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Clayton: Sepia BO

Clayton: Sepia BO

2005-01-27 by coovert1912

What ink percentages would I need to create a BO ink Sepia look? I am 
looking to use a refillable MIS Mat Black cartridge with Sepia tones. 
Thanks, Robert

Re: Clayton: Sepia BO

2005-01-27 by Steven Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "coovert1912" 
<backstagepass55@a...> wrote:
> 
> What ink percentages would I need to create a BO ink Sepia look? I 
am 
> looking to use a refillable MIS Mat Black cartridge with Sepia 
tones. 
> Thanks, Robert

Clayton hates sepia-you need to direct this to Paul Roark!

Steve K

RE: [Digital BW] Clayton: Sepia BO

2005-01-27 by Paul Roark

Robert,

I doubt you'll be able to make a good matte sepia BO ink.  The color MIS
inks are not very compatible with the matte blacks.  I suspect they will
cause precipitation.  Every time I've tried to mix (other) matte black inks
with color pigs to cool the ink down, the dmax has dropped significantly,
and it takes a lot of color pigs to have any impact on the matte black due
to its very high pigment load.

You might have more luck on the "glossy" side.  PK is compatible with MIS UT
inks.  For an ink that would print with a reasonable dmax on, for example,
Epson Premium Semimatte, PK plus 40% or so R800 Red clone ink might be
interesting.  The problem is that you might still want more yellow in it.
Yellow is a high gamut but very low density ink.  Its low density will
dilute the ink and lower the dmax more significantly.

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Clayton: Sepia BO



What ink percentages would I need to create a BO ink Sepia look? I am 
looking to use a refillable MIS Mat Black cartridge with Sepia tones. 
Thanks, Robert






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Re: Clayton: Sepia BO

2005-01-27 by coovert1912

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "coovert1912" 
> <backstagepass55@a...> wrote:
> > 
> > What ink percentages would I need to create a BO ink Sepia look? 
I 
> am 
> > looking to use a refillable MIS Mat Black cartridge with Sepia 
> tones. 
> > Thanks, Robert
> 
> Clayton hates sepia-you need to direct this to Paul Roark!
> 
> Steve K

maybe I should say "Warm tone"   I am printing images from the early 
1900's which just do not look right with a neutral or cool tone.
Robert

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Clayton: Sepia BO

2005-01-27 by Paul Roark

Robert, 

For the warmest BO printing with a good dmax, I'd try Epson UC Matte Black
on a warm paper like PermaJet Alpha.  Others may know of similar papers that
print warm (and don't flake).  

If you are using other than a 2200, you can pull UC MK from a 7600 cart
rather easily with a syringe fitted with an MIS bottom-fill adapter whose
snout has been shortened to 7 mm.

I sometimes use the UT carbon tone inks (no color toners) for reproductions
of old silver prints.  The tone matches quite well and the longevity is the
best we can do.  The UC MK is similar to these in terms of longevity and
tone -- possibly warmer than the MIS UT carbon midtones and definitely
warmer than Eboni.

Again, however, I don't think you'll have very good luck mixing color pigs
into the UC MK.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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From: coovert1912 [mailto:backstagepass55@...] 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:52 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Clayton: Sepia BO



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "coovert1912" 
> <backstagepass55@a...> wrote:
> > 
> > What ink percentages would I need to create a BO ink Sepia look? 
I 
> am 
> > looking to use a refillable MIS Mat Black cartridge with Sepia 
> tones. 
> > Thanks, Robert
> 
> Clayton hates sepia-you need to direct this to Paul Roark!
> 
> Steve K

maybe I should say "Warm tone"   I am printing images from the early 
1900's which just do not look right with a neutral or cool tone.
Robert






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Re: Clayton: Sepia BO

2005-01-27 by scott_now_coming

Try MIS Ebonie on matte papers (I like Epson Enahnced Matte) and MIS 
PK the other types ( Ilike Kirkland glossy and Epson Luster).

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "coovert1912" 
<backstagepass55@a...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
> Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "coovert1912" 
> > <backstagepass55@a...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > What ink percentages would I need to create a BO ink Sepia 
look? 
> I 
> > am 
> > > looking to use a refillable MIS Mat Black cartridge with Sepia 
> > tones. 
> > > Thanks, Robert
> > 
> > Clayton hates sepia-you need to direct this to Paul Roark!
> > 
> > Steve K
> 
> maybe I should say "Warm tone"   I am printing images from the 
early 
> 1900's which just do not look right with a neutral or cool tone.
> Robert

Re: Clayton: Sepia BO

2005-01-27 by m87507

This isn't the specific answer to the question, but I am achieving 
nice sepia in all shades with a 1280, MIS archival inks w/ebony black 
in the K position. This setup allows b/o printing, color printing, 
and sepia toning. It takes experimenting in P/S with "color balance" 
adjustments to get the specific tone you're looking for (hue/sat and 
channel mixer I gave up on)...also duotones give nice results. (If 
your monitor isn't callibrated with a colorometer though, forget it.)

--- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scott_now_coming" 
<scott_now_coming@y...> wrote:
> 
> Try MIS Ebonie on matte papers (I like Epson Enahnced Matte) and 
MIS 
> PK the other types ( Ilike Kirkland glossy and Epson Luster).
> 
> Scott
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "coovert1912" 
> <backstagepass55@a...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
> > Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "coovert1912" 
> > > <backstagepass55@a...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > What ink percentages would I need to create a BO ink Sepia 
> look? 
> > I 
> > > am 
> > > > looking to use a refillable MIS Mat Black cartridge with 
Sepia
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> > > tones. 
> > > > Thanks, Robert
> > > 
> > > Clayton hates sepia-you need to direct this to Paul Roark!
> > > 
> > > Steve K
> > 
> > maybe I should say "Warm tone"   I am printing images from the 
> early 
> > 1900's which just do not look right with a neutral or cool tone.
> > Robert

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