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Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-04-12 by inna_thort

Hello All.

After being a member here for a while now, I have noticed numerous
comments about how nice it would be to have a real forum, in the sense
that it can be searched easily, there are sections for particular
areas of interest etc etc.

As a member of other yahoo groups I think this would be a good idea -
yahoo as we all know is terrible for searching out information.
their color scheme isn't great either lol.

So I have decided to take it upon myself to create one.
I run a linux server here in my studio and am using an open source
phpBB package - info can be found here about this particular bulletin
board interface: http://www.phpbb.com

Within the next few weeks my server will be mirrored at
http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/ as well as their own mirrors located
worldwide.
I have unlimited bandwidth/disk space available to me.

My main interest is with epson/hp printers, both color and b+w
printing, primarily for art reproduction, but the forum does not have
to be limited here, and I hope it won't be ...

I understand that there is valuable information here already that
could, if necessary, be transfered over to the new forum. I am
interested in getting the admin of this forum to help me on that.

I would love some feedback from the members here as to what you would
like to see within the forum. What categories are important ? etc

Please email me off list or reply here and lets start this ball rolling.

It is pretty much ready to go, I just to need to set up the style, and
of course add Categories and Topics. :]

thanks

stuart linacre
iolabsinc.com
http://www.iolabsinc.com

RE: [Digital BW] Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-04-12 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: inna_thort [mailto:stuart@...]
>
> After being a member here for a while now, I have noticed numerous
> comments about how nice it would be to have a real forum, in the sense
> that it can be searched easily, there are sections for particular
> areas of interest etc etc.
>
> As a member of other yahoo groups I think this would be a good idea -
> yahoo as we all know is terrible for searching out information.
> their color scheme isn't great either lol.
>
> So I have decided to take it upon myself to create one.
> I run a linux server here in my studio and am using an open source
> phpBB package - info can be found here about this particular bulletin
> board interface: http://www.phpbb.com
>
> Within the next few weeks my server will be mirrored at
> http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/ as well as their own mirrors located
> worldwide.
> I have unlimited bandwidth/disk space available to me.

Personally, I don't like BBSes, because the messages only exist on the
server. I prefer mailing lists, because I can then save a message for future
reference on my own machine by simply not deleting it. Also, the traffic is
fed at me--the various BBSes I'm subscribed to I rarely visit unless I have
some particular question of my own, so I never contribute answers to them.
I'm sticking to the mailing list.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Re: [Digital BW] Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-04-12 by inna_thort

thanks Paul,

I am looking into incorporating a RSS feed from the BBS, similar to
the one used here at yahoo.

I guess if you don't contribute there is no reason to visit the forum
anyway. Personally, I would like to see people contribute and make the
forum a community.

For one, it would reduce the amount of questions that have been
answered countless times by actually having the information searchable. 

> 
> Personally, I don't like BBSes, because the messages only exist on the
> server. I prefer mailing lists, because I can then save a message
for future
> reference on my own machine by simply not deleting it. Also, the
traffic is
> fed at me--the various BBSes I'm subscribed to I rarely visit unless
I have
> some particular question of my own, so I never contribute answers to
them.
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> I'm sticking to the mailing list.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@i...

RE: [Digital BW] Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-04-12 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: inna_thort [mailto:stuart@...]
>
> I am looking into incorporating a RSS feed from the BBS, similar to
> the one used here at yahoo.
>
> I guess if you don't contribute there is no reason to visit the forum
> anyway. Personally, I would like to see people contribute and make the
> forum a community.
>
> For one, it would reduce the amount of questions that have been
> answered countless times by actually having the information searchable.

It's not that I don't want to participate, it's that with all the mailing
lists I'm on, and with all the work and other activities I have, I just
don't get around to visiting the few BBSes I'm subscribed to. A mailing list
forces me to at least scan the message subjects as they come in, and that
often prompts me to read other people's questions and occasionally answer
them. So if you can rig up a mailing list interface, I'll probably sign up.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Re: [Digital BW] Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-04-12 by grapegeek2

I don't contribute much to this list since I'm such a noob, but the 
fewer Yahoo groups I have to deal with the better... The search 
engine sucks so bad. I don't want to get hundreds of emails a day 
(yes, I'm on a few yahoo groups). I'd much rather visit a website 
like photo.net, rangefinderforum.com or dpreview.com where I can 
search before I post the same question for the hundreth time... Just 
my $.02...

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. 
DeRocco" <pderocco@i...> wrote:
> > From: inna_thort [mailto:stuart@i...]
> >
> > I am looking into incorporating a RSS feed from the BBS, similar 
to
> > the one used here at yahoo.
> >
> > I guess if you don't contribute there is no reason to visit the 
forum
> > anyway. Personally, I would like to see people contribute and 
make the
> > forum a community.
> >
> > For one, it would reduce the amount of questions that have been
> > answered countless times by actually having the information 
searchable.
> 
> It's not that I don't want to participate, it's that with all the 
mailing
> lists I'm on, and with all the work and other activities I have, I 
just
> don't get around to visiting the few BBSes I'm subscribed to. A 
mailing list
> forces me to at least scan the message subjects as they come in, 
and that
> often prompts me to read other people's questions and occasionally 
answer
> them. So if you can rig up a mailing list interface, I'll probably 
sign up.
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> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@i...

Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-04-13 by SteveZ

Stuart, I think that is a great idea. As a Newbie in the area of 
digital black and white, someone like myself could only benefit from 
such a forum to further develop both creative and technical skills. 
I would only hope that this new forum be broader in scope by 
providing more than just technical 'Question and Answer' threads  
about fine art papers, ink systems, QTRs and Curves, etc. as per  
this yahoo digital b&w group. I would like to see discussion on 
other topics of interest as well, such as, creative applications, 
ideas on how to market and sell one's work, maybe a member's 
gallery, techniques in digital processing, just to mention a few.
I for one would definately be interested. 
Please keep me informed.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "inna_thort" 
<stuart@i...> wrote:
> 
> Hello All.
> 
> After being a member here for a while now, I have noticed numerous
> comments about how nice it would be to have a real forum, in the 
sense
> that it can be searched easily, there are sections for particular
> areas of interest etc etc.
> 
> As a member of other yahoo groups I think this would be a good 
idea -
> yahoo as we all know is terrible for searching out information.
> their color scheme isn't great either lol.
> 
> So I have decided to take it upon myself to create one.
> I run a linux server here in my studio and am using an open source
> phpBB package - info can be found here about this particular 
bulletin
> board interface: http://www.phpbb.com
> 
> Within the next few weeks my server will be mirrored at
> http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/ as well as their own mirrors located
> worldwide.
> I have unlimited bandwidth/disk space available to me.
> 
> My main interest is with epson/hp printers, both color and b+w
> printing, primarily for art reproduction, but the forum does not 
have
> to be limited here, and I hope it won't be ...
> 
> I understand that there is valuable information here already that
> could, if necessary, be transfered over to the new forum. I am
> interested in getting the admin of this forum to help me on that.
> 
> I would love some feedback from the members here as to what you 
would
> like to see within the forum. What categories are important ? etc
> 
> Please email me off list or reply here and lets start this ball 
rolling.
> 
> It is pretty much ready to go, I just to need to set up the style, 
and
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> of course add Categories and Topics. :]
> 
> thanks
> 
> stuart linacre
> iolabsinc.com
> http://www.iolabsinc.com

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-04-13 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: SteveZ [mailto:blizzie12@...]
> 
> I would only hope that this new forum be broader in scope by 
> providing more than just technical 'Question and Answer' threads  
> about fine art papers, ink systems, QTRs and Curves, etc. as per  
> this yahoo digital b&w group. I would like to see discussion on 
> other topics of interest as well, such as, creative applications, 
> ideas on how to market and sell one's work, maybe a member's 
> gallery, techniques in digital processing, just to mention a few.

I don't think any of those things are considered off-topic here.

-- 

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-10-23 by quasi_ww

Stuart,

I recently stumbled across this message about setting up a forum.
I would much prefer a phpbb-style forum.  Did you finish yours?
If so, where is it?  I didn't find anything at iolabs.com.

WW

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "inna_thort"
<stuart@i...> wrote:
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>
> 
> Hello All.
> 
> After being a member here for a while now, I have noticed numerous
> comments about how nice it would be to have a real forum, in the sense
> that it can be searched easily, there are sections for particular
> areas of interest etc etc.
> 
> As a member of other yahoo groups I think this would be a good idea -
> yahoo as we all know is terrible for searching out information.
> their color scheme isn't great either lol.
> 
> So I have decided to take it upon myself to create one.
> I run a linux server here in my studio and am using an open source
> phpBB package - info can be found here about this particular bulletin
> board interface: http://www.phpbb.com
> 
> Within the next few weeks my server will be mirrored at
> http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/ as well as their own mirrors located
> worldwide.
> I have unlimited bandwidth/disk space available to me.
> 
> My main interest is with epson/hp printers, both color and b+w
> printing, primarily for art reproduction, but the forum does not have
> to be limited here, and I hope it won't be ...
> 
> I understand that there is valuable information here already that
> could, if necessary, be transfered over to the new forum. I am
> interested in getting the admin of this forum to help me on that.
> 
> I would love some feedback from the members here as to what you would
> like to see within the forum. What categories are important ? etc
> 
> Please email me off list or reply here and lets start this ball rolling.
> 
> It is pretty much ready to go, I just to need to set up the style, and
> of course add Categories and Topics. :]
> 
> thanks
> 
> stuart linacre
> iolabsinc.com
> http://www.iolabsinc.com
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-10-23 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: quasi_ww
>
> I recently stumbled across this message about setting up a forum.
> I would much prefer a phpbb-style forum.  Did you finish yours?
> If so, where is it?  I didn't find anything at iolabs.com.

If it can't be accessed through a mailing list, I'm not interested. I've
signed up on some unknown number of "forums", and I rarely visit any of
them, except when I have a question, which may be as often as once a year.
Mailing lists, whose messages I've directed into appropriate mail folders
through mail rules, keep my attention.

But the biggest down side of bulletin-board style forums is that they don't
provide a way of keeping a post that contains useful information. In my
e-mail program, I do that by not hitting the Delete key.

A newsgroup (which can be on a private server, not just on Usenet) is sort
of an intermediate method--you don't have e-mail thrown at you, and you have
to open the group in a newsreader to see new messages, but it's still fairly
easy to save useful messages. Outlook Express lets you tag messages, and
keeps their contents in the cache even when they're gone from the server,
while Mozilla/Netscape lets you drag messages into local folders.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

[Digital BW] Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-10-23 by Greg

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. 
DeRocco" <pderocco@i...> wrote:
> 
> But the biggest down side of bulletin-board style forums is that 
they don't
> provide a way of keeping a post that contains useful information. 
In my
> e-mail program, I do that by not hitting the Delete key.


So highlighting the text, copy, and then paste into a text editor 
doesn't work? Also, depending on the forum, the message ID doesn't 
ever recycle, so all you have to do is save a favorite of the URL 
with the message you want to save, you can then go back to it at any 
time.

But what ever works best for you is of course what you should do.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-10-30 by Martin

>> I would love some feedback from the members here as to what you would
>> like to see within the forum. What categories are important ? Etc

I like the idea to be able to browse different sections in a php based
"real" forum. For example to focus on sections about:

- Paper issues
- Real neutral printing topics
- Sepia, blueish and other tonal printing techniques
- Longivity of prints
- Handling continuous ink flow systems (what if it stands idle for 2 weeks)
- Exhibitions and large format issues
- Art talk about modern black and white photography
- Tutorials and how-to's submitted by members

 etc.

On the other hand I can understand that the email system as for now kinda
"forces" me to keep in touch. A web based forum which requires a visit might
get neglected...

My opinion, so sum it up, goes for a "real" forum. I also like the visual
eye candy of avatars - not a bad thing since this forum is all about
visuals.

Smilies in all forms and shapes will help the more emotional artists and
photographers here to communicate their "views" better.

And after all, let's not forget the possibility to put pictures and graphs
into an (html) posting!

Isn't it technically possible to have both - a mirror of an php based forum
that is sent out as email list?


Martin

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-10-31 by Chris Aitken

> And after all, let's not forget the possibility to put 
> pictures and graphs into an (html) posting!

And god know what else! Seeing as a fair number of users here have the
inability to trim emails, I don't think I could bear to receive so many HTML
emails in a day - most with the same content and "me too" posted at the top.

Many savvy companies filter out HTML email, or convert them to plain text
too.

HTH

Chris


-- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-11-07 by Martin

Another most appreciated advantage of a "real" forum is the possibility to
edit your posting.

This is useful if inacurate information is being detected after sending the
message away.


Martin
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>> And after all, let's not forget the possibility to put
>> pictures and graphs into an (html) posting!
> 
> And god know what else! Seeing as a fair number of users here have the
> inability to trim emails, I don't think I could bear to receive so many HTML
> emails in a day - most with the same content and "me too" posted at the top.
> 
> Many savvy companies filter out HTML email, or convert them to plain text
> too.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Chris

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-11-07 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: Martin
>
> Another most appreciated advantage of a "real" forum is the possibility to
> edit your posting.
>
> This is useful if inacurate information is being detected after
> sending the message away.

Well, I, for one, doubt I'll ever participate if there is no mailing list or
newsgroup. I've signed up on a couple of dozen different forums on various
subjects, and I never get around to visiting them except maybe once a year
when I have a question. Unlike mailing lists, you have to take affirmative
steps to go to a forum, and I just never remember. If I was only interested
in one thing, I might remember, but I'm on a couple dozen mailing lists, and
I participate in another dozen newsgroups, so bulletin-board style forums
just never get my attention.

The worst problem with a forum is that when you encounter a message that you
want to keep, perhaps because it contains some information you want to refer
to later, you can't save it on your machine without copying it to the
clipboard, pasting it into a text file, navigating to some folder, and
typing in a name to save it under. With a mailing list, all you have to do
is not delete the message, and it remains in the mail folder, which you can
sort by sender, subject or date.

Newsgroups aren't bad (although privately hosted ones are better than Usenet
ones). I only have to open one program to be presented with all the
newsgroups I'm interested in, and see which ones have new messages. Outlook
Express lets me tag messages that are of interest, so they remain in the
cache even after they're gone from the server.

There is some software out there that can present a message repository as a
mailing list, newsgroup and web-based forum, depending upon the preference
of the user. I think it's from Lyris.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-11-11 by Martin

Hello Paul D. DeRocco, .. Hey ho to all fans of a real forum.

Folks - this ain't funny anymore. Read on and hear what happened to me
because this mailing list is so 20th century..

1. When repling to a post, the whole text (yahoo info) gets copied. I feel
like an editor watching out not to delete the wrong stuff.

2. But now it comes : mails got bounced. I lost 16 messages!! My email
address is at GMX, the largest provider in western Europe. Based in Germany
and top-notch. They know their craft.

And yet mails got bounced back - so Yahoo suspended messaging me.

Here's the reason that promted it:

http://faq.gmx.net/optionen/email/antispam/4.html

Don't ask me about it - I'm a visual photographer - not an editor with
ASCII. I'm surely not an Internet professional.

The cool thing of a real forum would be that I could on travel for example
follow up the talk with any ordinary browser - even on my PDA. Yes I can set
up some web mail, but it would not be Entourage with all its bells and
whistles like labels and flags.

Just a thought - time will tell which camp had the most vision for the
future.


Martin

PS: I just wanted to send this off - again a problem: it said "this message
must be sent as unicode... some cannot display properly... do you want to...


Oh my -- are we in the digital age or WHAT ?!
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>> From: Martin
>> 
>> Another most appreciated advantage of a "real" forum is the possibility to
>> edit your posting.
>> 
>> This is useful if inacurate information is being detected after
>> sending the message away.
> 
> Well, I, for one, doubt I'll ever participate if there is no mailing list or
> newsgroup. I've signed up on a couple of dozen different forums on various
> subjects, and I never get around to visiting them except maybe once a year
> when I have a question. Unlike mailing lists, you have to take affirmative
> steps to go to a forum, and I just never remember. If I was only interested
> in one thing, I might remember, but I'm on a couple dozen mailing lists, and
> I participate in another dozen newsgroups, so bulletin-board style forums
> just never get my attention.
> 
> The worst problem with a forum is that when you encounter a message that you
> want to keep, perhaps because it contains some information you want to refer
> to later, you can't save it on your machine without copying it to the
> clipboard, pasting it into a text file, navigating to some folder, and
> typing in a name to save it under. With a mailing list, all you have to do
> is not delete the message, and it remains in the mail folder, which you can
> sort by sender, subject or date.
> 
> Newsgroups aren't bad (although privately hosted ones are better than Usenet
> ones). I only have to open one program to be presented with all the
> newsgroups I'm interested in, and see which ones have new messages. Outlook
> Express lets me tag messages that are of interest, so they remain in the
> cache even after they're gone from the server.
> 
> There is some software out there that can present a message repository as a
> mailing list, newsgroup and web-based forum, depending upon the preference
> of the user. I think it's from Lyris.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@...
> 
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-11-11 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: Martin
> 
> Hello Paul D. DeRocco, .. Hey ho to all fans of a real forum.
> 
> Folks - this ain't funny anymore. Read on and hear what happened to me
> because this mailing list is so 20th century..
> 
> 1. When repling to a post, the whole text (yahoo info) gets copied. I feel
> like an editor watching out not to delete the wrong stuff.
> 
> 2. But now it comes : mails got bounced. I lost 16 messages!! My email
> address is at GMX, the largest provider in western Europe. Based 
> in Germany
> and top-notch. They know their craft.
> 
> And yet mails got bounced back - so Yahoo suspended messaging me.
> 
> Here's the reason that promted it:
> 
> http://faq.gmx.net/optionen/email/antispam/4.html
> 
> Don't ask me about it - I'm a visual photographer - not an editor with
> ASCII. I'm surely not an Internet professional.
> 
> The cool thing of a real forum would be that I could on travel for example
> follow up the talk with any ordinary browser - even on my PDA. 
> Yes I can set
> up some web mail, but it would not be Entourage with all its bells and
> whistles like labels and flags.
> 
> Just a thought - time will tell which camp had the most vision for the
> future.

Well, since you singled me out, I guess I have to answer.

You do realize, don't you, that you _can_ treat a Yahoo group as a forum, and use the web to access it? It may be a bit light on features, but it's there, and it works. You can read past messages, and search them for text.

-- 

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-11-11 by Clayton Jones

> 2. But now it comes : mails got bounced. I lost 16 messages!! 

Sorry to hear about the problem.  But like Paul said, you don't have
to use it that way.  I don't.  I treat it as an on line forum.  I come
here when I want and read what I want.  

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Re: Possible New "Real" Forum if there's interest.

2005-11-11 by Scott Jones

Also for what it is worth, you can also use the RSS feed feature which 
brings all the posts auotomatically to you in an RSS feed reader. I 
have tried all the methods of reading the group and this RSS method has 
proved by far the fastest and most convenient for me.

I use the free reader program called FeedReader which works great and 
can be found at http://www.feedreader.com/

For example, my reader is set up to get yahoo B&W printing board, 
Lenswork Blog, Photoshop News, Photo.net top rated photos, The Radiant 
Vista, and Rob Galbraith news all automatically.

It works great!

Scott

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