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2007-05-05 by alan9990_6
Hi all, I've been seeing more mentions of CS3 on this forum lately. Whilst I realise that Adobe's own site will no doubt have comprehensive sales blurb about why this version is a must have, is anyone who is currently using CS3 or knows the program in depth able to comment on what it offers specifically for printing over current versions?
2007-05-05 by edrudolpho
Hi Alan... I've been working with CS3 for about ten days. If you are accustomed to doing no more than a levels adjustment and then printing you probably won't find the need to upgrade. But the new PS has some great features. Non-destructive filtering, a very nice color-to-b&w conversion tool, a much improved brightness and contrast adjustment, and a MUCH MUCH improved method of stitching together panoramic images. New levels of control in the clone and healing tools help a lot with problems like photo-restoration, as well as more overt photo manipulation. The Extended version is probably not required for normal photographic users (if anyone's finding good uses for Extended features, I'd like to hear about them.) I can see how many folks will get along fine without this upgrade, but I'm enjoying it. When I registered the software Adobe sent an email offering some freebies. One of the freebies is a month's subscription to the lynda.com training site. Which is ordinarily a 25 dollar/month fee. It's been useful. Ed --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "alan9990_6" <aansell@...> wrote:
> > Hi all, > > I've been seeing more mentions of CS3 on this forum lately. Whilst I > realise that Adobe's own site will no doubt have comprehensive sales > blurb about why this version is a must have, is anyone who is > currently using CS3 or knows the program in depth able to comment on > what it offers specifically for printing over current versions? >
2007-05-05 by Clayton Jones
Hello Ed, >...Non-destructive filtering, a very nice color-to-b&w >conversion tool, a much improved brightness and contrast adjustment, >and a MUCH MUCH improved method of stitching together panoramic >images. > >New levels of control in the clone and healing tools help a lot with >problems like photo-restoration, as well as more overt photo >manipulation. Thanks for the good info. I'm seriously considering CS3 (I'm currently using CS and so will be getting the CS2 features for the first time as well) and am wondering if there are any memory/performance issues with CS3, or any other gotchas that might be helpful to know in advance. Thanks very much. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
2007-05-05 by Eric Neilsen Photo
Having skipped the CS to CS2 upgrade and now using CS3, I'll let you know what I have been finding. The print dialog box has finally eliminated the need to go to print set up first and then print. Hugh time saver for me and the lay out of info within the box is much improved. The selection tool and edge refine is ALSOLUTLY great. You can preview in 5 different modes the selection made and see it before you apply it. I have the extended but haven't paid attention to what it had that the standard doesn't. I upgraded my whole CS package and the extended came with my up grade. It has some cool animation features that might be useful for movie/flash web stuff. One feature that I thought would be of great use to people that shoot film and scan their images is the new pixel mapping that allow two scans of different CI to be placed over Each other with extreme accuracy. I haven't tried it yet, but speaking with Dan Burkholder about it, he was raving to me. HDR for scanners : ) The smart filters looks very promising as well; these are non destructive filters. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214-827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype : ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of edrudolpho Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 6:52 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: What does CS3 have to offer for printing? Hi Alan... I've been working with CS3 for about ten days. If you are accustomed to doing no more than a levels adjustment and then printing you probably won't find the need to upgrade. But the new PS has some great features. Non-destructive filtering, a very nice color-to-b&w conversion tool, a much improved brightness and contrast adjustment, and a MUCH MUCH improved method of stitching together panoramic images. New levels of control in the clone and healing tools help a lot with problems like photo-restoration, as well as more overt photo manipulation. The Extended version is probably not required for normal photographic users (if anyone's finding good uses for Extended features, I'd like to hear about them.) I can see how many folks will get along fine without this upgrade, but I'm enjoying it. When I registered the software Adobe sent an email offering some freebies. One of the freebies is a month's subscription to the lynda.com training site. Which is ordinarily a 25 dollar/month fee. It's been useful. Ed --- In DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "alan9990_6" <aansell@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been seeing more mentions of CS3 on this forum lately. Whilst I > realise that Adobe's own site will no doubt have comprehensive sales > blurb about why this version is a must have, is anyone who is > currently using CS3 or knows the program in depth able to comment on > what it offers specifically for printing over current versions? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-05-05 by Eric Neilsen Photo
Clayton, The only gotcha that I ran across was the WOW factor. As another CS user upgrading to 3, I missed the added tools of 2 as well. There is an additional wrap function that if you are in design and need to use PS more as a construction tool rather than an image enhancement tool, could prove very useful. So far since installing it, I have not had any issues with performance. In fact, a video issue with CS has gone away going to CS3. The most useful tool so far is the new selection tool. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 214-827-8301 http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype : ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clayton Jones Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 8:50 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: What does CS3 have to offer for printing? Hello Ed, >...Non-destructive filtering, a very nice color-to-b&w >conversion tool, a much improved brightness and contrast adjustment, >and a MUCH MUCH improved method of stitching together panoramic >images. > >New levels of control in the clone and healing tools help a lot with >problems like photo-restoration, as well as more overt photo >manipulation. Thanks for the good info. I'm seriously considering CS3 (I'm currently using CS and so will be getting the CS2 features for the first time as well) and am wondering if there are any memory/performance issues with CS3, or any other gotchas that might be helpful to know in advance. Thanks very much. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom. <http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm> net/digiprnarts.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-05-05 by Paul Roark
I usually do upgrade my Photoshop version, but I must admit it's one of the things in digital B&W that I'm getting tired of doing. So, I'm going to play the role of the curmudgeon here. >Non-destructive filtering, That would be nice, but it's not that important with the workflow I use. I keep the original and occasional intermediate working copies with the same cropping. As such, I always have the information readily available to undo or re-do a mistaken alteration. > a very nice color-to-b&w conversion tool, Splitting channels and taking the best of each is still the best way to go, even if not the fastest. > improved method of stitching together panoramic images. These can be impressive, but until they correct for keystoning, I'm not going to be very impressed. The best panoramic I've done lately involved shifting a Canon TS lens. That way there is no keystoning problem. >new pixel mapping that allow two scans of different CI >to be placed over each other With my workflow I often clone from one image version to another, aligning the clone tool at the upper left corner. If they automated this, I might consider paying for an upgrade. I do appreciate my Photoshop, but these increasing upgrade prices are reflecting a bit too much market power in Adobe. Thankfully Elements is competitively priced and does recognize the B&W ICCs used in some of my workflows. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2007-05-05 by Paul Grant
I have been using the Beta version since it came out and I now use the fully released version. The changes from Cs2 are minimal but the changes from CS are significant. Some of the things I like about CS3 are: 1. Cloning and healing in Camea Raw....this means for scans of negs or prints you can spot them without opening in Photoshop. Very significant 2. HSL adjustments in Raw are significantly improved which ties in well with the BW conversion in Raw 3. Smart Filters in Photoshop are great. The ability to create adjustment layers for filters like Unsharp mask. 4. The new selection tools and Refine edge are slick. There is lots more but these are the ones that I like. As an FYI CS3 and Lightroom work alot alike in terms of Raw conversion. Regards, Paul Grant
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of alan9990_6 Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 3:30 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] What does CS3 have to offer for printing? Hi all, I've been seeing more mentions of CS3 on this forum lately. Whilst I realise that Adobe's own site will no doubt have comprehensive sales blurb about why this version is a must have, is anyone who is currently using CS3 or knows the program in depth able to comment on what it offers specifically for printing over current versions? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-05-05 by edrudolpho
Paul, you might check around the web for a free tutorial or overview of the new cloning function. It is a bit confusing at first more powerful and, once you begin to master it, makes some tricky tasks a lot easier. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > > I usually do upgrade my Photoshop version, but I must admit it's one of the > things in digital B&W that I'm getting tired of doing. So, I'm going to > play the role of the curmudgeon here. snip > With my workflow I often clone from one image version to another, aligning > the clone tool at the upper left corner. If they automated this, I might
> consider paying for an upgrade. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com >
2007-05-06 by Danny Raphael
A pretty nasty File > Print... related bug has been confirmed. See: http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?128@@.3bc3c10c The official Adobe workaround is pretty lame. (See post #16) --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "alan9990_6" <aansell@...> wrote:
> > Hi all, > > I've been seeing more mentions of CS3 on this forum lately. Whilst I > realise that Adobe's own site will no doubt have comprehensive sales > blurb about why this version is a must have, is anyone who is > currently using CS3 or knows the program in depth able to comment on > what it offers specifically for printing over current versions? >
2007-05-09 by Flashbulb
Adobe has now made available a free 30 day trial download of PS CS3! *yay* Its only an 800mb download :) -Jeff
2007-05-13 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
Flashbulb wrote:
>Adobe has now made available a free 30 day trial download of PS CS3! *yay*
>Its only an 800mb download :)
>
>-Jeff
>
>
>
Just keep in mind that the trial version DOES NOT completely remove itself.
Specifically, you end up stuck with Bonjour background P2P processes.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-05-13 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
Here's the applicable thread on the Adobe Forums:
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?50@@.3bc3c1de!login=true
Editor P.O.V. Image Service wrote:
> Flashbulb wrote:
>
>>Adobe has now made available a free 30 day trial download of PS CS3! *yay*
>>Its only an 800mb download :)
>>
>>-Jeff
>>
>>
>>
> Just keep in mind that the trial version DOES NOT completely remove
> itself.
>
> Specifically, you end up stuck with Bonjour background P2P processes.
>
>
> Keith Krebs
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-05-14 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
Here:
"CS3 Printing has a major bug or progamming Issue."
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?128@@.3bc3c894
and others are here:
Message #86
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16391&st=80
I assume everyone already knows that CS3 ignores your current printer
settings (i.e. whatever you used on your last print) and reverts to
systemwide defaults?
Keith Krebs
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User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-05-14 by Eric Neilsen
Keith, Are you saying that from session to session or within a session CS3 uses your system default? I have not found that to be the case. If I close CS3, then yes next time I open it is on default to system, but if I print a file and go to make another print of the same file, it uses any setting that I used. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 http://e.neilsen.home.att.net http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype ejprinter _____
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Subject: [Digital BW] More CS3 printing problems reported..
Here:
"CS3 Printing has a major bug or progamming Issue."
http://www.adobefor <http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?128@@.3bc3c894>
ums.com/cgi-bin/webx?128@@.3bc3c894
and others are here:
Message #86
http://luminous-
<http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16391&st=80>
landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16391&st=80
I assume everyone already knows that CS3 ignores your current printer
settings (i.e. whatever you used on your last print) and reverts to
systemwide defaults?
Keith Krebs
"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo
Publications), at:
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/>
yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User Community at:
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yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-05-15 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
Supposedly it's a Winbox only issue... You on a Mac or Wintel?
Eric Neilsen wrote:
>Keith, Are you saying that from session to session or within a session CS3
>uses your system default? I have not found that to be the case. If I close
>CS3, then yes next time I open it is on default to system, but if I print a
>file and go to make another print of the same file, it uses any setting that
>I used.
>
>
>
Keith Krebs
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-05-15 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
Here's the thread over on the Adobe forums...
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?50@@.3bc3c10c!
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-05-15 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
Of course, Adobe also promised to Beta users that these print issues
would be solved b4 the Gold version shipped...
OOOPS!
Here's more...
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?50@@.3bc3e74b
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-05-15 by Eric Neilsen
Keith, I am on a PC and upgraded from CS Premium to CS3 Design. I did not run a CS3 PS beta, just straight to the upgrade. I had no issues on installing and even had a faux paux when I installed to my laptop. I forgot to plug one of the three power cords that I plugged in to reestablish my hard drives and computer after using them away from the studio. This caused the laptop to shut down during the install process since it used up the battery, but after a restart, the install proceeded just fine. I have not checked the print dialog box yet. I have been out of the studio working on other issues. I am also running Lightroom1.0 and had beta tested it from 2 to final version. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 http://e.neilsen.home.att.net http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:27 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] More CS3 printing problems reported..
Supposedly it's a Winbox only issue... You on a Mac or Wintel?
Eric Neilsen wrote:
>Keith, Are you saying that from session to session or within a session CS3
>uses your system default? I have not found that to be the case. If I close
>CS3, then yes next time I open it is on default to system, but if I print a
>file and go to make another print of the same file, it uses any setting
that
>I used.
>
>
>
Keith Krebs
"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo
Publications), at:
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/>
yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User Community at:
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers>
yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-05-16 by Walt Odets
For those printing from CS3 to Epson printers, a warning. CS3's interaction with the Epson driver makes it very difficult to center an image, unlike CS2 which was fine in this regard. The solution is to select "Centered" in the Epson driver *and* "Maximize printed area" (as opposed to "standard"). As a matter of fact, if "Maximize" is selected, the CS3/Epson driver interaction may center the image whether you want it or not and whether the CS3 dialogue has centered checked or not. The caveat here is that the latest Epson driver for the 4800 (V. 5.5) mysteriously eliminates the option for standard/maximize. I had to reinstall the older Epson driver V. 5.1 to restore this option and center an image. Walt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-05-16 by Eric Neilsen
Walt, I understand your frustration with getting the image on the paper where you want it, but I have not had those issues. So, I haven't fought your battle and amassed that frustration. What size paper are you using? Sheet or roll? And do any of these printing problems show up with QTR and Qimage? I have not seen them with Qimage, but I don't usually worry about center lately as many of my images are going on roll and trimmed a bit so a fraction off is not an issue and many float a little so the paper size does not fight against the edges of my portfolios and my workflow. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 http://e.neilsen.home.att.net http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Walt Odets Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:40 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: More CS3 printing problems reported.. For those printing from CS3 to Epson printers, a warning. CS3's interaction with the Epson driver makes it very difficult to center an image, unlike CS2 which was fine in this regard. The solution is to select "Centered" in the Epson driver *and* "Maximize printed area" (as opposed to "standard"). As a matter of fact, if "Maximize" is selected, the CS3/Epson driver interaction may center the image whether you want it or not and whether the CS3 dialogue has centered checked or not. The caveat here is that the latest Epson driver for the 4800 (V. 5.5) mysteriously eliminates the option for standard/maximize. I had to reinstall the older Epson driver V. 5.1 to restore this option and center an image. Walt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-05-19 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service
..within a session, it may be ONLY with Win Vista installations. Are
you using Vista or another Win OS?
Adobe OTOH is saying it's because they have moved to a new per-document
oriented work flow. Increasingly, it's looking to be a problem of the
interrelationship between Windows and Photoshop CS3 - possibly related
to how the Mac side coding didn't translate as expected to the Windows
platform.
As for your other question: about the numbers of satisfied vs.
dissatisfied CS3 customers...
1) Satisfaction is not the singular appropriate measure for whether an
upgrade is advisable or successful. Things like: not breaking a feature
that worked, computability, cost, number of bugs, all play into the
choice of the user. Satisfaction simply measures whether, on the whole a
consumer is happy with their choice. There is tons of psychological,
marketing, and communications data showing how and why, even WITH
significant problems relating to a purchased product, people will
generally report they are "satisfied" with their purchase. Even if they
find substantial bugs, people will still continue to report being
"satisfied" after a purchase decision (not least because of selective
perception to reinforce a purchasing decision as "correct")
Accordingly, users being "satisfied" is a mighty low bar to set,
especially when we are talking about the only real professional image
editing program in the market.
2) I don't think even Adobe has those numbers.
3) The same argument is often made about many products. In my
experience with inkjet printing, for example, that argument was made by
many who pointed out the initial inaccurate/misadvertised claims by
EPSON, in its own marketing materials, of the print longevity of the
1280 and 880 series of EPSON dye-based printers.
The issue wasn't whether (in that case) it made nice prints. It was
whether EPSON's own claims were valid and/or whether the product had
significant issues which could affect (but might well not)
users/consumers. Similarly, for me, the issue is NOT whether people
should upgrade to CS3, whether it has great new features, or even if it
generally works well. The issue is that potential consumers and people
who have already bought, should have this information easily available.
EPSON, Adobe, Canon, MicroSoft, etc. all advertise on YAHOO!, Google,
and all over the net. They get the good news out quite easily, and
trumpet it repeatedly. (I also give products that perform as reported
solid reviews.) But, for people to know about potential product
shortcomings, lists related in some way to the product are one of the
most useful means for conveying such info. In fact, it's part of the
rationale for these lists: debate regarding the pros and cons of
particular products and/or approaches/methodologies.
Eric Neilsen wrote:
>Keith, Are you saying that from session to session or within a session CS3
>uses your system default? I have not found that to be the case. If I close
>CS3, then yes next time I open it is on default to system, but if I
print a
>file and go to make another print of the same file, it uses any
setting that
>I used.
>
>
>
--
Keith Krebs
"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together
guys"
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-05-19 by Paul Grant
Does this group have a moderartor. Cant' he just be dumped?
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Editor
P.O.V. Image Service
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 9:59 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] More CS3 printing problems reported..
..within a session, it may be ONLY with Win Vista installations. Are
you using Vista or another Win OS?
Adobe OTOH is saying it's because they have moved to a new per-document
oriented work flow. Increasingly, it's looking to be a problem of the
interrelationship between Windows and Photoshop CS3 - possibly related
to how the Mac side coding didn't translate as expected to the Windows
platform.
As for your other question: about the numbers of satisfied vs.
dissatisfied CS3 customers...
1) Satisfaction is not the singular appropriate measure for whether an
upgrade is advisable or successful. Things like: not breaking a feature
that worked, computability, cost, number of bugs, all play into the
choice of the user. Satisfaction simply measures whether, on the whole a
consumer is happy with their choice. There is tons of psychological,
marketing, and communications data showing how and why, even WITH
significant problems relating to a purchased product, people will
generally report they are "satisfied" with their purchase. Even if they
find substantial bugs, people will still continue to report being
"satisfied" after a purchase decision (not least because of selective
perception to reinforce a purchasing decision as "correct")
Accordingly, users being "satisfied" is a mighty low bar to set,
especially when we are talking about the only real professional image
editing program in the market.
2) I don't think even Adobe has those numbers.
3) The same argument is often made about many products. In my
experience with inkjet printing, for example, that argument was made by
many who pointed out the initial inaccurate/misadvertised claims by
EPSON, in its own marketing materials, of the print longevity of the
1280 and 880 series of EPSON dye-based printers.
The issue wasn't whether (in that case) it made nice prints. It was
whether EPSON's own claims were valid and/or whether the product had
significant issues which could affect (but might well not)
users/consumers. Similarly, for me, the issue is NOT whether people
should upgrade to CS3, whether it has great new features, or even if it
generally works well. The issue is that potential consumers and people
who have already bought, should have this information easily available.
EPSON, Adobe, Canon, MicroSoft, etc. all advertise on YAHOO!, Google,
and all over the net. They get the good news out quite easily, and
trumpet it repeatedly. (I also give products that perform as reported
solid reviews.) But, for people to know about potential product
shortcomings, lists related in some way to the product are one of the
most useful means for conveying such info. In fact, it's part of the
rationale for these lists: debate regarding the pros and cons of
particular products and/or approaches/methodologies.
Eric Neilsen wrote:
>Keith, Are you saying that from session to session or within a session CS3
>uses your system default? I have not found that to be the case. If I close
>CS3, then yes next time I open it is on default to system, but if I
print a
>file and go to make another print of the same file, it uses any
setting that
>I used.
>
>
>
--
Keith Krebs
"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo
Publications), at:
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/>
yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User Community at:
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers>
yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together
guys"
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author, any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, transfer, or
distribution is explicitly prohibited and taken at your own risk. If you
are not, or are unsure whether you are, the intended recipient, please
contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of the original
message. Violations will be prosecuted to the FULL extent allowed under
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violation of these conditions shall be subject to a $1500/image
liquidated damages charge, in addition to any applicable Copyright
violation penalties.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2007-05-19 by Mike Johnston
That sounds like a lead in to a nice friendly discussion. Not to mention the politically incorrect gender guess. Mike J.
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Paul Grant Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 3:31 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Does this group have a moderator. Does this group have a moderartor. Cant' he just be dumped?