Digital BW, The Print

Are you guys seeing an substantial improvement in the deepest black
reading with the Epsn K3 over previous Ultrachrome. I know you should
have some  highlight advantage, but what about blacks? I am primarily
interested in the 7800/9800 with our without a rip.

John

John 

The Matte black ink is exactly the same.  There is improvement in the OK
ink.

Steve

> From: john dean <deanwork2003@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:28:28 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Max Black reading with Epson k2 and k3 compared
> 
> Are you guys seeing an substantial improvement in the deepest black
> reading with the Epsn K3 over previous Ultrachrome. I know you should
> have some  highlight advantage, but what about blacks? I am primarily
> interested in the 7800/9800 with our without a rip.
> 
> John  
>

So, the answer is no change in DMax with K3 Matte black but there is
improvement with the Photo black, or what? I'm not that worried about
it, I'm just curious.  

John



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
<stevekale@b...> wrote:

>
> John 
> 
> The Matte black ink is exactly the same.  There is improvement in the OK
> ink.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> > From: john dean <deanwork2003@y...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:28:28 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Max Black reading with Epson k2 and k3 compared
> > 
> > Are you guys seeing an substantial improvement in the deepest black
> > reading with the Epsn K3 over previous Ultrachrome. I know you should
> > have some  highlight advantage, but what about blacks? I am primarily
> > interested in the 7800/9800 with our without a rip.
> > 
> > John  
> >
>

Yes I believe that is what I said.  ;-)

Now if only I could get my hands on some of those Nanochromes...If the black
density is over 2 with longevity comparable to the UCs then I am really
interested. 

> From: john dean <deanwork2003@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:19:36 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Max Black reading with Epson k2 and k3 compared
> 
> So, the answer is no change in DMax with K3 Matte black but there is
> improvement with the Photo black, or what? I'm not that worried about
> it, I'm just curious.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
> <stevekale@b...> wrote:
>> 
>> John 
>> 
>> The Matte black ink is exactly the same.  There is improvement in the OK
>> ink.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>>> From: john dean <deanwork2003@y...>
>>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:28:28 -0000
>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Subject: [Digital BW] Max Black reading with Epson k2 and k3 compared
>>> 
>>> Are you guys seeing an substantial improvement in the deepest black
>>> reading with the Epsn K3 over previous Ultrachrome. I know you should
>>> have some  highlight advantage, but what about blacks? I am primarily
>>> interested in the 7800/9800 with our without a rip.
>>> 
>>> John  
>>>

According to this test there is a significant difference in mk 
density  between K2 and K3, depending on the media used. That is what
I thought.

http://www.inkjetart.com/news/archive/IJN_11-16-05.html#8

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> >> The Matte black ink is exactly the same.  There is improvement in
the OK
> >> ink.
> >> 
> >> Steve
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> From: john dean <deanwork2003@y...>
> >>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:28:28 -0000
> >>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m>
> >>> Subject: [Digital BW] Max Black reading with Epson k2 and k3
compared
> >>> 
> >>> Are you guys seeing an substantial improvement in the deepest black
> >>> reading with the Epsn K3 over previous Ultrachrome. I know you
should
> >>> have some  highlight advantage, but what about blacks? I am
primarily

> >>> interested in the 7800/9800 with our without a rip.
> >>> 
> >>> John  
> >>>
>

John

What do you want me to say?  The matte INK is exactly the same with the same
order number, part number, whatever.  The new PRINTERS have improved in
numerous ways.

Those are quite interesting numbers for PremierArt's Luster Rag.  Has anyone
tried this paper?

Steve

> From: john dean <deanwork2003@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:42:41 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Max Black reading with Epson k2 and k3 compared
> 
> According to this test there is a significant difference in mk
> density  between K2 and K3, depending on the media used. That is what
> I thought.
> 
> http://www.inkjetart.com/news/archive/IJN_11-16-05.html#8
>

I know it is very difficlt for you to conceive of, but I wasn't asking
YOU anything at all, only someone who might actually know what they
are talking about. And no one need you to tell us that the new
printers have improved in many ways, that is common knowledge.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
>
> John
> 
> What do you want me to say?  The matte INK is exactly the same with
the same
> order number, part number, whatever.  The new PRINTERS have improved in
> numerous ways.
> 
> Those are quite interesting numbers for PremierArt's Luster Rag. 
Has anyone
> tried this paper?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> > From: john dean <deanwork2003@y...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:42:41 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Max Black reading with Epson k2 and k3
compared

> > 
> > According to this test there is a significant difference in mk
> > density  between K2 and K3, depending on the media used. That is what
> > I thought.
> > 
> > http://www.inkjetart.com/news/archive/IJN_11-16-05.html#8
> >
>

John.  

I do know what I am talking about - I have a 4800 and have ordered and used
the MK ink. For a short while after the 4800 release, the MK ink was the
ONLY replacement ink available for the new 4800 simply because it is the old
UC MK ink which of course had been in circulation for some time.  There has
been NO improvement in the matte black in K3 over the UCs because it is the
EXACT SAME INK.  This too is common knowledge and has been stated here and
on the WF forum countless times. I know you've seen the posts.  As you note
yourself the printers using the new inks and the same MK ink have improved.
Those printer improvements have led to better utilisation of the same matte
ink.  It really is that simple.

Steve