OT:printer storage
2008-10-20 by esharamaki
I'm thinking about storing my printer (epson 4000) instead of getting rid of it. I was wondering about the possibility of cleaning out the inks for long-term storage. Any advice or experience? Thanks!
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OT:printer storage
Re: OT:printer storage
2008-10-20 by pr_roark
I've stored printers with "cleaning fluid" in them, and it works fine, with the caveat that cleaning fluid is often a lower viscosity version of the clear base. Perhaps due to its lower viscosity, I found dry cartridges in one printer where I used it. It might be slowly running straight through the printer. As such, I'm now mostly using the clear base I use in Carbon-6 ( http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink- Mixing.pdf ). It's just distilled water (55% by weight), glyerol (35%) and Photo Flo (10%) -- very cheap and effective. Paul www.PaulRoark.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "esharamaki" <esharamaki@...> wrote:
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> > I'm thinking about storing my printer (epson 4000) instead of getting > rid of it. I was wondering about the possibility of cleaning out the > inks for long-term storage. Any advice or experience? > Thanks! >
Re: [Digital BW] OT:printer storage
2008-10-20 by Mark Savoia
How long of storage? When you decide to fire it up again they (Epson or anyone) may not make inks for it anymore, or printer drivers for you future OS. Are you talking years or months? Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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On Oct 20, 2008, at 7:09 PM, esharamaki wrote: > I'm thinking about storing my printer (epson 4000) instead of getting > rid of it. I was wondering about the possibility of cleaning out the > inks for long-term storage. Any advice or experience? > Thanks!
Re: [Digital BW] OT:printer storage
2008-10-20 by esharamaki
I don't want to give up the printer just yet. It really makes nice prints. I was thinking a year or so, maybe 2. I'm not really worried about availability of inks. Generating profiles is pretty straight forward. I'm sure there will always be 3rd party ink suppliers. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:
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> > How long of storage? When you decide to fire it up again they (Epson > or anyone) may not make inks for it anymore, or printer drivers for > you future OS. Are you talking years or months? > > Mark > http://www.stillrivereditions.com
R1800/3MK - Swapping Cartridge Positions
2008-10-21 by Ken Alexander
I'm getting banding on my prints. Head alignment is OK, and nozzle check (via Epson's driver, QTR doesn't support nozzle checks) appear OK too. Then it occurred to me that the Epson nozzle check wouldn't check the glop slot because it's expecting to fire a clear liquid and how would you tell if it's working OK when you couldn't see the result on paper? So, because the glop channel presumably doesn't fire during the nozzle check, and the two other channels appear OK then the glop slot is probably the one causing the banding (??). That said, I'd like to relocate the MK cartridge in the glop slot to, say, the yellow slot (I'm not worried about colour printing). It looks to me like all I have to do is the following in my curve file: 1. Change LIMIT_Y= [blank] to the value for LIMIT_GL, and then set LIMIT_GL to [blank] 2. Change UNUSED_INK_3=Y to CURVE_Y= [and cut/paste the values from the existing CURVE_GL line, and then change CURVE_GL="..." to UNUSED_INK_8=GL Is my reasoning sound...and is the solution this simple? Thanks for any help! Ken --- On Mon, 10/20/08, pr_roark <pr_roark@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: pr_roark <pr_roark@...> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: OT:printer storage > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Received: Monday, October 20, 2008, 11:25 PM > I've stored printers with "cleaning fluid" in > them, and it works fine, > with the caveat that cleaning fluid is often a lower > viscosity version > of the clear base. Perhaps due to its lower viscosity, I > found dry > cartridges in one printer where I used it. It might be > slowly running > straight through the printer. As such, I'm now mostly > using the clear > base I use in Carbon-6 ( > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink- > Mixing.pdf ). It's just distilled water (55% by > weight), glyerol (35%) > and Photo Flo (10%) -- very cheap and effective. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > "esharamaki" > <esharamaki@...> wrote: > > > > I'm thinking about storing my printer (epson 4000) > instead of getting > > rid of it. I was wondering about the possibility of > cleaning out the > > inks for long-term storage. Any advice or experience? > > Thanks! > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and > other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or > you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership > preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal > attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative > users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make > off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and > decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See “Group > Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND > AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY > DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR > LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR > THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; > (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR > (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > (Yahoo! ID required) > > > mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > >
Re: R1800/3MK - Swapping Cartridge Positions
2008-10-21 by the_des_bois
Had the same issue in the past. Eboni in K, MK and GL. Paul Roark had suggested testing all channels by printing the 21-step image using a single channel. I realized that MY printer had the less single channel banding in the Y,M,B and R channels. So I moved my blacks to the Y, M and B channels, modifying the curves using the method you describe, only I used QTR curve tool instead of Notepad. Result when 3 best channels are used: banding is gone gone and gone! So short answer: Yes and Yes. Good luck, Denis > > > 1. Change LIMIT_Y= [blank] to the value for LIMIT_GL, and then set LIMIT_GL to [blank] > > 2. Change UNUSED_INK_3=Y to CURVE_Y= [and cut/paste the values from the existing CURVE_GL line, and then change CURVE_GL="..." to UNUSED_INK_8=GL
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Re: R1800/3MK - Swapping Cartridge Positions
2008-10-21 by pr_roark
> > I'm getting banding on my prints. Head alignment is OK, and > nozzle check ... appear OK too. Then it occurred to me > that the Epson nozzle check wouldn't check the glop slot ... I think that checkerboard pattern checks the glop position. ... > I'd like to relocate the MK cartridge in the glop slot to, > say, the yellow slot (I'm not worried about colour printing). > It looks to me like all I have to do is the following in my > curve file: > > 1. Change LIMIT_Y= [blank] to the value for LIMIT_GL, and > then set LIMIT_GL to [blank] > > 2. Change UNUSED_INK_3=Y to CURVE_Y= [and cut/paste the > values from the existing CURVE_GL line, and then change > CURVE_GL="..." to UNUSED_INK_8=GL > > Is my reasoning sound...and is the solution this simple? I think you've got it. I do all this in the QTR Curve Creator in Windows, then save the file with a new name that indicates what slots are used. On my 1800 the linearization seems to hold when I change ink and curve positions. However, I've heard some say they had to re- linearize the 1800 when they've done this. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
Re: [Digital BW] Re: R1800/3MK - Swapping Cartridge Positions
2008-10-21 by Ken Alexander
Excellent! Thank you Denis. It's rare (at least for me) when things actually are as easy as they look. I'll give it a try later this week. I'll re-create my curves once I establish which positions to use. Thanks again, Ken --- On Tue, 10/21/08, the_des_bois <thedesbois@...> wrote:
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> From: the_des_bois <thedesbois@...> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: R1800/3MK - Swapping Cartridge Positions > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Received: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:22 AM > Had the same issue in the past. Eboni in K, MK and GL. > > Paul Roark had suggested testing all channels by printing > the 21-step > image using a single channel. I realized that MY printer > had the less > single channel banding in the Y,M,B and R channels. > > So I moved my blacks to the Y, M and B channels, modifying > the curves > using the method you describe, only I used QTR curve tool > instead of > Notepad. Result when 3 best channels are used: banding is > gone gone > and gone! > > So short answer: Yes and Yes. > > Good luck, > > Denis > > > > > > > > > 1. Change LIMIT_Y= [blank] to the value for LIMIT_GL, > and then set > LIMIT_GL to [blank] > > > > 2. Change UNUSED_INK_3=Y to CURVE_Y= [and cut/paste > the values from > the existing CURVE_GL line, and then change > CURVE_GL="..." to > UNUSED_INK_8=GL > > > > Is my reasoning sound...and is the solution this > simple? > > > > Thanks for any help! > > > > Ken > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and > other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or > you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership > preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal > attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative > users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make > off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and > decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See “Group > Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND > AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY > DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR > LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR > THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; > (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR > (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > (Yahoo! ID required) > > > mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > >
Re: [Digital BW] Re: R1800/3MK - Swapping Cartridge Positions
2008-10-21 by Ken Alexander
Thank you Paul! > I think that checkerboard pattern checks the glop position. Do you know how one evaluates the checkerboard to determine if things are good or bad? Of course, I guess that test is no good when there's MK in the glop position. > I think you've got it. I do all this in the QTR Curve > Creator in Windows, then save the file with a new name that indicates > what slots are used. On my 1800 the linearization seems to hold when > I change ink and curve positions. However, I've heard some say > they had to re-linearize the 1800 when they've done this. Well, I'm just happy it's going to be this easy! If it works then relinearizing will be a trivial final touch. Many thanks Paul, Ken
Re: R1800/3MK - Swapping Cartridge Positions
2008-10-21 by colingruk
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ken Alexander <k.alexander@...> wrote: > > That said, I'd like to relocate the MK cartridge in the glop slot to, say, the yellow slot (I'm not worried about colour printing). It looks to me like all I have to do is the following in my curve file: > > 1. Change LIMIT_Y= [blank] to the value for LIMIT_GL, and then set LIMIT_GL to [blank] > > 2. Change UNUSED_INK_3=Y to CURVE_Y= [and cut/paste the values from the existing CURVE_GL line, and then change CURVE_GL="..." to UNUSED_INK_8=GL > > Is my reasoning sound...and is the solution this simple? > > Thanks for any help! > > Ken I did this using notepad for the QIDF file but also had to change the Quad file. Colin
Re: [Digital BW] Re: R1800/3MK - Swapping Cartridge Positions
2008-10-29 by Ken Alexander
OK, just tried it. I guess it sounded good in theory...then harsh reality smacked me in the face. I made the changes to the file, then pulled my yellow cart and replaced it with the MK cart formerly in the glop slot and put my old glop cart back in that slot. However, now the printer (correctly) reports that an incorrect cartridge is plugged into the yellow slot. How does one overcome that? Ken --- On Tue, 10/21/08, the_des_bois <thedesbois@...> wrote:
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> From: the_des_bois <thedesbois@...> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: R1800/3MK - Swapping Cartridge Positions > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Received: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:22 AM > Had the same issue in the past. Eboni in K, MK and GL. > > Paul Roark had suggested testing all channels by printing > the 21-step > image using a single channel. I realized that MY printer > had the less > single channel banding in the Y,M,B and R channels. > > So I moved my blacks to the Y, M and B channels, modifying > the curves > using the method you describe, only I used QTR curve tool > instead of > Notepad. Result when 3 best channels are used: banding is > gone gone > and gone! > > So short answer: Yes and Yes. > > Good luck, > > Denis > > > > > > > > > 1. Change LIMIT_Y= [blank] to the value for LIMIT_GL, > and then set > LIMIT_GL to [blank] > > > > 2. Change UNUSED_INK_3=Y to CURVE_Y= [and cut/paste > the values from > the existing CURVE_GL line, and then change > CURVE_GL="..." to > UNUSED_INK_8=GL > > > > Is my reasoning sound...and is the solution this > simple? > > > > Thanks for any help! > > > > Ken > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and > other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or > you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership > preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal > attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative > users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make > off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and > decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See “Group > Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND > AGREE THAT THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY > DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR > LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR > THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; > (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR > (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > (Yahoo! ID required) > > > mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > >
[Digital BW] Re: R1800/3MK - Swapping Cartridge Positions
2008-10-30 by pr_roark
You need to change the chips. I use a sharp knife to shave off the plastic pegs that hold it on. Then they'll pry off easily. I also use a 1/8 inch of tape at the top of the chip to hold it onto the new cart. Be sure it's secure. A cart that is installed or removed with a chip off can wreck the printer by bending the contacts. Paul www.PaulRoark.com --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ken Alexander <k.alexander@...> wrote: > > OK, just tried it. I guess it sounded good in theory...then harsh reality smacked me in the face. I made the changes to the file, then pulled my yellow cart and replaced it with the MK cart formerly in the glop slot and put my old glop cart back in that slot. > > However, now the printer (correctly) reports that an incorrect cartridge is plugged into the yellow slot. How does one overcome that?
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> > Ken > > > --- On Tue, 10/21/08, the_des_bois <thedesbois@...> wrote: > > > From: the_des_bois <thedesbois@...> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: R1800/3MK - Swapping Cartridge Positions > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Received: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 2:22 AM > > Had the same issue in the past. Eboni in K, MK and GL. > > > > Paul Roark had suggested testing all channels by printing > > the 21-step > > image using a single channel. I realized that MY printer > > had the less > > single channel banding in the Y,M,B and R channels. > > > > So I moved my blacks to the Y, M and B channels, modifying > > the curves > > using the method you describe, only I used QTR curve tool > > instead of > > Notepad. Result when 3 best channels are used: banding is > > gone gone > > and gone! > > > > So short answer: Yes and Yes. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Change LIMIT_Y= [blank] to the value for LIMIT_GL, > > and then set > > LIMIT_GL to [blank] > > > > > > 2. Change UNUSED_INK_3=Y to CURVE_Y= [and cut/paste > > the values from > > the existing CURVE_GL line, and then change > > CURVE_GL="..." to > > UNUSED_INK_8=GL > > > > > > Is my reasoning sound...and is the solution this > > simple? > > > > > > Thanks for any help! > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and > > other resources as they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or > > you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership > > preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > > messages to keep them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal > > attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative > > users may be removed from the membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make > > off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and > > decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See âGroup > > Topic, Rules and Guidelinesâ in the Files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL > > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND > > AGREE THAT THE âOWNERâ AND âMODERATORSâ OF DIGITAL > > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY > > DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR > > LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE âOWNERâ AND âMODERATORSâ OF > > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR > > THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; > > (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR > > (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > (Yahoo! ID required) > > > > > > mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-fullfeatured@...m > > > > >