Digital BW, The Print

I was told by a vendor of Image Specialist inks that the Eboni Black
ink sold by MIS is the same ink as the matte black used in the IS bulk
inks for the R800/R1800.  Can anyone confirm or deny this.  Has anyone
compared output from the two inks on the same media?

Thanks all!

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Marsolais"
<bob@...> wrote:
>
> I was told by a vendor of Image Specialist inks that the Eboni Black
> ink sold by MIS is the same ink as the matte black used in the IS bulk
> inks for the R800/R1800.  Can anyone confirm or deny this.  Has anyone
> compared output from the two inks on the same media?
> 
> Thanks all!

I've asked this question before, and got a definite "maybe".  Even
people who are in the know and who know other people in the know can't
be sure.

F_p

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ferdinand_paris"
<ferdinand_paris@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Marsolais"
> <bob@> wrote:
> >
> > I was told by a vendor of Image Specialist inks that the Eboni Black
> > ink sold by MIS is the same ink as the matte black used in the IS bulk
> > inks for the R800/R1800.  Can anyone confirm or deny this.  Has anyone
> > compared output from the two inks on the same media?
> > 
> > Thanks all!
> 
> I've asked this question before, and got a definite "maybe".  Even
> people who are in the know and who know other people in the know can't
> be sure.
> 
> F_p
>


I would suggest that you simply buy by the Image Specialists part
number http://www.inksupply.com/imagespec.cfm The only problem for
some people is that you need to buy them in ~500ml bottles. I would
suggest the WJ1082 matte black ink. Cross reference to these ink (or
others) on the Image Specialists web site
http://www.image-specialists.com/catalog_pigment_ultra.aspx

To print B&W on matte and color on glossy papers, is it possible to use 
3MK on R1800 with 5 dye color inks instead of Epson's original 
UltraChrome color inks?

R1800 has 5 UltraChrome color inks: cyan, magenta, yellow, plus red and 
blue. They are more for matte paper without gloss optimizer. How if I 
use five compatible dye inks: cyan, magenta, yellow, light cyan, light 
magenta?

Or, if dye black is required to print color photos, is it possible to 
make it:

    MK+MK+PK+C+M+Y+LC+LM

Thanks,
- philip

With a rip that can handle color, the 1800 has lots of 
possibilities.  However, the Epson drive requires the expected colors 
to be in their expected places, and QTR does not pass the color 
information through the rip.  It converts to grayscale.  (I'd like to 
see a versionn of Create ICC-RGB that does pass the color information 
through.)

Don't use dyes; Eboni is not compatible with them.

I'd recommend you use MIS (or Epson) color pigments that are designed 
for the 1800 plus the 3-MK.  To print glossy, just swap out the MK in 
the PK spot and do not check "gloss" in the driver.  Then the Epson 
driver will print color as usual, using the PK when a glossy paper 
type is used.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com  

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Panmedia 
<panmedia@...> wrote:
>
> To print B&W on matte and color on glossy papers, is it possible to 
use 
> 3MK on R1800 with 5 dye color inks instead of Epson's original 
> UltraChrome color inks?
> 
> R1800 has 5 UltraChrome color inks: cyan, magenta, yellow, plus red 
and 
> blue. They are more for matte paper without gloss optimizer. How if 
I 
> use five compatible dye inks: cyan, magenta, yellow, light cyan, 
light 
> magenta?
> 
> Or, if dye black is required to print color photos, is it possible 
to 

> make it:
> 
>     MK+MK+PK+C+M+Y+LC+LM
> 
> Thanks,
> - philip
>

Thanks Paul. After reading your email I dropped my plan to use dye inks 
in R1800 together with 3MKs. Instead, I have some UT7 inks available and 
it was originally for an Epson 2200 printer. Is it possible to use the 
ink on the same R1800 with 3MK together to make it multiple choices 
where I can choose to print 3MKs, or MKs with gray or toned inks??

For R1800, the rest of 5 unused ink positions are: Cyan, Magenda, 
Yellow, Red, Blue

Other than MK/PK, UT7 has 6 inks: light black, dark gray, light gray, 
cool tone, sepia tone, light cool tone

I would like to use light black, dark gray, light gray, cool tone, sepia 
tone in R1800's 5 positions. Any suggestion to set this up?

BTW I printed a few pictures using 3MKs onto different sized Moab 
Entrada natural paper. Looking at the results I feel 3MK method is very 
excellent on 11x17 or larger paper. But for letter size some light 
black/gray/light gray inks may help to smooth the transition especially 
on light human skin tone.

- philip



pr_roark wrote:

>
> With a rip that can handle color, the 1800 has lots of
> possibilities. However, the Epson drive requires the expected colors
> to be in their expected places, and QTR does not pass the color
> information through the rip. It converts to grayscale. (I'd like to
> see a versionn of Create ICC-RGB that does pass the color information
> through.)
>
> Don't use dyes; Eboni is not compatible with them.
>
> I'd recommend you use MIS (or Epson) color pigments that are designed
> for the 1800 plus the 3-MK. To print glossy, just swap out the MK in
> the PK spot and do not check "gloss" in the driver. Then the Epson
> driver will print color as usual, using the PK when a glossy paper
> type is used.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, Panmedia
> <panmedia@...> wrote:
> >
> > To print B&W on matte and color on glossy papers, is it possible to
> use
> > 3MK on R1800 with 5 dye color inks instead of Epson's original
> > UltraChrome color inks?
> >
> > R1800 has 5 UltraChrome color inks: cyan, magenta, yellow, plus red
> and
> > blue. They are more for matte paper without gloss optimizer. How if
> I
> > use five compatible dye inks: cyan, magenta, yellow, light cyan,
> light
> > magenta?
> >
> > Or, if dye black is required to print color photos, is it possible
> to
> > make it:
> >
> > MK+MK+PK+C+M+Y+LC+LM
> >
> > Thanks,
> > - philip
> >
>
>

>... I have some UT7 inks available and 
> it was originally for an Epson 2200 printer. 
>  Is it possible to use the 
> ink on the same R1800 with 3MK together to make it multiple choices 
> where I can choose to print 3MKs, or MKs with gray or toned inks??
>

The UT7 inks are physically compatible with the 1800.  If you're 
proficient with QTR you could certainly come up with some combination 
that would make the 1800 a variable tone printer.


 
> For R1800, the rest of 5 unused ink positions are: Cyan, Magenda, 
> Yellow, Red, Blue
> 
> Other than MK/PK, UT7 has 6 inks: light black, dark gray, 
> light gray, cool tone, sepia tone, light cool tone

The UT7 was made so that it could run on a k2 printer using the Epson 
driver.  That won't work with the 1800.  The LK, in particular, is 
going to be redundant and not needed.  It was a compromise due to the 
Epson driver and the inability to stop the LK from being used.  It is 
a blended ink -- just a little blue in it.


> I would like to use light black, dark gray, light gray,

As noted above, I'd avoid the UT7 LK. It simply will not add much.  
The UT7 light and dark grays -- in addition to an MK or PK -- should 
be all you'll need for your carbon channel.  Use broad skirts -- lots 
of overlap -- on the curves to suppress microbanding.

> cool tone, sepia tone in R1800's 5 positions. 
> Any suggestion to set this up?

If you dump the LK, you could ad a PK and have glossy compatibility.

Good luck with the system.

Paul  
www.PaulRoark.com