 w/OEM inks and use the Wilkerson (Wilkinson?)
> > > >profiles. I consistently get a decided magenta cast
> > > >I'm (as you can guess) very frustrated and reluctant to spend
> > > >another $500 for RIP sw of the MIS or similar ink setup. Any
> > > >advice to cure this situation and encourage me
> > > >to keep the 2200 is certainly welcome.
> > >
> > > Get QTR with the QTRgui, costs only 50$ and works like a charm.
> > >
> > > Hans Van Rafelghem
> >
> > As always I agree with Hans.  I just answered a nearly identical
> > question in the Qimage group.  My answer was that I too thought about
> > IP at one stage for much the same reasons. I then discovered QTR &
> > QTRGui for B&W work, which solved the problem of getting neutral B&W
> > prints from a 2200 using UC inks.  When used in conjuntion with Qimage
> > for page layout, you've virtually got a B&W equivalent of IP for much
> > less.   Given this, I wasn't convinced that the extra money for IP was
> > worth it for my humble requirements.
> >
> > By all means, if you need IP's functionality, buy it, but if your
> > interest is mostly in B&W, then personally I'd regard it as a little
> > crazy if you didn't at least try QTR(Gui) first.
> >
> > F_P
>
>
>
>
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Just FYI:
New on the Wilhelm Research site
(top left corner of home page):
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/

(quoting their web site)
Three New WIR Articles from IS&T NIP20:  2004 International Conference 
On Digital Printing Technologies.  Salt Lake City, Utah USA November 1, 
2004

  "A Review of Accelerated Test Methods for Predicting the Image Life of 
Digitally-Printed Photographs—Part II"  By Henry Wilhelm
(end quote)
......................................................
Direct link to the PDF download:
http://www.wilhelm-research.com/ist_3of3_04/WIR_IST_2004_11_HW.pdf