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Epson 3000 still viable?

2006-02-21 by sedernb

Hello, 
Thank you in advance for any help that you can provide. I have used QTR 
with an Epson 2200 and I am very impressed. I know someone with an 
Epson 3000 that is just sitting around. I know that I could get it for 
free or for very little money. The owner did say that it exhibits some 
banding, but I am not sure to what degree or what the cause is. 
Assuming that the 3000 is in good working order, is it still a viable 
quadtone printer if I were to get a quadtone inkset for it and create 
my own curves for QTR (I have Eye One Photo, so I have the hardware to 
create my own curves)? Or is the larger dot size (compared to today's 
pritners) too problematic? Any other issues with this setup? Anybody 
out there using such a setup? Again, any input would be greatly 
appreciated. 
Seder Burns
Photo Education Department Head
School of Art and Design
Toledo Museum of Art

Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3000 still viable?

2006-02-21 by Andrew Rodger

On 21 Feb 2006, at 15:15, sedernb wrote:

> Hello,
> Thank you in advance for any help that you can provide. I have used  
> QTR
> with an Epson 2200 and I am very impressed. I know someone with an
> Epson 3000 that is just sitting around. I know that I could get it for
> free or for very little money. The owner did say that it exhibits some
> banding, but I am not sure to what degree or what the cause is.
> Assuming that the 3000 is in good working order, is it still a viable
> quadtone printer if I were to get a quadtone inkset for it and create
> my own curves for QTR (I have Eye One Photo, so I have the hardware to
> create my own curves)? Or is the larger dot size (compared to today's
> pritners) too problematic? Any other issues with this setup? Anybody
> out there using such a setup? Again, any input would be greatly
> appreciated.
> Seder Burns


I too am very interested to know what the general feeling is with  
this. I was going to get Lyson QT but was told that they are to be  
discontinued and was advised to use Small Gamut instead in my 3000.  
Lyson reckoned that the 3000 was fine for this purpose and would need  
no profiling to work with their QT.

Drew



Made In Scotland On A High Mac!



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Re: Epson 3000 still viable?

2006-02-21 by dlruckus

Hello Seder.
I believe it is very viable for monochrome work. I am using one for
that purpose and also using QTR with it. With Quad tone properly set
up dots shouldn't be an issue. Larger prints would be best use for it.

Regards
Duane




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sedernb"
<sedernb@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello, 
> Thank you in advance for any help that you can provide. I have used QTR 
> with an Epson 2200 and I am very impressed. I know someone with an 
> Epson 3000 that is just sitting around. I know that I could get it for 
> free or for very little money. The owner did say that it exhibits some 
> banding, but I am not sure to what degree or what the cause is. 
> Assuming that the 3000 is in good working order, is it still a viable 
> quadtone printer if I were to get a quadtone inkset for it and create 
> my own curves for QTR (I have Eye One Photo, so I have the hardware to 
> create my own curves)? Or is the larger dot size (compared to today's 
> pritners) too problematic? Any other issues with this setup? Anybody 
> out there using such a setup? Again, any input would be greatly 
> appreciated. 
> Seder Burns
> Photo Education Department Head
> School of Art and Design
> Toledo Museum of Art
>

Re: Epson 3000 still viable?

2006-02-21 by sedernb

Hello Duane, 
Thanks for the reply. Please let me know what inkset you are 
presently using and if you have used any other inksets previously? 
Seder

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dlruckus" 
<dlruckus@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Seder.
> I believe it is very viable for monochrome work. I am using one for
> that purpose and also using QTR with it. With Quad tone properly set
> up dots shouldn't be an issue. Larger prints would be best use for 
it.
> 
> Regards
> Duane
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sedernb"
> <sedernb@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, 
> > Thank you in advance for any help that you can provide. I have 
used QTR 
> > with an Epson 2200 and I am very impressed. I know someone with 
an 
> > Epson 3000 that is just sitting around. I know that I could get 
it for 
> > free or for very little money. The owner did say that it exhibits 
some 
> > banding, but I am not sure to what degree or what the cause is. 
> > Assuming that the 3000 is in good working order, is it still a 
viable 
> > quadtone printer if I were to get a quadtone inkset for it and 
create 
> > my own curves for QTR (I have Eye One Photo, so I have the 
hardware to 
> > create my own curves)? Or is the larger dot size (compared to 
today's 
> > pritners) too problematic? Any other issues with this setup? 
Anybody 
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> > out there using such a setup? Again, any input would be greatly 
> > appreciated. 
> > Seder Burns
> > Photo Education Department Head
> > School of Art and Design
> > Toledo Museum of Art
> >
>

RE: [Digital BW] Epson 3000 still viable?

2006-02-21 by Paul Roark

> ... I know someone with an Epson 3000 that is just sitting around. 
> I know that I could get it for free or for very little money.

They are still the cheapest route to 16 x 20 prints.

> The owner did say that it exhibits some banding, ...

Get some cleaning fluid and let it sit in the printer for a week or so with
occasional purge pattern printing and cleaning cycles.  That plus cleaning
the pads and underside of the head might take care of the problems.  Paper
feed problems can also cause banding with the 3000.

> Assuming that the 3000 is in good working order, is it still a viable
> quadtone printer if I were to get a quadtone inkset for it ...

It's a viable quadtone printer.  I do not recommend variable tone inksets
and definitely not a small gamut inkset for the 3000.  A monotone inkset
will look much better with those relatively large dots.  You need good
partitioning curves.  QTR works and I have Epson driver curves for the UT-FS
and UT-FSN inksets.  The RGB curves might be able to be put into ICCs so
that you can take advantage of the linearization function and other
advantages of Roy's "Create ICC" program.

> Any other issues with this setup? 

Paper feed is a weakness.  I used slightly dampened EEM in the front feed
tray and had very good luck.  The Premier Art dual matte and hot press 205
would be good candidates for acid free paper.

Good luck.  Let me know off list if you want the Epson driver curves.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3000 still viable?

2006-02-21 by Andrew Rodger

Paul

I note what you say about small gamut ( I had my doubts ). Can you  
recommend a specific ink type, ideally one I can buy in the UK :0\

I agree re misfeeding problems which I gather could be caused by  
hardening of the surface of the pick up rollers.

Drew

On 21 Feb 2006, at 21:05, Paul Roark wrote:

> It's a viable quadtone printer.  I do not recommend variable tone  
> inksets
> and definitely not a small gamut inkset for the 3000.  A monotone  
> inkset
> will look much better with those relatively large dots.  You need good
> partitioning curves.  QTR works and I have Epson driver curves for  
> the UT-FS
> and UT-FSN inksets.  The RGB curves might be able to be put into  
> ICCs so
> that you can take advantage of the linearization function and other
> advantages of Roy's "Create ICC" program.



Made In Scotland On A High Mac!



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RE: [Digital BW] Epson 3000 still viable?

2006-02-21 by Paul Roark

Drew,

I'd have MIS UT-FSN inks mailed from the US.  (See
http://www.inksupply.com/utfs1160.cfm)  Eboni matte black for the K position
is best.  (The 3000 is probably not up to glossy paper printing.)  I
recommend filling from bulk ink bottles -- much cheaper and easy.  UK
purchasers appear to receive MIS inks without serious problems.  You'll want
the various accessories for filling the carts also.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> Rodger
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> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3000 still viable?
> 
> Paul
> 
> I note what you say about small gamut ( I had my doubts ). Can you
> recommend a specific ink type, ideally one I can buy in the UK :0\
> 
> I agree re misfeeding problems which I gather could be caused by
> hardening of the surface of the pick up rollers.
> 
> Drew
> 
> On 21 Feb 2006, at 21:05, Paul Roark wrote:
> 
> > It's a viable quadtone printer.  I do not recommend variable tone
> > inksets
> > and definitely not a small gamut inkset for the 3000.  A monotone
> > inkset
> > will look much better with those relatively large dots.  You need good
> > partitioning curves.  QTR works and I have Epson driver curves for
> > the UT-FS
> > and UT-FSN inksets.  The RGB curves might be able to be put into
> > ICCs so
> > that you can take advantage of the linearization function and other
> > advantages of Roy's "Create ICC" program.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Epson 3000 still viable?

2006-02-22 by dlruckus

Seder, I began with MIS archival color inks in a 1200, used them also
briefly in the 3000 to make a few large color prints and then set up
the 3000 with a set of quads based on the Roark/MIS VM or variable
tone inks. I use these for most B&W work but sometimes remove the
toner and add a 3rd lighter gray in its place. The 3rd gray makes it
very similar to the FS or Full Spectrum inkset that MIS sells. I say
similar because it is a set I diluted the grays for myself and I
worked from a very early version of those inks described by Paul Rourk
as he designed them origonaly. I have a fair amount of that inkset
left and as soon as it has been used I will update the mix using the
most recent full carbon inks available from MIS.

I like the 3000 very much specificaly because it affords a very
respectable d'max on a couple of inexpensive papers I use.I can get in
the range of 1.8-1.9 on one matt paper I use when I drive the printer
from QTR. It looks very nice.

Those are the only inks I have used to date in the 3000 but I suspect
that it can use pretty much anything provided the quad tones are
properly diluted for it. Someone on one of these forums with a great
deal of experience with 3000's once commented that it could likely
print with, I believe the expression was, duck soup.

Regards
Duane


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sedernb"
<sedernb@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello Duane, 
> Thanks for the reply. Please let me know what inkset you are 
> presently using and if you have used any other inksets previously? 
> Seder
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dlruckus" 
> <dlruckus@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Seder.
> > I believe it is very viable for monochrome work. I am using one for
> > that purpose and also using QTR with it. With Quad tone properly set
> > up dots shouldn't be an issue. Larger prints would be best use for 
> it.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Duane
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sedernb"
> > <sedernb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello, 
> > > Thank you in advance for any help that you can provide. I have 
> used QTR 
> > > with an Epson 2200 and I am very impressed. I know someone with 
> an 
> > > Epson 3000 that is just sitting around. I know that I could get 
> it for 
> > > free or for very little money. The owner did say that it exhibits 
> some 
> > > banding, but I am not sure to what degree or what the cause is. 
> > > Assuming that the 3000 is in good working order, is it still a 
> viable 
> > > quadtone printer if I were to get a quadtone inkset for it and 
> create 
> > > my own curves for QTR (I have Eye One Photo, so I have the 
> hardware to 
> > > create my own curves)? Or is the larger dot size (compared to 
> today's 
> > > pritners) too problematic? Any other issues with this setup? 
> Anybody 
> > > out there using such a setup? Again, any input would be greatly 
> > > appreciated. 
> > > Seder Burns
> > > Photo Education Department Head
> > > School of Art and Design
> > > Toledo Museum of Art
> > >
> >
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 3000 still viable?

2006-02-22 by Paul Roark

Duane,

You wrote, in part:

> ...
> I like the 3000 very much specificaly because it affords a very
> respectable d'max on a couple of inexpensive papers I use.  I can get in
> the range of 1.8-1.9 on one matt paper I use when I drive the printer
> from QTR... 

And that paper would be...??

I'll take a wild guess at Premier Dual Matte.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

[Digital BW] Re: Epson 3000 still viable?

2006-02-22 by dlruckus

Hi Paul.
Yes, and another (maybe the same?) would be Premium Duobrite.

Regards
Duane


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> Duane,
> 
> You wrote, in part:
> 
> > ...
> > I like the 3000 very much specificaly because it affords a very
> > respectable d'max on a couple of inexpensive papers I use.  I can
get in
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> > the range of 1.8-1.9 on one matt paper I use when I drive the printer
> > from QTR... 
> 
> And that paper would be...??
> 
> I'll take a wild guess at Premier Dual Matte.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: [Digital BW] Epson 3000 still viable?

2006-02-22 by Andrew Rodger

Paul

&c.

Thanks for all the really useful information - I can't wait to try  
it. If there is anyone else on this list who ships from MIS to the UK  
I would be interested to hear their views on the affordability and  
timing. It does also beg the question of whether I should review  
colour inks for the 7500 (currently using Fotonics) but I guess that  
is for discussion elsewhere.......

  :0)

Drew


On 21 Feb 2006, at 23:12, Paul Roark wrote:

> Drew,
>
> I'd have MIS UT-FSN inks mailed from the US.  (See
> http://www.inksupply.com/utfs1160.cfm)  Eboni matte black for the K  
> position
> is best.  (The 3000 is probably not up to glossy paper printing.)  I
> recommend filling from bulk ink bottles -- much cheaper and easy.  UK
> purchasers appear to receive MIS inks without serious problems.   
> You'll want
> the various accessories for filling the carts also.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com



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MIS ink to UK (was: Epson 3000 still viable?)

2006-02-22 by c_h_r_i_s_e_l_l_i_s

> Thanks for all the really useful information - I can't wait to try  
> it. If there is anyone else on this list who ships from MIS to the UK  
> I would be interested to hear their views on the affordability and  
> timing. It does also beg the question of whether I should review  
> colour inks for the 7500 (currently using Fotonics) but I guess that  
> is for discussion elsewhere.......
> 
>   :0)
> 
> Drew
> 


Drew

I've had good success with ordering ink from MIS for a 1290 (which
died) and now an R220 (have just got MIS PRO colour running and have
now ordered an R2 warm tone ink set).

Delivery (via the cheapest option) normally takes around two weeks
(sometimes a bit less).  Off the top of my head tax is around 15%. 
Even with the combined delivery charges and taxes, ordering from MIS
is way cheaper than anything I've seen in the UK (Permajet / Lyson). 
Occasionally I've had stuff get stuck in customs, which slows things
down a bit.  But not recently.

Chris  

- a very infrequent contributer

Re: [Digital BW] MIS ink to UK (was: Epson 3000 still viable?)

2006-02-22 by Andrew Rodger

Chris

This is cheering news, thanks.

As you are ( I think) less than an hour down the road, is there a  
chance of me having a look-see some time?

:0)

Best wishes

Drew
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On 22 Feb 2006, at 16:20, c_h_r_i_s_e_l_l_i_s wrote:
>
>
> Drew
>
> I've had good success with ordering ink from MIS for a 1290 (which
> died) and now an R220 (have just got MIS PRO colour running and have
> now ordered an R2 warm tone ink set).
>
> Delivery (via the cheapest option) normally takes around two weeks
> (sometimes a bit less).  Off the top of my head tax is around 15%.
> Even with the combined delivery charges and taxes, ordering from MIS
> is way cheaper than anything I've seen in the UK (Permajet / Lyson).
> Occasionally I've had stuff get stuck in customs, which slows things
> down a bit.  But not recently.
>
> Chris
>
> - a very infrequent contributer

Re: [Digital BW] MIS ink to UK (was: Epson 3000 still viable?)

2006-02-22 by Steve Kale

If you get charged at all, you will be charged 17.5% VAT plus a Parcel Post
handling fee which, if I recall correctly, is £12.50.  The handling fee only
applies if tax is levied.  Often it is not and MIS are cognizant of the
process....and it works well.  Just don't use the cheapest delivery option.
It will most likely get lost as the USPS is completely useless compared to
Royal Mail.  Go one notch up.  Again MIS are aware of the issues and can
advise you.
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> From: Andrew Rodger <leasburnstudio@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:08:16 +0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS ink to UK (was:  Epson 3000 still viable?)
> 
> Chris
> 
> This is cheering news, thanks.
> 
> As you are ( I think) less than an hour down the road, is there a
> chance of me having a look-see some time?
> 
> :0)
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> On 22 Feb 2006, at 16:20, c_h_r_i_s_e_l_l_i_s wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Drew
>> 
>> I've had good success with ordering ink from MIS for a 1290 (which
>> died) and now an R220 (have just got MIS PRO colour running and have
>> now ordered an R2 warm tone ink set).
>> 
>> Delivery (via the cheapest option) normally takes around two weeks
>> (sometimes a bit less).  Off the top of my head tax is around 15%.
>> Even with the combined delivery charges and taxes, ordering from MIS
>> is way cheaper than anything I've seen in the UK (Permajet / Lyson).
>> Occasionally I've had stuff get stuck in customs, which slows things
>> down a bit.  But not recently.
>> 
>> Chris
>>

Re: [Digital BW] MIS ink to UK (was: Epson 3000 still viable?)

2006-02-22 by Helen Adams

I just sent off for my MIS inks yesterday and opted for the cheapest delivery option - hopefully I will get them within the month as I can't stand the suspense.

Helen


  If you get charged at all, you will be charged 17.5% VAT plus a Parcel Post
  handling fee which, if I recall correctly, is £12.50.  The handling fee only
  applies if tax is levied.  Often it is not and MIS are cognizant of the
  process....and it works well.  Just don't use the cheapest delivery option.
  It will most likely get lost as the USPS is completely useless compared to
  Royal Mail.  Go one notch up.  Again MIS are aware of the issues and can
  advise you.




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Re: [Digital BW] MIS ink to UK (was: Epson 3000 still viable?)

2006-02-22 by Steve Kale

You might want to give MIS a buzz and upgrade the delivery.  I just found my
notes.  USPS Global Express Mail works.  Priority Mail has not worked for
me.  The packages just never arrived.
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> From: Helen Adams <helenadams@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:43:12 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS ink to UK (was:  Epson 3000 still viable?)
> 
> I just sent off for my MIS inks yesterday and opted for the cheapest delivery
> option - hopefully I will get them within the month as I can't stand the
> suspense.
> 
> Helen
>

Re: [Digital BW] MIS ink to UK (was: Epson 3000 still viable?)

2006-02-22 by Howard Shaw

I've always used the cheapest delivery option (USPS-GPM) without any 
problems. Stuff arrives in about a week with, to date, no extras to pay.

Howard

Steve Kale wrote:
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> If you get charged at all, you will be charged 17.5% VAT plus a Parcel Post
> handling fee which, if I recall correctly, is \ufffd12.50.  The handling fee only
> applies if tax is levied.  Often it is not and MIS are cognizant of the
> process....and it works well.  Just don't use the cheapest delivery option.
> It will most likely get lost as the USPS is completely useless compared to
> Royal Mail.  Go one notch up.  Again MIS are aware of the issues and can
> advise you.
> 
> 
>> From: Andrew Rodger <leasburnstudio@...>
>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:08:16 +0000
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS ink to UK (was:  Epson 3000 still viable?)
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> This is cheering news, thanks.
>> 
>> As you are ( I think) less than an hour down the road, is there a
>> chance of me having a look-see some time?
>> 
>> :0)
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Drew
>> 
>> 
>> On 22 Feb 2006, at 16:20, c_h_r_i_s_e_l_l_i_s wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Drew
>>> 
>>> I've had good success with ordering ink from MIS for a 1290 (which
>>> died) and now an R220 (have just got MIS PRO colour running and have
>>> now ordered an R2 warm tone ink set).
>>> 
>>> Delivery (via the cheapest option) normally takes around two weeks
>>> (sometimes a bit less).  Off the top of my head tax is around 15%.
>>> Even with the combined delivery charges and taxes, ordering from MIS
>>> is way cheaper than anything I've seen in the UK (Permajet / Lyson).
>>> Occasionally I've had stuff get stuck in customs, which slows things
>>> down a bit.  But not recently.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] MIS ink to UK (was: Epson 3000 still viable?)

2006-02-22 by Helen Adams

Will do just that. Thanks for the tip!

Helen


  You might want to give MIS a buzz and upgrade the delivery.  I just found my
  notes.  USPS Global Express Mail works.  Priority Mail has not worked for
  me.  The packages just never arrived.


  > From: Helen Adams <helenadams@...>
  > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  > Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:43:12 -0000
  > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS ink to UK (was:  Epson 3000 still viable?)
  > 
  > I just sent off for my MIS inks yesterday and opted for the cheapest delivery
  > option - hopefully I will get them within the month as I can't stand the
  > suspense.
  > 
  > Helen
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Slightly Dampened Paper

2006-12-04 by James Pelton

Paul Roark wrote, a few months back, about a technique for getting EEM
through a box, that he has used "slightly dampened EEM in the front tray".

?!

I can see how that would help, but what are we talking about here?
Dampened with what?

James Pelton



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > ... I know someone with an Epson 3000 that is just sitting around. 
> > I know that I could get it for free or for very little money.
> 
> They are still the cheapest route to 16 x 20 prints.
> 
> > The owner did say that it exhibits some banding, ...
> 
> Get some cleaning fluid and let it sit in the printer for a week or
so with
> occasional purge pattern printing and cleaning cycles.  That plus
cleaning
> the pads and underside of the head might take care of the problems.
 Paper
> feed problems can also cause banding with the 3000.
> 
> > Assuming that the 3000 is in good working order, is it still a viable
> > quadtone printer if I were to get a quadtone inkset for it ...
> 
> It's a viable quadtone printer.  I do not recommend variable tone
inksets
> and definitely not a small gamut inkset for the 3000.  A monotone inkset
> will look much better with those relatively large dots.  You need good
> partitioning curves.  QTR works and I have Epson driver curves for
the UT-FS
> and UT-FSN inksets.  The RGB curves might be able to be put into ICCs so
> that you can take advantage of the linearization function and other
> advantages of Roy's "Create ICC" program.
> 
> > Any other issues with this setup? 
> 
> Paper feed is a weakness.  I used slightly dampened EEM in the front
feed
> tray and had very good luck.  The Premier Art dual matte and hot
press 205
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> would be good candidates for acid free paper.
> 
> Good luck.  Let me know off list if you want the Epson driver curves.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: Slightly Dampened Paper

2006-12-04 by photobinder

I'm not Paul Roark (by a long shot...) but here's a trick which helps 
in my studio.  During dry winter months, some heavier papers curl when 
a dark image (high ink load) dampens one side of the paper during 
printing.  In my Epson 2400, for example, this can cause the print head 
to strike the print surface and spoil things.  In dry times, I store 
troublesome paper in a "humidifier" to pre-dampen it.  Nothing fancy -- 
a plastic box with a plastic egg-crate grill from a ceiling light panel 
to support the unpackaged paper.  Under the "grill" is a cotton towel 
dampened lightly with tap water.  The process takes some hours.  
Overnight, usually.   The humid paper lays flat better and is also a 
bit more "limp" which my Epsons seem to like.

I'm printing 7x10 sheets of Red River Aurora Fine Art (a heavy matte 
paper) for Yule cards right now, and this trick helps.  I do this in 
Epson 800, 2200 and 2400.

Bill Clark

In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "James Pelton" 
<Pelton@...> wrote:
>
> Paul Roark wrote, a few months back, about a technique for getting EEM
> through a box, that he has used "slightly dampened EEM in the front 
tray".
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> 
> ?!
> 
> I can see how that would help, but what are we talking about here?
> Dampened with what?
> 
> James Pelton
> 
>

RE: [Digital BW] Slightly Dampened Paper -- for 3000 loading

2006-12-04 by Paul Roark

I used to load EEM into the front sheet feeder of my old 3000.

Keep in mind that I cut pieces of EEM from a roll.  So part of what I was
fighting was the curl of the roll.

I found, however, that the full 24" of the width of the roll was very
helpful.  That extra length relative to a 17 x 22 sheet translated into
better contact with the 3000's main transport roller (platen).   Without the
extra length, the 3000 would mess up the bottom of the print due to
defective transport.

So, my procedure was to dampen the EEM slightly to reduce the problems of
the curl and bending around the platen.  

To dampen the paper, I had distilled water in a hand sprayer.  I'd gently
spray 2 clean Kodak blotter papers -- as evenly as possible.  I would then
lay the EEM between the blotter papers for about a minute -- just enough to
soften the paper.  It's obvious when the curl is gone.  The EEM did not end
up wet, just more limp and without a curl.  I did not spray the paper
directly for fear of having an un-even and excessive dampening.

It worked for me.  I'm not sure I'd use EEM today.  I believe the Premier
Art Premium Matte (now called Matte BW) sheets I tried gave an excellent
dmax and fed well.  It's worth a try with a couple of sheets.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

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>Paul Roark wrote, a few months back, about a technique for getting EEM
>through a box, that he has used "slightly dampened EEM in the front tray".

?!

I can see how that would help, but what are we talking about here?
Dampened with what?
...


> > ... I know someone with an Epson 3000 that is just sitting around. 
> > I know that I could get it for free or for very little money.
> 
> They are still the cheapest route to 16 x 20 prints.
...

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