Digital BW, The Print

Paul, I recently came across your article on softproofing using a gamma curve for black 
and white.  I have been getting superb results and finally not waisting paper.   THANK 
YOU.  You have no idea how excited I was to find this bit of information.  I do have a few 
questions though.  In your article you state this for step 7....

7.    Now you are back at the image file you had originally opened. Go to View, Proof 
Setup, Custom.  The new curve you made should be in the list, probably at the bottom – 
Select it.  Then check "Preserve Color Numbers."  The image on the monitor should then 
look like it did while you were making the curve.  Hit OK.

My questions is, I am unable to check "preserve color number" because it is grayed out.  
Am I doing something wrong?  Also, what should the intent be set to...perceptual, 
absolute colorimetric or one of the other?  

If my image is in rgb and I go to convert it to the softproof gamma curve, I get a message 
that says, "could not load the proof set up because the source and destination have 
different color modes".  So what I have been doing is changing it to grayscale and then 
converting to the sooftproof.  I have a feeling I am not doing this the way it is supposed to 
be done.  After converting to the soft proof, I make any necessary changes to the image 
and then convert back to rgb and print using the carbon curve you created.  The prints are 
looking great but I feel like I am missing a step or something.

Does this sound correct to you or am I doing something out of order?
Any help would be appreciated.  And thanks again for the advice you provide to all of us.

P.S.  I hope I made some sort of sense out of this mess.

The procedure for profiling the monitor is at
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Monitor-Profiling.htm .

Marcus, I have not had time to look at the questions you asked.  It does not
work with RGB files, however.  I always edit my images in grayscale and save
them before converting to RGB for printing through a curve.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Great, that answers my biggest concern.  Now I just need to know about this one for step 
# 7.  

Instructions read.....7.    Now you are back at the image file you had originally opened. Go 
to View, Proof Setup, Custom.  The new curve you made should be in the list, probably at 
the bottom –Select it.  Then check "Preserve Color Numbers."  The image on the monitor
should then look like it did while you were making the curve.  Hit OK.


My questions is, I am unable to check "preserve color number" because it is
grayed out.
Am I doing something wrong? Also, what should the intent be set
to...perceptual,
absolute colorimetric or one of the other?

And for anyone that has not tried this profiling method, you should try it because it is 
saving me from buying an expensive calibration device and I am not waisting paper any 
more.  THANK YOU PAUL FOR GIVING US THIS VALUABLE PIECE OF INFORMATION.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> 
wrote:

> The procedure for profiling the monitor is at
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Monitor-Profiling.htm .
> 
> Marcus, I have not had time to look at the questions you asked.  It does not
> work with RGB files, however.  I always edit my images in grayscale and save
> them before converting to RGB for printing through a curve.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

I just changed #7 to indicate that it is the Profiles list where you'll find
the new custom dot gain curve.  After you select that, the "Preserve Color
Numbers" should be able to be checked.  You have to select the new profile
before the box becomes active.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
___________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus [mailto:marcus@liquidgreyphoto.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:42 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] For Paul/creating a gamma curve for soft proofing



Great, that answers my biggest concern.  Now I just need to know about this
one for step 
# 7.  

Instructions read.....7.    Now you are back at the image file you had
originally opened. Go 
to View, Proof Setup, Custom.  The new curve you made should be in the list,
probably at 
the bottom –Select it.  Then check "Preserve Color Numbers."  The image on
the monitor
should then look like it did while you were making the curve.  Hit OK.


My questions is, I am unable to check "preserve color number" because it is
grayed out.
Am I doing something wrong? Also, what should the intent be set
to...perceptual,
absolute colorimetric or one of the other?

And for anyone that has not tried this profiling method, you should try it
because it is 
saving me from buying an expensive calibration device and I am not waisting
paper any 
more.  THANK YOU PAUL FOR GIVING US THIS VALUABLE PIECE OF INFORMATION.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> 
wrote:
> The procedure for profiling the monitor is at
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Monitor-Profiling.htm .
> 
> Marcus, I have not had time to look at the questions you asked.  It does
not
> work with RGB files, however.  I always edit my images in grayscale and
save
> them before converting to RGB for printing through a curve.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com






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thanks Paul.  Everything is working great now.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> 
wrote:
> I just changed #7 to indicate that it is the Profiles list where you'll find
> the new custom dot gain curve.  After you select that, the "Preserve Color
> Numbers" should be able to be checked.  You have to select the new profile
> before the box becomes active.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> ___________________________
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus@l...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:42 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] For Paul/creating a gamma curve for soft proofing
> 
> 
> 
> Great, that answers my biggest concern.  Now I just need to know about this
> one for step 
> # 7.  
> 
> Instructions read.....7.    Now you are back at the image file you had
> originally opened. Go 
> to View, Proof Setup, Custom.  The new curve you made should be in the list,
> probably at 
> the bottom –Select it.  Then check "Preserve Color Numbers."  The image on
> the monitor
> should then look like it did while you were making the curve.  Hit OK.
> 
> 
> My questions is, I am unable to check "preserve color number" because it is
> grayed out.
> Am I doing something wrong? Also, what should the intent be set
> to...perceptual,
> absolute colorimetric or one of the other?
> 
> And for anyone that has not tried this profiling method, you should try it
> because it is 
> saving me from buying an expensive calibration device and I am not waisting
> paper any 
> more.  THANK YOU PAUL FOR GIVING US THIS VALUABLE PIECE OF INFORMATION.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> 
> wrote:
> > The procedure for profiling the monitor is at
> > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Monitor-Profiling.htm .
> > 
> > Marcus, I have not had time to look at the questions you asked.  It does
> not
> > work with RGB files, however.  I always edit my images in grayscale and
> save
> > them before converting to RGB for printing through a curve.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hi Paul,

Have tried several times the last ten days to send you some email off list.
Regarding Ink sep (part two) and some thoughts about clogging, CFS etc.
The emails come back all the time, "can't deliver 
email"  "address has permanent fatal errors".

Have you changed your address?

Hans
-- 
Atelier Pictoform
Chia N-Löfqvist & Hans Nohlberg
Hedåsgatan 5
SE-412 53 Göteborg
SWEDEN

+46  (0)31181414
Mobile: 073 974 44 24
(Besök/visit Hedåsgatan 6)

http://www.pictoform.nu
http://www.etsabild.se
http://www.artphotocollection.com

Hans,

At least some in England are also being blocked from reaching my main
e-mail.  It must be some new filter my e-mail provider has started.  Try my
Yahoo e-mail address.  I'll e-mail you off-list from this address now.  The
Yahoo address seems to work for England.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans & Chia [mailto:chiahans@...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:30 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] To Paul Roark


Hi Paul,

Have tried several times the last ten days to send you some email off list.
Regarding Ink sep (part two) and some thoughts about clogging, CFS etc.
The emails come back all the time, "can't deliver 
email"  "address has permanent fatal errors".

Have you changed your address?

Hans
-- 
Atelier Pictoform
Chia N-Löfqvist & Hans Nohlberg
Hedåsgatan 5
SE-412 53 Göteborg
SWEDEN

+46  (0)31181414
Mobile: 073 974 44 24
(Besök/visit Hedåsgatan 6)

http://www.pictoform.nu
http://www.etsabild.se
http://www.artphotocollection.com



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FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY
DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  “OWNER” AND
“MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY
THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER
MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
 
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I've finished a project making large BO prints with my Epson 3000.  Instead of letting it 
collect dust, I'm offering it to any of you who may need it before listing it you know where.  
The carts are about 3/4 full.

$160 + FedEx Ground.

Please contact off-list if interested:
hill14701(at) yahoo.com

Paul Roark wrote:
> At least some in England are also being blocked from reaching my main
> e-mail.  It must be some new filter my e-mail provider has started.  Try my
> Yahoo e-mail address.  I'll e-mail you off-list from this address now.  The
> Yahoo address seems to work for England.

Yes, there's been a lot of news and complaining lately about Verizon 
blocking all mail from the UK and some other European locations to avoid 
spam.

	Walt

Thanks for the interest everyone - the printer has been sold.

Don


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "hill14701" <hill14701@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> I've finished a project making large BO prints with my Epson 3000.  Instead of letting it 
> collect dust, I'm offering it to any of you who may need it before listing it you know 
where.  
> The carts are about 3/4 full.
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walt Farrell 
> Yes, there's been a lot of news and complaining lately about Verizon 
> blocking all mail from the UK and some other European locations to
avoid 
> spam.
> 
Blocking all mail from a particular country denotes the use of aging
technologies. But you would never guess that from their tv commercials.

My ISP installed, free of charge to its subscribers, anti-spam
blocking last year. Instead of receiving up to 50 spam email a day I
now get 3 or 4. But I do get the legitimate mails, wherever they
originate in the world.

André Moreau

Thanks Paul

I hope you have something from me now in your Yahoo box.

Hans

>Hans,
>
>At least some in England are also being blocked from reaching my main
>e-mail.  It must be some new filter my e-mail provider has started.  Try my
>Yahoo e-mail address.  I'll e-mail you off-list from this address now.  The
>Yahoo address seems to work for England.

-- 
Atelier Pictoform
Chia N-Löfqvist & Hans Nohlberg
Hedåsgatan 5
SE-412 53 Göteborg
SWEDEN

+46  (0)31181414
Mobile: 073 974 44 24
(Besök/visit Hedåsgatan 6)

http://www.pictoform.nu
http://www.etsabild.se
http://www.artphotocollection.com