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2005-08-15 by albee_co
I am considering purchasing an epson C86 for use with MIS Associates EZ black and white inks. I have been discouraged after reading about black dots and ink spill over in this forum. I can deal with contrast or density adjustments but dots and ink marks would be too much. Can anybody comment on the use of the epson c86 with black and white inks. Thanks
2005-08-15 by Daniel Ridings
I've never had black dots or ink spills. I'm on my second printer. The first one got zapped by a power spike on the line when lightening hit a few weeks ago. Neither has given me anything else other than beautiful prints. I use the CIS system from MIS. Daniel Ridings http://www.dlridings.com/paw2005
On 8/15/05, albee_co <albee_co@...> wrote: > I am considering purchasing an epson C86 for use with MIS Associates > EZ black and white inks. I have been discouraged after reading about > black dots and ink spill over in this forum. I can deal with contrast > or density adjustments but dots and ink marks would be too much. Can > anybody comment on the use of the epson c86 with black and white inks. > > Thanks
2005-08-15 by Adam Maas
albee_co wrote: > I am considering purchasing an epson C86 for use with MIS Associates > EZ black and white inks. I have been discouraged after reading about > black dots and ink spill over in this forum. I can deal with contrast > or density adjustments but dots and ink marks would be too much. Can > anybody comment on the use of the epson c86 with black and white inks. > > Thanks > > I'm having good luck with mine so far. Although I'm currently doing BO with the epson ink. That said, I've only had it a few days so far. Gorgeous prints on EEM. I'd have to say I prefer it doing BO to my HP 7660 with the grey carts. I only bought it to use up the stock of EEM and Epson Heavyweight Matte that I've not been able to get to work reliably in the HP. -Adam
2005-08-15 by bfwoolner
My C86 with MIS EZ inks has worked flawlessly. Barbara
----- Original Message ----- From: "albee_co" <albee_co@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: [Digital BW] epson C86 printer I am considering purchasing an epson C86 for use with MIS Associates EZ black and white inks. I have been discouraged after reading about black dots and ink spill over in this forum. I can deal with contrast or density adjustments but dots and ink marks would be too much. Can anybody comment on the use of the epson c86 with black and white inks. Thanks Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2005-08-15 by Paul Roark
I have seen those dots in the past, either on a sample or on one of my C8x series printers, but I don't know what caused them. It is not the norm. I still recommend the printer and use it to make even the 8x10 prints that I sell. My "Readme" on the printer (which is basically my notes to myself and others as to settings, etc.) is at http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/C86-EZ-UT-Readme.htm. See also the tips as to the resetter and bottom fill adapter that I've found useful at http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/C86-EZ-UT-Readme.htm (in the C86 section). Paul www.PaulRoark.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > albee_co > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:45 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] epson C86 printer > > I am considering purchasing an epson C86 for use with MIS Associates > EZ black and white inks. I have been discouraged after reading about > black dots and ink spill over in this forum. I can deal with contrast > or density adjustments but dots and ink marks would be too much. Can > anybody comment on the use of the epson c86 with black and white inks. > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2005-08-15 by Jeff Medkeff
albee_co wrote: > I have been discouraged after reading about > black dots and ink spill over in this forum. I've not had any ink spill, but I am one of two or three people persistently having the black dots. You really have to go looking for them - I suspect some people who say they don't get them probably have, and just haven't noticed. I have not yet exhausted all the troubleshooting steps that I've worked out, so there may yet be a fix in the offing. IMO even if there is not an end-user solution to the black dot problem, the convenience and cost advantages of MIS EZ make the system worthwhile. I've been using settings based on Paul Roark's; he's already given you the url. I'm using EZN; this makes beautiful, rich-looking B&W prints. Much nicer than anything I ever managed to make with my 2200. -- Jeff Medkeff Eagle River, Alaska
2005-08-15 by Jordan Wosnick
Another vote for this combination. The prints are very nice and compare favourably with what I can produce in the traditional darkroom (to my eyes). I even just bought 4 oz. bottles of ink and refillable cartridges. Highly recommended. Jordan albee_co wrote: > I am considering purchasing an epson C86 for use with MIS Associates > EZ black and white inks. I have been discouraged after reading about > black dots and ink spill over in this forum. I can deal with contrast > or density adjustments but dots and ink marks would be too much. Can > anybody comment on the use of the epson c86 with black and white inks. > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- Jordan Wosnick jwosnick@...
2005-08-16 by Intrinsic Pictures
Another yes vote from me, assuming it's as least as good as my C84. Only minor quibbles with mine so far have been an inability to get a perfect nozzle check (it's insignificant b/c it does not show up in the prints to my critical eye). Also, it has trouble loading some of the heavier/stiffer papers sometimes. And while I won't sell its glossy prints due to annoying gloss differential (still perfectly fine for sharing snaps), the matte ones on HPR, Innova Cold Press/Soft Texture, etc. are absolutely sales-worthy... hard to believe, but this is even with "high speed" checked(!) Great, affordable little setup and IMO an easy way to stick a toe in the proverbial water. Doug On Aug 15, 2005, at 9:10 PM, DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:44:51 -0000 > From: "albee_co" <albee_co@...> > Subject: epson C86 printer > > I am considering purchasing an epson C86 for use with MIS Associates > EZ black and white inks. I have been discouraged after reading about > black dots and ink spill over in this forum. I can deal with contrast > or density adjustments but dots and ink marks would be too much. Can > anybody comment on the use of the epson c86 with black and white inks. > > Thanks
2005-08-16 by Scott McLoughlin
Exception rather than the rule. After letting my C84 sit for many, many months idle I developed a nasty clog that I couldn't free up with cleaning cycles (I was too lazy to try Windex and the like.) Once, I bought a 2nd C86, I loaded the C84 with the Durabrite Epson inks and it was fine after one cleaning cycle or two. So I sold it to a friend for a nominal fee, and he's happily using it to this day. Other than that incident, I've had pretty much trouble free operation (knock wood). Just make a print every couple of weeks and it's fine. Throw just about anything at it, tweak the sliders and it makes lovely prints. Scott albee_co wrote:
> I am considering purchasing an epson C86 for use with MIS Associates > EZ black and white inks. I have been discouraged after reading about > black dots and ink spill over in this forum. I can deal with contrast > or density adjustments but dots and ink marks would be too much. Can > anybody comment on the use of the epson c86 with black and white inks. > > Thanks > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd > AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Digital photography technique > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Digital+photography+technique&w1=Digital+photography+technique&w2=Digital+photography&w3=Photography+school&w4=Professional+digital+photography&w5=Stock+photography&c=5&s=145&.sig=hJsrVba0gCEH_EJWeAPgGg> > Digital photography > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Digital+photography&w1=Digital+photography+technique&w2=Digital+photography&w3=Photography+school&w4=Professional+digital+photography&w5=Stock+photography&c=5&s=145&.sig=XjDj6rzZjV2EEB5dX9StOQ> > Photography school > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Photography+school&w1=Digital+photography+technique&w2=Digital+photography&w3=Photography+school&w4=Professional+digital+photography&w5=Stock+photography&c=5&s=145&.sig=bTvYzsfL5ix-2_1p-F8DJA> > > Professional digital photography > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Professional+digital+photography&w1=Digital+photography+technique&w2=Digital+photography&w3=Photography+school&w4=Professional+digital+photography&w5=Stock+photography&c=5&s=145&.sig=qgOfEeUJmLsjLLLBKDbu5A> > Stock photography > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Stock+photography&w1=Digital+photography+technique&w2=Digital+photography&w3=Photography+school&w4=Professional+digital+photography&w5=Stock+photography&c=5&s=145&.sig=MYCryIdDyueUNlYN9BYuig> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint>" on > the web. > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >
2005-08-16 by bjornaagedk
Well, I have had several problems with my C86/EZN setup, especially with ink spill. Large wet drops all over the print. MIS told me not only to use the rubber plug to close the top holes of the carts but to seal them with hot melting glue as well. I havent tried so yet, but used a piece of tape instead to seal them. The problem [almost] disapeared, but I have seen a few drops after that. I have had the same problem with three C86 printers, all brand new. I have also tried with several new cartridges and have not been able to totally eliminate the problem so far. It's a shame, because the print quality from this simple and very cheap setup is very good. I must say that I also have a C86 printer loaded with MIS durabrite equivalent inks in the same type of carts, and have never had any problems with inks spill with color inks. Bjorn
> On Aug 15, 2005, at 9:10 PM, > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:44:51 -0000 > > From: "albee_co" <albee_co@y...> > > Subject: epson C86 printer > > > > I am considering purchasing an epson C86 for use with MIS Associates > > EZ black and white inks. I have been discouraged after reading about > > black dots and ink spill over in this forum. I can deal with contrast > > or density adjustments but dots and ink marks would be too much. Can > > anybody comment on the use of the epson c86 with black and white inks. > > > > Thanks
2005-08-16 by lou4photo
Hi all. My name is Louis Meluso. I am Photography Manager for the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art in Kansas City. At work I print fine art subjects on an Epson 7600, 5500 and R2400. I've been lurking here for a while and find it very interesting and informative. Since this question came up I thought I would jump in and say hello. I just bought a new C86 and MIS-EZ-N inkset to make some nice B&W prints at home. The inital investment is quite reasonable and the setup was easy. I started off using Paul Roark's suggested settings but found them a bit too flat for my machine. Initally my very first prints had bad overspray "dots" on the edge of the image and bad banding. I found I could not get a clean black nozzle check. New machine so I figured no clog but air bubble in the line. I shut the printer down and let it sit overnight and restarted the next day. Surprise! Perfect nozzle check! Perfect purge print. No overspray! I'm stoked! I took a couple hours of running scales and some small test images to get at driver/PS curve setting that gave me good range and separation on EEM and HPR. I can't say it was really quite "EZ" but now my prints are looking real nice and smooth. I think the word "wow" did leave my lips at one point. Not quite the brilliance of BO printing but I think with a bit more tweaking of the curve it will yeild very satisfying results with great tonal smoothness. I haven't tried refilling the carts yet but it looks fairly straight forward. I say jump in! My thanks to the many that share information and experiences on this forum. It has helped me a great deal. Louis Meluso