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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hap Mullenneaux" <hapm@yahoo.com>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 3:39 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Ilford Gallerie Papers-Revisited


| Hello from Iowa,
| I wanted to check back and see if anyone has had more experience with 
| the Ilford Pearls.  The Classic is recommended for dye based inks so 
| I have been profiling it with the Epson oem inks for color printing 
| and so far it looks very good.  The Smooth Pearl supposedly works 
| with pigment inks and is fast drying.  Well, the tone with MIS FS is 
| beautiful, but 4 hours after printing I can still smudge ink in the 
| midtones.  I'm hoping someone has had it longer and knows that it 
| really dries.
| Thanks, Hap
| 
| --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Carolyn  Frayn 
| <carolyn@u...> wrote:
| > Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it...
| > 
| > Is anyone interested in these gloss papers?  The specs say they 
| will last 30
| > years with good quality pigment inks... 10 with dyes. 30 years may 
| not be
| > long enough for fine art photog's but for some commercial uses??
| > 
| > 
| <http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/galerie/htm/prod/prod
| ucts.h
| > tm>
| > 
| > Carolyn
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hap Mullenneaux" <hapm@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ilford Gallerie Papers-Revisited


| Maris,
| Here's what Ilford emailed me when I first inquired about the papers:
| "Thank you for your email regarding the new ILFORD Galeire inkjet 
| media. First let me explain that the Classic and the Pearl types are 
| two different technologies of inkjet. The Classic is designed for use 
| with dye based inks providing ultimate stability indoors and good 
| performance with the majority of desktop inkjet printers. It is not a 
| fast drying media. Also this media does not suffer from the so called 
| `gas fade` issue.
| The Smooth range is designed for high speed printing with piezo 
| printers also offering pigment compatibility. It is of the so 
| called 'instant dry' type. Like ALL media of this type with dye based 
| inks it can suffer from 'gas fade' It will have a shorter life with 
| dye based inks and should be displayed protected for long life. With 
| pigment inks it does not need to be protected and will last more
| than 30 years with this ink type."
| With your encouragement I have just tried the Classic with MIS FS 
| inks.  There is some bronzing in the dark areas, but I've seen 
| worse.  I'll let it dry overnight before trying a smudge test.  
| 
| Julian,
| So far I have avoided sprays.  Did you use the Ultima with the Ilford 
| Smooth Pearl?
| 
| Thanks, Hap
| 
| --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." 
| <mlidaka@a...> wrote:
| > I've been using the Ilford Classic Pearl for my pigment Epson C80 
| without smudging or drying problems.  Maybe the recommendation is 
| reversed?
| > 
| > Maris Lidaka Sr
| > 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [mailto:mlidaka@...]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:40 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ilford Gallerie Papers-Revisited


I'm not sure what Ilford was talking about because my box of paper is called
"Ilford Classic Pearl", meaning both words are part of the name.  I know
there is also an Ilford Smooth Gloss that I'm just about to try out.

Another difference might be that I'm using Epson C80 OEM ink while you are
sing piezo so I'll duck out now as I know this is the BW list.

Maris

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hap Mullenneaux" <hapm@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ilford Gallerie Papers-Revisited


| Maris,
| Here's what Ilford emailed me when I first inquired about the papers:
| "Thank you for your email regarding the new ILFORD Galeire inkjet
| media. First let me explain that the Classic and the Pearl types are
| two different technologies of inkjet. The Classic is designed for use
| with dye based inks providing ultimate stability indoors and good
| performance with the majority of desktop inkjet printers. It is not a
| fast drying media. Also this media does not suffer from the so called
| `gas fade` issue.
| The Smooth range is designed for high speed printing with piezo
| printers also offering pigment compatibility. It is of the so
| called 'instant dry' type. Like ALL media of this type with dye based
| inks it can suffer from 'gas fade' It will have a shorter life with
| dye based inks and should be displayed protected for long life. With
| pigment inks it does not need to be protected and will last more
| than 30 years with this ink type."
| With your encouragement I have just tried the Classic with MIS FS
| inks.  There is some bronzing in the dark areas, but I've seen
| worse.  I'll let it dry overnight before trying a smudge test.
|
| Julian,
| So far I have avoided sprays.  Did you use the Ultima with the Ilford
| Smooth Pearl?
|
| Thanks, Hap
|
| --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr."
| <mlidaka@a...> wrote:
| > I've been using the Ilford Classic Pearl for my pigment Epson C80
| without smudging or drying problems.  Maybe the recommendation is
| reversed?
| >
| > Maris Lidaka Sr
| >
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> From: "Hap Mullenneaux" <hapm@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 21:00:33 -0000
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ilford Gallerie Papers-Time to spray
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> Maris,
> Apparently when Ilford says Smooth Pearl is designed to be "instant
> dry" with pigment inks, they are refering to the inks in your C80.
> The MIS FS prints I did yesterday still smudge on the Smooth Pearl.
> MIS FS has the same slight bronzing and slow drying on the Smooth
> Pearl, the Classic Pearl and Epson Colorlife.  Come to think of it,
> the Epson pigments have always been better on glossy papers.  The
> 2000P prints on Epson Luster.
> 
> Jeff,
> Epson Colorlife=Ilford Classic, very interesting.  I compared B&W and
> color prints on these papers and it looks like you are right.  The
> main difference is price.  The Ilford Classic can be as low as
> $.40/sheet in a 250 box and the Colorlife is almost twice that.  My
> wife and I thought we could detect a slight difference in texture,
> but it's hard to say.
> 
> Julian and anyone using sprays to eliminate drying/bronzing problems,
> I guess I'll look for the Krylon Crystal Clear UV.  The Lyson
> Printguard says to let the print dry first and that could be a long
> time.  Any other suggestions and sources are appreciated.
> Thanks, Hap
> 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hap Mullenneaux" <hapm@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Ilford Gallerie Papers-Time to spray


| Maris,
| Apparently when Ilford says Smooth Pearl is designed to be "instant 
| dry" with pigment inks, they are refering to the inks in your C80.  
| The MIS FS prints I did yesterday still smudge on the Smooth Pearl. 
| MIS FS has the same slight bronzing and slow drying on the Smooth 
| Pearl, the Classic Pearl and Epson Colorlife.  Come to think of it, 
| the Epson pigments have always been better on glossy papers.  The 
| 2000P prints on Epson Luster.  
| 
| Jeff,
| Epson Colorlife=Ilford Classic, very interesting.  I compared B&W and 
| color prints on these papers and it looks like you are right.  The 
| main difference is price.  The Ilford Classic can be as low as 
| $.40/sheet in a 250 box and the Colorlife is almost twice that.  My 
| wife and I thought we could detect a slight difference in texture, 
| but it's hard to say.  
|   
| Julian and anyone using sprays to eliminate drying/bronzing problems,
| I guess I'll look for the Krylon Crystal Clear UV.  The Lyson 
| Printguard says to let the print dry first and that could be a long 
| time.  Any other suggestions and sources are appreciated.
| Thanks, Hap
| 
| 
| 
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