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So if not the 1280... relatively painless 13x19 for a C8x user?

So if not the 1280... relatively painless 13x19 for a C8x user?

2005-09-07 by Intrinsic Pictures

I've loved my trial experience with my C84 and UT-EZ inks (well...at 
least with the matte papers). Now I want to do the same in a larger 
format. This seemed to point directly to the 1280, where I could branch 
out a little into simple toning, or default to the sliders if I didn't 
want to mess with it.

Now I read (and recall reading previously over the years) all the 
horror stories about the 1280, clogs from hell, dye printers maybe not 
being the best for pigs, etc. I don't have the time or patience to 
fiddle with a fussy printer every day. I'm a knowledgeable Photoshop 
user, but would prefer a more intuitive solution than transfer curves.

So is it still possible to get relatively painless 13x19-ish black & 
white using the Epson driver and UT inks? In an ideal world, they'd 
match the output from my C84 with EZ-N so I could continue to use and 
sell both seamlessly.

TIA,
Doug
www.IntrinsicPictures.com

RE: [Digital BW] So if not the 1280... relatively painless 13x19 for a C8x user?

2005-09-07 by Paul Roark

I don't know what the relative reliability of the 1280 is compared to other
printers.  I suspect printers made for pigments are more reliable, if for no
other reason than they seem to run small cleaning cycles more frequently.
That may well be the only difference.

In my view, one of the big problems with the 1280 was the carts that
preceded the new spongeless ones.

As to a 13" equivalent of the C86, there simply is none.  The cheapest 13"
pigment printer is a used 2000P.  Arguably my most reliable printer is my
7500 (now back in use since my 7600 crashed).  It may be that a good used or
refurbished 2000P would be a potential choice.  I have a Readme file on my
website regarding this setup.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> Subject: [Digital BW] So if not the 1280... relatively painless 13x19 for
> a C8x user?
> 
> I've loved my trial experience with my C84 and UT-EZ inks (well...at
> least with the matte papers). Now I want to do the same in a larger
> format. This seemed to point directly to the 1280, where I could branch
> out a little into simple toning, or default to the sliders if I didn't
> want to mess with it.
> 
> Now I read (and recall reading previously over the years) all the
> horror stories about the 1280, clogs from hell, dye printers maybe not
> being the best for pigs, etc. I don't have the time or patience to
> fiddle with a fussy printer every day. I'm a knowledgeable Photoshop
> user, but would prefer a more intuitive solution than transfer curves.
> 
> So is it still possible to get relatively painless 13x19-ish black &
> white using the Epson driver and UT inks? In an ideal world, they'd
> match the output from my C84 with EZ-N so I could continue to use and
> sell both seamlessly.
> 
> TIA,
> Doug
> www.IntrinsicPictures.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: So if not the 1280... relatively painless 13x19 for a C8x user?

2005-09-07 by m87507

2 cents more on this...I've been using a 1280 for over a year and a 
half, that I bought as a new/refurb from Epson....started off with 
pigment MIS "archival color" inkset, CIS, sponged  carts, w/eboni in 
the K position. Have never run dye inks through it. Have had no major 
clogs at all, no problems with the CIS at all...just 1-3 cleaning 
cycles occasionally to clean out the K and M heads mainly, no big 
deal...prints perfectly after cleaning. Most of the time it doesn't 
need cleaning. And I don't use this printer more than once every week 
or two (mainly print B/O & sepia with it.) And I live at 7500' in 
desert dry conditions, but do have a humidifier turned on when the 
humidity drops below 50% inside.  Just my experience, maybe I'm 
lucky, maybe it has everything to do with not running dye inks first. 
Another Epson I have that I DID run dye inks through at first, simply 
would not subsequently print MIS UT pigments, always clogged, so I 
gave up and switched back to dyes for that one (dye inks are ideal 
for digital negatives on Pictorico film, BTW)...Mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Intrinsic 
Pictures <lists@i...> wrote:
> I've loved my trial experience with my C84 and UT-EZ inks 
(well...at 
> least with the matte papers). Now I want to do the same in a larger 
> format. This seemed to point directly to the 1280, where I could 
branch 
> out a little into simple toning, or default to the sliders if I 
didn't 
> want to mess with it.
> 
> Now I read (and recall reading previously over the years) all the 
> horror stories about the 1280, clogs from hell, dye printers maybe 
not 
> being the best for pigs, etc. I don't have the time or patience to 
> fiddle with a fussy printer every day. I'm a knowledgeable 
Photoshop 
> user, but would prefer a more intuitive solution than transfer 
curves.
> 
> So is it still possible to get relatively painless 13x19-ish black 
& 
> white using the Epson driver and UT inks? In an ideal world, they'd 
> match the output from my C84 with EZ-N so I could continue to use 
and 
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> sell both seamlessly.
> 
> TIA,
> Doug
> www.IntrinsicPictures.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: So if not the 1280... relatively painless 13x19 for a C8x user?

2005-09-07 by Allan Chen

I'm actually got the same story as Mark.  I live in the Bay area - 
humidity is decent, not too hot, etc.  I have never had a clog that 
resisted even a single cleaning cycle, and usually only with the 
magenta.  Never with any of the other inks.  I've used a CIS in it since 
day 1, and have not had any problems with that, either.  I would say I 
print about 1 full page a week.  I try to do a nozzle check every other 
day.

I also have never run dye inks through this printer.

Of course, I've probably just jinxed myself.

allan

m87507 wrote:
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> 2 cents more on this...I've been using a 1280 for over a year and a 
> half, that I bought as a new/refurb from Epson....started off with 
> pigment MIS "archival color" inkset, CIS, sponged  carts, w/eboni in 
> the K position. Have never run dye inks through it. Have had no major 
> clogs at all, no problems with the CIS at all...just 1-3 cleaning 
> cycles occasionally to clean out the K and M heads mainly, no big 
> deal...prints perfectly after cleaning. Most of the time it doesn't 
> need cleaning. And I don't use this printer more than once every week 
> or two (mainly print B/O & sepia with it.) And I live at 7500' in 
> desert dry conditions, but do have a humidifier turned on when the 
> humidity drops below 50% inside.  Just my experience, maybe I'm 
> lucky, maybe it has everything to do with not running dye inks first. 
> Another Epson I have that I DID run dye inks through at first, simply 
> would not subsequently print MIS UT pigments, always clogged, so I 
> gave up and switched back to dyes for that one (dye inks are ideal 
> for digital negatives on Pictorico film, BTW)...Mark
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Intrinsic 
> Pictures <lists@i...> wrote:
> 
>>I've loved my trial experience with my C84 and UT-EZ inks 
> 
> (well...at 
> 
>>least with the matte papers). Now I want to do the same in a larger 
>>format. This seemed to point directly to the 1280, where I could 
> 
> branch 
> 
>>out a little into simple toning, or default to the sliders if I 
> 
> didn't 
> 
>>want to mess with it.
>>
>>Now I read (and recall reading previously over the years) all the 
>>horror stories about the 1280, clogs from hell, dye printers maybe 
> 
> not 
> 
>>being the best for pigs, etc. I don't have the time or patience to 
>>fiddle with a fussy printer every day. I'm a knowledgeable 
> 
> Photoshop 
> 
>>user, but would prefer a more intuitive solution than transfer 
> 
> curves.
> 
>>So is it still possible to get relatively painless 13x19-ish black 
> 
> & 
> 
>>white using the Epson driver and UT inks? In an ideal world, they'd 
>>match the output from my C84 with EZ-N so I could continue to use 
> 
> and 
> 
>>sell both seamlessly.
>>
>>TIA,
>>Doug
>>www.IntrinsicPictures.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: So if not the 1280... relatively painless 13x19 for a C8x user?

2005-09-07 by Allan Chen

I'm actually got the same story as Mark.  I live in the Bay area -
humidity is decent, not too hot, etc.  I have never had a clog that
resisted even a single cleaning cycle, and usually only with the
magenta.  Never with any of the other inks.  I've used a CIS in it since
day 1, and have not had any problems with that, either.  I would say I
print about 1 full page a week.  I try to do a nozzle check every other
day.

I also have never run dye inks through this printer.

Of course, I've probably just jinxed myself.

allan

m87507 wrote:
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> 2 cents more on this...I've been using a 1280 for over a year and a 
> half, that I bought as a new/refurb from Epson....started off with 
> pigment MIS "archival color" inkset, CIS, sponged  carts, w/eboni in 
> the K position. Have never run dye inks through it. Have had no major 
> clogs at all, no problems with the CIS at all...just 1-3 cleaning 
> cycles occasionally to clean out the K and M heads mainly, no big 
> deal...prints perfectly after cleaning. Most of the time it doesn't 
> need cleaning. And I don't use this printer more than once every week 
> or two (mainly print B/O & sepia with it.) And I live at 7500' in 
> desert dry conditions, but do have a humidifier turned on when the 
> humidity drops below 50% inside.  Just my experience, maybe I'm 
> lucky, maybe it has everything to do with not running dye inks first. 
> Another Epson I have that I DID run dye inks through at first, simply 
> would not subsequently print MIS UT pigments, always clogged, so I 
> gave up and switched back to dyes for that one (dye inks are ideal 
> for digital negatives on Pictorico film, BTW)...Mark
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Intrinsic 
> Pictures <lists@i...> wrote:
> 
>>I've loved my trial experience with my C84 and UT-EZ inks 
> 
> (well...at 
> 
>>least with the matte papers). Now I want to do the same in a larger 
>>format. This seemed to point directly to the 1280, where I could 
> 
> branch 
> 
>>out a little into simple toning, or default to the sliders if I 
> 
> didn't 
> 
>>want to mess with it.
>>
>>Now I read (and recall reading previously over the years) all the 
>>horror stories about the 1280, clogs from hell, dye printers maybe 
> 
> not 
> 
>>being the best for pigs, etc. I don't have the time or patience to 
>>fiddle with a fussy printer every day. I'm a knowledgeable 
> 
> Photoshop 
> 
>>user, but would prefer a more intuitive solution than transfer 
> 
> curves.
> 
>>So is it still possible to get relatively painless 13x19-ish black 
> 
> & 
> 
>>white using the Epson driver and UT inks? In an ideal world, they'd 
>>match the output from my C84 with EZ-N so I could continue to use 
> 
> and 
> 
>>sell both seamlessly.
>>
>>TIA,
>>Doug
>>www.IntrinsicPictures.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.
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> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section:
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