Digital BW, The Print

<SNIP>

| For me, I have been playing around with dabbing my thumb into
| a pile of lead pencil trimmings, to get a thumbprint thing going. I
| press my thumb into the area just below my signature. Ink
| seemed to be too strong and dark, but lead seems about right;
| kinda light grey. Just to show that I made the print. I think I started
| to notice this factor when I started looking at EWeston prints;
| those "vintage" prints were made by him, and then those other
| ones followed later, made by his son. The vintage ones always
| seemed so much "better"; but that's probably only my projection.
| I'm sure they were technically fine, maybe even better tonally. But
| to know that EW made them, with that wacky setup in that cabin
| in Carmel, just made them SO much sweeter.

Hello,

Do you think that the difference between the "original" Weston prints and
the later ones might be the difference in the quality of the photographic
papers. Older papers had more silver, etc.

This is a question, not a statement, maybe it just seems that way.

John in OKC

1. Julian, Photo Eye takes 30% for commission and $10+ per 
image upfront for set-up.

2.  John,  I like those old Weston prints, but not all of them are 
perfect.  The Fine Art museum in Boston has a huge collection 
and the quality varies as much as any photographer's pile of 
prints would vary.  Maybe the old ones look good because they 
are starting to yellow a bit (I know they were mostly 
chlorabromide).  I've seen plenty on non archival fiber prints.

3.  Thank you Paul for your UV testing.  Does the Legion Photo 
Matte yellow and fade like an old Weston print or does it simply 
begin to look like crap?  I stopped using EAM because I don't like 
that Epson logo written all over the back.

4.  OK Mark, I'm finished using the term "piezo."  I could just as 
well use another stupid term like "giclee."  I'll stick with "carbon 
pigment" and explain it to people if asked.  

I have a show next month at a local gallery and the director called 
and asked about my labelling the image on the post card 
"carbon pigment print."  It is a two person show with a woman 
doing "monoprints."  The director asked, "Are your images 
photographs or prints?" I guess if you put it that way, I'll return to 
calling them photographs.  The show is simply called "Prints."

5.  Ternahan,  I guess a certificate of authentication makes 
sense as a gesture to the art buyer.  I'll do mine on demand..

Frank

http://www.culturalvisions.com

on 12/3/01 12:13 PM, frank@... wrote:

> 4.  OK Mark, I'm finished using the term "piezo."  I could just as
> well use another stupid term like "giclee."  I'll stick with "carbon
> pigment" and explain it to people if asked.
> 
> I have a show next month at a local gallery and the director called
> and asked about my labelling the image on the post card
> "carbon pigment print."  It is a two person show with a woman
> doing "monoprints."  The director asked, "Are your images
> photographs or prints?" I guess if you put it that way, I'll return to
> calling them photographs.  The show is simply called "Prints."

I'm not saying I love it, but if we call these things Carbon Pigment Digital
Prints, or Carbon Pigment Inkjet Prints, or even the lewd Carbon Pigment
Giclee, doesn't it just answer all those doubts?

Todd

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Todd Flashner 
<tflash@e...> wrote:
> I'm not saying I love it, but if we call these things Carbon 
Pigment Digital
> Prints, or Carbon Pigment Inkjet Prints, or even the lewd 
Carbon Pigment
> Giclee, doesn't it just answer all those doubts?


Todd, Frank,

In this show, I called mine: "Photograph: Carbon Pigment on 
Coated Watercolor Paper". I could just have easily omitted the 
word "coated"; it doesn't really add anything. Actually I like 
"acid-free" watercolor paper better. 

Like Paul Roark, I like the simple term "Photograph". In the big 
picture of art world, photograph is easy to categorize. I think it 
also begins to stop the covert apology about them not being 
silver prints. Personally, now that I'm using pigments instead of 
dyes, I'm ready to stop apologizing. I'll hold one of mine up to a 
silver print any day now.

I suggest that from this point forward, we all stop apologizing, as 
long as we've taken all the steps that are within our means to 
make a long-lasting print, (whatever that means).

That "piezograph" word reminds me of that Man Ray term, 
"Rayograph". Just sounds hokey and kitschy. Fine if others want 
to use it, but it's got a tinny sound to me when I hear it. Not solid. 
Sounds too close to "photograph"; but like a distant third-cousin 
that couldn't make the cut of being a true photograph.

Just my opinion.

Frank,

You wrote:

>3.  Thank you Paul for your UV testing.  Does the Legion Photo
>Matte yellow and fade like an old Weston print or does it simply
>begin to look like crap?  ...

Not being privileged enough to have both a dark-storage, control Weston, as
well as, one that has been on display for many years, I'm not in a position
to compare very closely.  If somebody would be willing to ship said items to
my Swiss bank account, I'd sure be willing take a look.  (No return postage
necessary.)

My best estimate is that if Weston had used the best modern pigments and
LPM, they would probably look better than any enlargements he might have
made -- even today, with reasonable handling.  (Of course, his contact
prints would, no doubt, be another story.  Did he do any enlargements?)

So, to summarize, I haven't a clue about the comparison, but I like LPM in
spite of its yellowing (which is probably caused largely by the brighteners
that the UV from my fluorescent light fader is burning out at an accelerated
rate).

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Time could also be a factor...silver patina is not instant.
t

> From: "JackG" <jackg@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 07:07:09 -0600
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Beyond the name: selling prints/print quality of old
> vs new
> 
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
> | For me, I have been playing around with dabbing my thumb into
> | a pile of lead pencil trimmings, to get a thumbprint thing going. I
> | press my thumb into the area just below my signature. Ink
> | seemed to be too strong and dark, but lead seems about right;
> | kinda light grey. Just to show that I made the print. I think I started
> | to notice this factor when I started looking at EWeston prints;
> | those "vintage" prints were made by him, and then those other
> | ones followed later, made by his son. The vintage ones always
> | seemed so much "better"; but that's probably only my projection.
> | I'm sure they were technically fine, maybe even better tonally. But
> | to know that EW made them, with that wacky setup in that cabin
> | in Carmel, just made them SO much sweeter.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Do you think that the difference between the "original" Weston prints and
> the later ones might be the difference in the quality of the photographic
> papers. Older papers had more silver, etc.
> 
> This is a question, not a statement, maybe it just seems that way.
> 
> John in OKC
> 
> 
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Paul Roark wrote:

>
>
> My best estimate is that if Weston had used the best modern pigments and
> LPM, they would probably look better than any enlargements he might have
> made -- even today, with reasonable handling.  (Of course, his contact
> prints would, no doubt, be another story.  Did he do any enlargements?)
>

Weston, like all artists was full of contradictions.  He said he never 'enlarged' or cropped', but he was
known to take negatives and enlarge sections, and make new negatives out of them (cropped).  That way he could
say that he never cropped....

Also, some of the 'yellowing' in the old Weston prints is from the 'Butcher's Wax' that he coated his prints
with, for the 'luster'.

Harvey Ferdschneider
partner, SKID Photography, NYC



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Paul--Thanks for your report.  I'm sticking with Legion Photo 
Matte for awhile, or at least until Epson Fine Art Smooth is out in 
13X19.  Your Weston print is in the mail.  I only had doubles of 
the Pepper.  I hope you don't mind such an old cliche.

Harvey-- I've got some Butcher's Wax and some Renassaince 
Wax lying around.  I'll try them on my LPM and maybe the paper 
will yellow with style.

I've tried the waxes with my platinum and silver prints and was 
not impressed, but that could have been the photographs' 
problem. 

Frank

http://www.culturalvisions.com 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., SKID Photography 
<skid@b...> wrote:
> Paul Roark wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > My best estimate is that if Weston had used the best modern 
pigments and
> > LPM, they would probably look better than any enlargements 
he might have
> > made -- even today, with reasonable handling.  (Of course, 
his contact
> > prints would, no doubt, be another story.  Did he do any 
enlargements?)
> >
> 
> Weston, like all artists was full of contradictions.  He said he 
never 'enlarged' or cropped', but he was
> known to take negatives and enlarge sections, and make new 
negatives out of them (cropped).  That way he could
> say that he never cropped....
> 
> Also, some of the 'yellowing' in the old Weston prints is from 
the 'Butcher's Wax' that he coated his prints

> with, for the 'luster'.
> 
> Harvey Ferdschneider
> partner, SKID Photography, NYC
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "culturalvisions" 
<frank@c...> wrote:
> I've tried the waxes with my platinum and silver prints and was 
> not impressed, but that could have been the photographs' 
> problem. 


Speaking of wax, I'll relay a depressing story: I went out to this 
gallery yesterday afternoon and saw this show with my prints. I'll 
get to my prints later....

But this one guy did oil on canvas, and then he "dipped" the 
whole framed print, maybe 8x10", into I assume, a vat of wax. It 
was super thick built up, maybe a quarterinch or halfinch thick, 
but you could still see the image very plainly; it was not milky. 
They were gorgeous.

Mine seemed to suffer from metamerism. They were too 
magenta. From now on, I think I'll take a Minolta color meter to 
the gallery and read the light, and then duplicate that somehow 
in my office, in order to judge the print in its intended space. 
(They were made with Gen4 pigments).

Secretly, in the last two days, I've been printing on MediaStreet 
canvas, and I"m LOVING it. I'm applying ageing varnish onto the 
canvas, and it takes two thick coats, but it's very pretty. I love the 
idea of NOT  having to baby the surface, like you do with 
standard photo paper. My rep hates it, because I'm drifting off 
into "starving artist" mentality, and playing 80's Ramones music, 
and not showering. (Should I "up" my medication?)

The image I'm printing I stuck on the front of my site:

http://marktucker.com

.

mark,
it is absolutely stunning! Where are you? i want to se it in person!
trish

p.s.
don't touch the meds!!!!!

> From: "mtucker508" <mark@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 15:51:16 -0000
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Beyond the name: selling prints/print quality of old
> vs new
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "culturalvisions"
> <frank@c...> wrote:
>> I've tried the waxes with my platinum and silver prints and was
>> not impressed, but that could have been the photographs'
>> problem. 
> 
> 
> Speaking of wax, I'll relay a depressing story: I went out to this
> gallery yesterday afternoon and saw this show with my prints. I'll
> get to my prints later....
> 
> But this one guy did oil on canvas, and then he "dipped" the
> whole framed print, maybe 8x10", into I assume, a vat of wax. It
> was super thick built up, maybe a quarterinch or halfinch thick,
> but you could still see the image very plainly; it was not milky.
> They were gorgeous.
> 
> Mine seemed to suffer from metamerism. They were too
> magenta. From now on, I think I'll take a Minolta color meter to
> the gallery and read the light, and then duplicate that somehow
> in my office, in order to judge the print in its intended space.
> (They were made with Gen4 pigments).
> 
> Secretly, in the last two days, I've been printing on MediaStreet
> canvas, and I"m LOVING it. I'm applying ageing varnish onto the
> canvas, and it takes two thick coats, but it's very pretty. I love the
> idea of NOT  having to baby the surface, like you do with
> standard photo paper. My rep hates it, because I'm drifting off
> into "starving artist" mentality, and playing 80's Ramones music,
> and not showering. (Should I "up" my medication?)
> 
> The image I'm printing I stuck on the front of my site:
> 
> http://marktucker.com
> 
> .
> 
> 
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OH oh oh oh... that's georgeous!!   That's the stuff I'm trying to do only
you are actually doing it... and doing it well!  I agree with Trish, don't
touch the meds... but showers can be good sometimes.

What's the aging varnish... just the wonderful amber stuff from Home depot?
Or are you mixing flakes of tree sap like I am??

Carolyn

> Secretly, in the last two days, I've been printing on MediaStreet
> canvas, and I"m LOVING it. I'm applying ageing varnish onto the
> canvas, and it takes two thick coats, but it's very pretty. I love the
> idea of NOT  having to baby the surface, like you do with
> standard photo paper. My rep hates it, because I'm drifting off
> into "starving artist" mentality, and playing 80's Ramones music,
> and not showering. (Should I "up" my medication?)
> 
> The image I'm printing I stuck on the front of my site:
> 
> http://marktucker.com

Mark,

<< The image I'm printing I stuck on the front of my site: >>

I love it too.  Are you doing the selective focus in the camera or in 
Photoshop, or is it the varnish?

Helene

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., grdglass@a... wrote:
> I love it too.  Are you doing the selective focus in the camera or 
in 
> Photoshop, or is it the varnish?


That particular picture was shot with this homemade camera 
that I made, which is a magnifying loupe rigged onto a 
Hasselblad. It's basically a $3000 Holga/Diana, but you don't 
have to put black tape on it to keep out the light leak. I think there' 
s picture of the camera somewhere on this page:

http://marktucker.com/plungercam/

There have been several versions of it; I"m now up to about 
Version 3.0. It's only sharp in the middle, and then, not really. But 
it's neat if you like things in the middle of the frame.

-Mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., grdglass@a... wrote:
> Mark,
, or is it the varnish? 
> Helene

I'm loving playing around with these sprays on this MediaStreet 
canvas. Here's the status report:

When the liquid varnish hits the canvas, it immediately shifts the 
color pretty greenish. So this last version, I did Levels in the 
green channel, and made the print VERY magenta. When the 
varnish hit it, it pulled it back pretty much where I wanted it 
(neutral). This is using Gen4 inks in a 7000.

I guess if you got into it, you could profile it by printing out the 
black chips, then varnish the canvas, then send it out to be read. 
You couldn't judge the prints til they'd been varnished, but it 
would be pretty darn close.

I got a spray by Blair (gloss), and Grumbacher (gloss), and 
Krylon TripleCoat (gloss); all aerosols. Then this brushon by 
Weber called Synvar (oilbase); that's my favorite; it richens the 
blacks and dries matte, after a coat or even two. Another good 
one for effect was Ageing Varnish, but it was VERY yellow/green 
after two coats. But neat for something; just don't know what.

Now what to do with the canvas: stretch it on a frame like a 
painting, or just mat it like a photograph? Or dip it in wax!

Mark, 

I can hear that music now....

".....24 hours a day....I wanna be sedated"  

(Ramones)



Your new website looks great. 

What did you do to that image on the home page (the link you sent) to get that "aged look"  was that the image on canvas with varnish?

Steadman
  ----- 


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> What did you do to that image on the home page (the link you 
sent) to get that "aged look"  was that the image on canvas with 
varnish?


Steadman,

You know I love you and all. But sometimes a guy just needs his 
privacy. If'n I told you, it would invalidate so many things that I've 
said on this list.

OK...OK...When I see a wall texture, or some rust, or a funky wall, 
I photograph it straight on. I keep a folder of these hi-rez scans 
on my hard drive. In this case, I took the image of the barn, and 
then copied the layer, and then GaussianBlurred it using Darken 
in the Mode, and then added noise to that layer. Then I took that 
scan of the rust, or my office wall, or whatever it was, and then 
added that layer, using SoftLight mode. Then you see what ya 
got, then you go back in those underlying layers and boost the 
contrast.

Then add a TON of magenta to counteract the varnish! And print 
it on canvas. Someday, I'll get bold enough to work on the image 
by hand, locally, with a charcoal pencil.

Then I'll spray it all and call it Archival (yeah, right....). We are 
quickly leaving the area of photography, and entering 
printmaking 101, (something I know nothing about).

-MT

PS. If you live in Rochester, come to a lecture that we're giving at 
RIT tomorrow night at 7pm. There's a show there too with 36 
prints from my 7000. (Oh, God, the fear of metamerism....)

Mark,

Are you in Rochester, NY ?

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "mtucker508" <mark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:42 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Beyond the name: selling prints/print quality of
old vs new


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich"
> <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> > What did you do to that image on the home page (the link you
> sent) to get that "aged look"  was that the image on canvas with
> varnish?
>
>
> Steadman,
>
> You know I love you and all. But sometimes a guy just needs his
> privacy. If'n I told you, it would invalidate so many things that I've
> said on this list.
>
> OK...OK...When I see a wall texture, or some rust, or a funky wall,
> I photograph it straight on. I keep a folder of these hi-rez scans
> on my hard drive. In this case, I took the image of the barn, and
> then copied the layer, and then GaussianBlurred it using Darken
> in the Mode, and then added noise to that layer. Then I took that
> scan of the rust, or my office wall, or whatever it was, and then
> added that layer, using SoftLight mode. Then you see what ya
> got, then you go back in those underlying layers and boost the
> contrast.
>
> Then add a TON of magenta to counteract the varnish! And print
> it on canvas. Someday, I'll get bold enough to work on the image
> by hand, locally, with a charcoal pencil.
>
> Then I'll spray it all and call it Archival (yeah, right....). We are
> quickly leaving the area of photography, and entering
> printmaking 101, (something I know nothing about).
>
> -MT
>
> PS. If you live in Rochester, come to a lecture that we're giving at
> RIT tomorrow night at 7pm. There's a show there too with 36
> prints from my 7000. (Oh, God, the fear of metamerism....)
>
>
>
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Scott Hendershot" 
<scott@p...> wrote:
> Mark,
> Are you in Rochester, NY ?

Right now, I'm sitting here in Nashville, sweaty after raquetball, 
and drinking a Corona. But my rep went to school at RIT, and 
we're going there tomorrow morning for a lecture and gallery 
show tomorrow night. If you're in Rochester, drop in. All 
DigitalBW Listmembers get automatic front row preferred 
seating and open bar. I have no idea where it is, but it's related to 
the photo department and art department.

This is one of those things that you do as a favor to your rep. This 
is her deal; I'm just showing pictures and trying to find a minute 
to roam around picturesque Rochester and shoot.

MT

Mark,

I will try to make it for the lecture. I am only about 20 minutes away. Are
you going to be lecturing?

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "mtucker508" <mark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:28 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Beyond the name: selling prints/print quality of
old vs new


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Scott Hendershot"
> <scott@p...> wrote:
> > Mark,
> > Are you in Rochester, NY ?
>
> Right now, I'm sitting here in Nashville, sweaty after raquetball,
> and drinking a Corona. But my rep went to school at RIT, and
> we're going there tomorrow morning for a lecture and gallery
> show tomorrow night. If you're in Rochester, drop in. All
> DigitalBW Listmembers get automatic front row preferred
> seating and open bar. I have no idea where it is, but it's related to
> the photo department and art department.
>
> This is one of those things that you do as a favor to your rep. This
> is her deal; I'm just showing pictures and trying to find a minute
> to roam around picturesque Rochester and shoot.
>
> MT
>
>
>
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> From: "mtucker508" <mark@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:42:34 -0000
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Beyond the name: selling prints/print quality of old
> vs new
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich"
> <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
>> What did you do to that image on the home page (the link you
> sent) to get that "aged look"  was that the image on canvas with
> varnish?
> 
> 
> Steadman,
> 
> You know I love you and all. But sometimes a guy just needs his
> privacy. If'n I told you, it would invalidate so many things that I've
> said on this list.
> 
> OK...OK...When I see a wall texture, or some rust, or a funky wall,
> I photograph it straight on. I keep a folder of these hi-rez scans
> on my hard drive. In this case, I took the image of the barn, and
> then copied the layer, and then GaussianBlurred it using Darken
> in the Mode, and then added noise to that layer. Then I took that
> scan of the rust, or my office wall, or whatever it was, and then
> added that layer, using SoftLight mode. Then you see what ya
> got, then you go back in those underlying layers and boost the
> contrast.
> 
> Then add a TON of magenta to counteract the varnish! And print
> it on canvas. Someday, I'll get bold enough to work on the image
> by hand, locally, with a charcoal pencil.
> 
> Then I'll spray it all and call it Archival (yeah, right....). We are
> quickly leaving the area of photography, and entering
> printmaking 101, (something I know nothing about).
> 
> -MT
> 
> PS. If you live in Rochester, come to a lecture that we're giving at
> RIT tomorrow night at 7pm. There's a show there too with 36
> prints from my 7000. (Oh, God, the fear of metamerism....)
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other
> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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Mark, would you be willing to divulge the type of canvas you're 
working with? And, have you tried other canvases that didn't measure 
up?

Tom Keesling

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mtucker508" <mark@m...> 
wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
> <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> > What did you do to that image on the home page (the link you 
> sent) to get that "aged look"  was that the image on canvas with 
> varnish?
> 
> 
> Steadman,
> 
> You know I love you and all. But sometimes a guy just needs his 
> privacy. If'n I told you, it would invalidate so many things that 
I've 
> said on this list.

Mon Mark, 

You shouldn't have told....but thanks anyway.  

Just so everyone in the eworld knows....I admire your style and your sense of humor...two things of high value and rarity...and a welcome addition to any forum.  

I even like your photographs too.  (understated compliment to contrast with the earlier gushing praise...which is still deserved.)

Regards...sincerely, 

Steadman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mtucker508 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:42 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Beyond the name: selling prints/print quality of old vs new


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
  <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
  > What did you do to that image on the home page (the link you 
  sent) to get that "aged look"  was that the image on canvas with 
  varnish?


  Steadman,

  You know I love you and all. But sometimes a guy just needs his 
  privacy. If'n I told you, it would invalidate so many things that I've 
  said on this list.

  OK...OK...When I see a wall texture, or some rust, or a funky wall, 
  I photograph it straight on. I keep a folder of these hi-rez scans 
  on my hard drive. In this case, I took the image of the barn, and 
  then copied the layer, and then GaussianBlurred it using Darken 
  in the Mode, and then added noise to that layer. Then I took that 
  scan of the rust, or my office wall, or whatever it was, and then 
  added that layer, using SoftLight mode. Then you see what ya 
  got, then you go back in those underlying layers and boost the 
  contrast.

  Then add a TON of magenta to counteract the varnish! And print 
  it on canvas. Someday, I'll get bold enough to work on the image 
  by hand, locally, with a charcoal pencil.

  Then I'll spray it all and call it Archival (yeah, right....). We are 
  quickly leaving the area of photography, and entering 
  printmaking 101, (something I know nothing about).

  -MT

  PS. If you live in Rochester, come to a lecture that we're giving at 
  RIT tomorrow night at 7pm. There's a show there too with 36 
  prints from my 7000. (Oh, God, the fear of metamerism....)


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I would actually love to go to Rochester to see Mark's dog and 
pony show.  It is a 6 hour drive for me so I'll pass this time.  I was 
in Rochester last month on a job and I don't want to do the trip 
again.  I will drink a Corona in Mark's honor.  Frank

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mtucker508" 
<mark@m...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Scott Hendershot" 
> <scott@p...> wrote:
> > Mark,
> > Are you in Rochester, NY ?
> 
> Right now, I'm sitting here in Nashville, sweaty after raquetball, 
> and drinking a Corona. But my rep went to school at RIT, and 
> we're going there tomorrow morning for a lecture and gallery 
> show tomorrow night. If you're in Rochester, drop in. All 
> DigitalBW Listmembers get automatic front row preferred 
> seating and open bar. I have no idea where it is, but it's related 
to 
> the photo department and art department.
> 
> This is one of those things that you do as a favor to your rep. 
This 

> is her deal; I'm just showing pictures and trying to find a minute 
> to roam around picturesque Rochester and shoot.
> 
> MT