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B/W Film scanning dust removal software??

2005-03-01 by dealy663

Hi everyone, I've been a lurker in this group for a while, but haven't
posted much.

I'm looking for some opinions on a dust and scratch removal program
for scanned black and white film. I haven't been able to find anything
that was really helpful in this regard, and got to thinking about
creating something myself.

In some ways what I'm planning on developing would be similar to the
Polaroid Dust removal program, but would make use of more
sophisticated image analyis techniques. By this I mean, it would take
into consideration the amount of film grain present (via the speed of
the film and allowing the user to specify a level of "graininess").
The size of of the film grain with respect to the size of the actual
image on the negative would also figure into the dust/scratch
selection algorithms.

This program would not be smart enough for you to set a couple of
options and then presto you'd have something as clean as a Digital ICE
repaired piece of color film (That seems unlikely for now). But would
offer significantly less work than going through your file with the
clone-stamp tool or the healing brush at 100% pixel resolution in
Photoshop as I've usually done with my B/W scans. This whole process
started after I spent about 2 hours cleaning up a scan of a 35mm Tri-X
neg with the PS CS healing brush. By manually applying some of these
techniques I was able to clean a similarly dirty neg in about 15
minutes. I expect that I can build a PS CS plugin to do this
relatively simple stuff without too much trouble. But the really cool
benifit will arise if my ideas regarding automated dust and scratch
identification pan out.

This probably wouldn't be of need to those who only have to clean up 5
or 6 defects per image. I'm talking about really messed up negs with
over 100 defects per image!

So here are my questions:

1. Would such a program would be of interest to you B/W scanning
types?

2. If so would most of you be interested in a standalone application,
or a Photoshop plugin that would work with 16-bit files? If I were to
build a standalone program I would only code it to work with TIFF
files.

3. What percentage of those interested are on Macs vs PCs?

Thanks, Derek

Re: B/W Film scanning dust removal software??

2005-03-01 by Scott Graham

Hmmm, personally I wouldn't have a use for it.  I don't have dust and scratches, except a 
very small amount on a few of my 35 year old negs (and not they are not much of a 
problem).

Am on a Mac (for your survery)

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dealy663" <dealy663@h...> 
wrote:
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> 
> Hi everyone, I've been a lurker in this group for a while, but haven't
> posted much.
> 
> I'm looking for some opinions on a dust and scratch removal program
> for scanned black and white film. I haven't been able to find anything
> that was really helpful in this regard, and got to thinking about
> creating something myself.
> 
> In some ways what I'm planning on developing would be similar to the
> Polaroid Dust removal program, but would make use of more
> sophisticated image analyis techniques. By this I mean, it would take
> into consideration the amount of film grain present (via the speed of
> the film and allowing the user to specify a level of "graininess").
> The size of of the film grain with respect to the size of the actual
> image on the negative would also figure into the dust/scratch
> selection algorithms.
> 
> This program would not be smart enough for you to set a couple of
> options and then presto you'd have something as clean as a Digital ICE
> repaired piece of color film (That seems unlikely for now). But would
> offer significantly less work than going through your file with the
> clone-stamp tool or the healing brush at 100% pixel resolution in
> Photoshop as I've usually done with my B/W scans. This whole process
> started after I spent about 2 hours cleaning up a scan of a 35mm Tri-X
> neg with the PS CS healing brush. By manually applying some of these
> techniques I was able to clean a similarly dirty neg in about 15
> minutes. I expect that I can build a PS CS plugin to do this
> relatively simple stuff without too much trouble. But the really cool
> benifit will arise if my ideas regarding automated dust and scratch
> identification pan out.
> 
> This probably wouldn't be of need to those who only have to clean up 5
> or 6 defects per image. I'm talking about really messed up negs with
> over 100 defects per image!
> 
> So here are my questions:
> 
> 1. Would such a program would be of interest to you B/W scanning
> types?
> 
> 2. If so would most of you be interested in a standalone application,
> or a Photoshop plugin that would work with 16-bit files? If I were to
> build a standalone program I would only code it to work with TIFF
> files.
> 
> 3. What percentage of those interested are on Macs vs PCs?
> 
> Thanks, Derek

Re: [Digital BW] B/W Film scanning dust removal software??

2005-03-01 by Daniel Ridings

On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, dealy663 wrote:

> I'm looking for some opinions on a dust and scratch removal program
> for scanned black and white film. I haven't been able to find anything
> that was really helpful in this regard, and got to thinking about
> creating something myself.

It would be great if you could do it ... but my solution is:

1) Clean distilled water in the last rinse (photoflo)
2) Don't scrape the film with a squeegie when you hand it up
3) Don't smoke

Some films hate dust (Neopan) and chase it away, other films love the
stuff.

Daniel Ridings
http://www.dlridings.com/paw2005

RE: [Digital BW] B/W Film scanning dust removal software??

2005-03-01 by Richard

I don't have much trouble with dust and scratches on my
negatives/transparencies. Usually just give them a quick blast with dust-off
before scanning.

 

I use a Nikon 9000 and have found that the proprietary dust and scratch
removal system works with stuff I've scanned for other people, but the
system doesn't work with B/W. (It does an infrared prescan or something like
that which produces a mask for particulate matter, but is transparent as far
as the neg is concerned)

 

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Subject: [Digital BW] B/W Film scanning dust removal software??

 


Hi everyone, I've been a lurker in this group for a while, but haven't
posted much.

I'm looking for some opinions on a dust and scratch removal program
for scanned black and white film. I haven't been able to find anything
that was really helpful in this regard, and got to thinking about
creating something myself.

In some ways what I'm planning on developing would be similar to the
Polaroid Dust removal program, but would make use of more
sophisticated image analyis techniques. By this I mean, it would take
into consideration the amount of film grain present (via the speed of
the film and allowing the user to specify a level of "graininess").
The size of of the film grain with respect to the size of the actual
image on the negative would also figure into the dust/scratch
selection algorithms.

This program would not be smart enough for you to set a couple of
options and then presto you'd have something as clean as a Digital ICE
repaired piece of color film (That seems unlikely for now). But would
offer significantly less work than going through your file with the
clone-stamp tool or the healing brush at 100% pixel resolution in
Photoshop as I've usually done with my B/W scans. This whole process
started after I spent about 2 hours cleaning up a scan of a 35mm Tri-X
neg with the PS CS healing brush. By manually applying some of these
techniques I was able to clean a similarly dirty neg in about 15
minutes. I expect that I can build a PS CS plugin to do this
relatively simple stuff without too much trouble. But the really cool
benifit will arise if my ideas regarding automated dust and scratch
identification pan out.

This probably wouldn't be of need to those who only have to clean up 5
or 6 defects per image. I'm talking about really messed up negs with
over 100 defects per image!

So here are my questions:

1. Would such a program would be of interest to you B/W scanning
types?

2. If so would most of you be interested in a standalone application,
or a Photoshop plugin that would work with 16-bit files? If I were to
build a standalone program I would only code it to work with TIFF
files.

3. What percentage of those interested are on Macs vs PCs?

Thanks, Derek





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Re: B/W Film scanning dust removal software??

2005-03-01 by esasinkkonen

Hi Derek
I would have use for it, standalone (I am using Picture Window Pro), 
Win XP, and yes 16 bit tiff is fine.
Cheers, Esa

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dealy663" 
<dealy663@h...> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, I've been a lurker in this group for a while, but 
haven't
> posted much.
> 
> I'm looking for some opinions on a dust and scratch removal program
> for scanned black and white film. I haven't been able to find 
anything
> that was really helpful in this regard, and got to thinking about
> creating something myself.
> 
> In some ways what I'm planning on developing would be similar to 
the
> Polaroid Dust removal program, but would make use of more
> sophisticated image analyis techniques. By this I mean, it would 
take
> into consideration the amount of film grain present (via the speed 
of
> the film and allowing the user to specify a level of "graininess").
> The size of of the film grain with respect to the size of the 
actual
> image on the negative would also figure into the dust/scratch
> selection algorithms.
> 
> This program would not be smart enough for you to set a couple of
> options and then presto you'd have something as clean as a Digital 
ICE
> repaired piece of color film (That seems unlikely for now). But 
would
> offer significantly less work than going through your file with the
> clone-stamp tool or the healing brush at 100% pixel resolution in
> Photoshop as I've usually done with my B/W scans. This whole 
process
> started after I spent about 2 hours cleaning up a scan of a 35mm 
Tri-X
> neg with the PS CS healing brush. By manually applying some of 
these
> techniques I was able to clean a similarly dirty neg in about 15
> minutes. I expect that I can build a PS CS plugin to do this
> relatively simple stuff without too much trouble. But the really 
cool
> benifit will arise if my ideas regarding automated dust and scratch
> identification pan out.
> 
> This probably wouldn't be of need to those who only have to clean 
up 5
> or 6 defects per image. I'm talking about really messed up negs 
with
> over 100 defects per image!
> 
> So here are my questions:
> 
> 1. Would such a program would be of interest to you B/W scanning
> types?
> 
> 2. If so would most of you be interested in a standalone 
application,
> or a Photoshop plugin that would work with 16-bit files? If I were 
to
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> build a standalone program I would only code it to work with TIFF
> files.
> 
> 3. What percentage of those interested are on Macs vs PCs?
> 
> Thanks, Derek

Re: [Digital BW] B/W Film scanning dust removal software??

2005-03-01 by Mark Savoia

On Feb 28, 2005, at 9:57 PM, dealy663 wrote:

>  So here are my questions:
>
>  1. Would such a program would be of interest to you B/W scanning
>  types?

Yes!
>
>  2. If so would most of you be interested in a standalone application,
>  or a Photoshop plugin that would work with 16-bit files? If I were to
>  build a standalone program I would only code it to work with TIFF
>  files.

Either way.
>
>  3. What percentage of those interested are on Macs vs PCs?

I'm a Mac man.

>
>  Thanks, Derek
>
>
>
>
>


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RE: [Digital BW] B/W Film scanning dust removal software??

2005-03-02 by Ken Carney

Well, the issue does come up from time to time, more likely for sheet film
users.  It's amazing how a booger will find its way into the film holder on
your best image.

There is a simpler way to spot. Go to filters>noise>dust and scratches, and
apply some setting you'd never use in a finished image, such as a 3-pixel
radius and threshhold of six or so.  Save as a snapshot and delete the dust
& scratches state in history.  Use a small soft brush in history brush
applied to the snapshot, and with a tablet you can clean up the image in no
time. 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dealy663 [mailto:dealy663@...] 
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:57 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] B/W Film scanning dust removal software??
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone, I've been a lurker in this group for a while, 
> but haven't posted much.
> 
> I'm looking for some opinions on a dust and scratch removal 
> program for scanned black and white film. I haven't been able 
> to find anything that was really helpful in this regard, and 
> got to thinking about creating something myself.
> 
> In some ways what I'm planning on developing would be similar 
> to the Polaroid Dust removal program, but would make use of 
> more sophisticated image analyis techniques. By this I mean, 
> it would take into consideration the amount of film grain 
> present (via the speed of the film and allowing the user to 
> specify a level of "graininess").
> The size of of the film grain with respect to the size of the 
> actual image on the negative would also figure into the 
> dust/scratch selection algorithms.
> 
> This program would not be smart enough for you to set a 
> couple of options and then presto you'd have something as 
> clean as a Digital ICE repaired piece of color film (That 
> seems unlikely for now). But would offer significantly less 
> work than going through your file with the clone-stamp tool 
> or the healing brush at 100% pixel resolution in Photoshop as 
> I've usually done with my B/W scans. This whole process 
> started after I spent about 2 hours cleaning up a scan of a 
> 35mm Tri-X neg with the PS CS healing brush. By manually 
> applying some of these techniques I was able to clean a 
> similarly dirty neg in about 15 minutes. I expect that I can 
> build a PS CS plugin to do this relatively simple stuff 
> without too much trouble. But the really cool benifit will 
> arise if my ideas regarding automated dust and scratch 
> identification pan out.
> 
> This probably wouldn't be of need to those who only have to 
> clean up 5 or 6 defects per image. I'm talking about really 
> messed up negs with over 100 defects per image!
> 
> So here are my questions:
> 
> 1. Would such a program would be of interest to you B/W 
> scanning types?
> 
> 2. If so would most of you be interested in a standalone 
> application, or a Photoshop plugin that would work with 
> 16-bit files? If I were to build a standalone program I would 
> only code it to work with TIFF files.
> 
> 3. What percentage of those interested are on Macs vs PCs?
> 
> Thanks, Derek
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Digital BW] B/W Film scanning dust removal software??

2005-03-02 by Seth

Ilford makes (or used to) a negative cleaning cloth that removes dust AND
static.  Although it LOOKS like a lens cleaning cloth, it is very different,
and should not be used on lenses.  We would sandwich the neg in the cloth,
gently pull it through, then hit it with a blast of air AFTER putting it in
the carrier.

It's what we used to use in the field to scan negs before we switched to
digital.

Seth

Re: B/W dust removal software?? Try Polaroid's

2005-03-03 by Tyler Boley

it's pretty good as these things go, the controls are a bit cryptic
though.
Still, it's the only one I've found useful.
Tyler

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> I haven't used this in while but it worked very well when I tried it.
> 
> http://www.polaroid.com/service/software/poladsr/poladsr.html

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