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Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

2009-09-15 by pr_roark

I'm going to be part of a photo show at Gallery Ten-Twenty-Nine, 1029 State Street, Santa Barbara, CA for October and November.  SB has an evening "art walk" event every first Thursday.  I've actually never been there on one of these, but I understand all the galleries are open on those evenings from 5 - 8 pm.  So, it ought to be a fun time to check out the scene.

The brochure for the gallery I'm going to be at is posted at http://www.paulroark.com/Gallery1029.jpg

I'll have nine 22x28s (or larger) there.  All are being printed with Eboni-6 on either Arches Hot Press watercolor paper or Premier Art Smooth BW.  

I'm still using the old 7500 for these.  (No time yet to set up the 7800, and parts are still on order for the full-on, hopefully stable carbon printer design modifications I have in mind for the 7800.)

And if my framing materials don't arrive soon, I'll be experimenting with the latest thumb-tack style.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

2009-09-15 by paulmwhiting

May your show go well! As for thumbtacks, my wife and I ran a gallery here in Billings for a few years and a friend hung his photos that way. He gave an interesting gallery talk on the "scrapbook motif". Nothing wrong with that.

Wish I were closer, we'd sure be there.

Paul

Re: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

2009-09-26 by StudioPBG@Gmail

Paul,

I was in Santa Barbara today and happened to walk in to Gallery
Ten-Twenty-Nine.   I am not sure it the exhibit was complete or set up.
Didn¹t see anyone there.   I must say your images were stunning.  This was
the first time I had ever seen full carbon prints they were amazing.    I am
a traditional darkroom printer working in medium and large format.    I have
been eyeing this forum getting reading to jump in.  Seeing your prints have
certainly prompted me to get started.  Lovely work.

Paul Grant
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Subject: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

 
 
 

I'm going to be part of a photo show at Gallery Ten-Twenty-Nine, 1029 State
Street, Santa Barbara, CA for October and November.  SB has an evening "art
walk" event every first Thursday.  I've actually never been there on one of
these, but I understand all the galleries are open on those evenings from 5
- 8 pm.  So, it ought to be a fun time to check out the scene.

The brochure for the gallery I'm going to be at is posted at
http://www.paulroark.com/Gallery1029.jpg

I'll have nine 22x28s (or larger) there.  All are being printed with Eboni-6
on either Arches Hot Press watercolor paper or Premier Art Smooth BW.

I'm still using the old 7500 for these.  (No time yet to set up the 7800,
and parts are still on order for the full-on, hopefully stable carbon
printer design modifications I have in mind for the 7800.)

And if my framing materials don't arrive soon, I'll be experimenting with
the latest thumb-tack style.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

  
    





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Re: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

2009-09-26 by pr_roark

Paul Grant, "StudioPBG@..." <studiopbg@...> wrote:
 
> I was in Santa Barbara today and happened to walk in to Gallery
> Ten-Twenty-Nine.   I am not sure it the exhibit was complete 
> or set up. Didn¹t see anyone there.

I don't think it's going to be set up until just before Thursday, October 1.  The real target is the "First Thursday" art walk evening that Santa Barbara regularly has.

>   I must say your images were stunning. 

Thank you.  (Though I was a bit unhappy with my alternative acrylic supplier delivering a "non-glare" piece for the Big Dipper shot.  I think it actually interferes with seeing the rather dark, nighttime print, but there is no time to change it now.)

> This was the first time I had ever seen full carbon prints 
> they were amazing.

The first results of sophisticated third party fade testing ought to be out mid-October.  It'll be interesting to see how 100% Eboni carbon does in the test.

> I am a traditional darkroom printer working in medium and 
> large format...

I'm sorry I was not there to meet you.  I'll be at the gallery (1029 State Street, Santa Barbara, CA) for the "First Thursday" receptions, 5 - 8 pm Oct. 1 and Nov. 5.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

2009-09-26 by Gary

Paul,

Is the Arches Hot Press Paper used with Eboni-6 giving a warm image tone or
a cooler tone like the Premier Art Smooth?

Thanks,

Gary Wagner

 

garywagner.com
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Paul,

I was in Santa Barbara today and happened to walk in to Gallery
Ten-Twenty-Nine. I am not sure it the exhibit was complete or set up.
Didn¹t see anyone there. I must say your images were stunning. This was
the first time I had ever seen full carbon prints they were amazing. I am
a traditional darkroom printer working in medium and large format. I have
been eyeing this forum getting reading to jump in. Seeing your prints have
certainly prompted me to get started. Lovely work.

Paul Grant






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Re: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

2009-09-26 by pr_roark

"Gary " <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Paul,
> 
> Is the Arches Hot Press Paper used with Eboni-6 giving a 
> warm image tone or
> a cooler tone like the Premier Art Smooth?

Arches Hot Press watercolor paper comes is both "regular" and "bright white" versions.  Both are "natural" papers with no OBA's.  As such, both have a positive Lab B, unlike the brightened papers that are often bluish, with a negative Lab B.  So, compared to the OBA papers, all Arches watercolor paper is going to be warmer.

I have 2 samples of Eboni-6 on Arches, currently hanging side by side at Gallery 1029.  One is on the regular Arches, the other is one the "bright white."   Both are warmer than the other images that are on Premier Art Smooth BW, an OBA paper with a Lab B about equal to -2.

What I find is that our eyes do something like an auto white balance on whatever large white area is in view.  So, if there is no brightened paper around the prints can look quite neutral.

Also, the sense of warmth is significantly influenced by the change in the Lab B from the paper white to the midtones.  Carbon pigments all have some increase in Lab B in the highlights and midtones relative to the paper white.  Why I like Eboni is that it has the least I've found among carbon pigments, and one nice characteristic of Arches watercolor paper is that it has a relatively low Lab B increase with Eboni.

The change in the Lab B ("delta Lab B") for H. Photo Rag is about 5.  For my favorite paper to make neutral-cool carbon prints, Premier Art Smooth BW, the delta Lab B is about 4.  For Arches, it's 2.5.  (This is using a 2200 as a test bed for the 7800 that I'll switch to soon.  The 7500 with it's large drops can print on PA Smooth BW with a delta Lab B of less than 3.   Drop size makes less difference for un-coated papers, and the old 7500 on Arches is just too rough for me if there are smooth clouds in the image.)

So, the bottom line is that the Arches is warm compared to brightened paper, but if displayed in a setting with no bright paper around it, preferably with lights that are not overly yellow, dilute Eboni on Arches BW looks quite neutral.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

2009-09-26 by Gary

Paul,

Is the black density on the Arches Bright White similar to the Premier Art
Smooth? 

 

Have you seen it available in small sheets any place or are you cutting it
yourself?

Thanks,

Gary Wagner

garywagner.com
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Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

 

  

"Gary " <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Paul,
> 
> Is the Arches Hot Press Paper used with Eboni-6 giving a 
> warm image tone or
> a cooler tone like the Premier Art Smooth?

Arches Hot Press watercolor paper comes is both "regular" and "bright white"
versions. Both are "natural" papers with no OBA's. As such, both have a
positive Lab B, unlike the brightened papers that are often bluish, with a
negative Lab B. So, compared to the OBA papers, all Arches watercolor paper
is going to be warmer.

I have 2 samples of Eboni-6 on Arches, currently hanging side by side at
Gallery 1029. One is on the regular Arches, the other is one the "bright
white." Both are warmer than the other images that are on Premier Art Smooth
BW, an OBA paper with a Lab B about equal to -2.

What I find is that our eyes do something like an auto white balance on
whatever large white area is in view. So, if there is no brightened paper
around the prints can look quite neutral.

Also, the sense of warmth is significantly influenced by the change in the
Lab B from the paper white to the midtones. Carbon pigments all have some
increase in Lab B in the highlights and midtones relative to the paper
white. Why I like Eboni is that it has the least I've found among carbon
pigments, and one nice characteristic of Arches watercolor paper is that it
has a relatively low Lab B increase with Eboni.

The change in the Lab B ("delta Lab B") for H. Photo Rag is about 5. For my
favorite paper to make neutral-cool carbon prints, Premier Art Smooth BW,
the delta Lab B is about 4. For Arches, it's 2.5. (This is using a 2200 as a
test bed for the 7800 that I'll switch to soon. The 7500 with it's large
drops can print on PA Smooth BW with a delta Lab B of less than 3. Drop size
makes less difference for un-coated papers, and the old 7500 on Arches is
just too rough for me if there are smooth clouds in the image.)

So, the bottom line is that the Arches is warm compared to brightened paper,
but if displayed in a setting with no bright paper around it, preferably
with lights that are not overly yellow, dilute Eboni on Arches BW looks
quite neutral.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 





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Re: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

2009-09-26 by pr_roark

"Gary " <gary@...> wrote:
> 
> Is the black density on the Arches Bright White similar to 
> the Premier Art Smooth?

It's not quite as good.  The Premier Art Smooth BW has a mid-1.60's dmax, and the Arches is mid-to-high 1.50's.  One of the images in my office and at the Santa Barbara show, however, is my Disney Concert Hall (#1) (see http://paulroark.com/Disney-1.jpg) which is very dependent on a good black.  It looks fine on Arches.


> Have you seen it available in small sheets any place or 
> are you cutting it yourself?

Legion Paper West (I think) at one time had small sheets of some Arches, but I just buy full sheets (22.4 x 30) at Dick Blick and cut it.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

2009-09-26 by StudioPBG@Gmail

Paul,

Tough for me to comment on much as I don’t think the display was ready.  The
gallery lights were not on.      I was just impressed with the smoothness
and sharpness of the images.  The images alone stood on their own.   The few
small carbon prints I had see before looked pretty flat.    I had seen some
of your work is Los Olivos ( have no idea how they were printed) but none
were the size, or as stunning as these.  I do think the Acrylic added more
than it took away.  Again hard to say without the gallery lights.

Relative to others comments I do think were a tad on the warm side but I
liked the what I saw.

Paul Grant
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:10:15 -0000
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Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

 
 
 

Paul Grant, "StudioPBG@..." <studiopbg@...> wrote:
 
> I was in Santa Barbara today and happened to walk in to Gallery
> Ten-Twenty-Nine.   I am not sure it the exhibit was complete
> or set up. Didn¹t see anyone there.

I don't think it's going to be set up until just before Thursday, October 1.
The real target is the "First Thursday" art walk evening that Santa Barbara
regularly has.

>   I must say your images were stunning.

Thank you.  (Though I was a bit unhappy with my alternative acrylic supplier
delivering a "non-glare" piece for the Big Dipper shot.  I think it actually
interferes with seeing the rather dark, nighttime print, but there is no
time to change it now.)

> This was the first time I had ever seen full carbon prints
> they were amazing.

The first results of sophisticated third party fade testing ought to be out
mid-October.  It'll be interesting to see how 100% Eboni carbon does in the
test.

> I am a traditional darkroom printer working in medium and
> large format...

I'm sorry I was not there to meet you.  I'll be at the gallery (1029 State
Street, Santa Barbara, CA) for the "First Thursday" receptions, 5 - 8 pm
Oct. 1 and Nov. 5.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

  
    





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Re: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

2009-09-26 by StudioPBG@Gmail

Paul

Is that you office in the corner of the 1029 gallery?   I wondered if that
was your space?   GREAT area I must say.   I was there about noon or so
yesterday.

Paul Grant
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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:59:03 -0000
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Shameless plug -- Santa Barbara Gallery show

 
 
 

"Gary " <gary@...> wrote:
> 
> Is the black density on the Arches Bright White similar to
> the Premier Art Smooth?

It's not quite as good.  The Premier Art Smooth BW has a mid-1.60's dmax,
and the Arches is mid-to-high 1.50's.  One of the images in my office and at
the Santa Barbara show, however, is my Disney Concert Hall (#1) (see
http://paulroark.com/Disney-1.jpg) which is very dependent on a good black.
It looks fine on Arches.

> Have you seen it available in small sheets any place or
> are you cutting it yourself?

Legion Paper West (I think) at one time had small sheets of some Arches, but
I just buy full sheets (22.4 x 30) at Dick Blick and cut it.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com  

  
    





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