Digital BW, The Print

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Kale 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:26 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Sharpening images from a Canon 1Ds MKII


  Ok I am not happy with Photokit Sharpener and the images from my 1Ds MKII and would 
  be very interested in hearing from any other owners of this camera as to their sharpening 
  workflows (packaged or manual).  

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> From: Diane Fields <picnic@...>
> 
> Steve, have you tried the PixelGenius forum too?  Bruce Frasier seems to be
> there and answering questions and helping.
> http://forums.pixelgenius.com/showthread.php?t=569  but not sure you can get
> in without registering.  Have you tried using a mask on your sharpening layers
> and brushing out the sky and shadow areas (or using sharpening brushes instead
> of the sharpening effects)?  I'm assuming you are doing the capture and
> creative sharpenings and getting 'crunchy' areas which is what I've read
> elsewhere.  
> 
> Rob Galbraith's forums are always good for sound information.  It certainly
> wouldn't hurt to try there.
> 
> Diane
>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Kale" <stevekale@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:26 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Sharpening images from a Canon 1Ds MKII


Ok I am not happy with Photokit Sharpener and the images from my 1Ds MKII 
and would
be very interested in hearing from any other owners of this camera as to 
their sharpening
workflows (packaged or manual).  There is some discussion here

http://www.robgalbraith.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?
Cat=0&Number=331098&an=0&page=1#331098

and perhaps I should join that group but I thought I would also ask here as 
this group has
a wealth of info and experience.

Thanks

Steve






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> From: Henrik Tived <tived@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:03:54 +0800
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Sharpening images from a Canon 1Ds MKII
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> You certainly can't go wrong with Rob Galbraith's excellent forums, at least
> the Canon 1-series is excellent and most of the time very mature.
> 
> As for sharpning, i only have the 1Ds original, have you tried Fred
> Mirenda's actions http://www.fredmiranda.com/ Fred also have some nice
> forums
> 
> I use Phase One CaptureOne DSLR which I have found very good.
> 
> kindest regards
> 
> Henrik Tived

> > forums
> > 
> > I use Phase One CaptureOne DSLR which I have found very good.
> > 
> > kindest regards
> > 
> > Henrik Tived

> nice
> > > forums
> > > 
> > > I use Phase One CaptureOne DSLR which I have found very good.
> > > 
> > > kindest regards
> > > 
> > > Henrik Tived

> From: digikdm <monroekd@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:16:59 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Sharpening images from a Canon 1Ds MKII
> 
> Correction:
> I think it's amt-300, rad-0.3, and thresh-0
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "digikdm"
> <monroekd@h...> wrote:
>> why not try what Canon recommends for the 1DsMII? In PS use unsharp
>> mask settings:
>> Amt-300
>> Thresh-0.3
>> Radius-0

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Kale" <stevekale@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Sharpening images from a Canon 1Ds MKII


I guess I was hoping to find a "smarter" solution that Unsharp Mask but I
will try the suggestion anyway...


> From: digikdm <monroekd@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:16:59 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Sharpening images from a Canon 1Ds MKII
>
> Correction:
> I think it's amt-300, rad-0.3, and thresh-0
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "digikdm"
> <monroekd@h...> wrote:
>> why not try what Canon recommends for the 1DsMII? In PS use unsharp
>> mask settings:
>> Amt-300
>> Thresh-0.3
>> Radius-0





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On Apr 29, 2005, at 2:16 PM, Steve Kale wrote:

> I guess I was hoping to find a "smarter" solution that Unsharp Mask 
> but I
> will try the suggestion anyway...
>
>
>> From: digikdm <monroekd@...>
>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:16:59 -0000
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Sharpening images from a Canon 1Ds MKII
>>
>> Correction:
>> I think it's amt-300, rad-0.3, and thresh-0
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "digikdm"
>> <monroekd@h...> wrote:
>>> why not try what Canon recommends for the 1DsMII? In PS use unsharp
>>> mask settings:
>>> Amt-300
>>> Thresh-0.3
>>> Radius-0
>
>
>

> Steve,
>
> Have you tried "Deadman's Sharpeners"? In the below download there is 
> an action that was
> built using Bruce Fraser's techniques from one of his articles. It 
> uses masks and works
> extremely well. I think it's the basis of PhotoKit Sharpener but user 
> has more control over
> the process.
>
> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com/links.html
>

On Apr 28, 2005, at 12:26 PM, Steve Kale wrote:

> Ok I am not happy with Photokit Sharpener and the images from my 1Ds 
> MKII and would
> be very interested in hearing from any other owners of this camera as 
> to their sharpening
> workflows (packaged or manual).  There is some discussion here

On Apr 28, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Steve Kale wrote:

> I am only using the capture and output sharpening.  I find the capture
> sharpening is great with film but awful with digital.  It makes a mess 
> of
> skin for example.  Plus I find the 1Ds MKII requires a reasonably high
> amount of sharpening.

On Apr 29, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Steve Kale wrote:

> I have raised my issues with Photokit (it seems I am not alone) on the
> PixelGenius forum and Bruce Fraser has asked for more info.

> From: Eddie Gilbert <lists@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:03:29 -0400
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Sharpening images from a Canon 1Ds MKII
> 
> Steve et al,
> 
> I've been trailing this thread with some interest, and would like to
> clarify...
> 
> If I aggregate everything you have said, I _think_ you are really
> expressing dissatisfaction with the Photokit Sharpener "Capture
> Sharpening" when used with the 1Ds MkII, correct?
> 
> Many of the response postings on this thread seem to be suggesting
> general sharpening approaches, probably better suited for final-use
> (i.e., print, etc.) sharpening, as opposed to the much more subtle
> capture process counteraction sharpening done by the Photokit Capture
> Sharpener.
> 
> The clarification is relevant for anyone who has adopted the
> three-phase sharpening workflow afforded by the Photokit Sharpener
> tools, like myself.
> 
> If the clarification is correct, then I am very interested in what you
> learn, Steve, from Bruce Fraser on this topic. I myself am a recent
> convert from the 1Ds to the 1Ds MkII, and I agree that the Photokit
> Capture Sharpener (Hi-Res Digital) seems to be less effective for the
> capture sharpening stage with the 1Ds MkII than it did with the 1Ds. I
> wasn't sure if it was my imagination, or just the nature of the images
> I had tested, and I had not done exhaustive testing, but my impression
> was that perhaps the Photokit Capture Sharpening toolset needed another
> update to accommodate the 1Ds MkII.
> 
> Please update the group on what you learn from Bruce, and let me know
> if I can help get to the bottom of this. I really appreciated Photokit
> Sharpener's sharpening workflow approach with my 1Ds, and hope to
> maintain its benefits with the 1Ds MkII as well.
> 
> Regards,
> /eddie