Doepfer

Something I don't see on the market that I'd be happy to pick up would
be a CV controllable Solina style "ensemble" module.

I'd also like an add-on companion for the existing BBD modules
consisting of a compander and a steep lower cost LP filter to give the
option of an improved sound. I guess one could make a fairly costly
ensemble effect with existing modules if the S/N was a bit better. 



Waveshapers. 
I'll buy the wave multiplier 2 that comes out and would buy other
modules that reshape waves.



Exponential to linear, linear to exponential converters.


-nick

ok, idea #2 noted for a poll.
 
as for #4: more details...?
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, nicholas_kent <nicholas_kent@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: nicholas_kent <nicholas_kent@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:59 PM






Something I don't see on the market that I'd be happy to pick up would
be a CV controllable Solina style "ensemble" module.

I'd also like an add-on companion for the existing BBD modules
consisting of a compander and a steep lower cost LP filter to give the
option of an improved sound. I guess one could make a fairly costly
ensemble effect with existing modules if the S/N was a bit better. 

Waveshapers. 
I'll buy the wave multiplier 2 that comes out and would buy other
modules that reshape waves.

Exponential to linear, linear to exponential converters.

-nick

 














      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

How about a basic triangle to sine wave shaper module? It could have
Triangle In, Original Triangle Out and the best possible Sine Out that
can be achieved. You could even fit two of them onto a 4HP panel. 

Cheers,
Adam-V

I still want a mixer module with mutes, pan knobs (maybe CV
pan/mute?), a single led for input level, mute buttons, stereo led's
for output level, and of course - a set of stereo outputs. Even if
it's just 4 channels. maybe fx send/return, or even eq, but that's
probably pushing it. 
This would be the brain of my system.
As it is I have mixers running into mixers, running with no visual
indication of what is happening where. In a live situation it's
especially frustrating, esp. with complex layered patches.
Am I alone (again) on this one?
Wowa Cwejman seems to think it's not a bad idea.
http://www.cwejman.net/cwejman.net/mx-7.htm

such a similar module is on the planning stage of Doepfer since many months ago.
so, Dieter, would it make sense to create a new poll for it?
 
if Dieter agrees, i'll make a poll for that idea.
 
thanks,
Bakis.
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, jeswa <j@schematic.net> wrote:

From: jeswa <j@schematic.net>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 4:56 AM






I still want a mixer module with mutes, pan knobs (maybe CV
pan/mute?), a single led for input level, mute buttons, stereo led's
for output level, and of course - a set of stereo outputs. Even if
it's just 4 channels. maybe fx send/return, or even eq, but that's
probably pushing it. 
This would be the brain of my system.
As it is I have mixers running into mixers, running with no visual
indication of what is happening where. In a live situation it's
especially frustrating, esp. with complex layered patches.
Am I alone (again) on this one?
Wowa Cwejman seems to think it's not a bad idea.
http://www.cwejman. net/cwejman. net/mx-7. htm

 














      

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Hi,
It seems this has been done already as custom for one/some(?)
but I would love to see a simple 4hp expander with sine and cosine input so
you can connect any quadrature module to the a126.
Perhaps this will be built in on the future module but it would be a nice
expander for those with the older a126.
I would prefer doing this over forever dedicated an a-143-9 to this.
thanks!
phil

> How about a basic triangle to sine wave shaper module? It could have
> Triangle In, Original Triangle Out and the best possible Sine Out that
> can be achieved. You could even fit two of them onto a 4HP panel.
>
> Cheers,
> Adam-V

Good idea. This would not require to solder a module to install the
modification. And every user could decide if he wants a better sine or not.
But it would be more expensive than the internal modifications because it's
mostly the mechanics (front panel, sockets, potentiometers and knobs) that
is responible for the price of a module. The internal modification would be
in the Euro 10-20 range, whereas the prise of the module version would be at
least in the Euro 50 range for a dual tri-to-sine converter.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

I would like to have a low cost, vc controlled, single or dual, 2 or 3 
or 4 way crossover module, thank you very much.

(I know there is a A-106-6 filter module)

> Hi,
> It seems this has been done already as custom for one/some(?)
> but I would love to see a simple 4hp expander with sine and
> cosine input so
> you can connect any quadrature module to the a126.
> Perhaps this will be built in on the future module but it would be a nice
> expander for those with the older a126.
> I would prefer doing this over forever dedicated an a-143-9 to this.
> thanks!
> phil

We offer this modification only as a manually wired custom made product. The
inquiries have not been sufficient so far to offer a separate "module". It's
nothing but a switch (to switch between internal and external Quadrature
VCO), some capacitors  and two sockets for sine/cosine in. For details
please refer to the pdf document
http://www.doepfer.de/a100_man/A126_A143_9_connection.pdf

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

seconded, such a mixer would indeed be nice

for well thought out playability Cwejman' stuff looks pretty good eh? this looks very interesting too  

http://www.cwejman.net/cwejman.net/mx-4s.htm




R

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jeswa 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:56 AM
  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 module


  I still want a mixer module with mutes, pan knobs (maybe CV
  pan/mute?), a single led for input level, mute buttons, stereo led's
  for output level, and of course - a set of stereo outputs. Even if
  it's just 4 channels. maybe fx send/return, or even eq, but that's
  probably pushing it. 
  This would be the brain of my system.
  As it is I have mixers running into mixers, running with no visual
  indication of what is happening where. In a live situation it's
  especially frustrating, esp. with complex layered patches.
  Am I alone (again) on this one?
  Wowa Cwejman seems to think it's not a bad idea.
  http://www.cwejman.net/cwejman.net/mx-7.htm



   

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more details for such a module?
 
i'll make a poll for it, just need a few more details on features...


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, ysinollaysi <ysinollaysi@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: ysinollaysi <ysinollaysi@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 11:58 AM






I would like to have a low cost, vc controlled, single or dual, 2 or 3 
or 4 way crossover module, thank you very much.

(I know there is a A-106-6 filter module)

 














      

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I don't need anything fancy... I know this can be done with several
modules and that cwejman has planned this kind of module. But I would
buy it from Dieter.

3-way crossover / frequency splitter:
-input
-two pots for manual crossover frequency control and two inputs for cv
control.
-three outputs for low / mid / high freqs.
that's it

More and less crossover points means more and less pots, cv ins,
outputs. 2-way needs only 1 in, 1 pot, 1 cv in, 2 outs. 4-way will
need 1 in, 3 pots, 3 cv ins, 4 outs etc.

Someone more technically oriented can suggest nice add-ons...



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
>
> more details for such a module?
>  
> i'll make a poll for it, just need a few more details on features...
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
> 
> --- On Thu, 12/4/08, ysinollaysi <ysinollaysi@...> wrote:
> 
> From: ysinollaysi <ysinollaysi@...>
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for
future Doepfer A100 module

> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 11:58 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to have a low cost, vc controlled, single or dual, 2 or 3 
> or 4 way crossover module, thank you very much.
> 
> (I know there is a A-106-6 filter module)
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

For many of us, panel space in our racks is an issue. I already have a drawer filled with 
unused modules removed to make room.

 A dedicated module to convert sines (when the VCO already has "Sine" output) doesn't 
make much sense and probably not worth the additional panel space. Maybe include 
quality sines in future VCOs and LFOs and offer a kit for DIY'ers?


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:

>
> > How about a basic triangle to sine wave shaper module? It could have
> > Triangle In, Original Triangle Out and the best possible Sine Out that
> > can be achieved. You could even fit two of them onto a 4HP panel.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Adam-V
> 
> Good idea. This would not require to solder a module to install the
> modification. And every user could decide if he wants a better sine or not.
> But it would be more expensive than the internal modifications because it's
> mostly the mechanics (front panel, sockets, potentiometers and knobs) that
> is responible for the price of a module. The internal modification would be
> in the Euro 10-20 range, whereas the prise of the module version would be at
> least in the Euro 50 range for a dual tri-to-sine converter.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

Hi ysinollaysi


> 3-way crossover / frequency splitter:
> -input
> -two pots for manual crossover frequency control and two inputs for cv
> control.
> -three outputs for low / mid / high freqs.
> that's it
You can do this with two A101-1 in series.

in---101-1-lo-out-------------------------------->lo
           -hi-out---->101-1-lo-out--------------->mid
                            -hi-out--------------->hi



Florian

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander <fanwander@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi ysinollaysi
> 
> 
> > 3-way crossover / frequency splitter:
> > -input
> > -two pots for manual crossover frequency control and two inputs for cv
> > control.
> > -three outputs for low / mid / high freqs.
> > that's it
> You can do this with two A101-1 in series.
> 
> in---101-1-lo-out-------------------------------->lo
>            -hi-out---->101-1-lo-out--------------->mid
>                             -hi-out--------------->hi
> 
> 
> 
> Florian
>

260 euros and 32 HP - no thanks ; )

I have simulated this with other modules too but I really could use a
simple dedicated module(s).

This would be a good solution because I would imagine you can plug  
other waveforms than a triangle to get odd shaped waves for outputs.  
Would that work too?
-James

On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:55 AM, yahoo@doepfer.de wrote:

> > How about a basic triangle to sine wave shaper module? It could have
> > Triangle In, Original Triangle Out and the best possible Sine Out  
> that
> > can be achieved. You could even fit two of them onto a 4HP panel.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Adam-V
>
> Good idea. This would not require to solder a module to install the
> modification. And every user could decide if he wants a better sine  
> or not.
> But it would be more expensive than the internal modifications  
> because it's
> mostly the mechanics (front panel, sockets, potentiometers and  
> knobs) that
> is responible for the price of a module. The internal modification  
> would be
> in the Euro 10-20 range, whereas the prise of the module version  
> would be at
> least in the Euro 50 range for a dual tri-to-sine converter.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would like to see a 5x5 matrix mixer built around the Buchla 205  
design. Each crosspoint would go from off, to full on, to full  
inverted. Designed to pass audio or CVs. I know this module would not  
be cheap because of the 25 pots, but it would be a very powerful  
module for performance and patch building. I have the schematic and  
parts kicking around but would love to see a true Doepfer unit and not  
some DIY panel loudly sticking out of my rig like a sore thumb.

-James

> I would like to see a 5x5 matrix mixer built around the Buchla 205
> design. Each crosspoint would go from off, to full on, to full
> inverted. Designed to pass audio or CVs. I know this module would not
> be cheap because of the 25 pots, but it would be a very powerful
> module for performance and patch building. I have the schematic and
> parts kicking around but would love to see a true Doepfer unit and not
> some DIY panel loudly sticking out of my rig like a sore thumb.
>
> -James

Exactly this module will be released next year. Our only problem is that we
could not find the potentiometers we want to use with center detent and
center terminal (not the version used e.g. in the A-188-2 or A-138d but the
horizontal version with the axis at right angle to the pcb). This is why
it's not yet shown in the future modules list so far. Without center detent
and center terminal it's hard to find the zero position and I think that's
essential for a mixer with polarizer function. The simple version (only
attenuators, no polarizers) could be released very soon as this is already
available as a working prototype. But we want to try to find a manufacturer
who is able to produce the desired potentiometer with center detent and
center terminal. And the price will be not too much as all parts are located
on one pcb only (that's why we need the horizontal version of the
potentiometers). I think it will be in the Euro 100...150 range.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von James Husted
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. Dezember 2008 19:31
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas
> for future Doepfer A100 module
>
>
> This would be a good solution because I would imagine you can plug
> other waveforms than a triangle to get odd shaped waves for outputs.
> Would that work too?
> -James

Yes, I'll try our prototype with other waveforms. Especially sawtooth might
be interesting.

If you are interested in a simple but effective voltage controlled
waveshaping method you should look at the application of the universal
vactrol module (A-101-9) in combination with the A-110 (last page of the
A-101-9 user's manual). The A-101-9 can be used to alter the waveshaper
adjustment and changes the waveforms of triangle and sine.

Best regards
Dieter

Dieter-
Ken Stone's Matrix mixer does the inversion thing without the multi- 
taped center terminal pots. His design is shown here:
http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs33_matrix_mixer.html

He has a switch to turn it from normal (off-on) to Bi-polar (full  
inverted-off-full non inverted) which is very nice. You may be able to  
avoid the expensive pots my using some of his ideas (in your own  
circuit of course). Maybe a taper can be found that would leave a wide  
"off" zone and then no detent would be needed either (especially if  
the mode can be switched from bi-polar to normal - the detent would be  
odd in the normal mode)

I was wrong about the Buchla 205 - Looking at the schematics it  
appears to not do the inverting bit. That is a very nice function but  
if the cost/availability
of the pots is a problem, the "normal" version is still quite usefull.
-james

On Dec 4, 2008, at 11:13 AM, yahoo@doepfer.de wrote:

> > I would like to see a 5x5 matrix mixer built around the Buchla 205
> > design. Each crosspoint would go from off, to full on, to full
> > inverted. Designed to pass audio or CVs. I know this module would  
> not
> > be cheap because of the 25 pots, but it would be a very powerful
> > module for performance and patch building. I have the schematic and
> > parts kicking around but would love to see a true Doepfer unit and  
> not
> > some DIY panel loudly sticking out of my rig like a sore thumb.
> >
> > -James
>
> Exactly this module will be released next year. Our only problem is  
> that we
> could not find the potentiometers we want to use with center detent  
> and
> center terminal (not the version used e.g. in the A-188-2 or A-138d  
> but the
> horizontal version with the axis at right angle to the pcb). This is  
> why
> it's not yet shown in the future modules list so far. Without center  
> detent
> and center terminal it's hard to find the zero position and I think  
> that's
> essential for a mixer with polarizer function. The simple version  
> (only
> attenuators, no polarizers) could be released very soon as this is  
> already
> available as a working prototype. But we want to try to find a  
> manufacturer
> who is able to produce the desired potentiometer with center detent  
> and
> center terminal. And the price will be not too much as all parts are  
> located
> on one pcb only (that's why we need the horizontal version of the
> potentiometers). I think it will be in the Euro 100...150 range.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dieter-
Looks like he also made a "Euro" version that has multiple PCB's and  
allows the polarity switching on each output column individually which  
is even more useful at the expense of extra switches of course.

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs33_matrix_mixer_euro.html

-James

On Dec 4, 2008, at 11:42 AM, James Husted wrote:

> Dieter-
> Ken Stone's Matrix mixer does the inversion thing without the multi-
> taped center terminal pots. His design is shown here:
> http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs33_matrix_mixer.html
>
> He has a switch to turn it from normal (off-on) to Bi-polar (full
> inverted-off-full non inverted) which is very nice. You may be able to
> avoid the expensive pots my using some of his ideas (in your own
> circuit of course). Maybe a taper can be found that would leave a wide
> "off" zone and then no detent would be needed either (especially if
> the mode can be switched from bi-polar to normal - the detent would be
> odd in the normal mode)
>
> I was wrong about the Buchla 205 - Looking at the schematics it
> appears to not do the inverting bit. That is a very nice function but
> if the cost/availability
> of the pots is a problem, the "normal" version is still quite usefull.
> -james
>
> On Dec 4, 2008, at 11:13 AM, yahoo@doepfer.de wrote:
>
> > > I would like to see a 5x5 matrix mixer built around the Buchla 205
> > > design. Each crosspoint would go from off, to full on, to full
> > > inverted. Designed to pass audio or CVs. I know this module would
> > not
> > > be cheap because of the 25 pots, but it would be a very powerful
> > > module for performance and patch building. I have the schematic  
> and
> > > parts kicking around but would love to see a true Doepfer unit and
> > not
> > > some DIY panel loudly sticking out of my rig like a sore thumb.
> > >
> > > -James
> >
> > Exactly this module will be released next year. Our only problem is
> > that we
> > could not find the potentiometers we want to use with center detent
> > and
> > center terminal (not the version used e.g. in the A-188-2 or A-138d
> > but the
> > horizontal version with the axis at right angle to the pcb). This is
> > why
> > it's not yet shown in the future modules list so far. Without center
> > detent
> > and center terminal it's hard to find the zero position and I think
> > that's
> > essential for a mixer with polarizer function. The simple version
> > (only
> > attenuators, no polarizers) could be released very soon as this is
> > already
> > available as a working prototype. But we want to try to find a
> > manufacturer
> > who is able to produce the desired potentiometer with center detent
> > and
> > center terminal. And the price will be not too much as all parts are
> > located
> > on one pcb only (that's why we need the horizontal version of the
> > potentiometers). I think it will be in the Euro 100...150 range.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The other bonus would be the ability to patch in oscillators other
than the A110/111.

For those not wanting to add modules for this purpose perhaps both
types of conversion could be offered on the oscillator board itself
with a user selectable link to pre-set whichever version of sine is
required? I wouldn't think it would add that much more to the cost of
the module to do this would it?

Cheers,
Adam-V

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
>
> nice idea!
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
> 
> --- On Thu, 12/4/08, James Husted <ersatzplanet@...> wrote:
> 
> From: James Husted <ersatzplanet@...>
> Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new
ideas for future Doepfer A100 module

> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:30 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This would be a good solution because I would imagine you can plug 
> other waveforms than a triangle to get odd shaped waves for outputs. 
> Would that work too?
> -James
> 
> On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:55 AM, yahoo@doepfer. de wrote:
> 
> > > How about a basic triangle to sine wave shaper module? It could have
> > > Triangle In, Original Triangle Out and the best possible Sine Out 
> > that
> > > can be achieved. You could even fit two of them onto a 4HP panel.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Adam-V
> >
> > Good idea. This would not require to solder a module to install the
> > modification. And every user could decide if he wants a better sine 
> > or not.
> > But it would be more expensive than the internal modifications 
> > because it's
> > mostly the mechanics (front panel, sockets, potentiometers and 
> > knobs) that
> > is responible for the price of a module. The internal modification 
> > would be
> > in the Euro 10-20 range, whereas the prise of the module version 
> > would be at
> > least in the Euro 50 range for a dual tri-to-sine converter.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

ok, idea noted.

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, James Husted <ersatzplanet@mac.com> wrote:

From: James Husted <ersatzplanet@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:41 PM






I would like to see a 5x5 matrix mixer built around the Buchla 205 
design. Each crosspoint would go from off, to full on, to full 
inverted. Designed to pass audio or CVs. I know this module would not 
be cheap because of the 25 pots, but it would be a very powerful 
module for performance and patch building. I have the schematic and 
parts kicking around but would love to see a true Doepfer unit and not 
some DIY panel loudly sticking out of my rig like a sore thumb.

-James
 














      

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great!!

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

From: yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de>
Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:13 PM






> I would like to see a 5x5 matrix mixer built around the Buchla 205
> design. Each crosspoint would go from off, to full on, to full
> inverted. Designed to pass audio or CVs. I know this module would not
> be cheap because of the 25 pots, but it would be a very powerful
> module for performance and patch building. I have the schematic and
> parts kicking around but would love to see a true Doepfer unit and not
> some DIY panel loudly sticking out of my rig like a sore thumb.
>
> -James

Exactly this module will be released next year. Our only problem is that we
could not find the potentiometers we want to use with center detent and
center terminal (not the version used e.g. in the A-188-2 or A-138d but the
horizontal version with the axis at right angle to the pcb). This is why
it's not yet shown in the future modules list so far. Without center detent
and center terminal it's hard to find the zero position and I think that's
essential for a mixer with polarizer function. The simple version (only
attenuators, no polarizers) could be released very soon as this is already
available as a working prototype. But we want to try to find a manufacturer
who is able to produce the desired potentiometer with center detent and
center terminal. And the price will be not too much as all parts are located
on one pcb only (that's why we need the horizontal version of the
potentiometers) . I think it will be in the Euro 100...150 range.

Best wishes
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nice idea!

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, James Husted <ersatzplanet@mac.com> wrote:

From: James Husted <ersatzplanet@mac.com>
Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:30 PM






This would be a good solution because I would imagine you can plug 
other waveforms than a triangle to get odd shaped waves for outputs. 
Would that work too?
-James

On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:55 AM, yahoo@doepfer. de wrote:

> > How about a basic triangle to sine wave shaper module? It could have
> > Triangle In, Original Triangle Out and the best possible Sine Out 
> that
> > can be achieved. You could even fit two of them onto a 4HP panel.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Adam-V
>
> Good idea. This would not require to solder a module to install the
> modification. And every user could decide if he wants a better sine 
> or not.
> But it would be more expensive than the internal modifications 
> because it's
> mostly the mechanics (front panel, sockets, potentiometers and 
> knobs) that
> is responible for the price of a module. The internal modification 
> would be
> in the Euro 10-20 range, whereas the prise of the module version 
> would be at
> least in the Euro 50 range for a dual tri-to-sine converter.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
> 

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Sounds good in theory but the external tri-to-sine most probably not perform well. The 
converters will have calibrated by the user to *each* specific oscillator triangle wave 
patched in. I doubt most would bother pull out the module, hook up a scope trim the 
calibration pots every time they patch a new wave!

Making a tri-to-buzzy-sine external converter is more practical sine it requires NO 
calibration to make the conversion. This way you can get even get this buzzy wave with 
other vendors oscillators (Plan-B, Z0, ASys).

And it frees Doepfer to make higher quality oscillators without complaints from the small 
band who use this crappy "sine"  wave.



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Adam-V" <adam-v@...> wrote:

>
> The other bonus would be the ability to patch in oscillators other
> than the A110/111.
> 
> For those not wanting to add modules for this purpose perhaps both
> types of conversion could be offered on the oscillator board itself
> with a user selectable link to pre-set whichever version of sine is
> required? I wouldn't think it would add that much more to the cost of
> the module to do this would it?
> 
> Cheers,
> Adam-V
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> >
> > nice idea!
> > 
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > www. DiN. org. uk
> > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > Athens - Greece
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, James Husted <ersatzplanet@> wrote:
> > 
> > From: James Husted <ersatzplanet@>
> > Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new
> ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:30 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This would be a good solution because I would imagine you can plug 
> > other waveforms than a triangle to get odd shaped waves for outputs. 
> > Would that work too?
> > -James
> > 
> > On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:55 AM, yahoo@doepfer. de wrote:
> > 
> > > > How about a basic triangle to sine wave shaper module? It could have
> > > > Triangle In, Original Triangle Out and the best possible Sine Out 
> > > that
> > > > can be achieved. You could even fit two of them onto a 4HP panel.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Adam-V
> > >
> > > Good idea. This would not require to solder a module to install the
> > > modification. And every user could decide if he wants a better sine 
> > > or not.
> > > But it would be more expensive than the internal modifications 
> > > because it's
> > > mostly the mechanics (front panel, sockets, potentiometers and 
> > > knobs) that
> > > is responible for the price of a module. The internal modification 
> > > would be
> > > in the Euro 10-20 range, whereas the prise of the module version 
> > > would be at
> > > least in the Euro 50 range for a dual tri-to-sine converter.
> > >
> > > Best wishes
> > > Dieter Doepfer
> > >
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On 12/4/08 11:54 AM, "James Husted" <ersatzplanet@mac.com> wrote:

> Dieter-
> Looks like he also made a "Euro" version that has multiple PCB's and

Yup, Ken said that was made for Elby Designs to be released as part of the
Panther series. Probably the same as the Metalbox in frac.
Also, there's the new one from The Harvestman coming out very soon:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2356&highlight=

So soon there will be, potentially, 3 Matrix Mixers in Euro. Weird, I know I
requested it years ago... and now I can have three!! hmmmm....
-p

> allows the polarity switching on each output column individually which
> is even more useful at the expense of extra switches of course.
> 
> http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs33_matrix_mixer_euro.html
> 
> -James
> 
> On Dec 4, 2008, at 11:42 AM, James Husted wrote:
> 
>> Dieter-
>> Ken Stone's Matrix mixer does the inversion thing without the multi-
>> taped center terminal pots. His design is shown here:
>> http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs33_matrix_mixer.html
>

I would have thought that, assuming the correct triangle amplitude was
applied, it shouldn't matter what the source of the waveform was. I
base this on a quick look at Tim's schematic and associate blurb and
am happy to be corrected if I am wrong.

Cheers,
Adam-V
--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "laryn91" <caymus91@...> wrote:
>
> Sounds good in theory but the external tri-to-sine most probably not
perform well. The 
> converters will have calibrated by the user to *each* specific
oscillator triangle wave 
> patched in. I doubt most would bother pull out the module, hook up a
scope trim the 
> calibration pots every time they patch a new wave!
> 
> Making a tri-to-buzzy-sine external converter is more practical sine
it requires NO 
> calibration to make the conversion. This way you can get even get
this buzzy wave with 
> other vendors oscillators (Plan-B, Z0, ASys).
> 
> And it frees Doepfer to make higher quality oscillators without
complaints from the small 
> band who use this crappy "sine"  wave.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Adam-V" <adam-v@> wrote:
> >
> > The other bonus would be the ability to patch in oscillators other
> > than the A110/111.
> > 
> > For those not wanting to add modules for this purpose perhaps both
> > types of conversion could be offered on the oscillator board itself
> > with a user selectable link to pre-set whichever version of sine is
> > required? I wouldn't think it would add that much more to the cost of
> > the module to do this would it?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Adam-V
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > nice idea!
> > > 
> > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > > www. DiN. org. uk
> > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > > Athens - Greece
> > > 
> > > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, James Husted <ersatzplanet@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: James Husted <ersatzplanet@>
> > > Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new
> > ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
> > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:30 PM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This would be a good solution because I would imagine you can plug 
> > > other waveforms than a triangle to get odd shaped waves for
outputs. 
> > > Would that work too?
> > > -James
> > > 
> > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:55 AM, yahoo@doepfer. de wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > How about a basic triangle to sine wave shaper module? It
could have
> > > > > Triangle In, Original Triangle Out and the best possible
Sine Out 
> > > > that
> > > > > can be achieved. You could even fit two of them onto a 4HP
panel.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Adam-V
> > > >
> > > > Good idea. This would not require to solder a module to
install the
> > > > modification. And every user could decide if he wants a better
sine 
> > > > or not.
> > > > But it would be more expensive than the internal modifications 
> > > > because it's
> > > > mostly the mechanics (front panel, sockets, potentiometers and 
> > > > knobs) that
> > > > is responible for the price of a module. The internal
modification 

> > > > would be
> > > > in the Euro 10-20 range, whereas the prise of the module version 
> > > > would be at
> > > > least in the Euro 50 range for a dual tri-to-sine converter.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes
> > > > Dieter Doepfer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > 
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> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>

Since one of the waves in my MiniWave has a sine, you'd think that could be used as a 
decent sine output. The trouble is every VCO produces a slightly different waveform. I can 
only calibrate the MiniWave for *one* VCO or LFO - if I patch another one, the sine is 
audibly distorted.

Because the Doepfer oscillators are NOT calibrated (P-P amplitude and DC offset) to 
exactly match each other, a quality sine converter will need to be calibrated to each 
specific triangle wave. Otherwise we're back to the annoying buzzy sines again...



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Adam-V" <adam-v@...> wrote:

>
> I would have thought that, assuming the correct triangle amplitude was
> applied, it shouldn't matter what the source of the waveform was. I
> base this on a quick look at Tim's schematic and associate blurb and
> am happy to be corrected if I am wrong.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adam-V
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "laryn91" <caymus91@> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds good in theory but the external tri-to-sine most probably not
> perform well. The 
> > converters will have calibrated by the user to *each* specific
> oscillator triangle wave 
> > patched in. I doubt most would bother pull out the module, hook up a
> scope trim the 
> > calibration pots every time they patch a new wave!
> > 
> > Making a tri-to-buzzy-sine external converter is more practical sine
> it requires NO 
> > calibration to make the conversion. This way you can get even get
> this buzzy wave with 
> > other vendors oscillators (Plan-B, Z0, ASys).
> > 
> > And it frees Doepfer to make higher quality oscillators without
> complaints from the small 
> > band who use this crappy "sine"  wave.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Adam-V" <adam-v@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The other bonus would be the ability to patch in oscillators other
> > > than the A110/111.
> > > 
> > > For those not wanting to add modules for this purpose perhaps both
> > > types of conversion could be offered on the oscillator board itself
> > > with a user selectable link to pre-set whichever version of sine is
> > > required? I wouldn't think it would add that much more to the cost of
> > > the module to do this would it?
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > Adam-V
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros
> > > <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > nice idea!
> > > > 
> > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> > > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> > > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> > > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> > > > www. DiN. org. uk
> > > > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> > > > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> > > > www. rubberrecords. gr
> > > > Athens - Greece
> > > > 
> > > > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, James Husted <ersatzplanet@> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > From: James Husted <ersatzplanet@>
> > > > Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new
> > > ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
> > > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:30 PM
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > This would be a good solution because I would imagine you can plug 
> > > > other waveforms than a triangle to get odd shaped waves for
> outputs. 
> > > > Would that work too?
> > > > -James
> > > > 
> > > > On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:55 AM, yahoo@doepfer. de wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > How about a basic triangle to sine wave shaper module? It
> could have
> > > > > > Triangle In, Original Triangle Out and the best possible
> Sine Out 
> > > > > that
> > > > > > can be achieved. You could even fit two of them onto a 4HP
> panel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Adam-V
> > > > >
> > > > > Good idea. This would not require to solder a module to
> install the
> > > > > modification. And every user could decide if he wants a better
> sine 
> > > > > or not.
> > > > > But it would be more expensive than the internal modifications 
> > > > > because it's
> > > > > mostly the mechanics (front panel, sockets, potentiometers and 
> > > > > knobs) that
> > > > > is responible for the price of a module. The internal
> modification 
> > > > > would be
> > > > > in the Euro 10-20 range, whereas the prise of the module version 
> > > > > would be at
> > > > > least in the Euro 50 range for a dual tri-to-sine converter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best wishes
> > > > > Dieter Doepfer
> > > > >
> > > > >
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ok, idea noted!


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Thu, 12/4/08, ysinollaysi <ysinollaysi@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: ysinollaysi <ysinollaysi@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 6:33 PM






I don't need anything fancy... I know this can be done with several
modules and that cwejman has planned this kind of module. But I would
buy it from Dieter.

3-way crossover / frequency splitter:
-input
-two pots for manual crossover frequency control and two inputs for cv
control.
-three outputs for low / mid / high freqs.
that's it

More and less crossover points means more and less pots, cv ins,
outputs. 2-way needs only 1 in, 1 pot, 1 cv in, 2 outs. 4-way will
need 1 in, 3 pots, 3 cv ins, 4 outs etc.

Someone more technically oriented can suggest nice add-ons...

--- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, Bakis Sirros
<synth_freak_ 2000@...> wrote:
>
> more details for such a module?
>  
> i'll make a poll for it, just need a few more details on features...
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
> 
> --- On Thu, 12/4/08, ysinollaysi <ysinollaysi@ ...> wrote:
> 
> From: ysinollaysi <ysinollaysi@ ...>
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for
future Doepfer A100 module
> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 11:58 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to have a low cost, vc controlled, single or dual, 2 or 3 
> or 4 way crossover module, thank you very much.
> 
> (I know there is a A-106-6 filter module)
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> 3-way crossover / frequency splitter:
myself and others have been asking for this and the matrix mixer for years!
but maybe there's not a huge interest... I assume that's why they haven't
been made.?? Regardless, both seem like simple, yet important/useful things
to me.

James,

you find my answers written inline.

Best regards
Dieter Doepfer
Doepfer Musikelektronik GmbH
hardware@doepfer.de
__________________________________________________________________

Doepfer Musikelektronik GmbH
based in Graefelfing/Germany
registered in Munich/Germany, commercial registry HRB 97 399
CEO's: Sibille Heller, Dieter Doepfer
European VAT ID No. DE129329318
website: www.doepfer.com
__________________________________________________________________

> Dieter-
> Ken Stone's Matrix mixer does the inversion thing without the multi-
> taped center terminal pots. His design is shown here:
> http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs33_matrix_mixer.html
>
> He has a switch to turn it from normal (off-on) to Bi-polar (full
> inverted-off-full non inverted) which is very nice.

yes, I know this principle (including the diodes that generate a "zero
plateau", the same principle is used in the A-174 Joy Stick module)

> You may be able to avoid the expensive pots my using some of his ideas (in
your own
> circuit of course). Maybe a taper can be found that would leave a wide
> "off" zone and then no detent would be needed either (especially if
> the mode can be switched from bi-polar to normal - the detent would be
> odd in the normal mode)

I think it will be more difficult to find a potentiometer with such a
special taper than a potentiometer with center detent and terminal. And it
would be odd to have a dead zone in the normal mode. But I think it's a good
idea to have the unipolar/bipolar switch available even with the drawbacks
in bipolar mode because of the missing center detent/terminal. Thank you for
this hint. I think we will start with a unipolar module (maybe with a switch
for unipolar/bipolar mode) and then release later the bipolar version with
the special potentiometers.

> I was wrong about the Buchla 205 - Looking at the schematics it
> appears to not do the inverting bit. That is a very nice function but
> if the cost/availability
> of the pots is a problem, the "normal" version is still quite usefull.
> -james

Please can people start behaving with some respect?

This relates to the infuriating sine wave thread too.

This is a COMMUNITY and therefore contains people with all different 
opinions and different values. It's childish and offensive to assume 
that your idea of what is "crappy" is shared by everyone, just as 
your ideas of what is useful or not are universal. Different people 
are even free to use different tools to do the same job, and this 
should be respected.

It is often helpful to hear people's opinions, but it is not helpful 
to hear people's opinions about things which they have little 
objective knowledge or experience. Making claims about what other 
people do or want, or how many people do this or don't like that etc 
should only be done when evidence is available. It's crazy to be, on 
the one hand, trying to have a technical discussion, and on the 
other, to have to filter such a discussion to remove emotive and 
unverifiable statements about personal preferences, prejudice, and 
dogma.

This community is, or should be, a valuable knowledge base, as well 
as being a useful resource for Dieter and other manufacturers, DIYers 
and synthesists, but, in my opinion, this value is being seriously 
diluted/damaged by the attitudes and comments of a small number of 
individuals on this list.

I'm not advocating banning people - everyone's views are valid and I 
would prefer to include everyone - but it would be wonderful if 
people would take a bit of social responsibility and leave out all 
the petty, personal, evangelical, childish, comments. People are 
welcome here, those kind of comments are not.

How about a poll for that?

sean


>Sounds good in theory but the external tri-to-sine most probably not 
>perform well. The
>converters will have calibrated by the user to *each* specific 
>oscillator triangle wave
>patched in. I doubt most would bother pull out the module, hook up a 
>scope trim the
>calibration pots every time they patch a new wave!
>
>Making a tri-to-buzzy-sine external converter is more practical sine 
>it requires NO
>calibration to make the conversion. This way you can get even get 
>this buzzy wave with
>other vendors oscillators (Plan-B, Z0, ASys).
>
>And it frees Doepfer to make higher quality oscillators without 
>complaints from the small
>band who use this crappy "sine" wave.
>
>--- In 
><mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, 
>"Adam-V" <adam-v@...> wrote:
>>
>>  The other bonus would be the ability to patch in oscillators other
>>  than the A110/111.
>>
>>  For those not wanting to add modules for this purpose perhaps both
>>  types of conversion could be offered on the oscillator board itself
>>  with a user selectable link to pre-set whichever version of sine is
>>  required? I wouldn't think it would add that much more to the cost of
>>  the module to do this would it?
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>  Adam-V
>>
>>  --- In 
>><mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, 
>>Bakis Sirros
>>  <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > nice idea!
>>  >
>>  > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>>  > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>>  > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>>  > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>>  > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>>  > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>>  > www. DiN. org. uk
>>  > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>>  > www. shimarecords. co. uk
>>  > www. rubberrecords. gr
>>  > Athens - Greece
>>  >
>>  > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, James Husted <ersatzplanet@> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > From: James Husted <ersatzplanet@>
>>  > Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new
>>  ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
>>  > To: <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>>  > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:30 PM
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > This would be a good solution because I would imagine you can plug
>>  > other waveforms than a triangle to get odd shaped waves for outputs.
>>  > Would that work too?
>  > > -James
>>  >
>>  > On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:55 AM, yahoo@doepfer. de wrote:
>>  >
>>  > > > How about a basic triangle to sine wave shaper module? It could have
>>  > > > Triangle In, Original Triangle Out and the best possible Sine Out
>>  > > that
>>  > > > can be achieved. You could even fit two of them onto a 4HP panel.
>>  > > >
>>  > > > Cheers,
>>  > > > Adam-V
>>  > >
>>  > > Good idea. This would not require to solder a module to install the
>>  > > modification. And every user could decide if he wants a better sine
>>  > > or not.
>>  > > But it would be more expensive than the internal modifications
>>  > > because it's
>>  > > mostly the mechanics (front panel, sockets, potentiometers and
>>  > > knobs) that
>>  > > is responible for the price of a module. The internal modification
>>  > > would be
>>  > > in the Euro 10-20 range, whereas the prise of the module version
>>  > > would be at
>>  > > least in the Euro 50 range for a dual tri-to-sine converter.
>>  > >
>>  > > Best wishes
>>  > > Dieter Doepfer
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  >
>>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>


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You make a plea for everyone to treat each other with respect - then the very next thing 
you  do is call others "childish", "infuriating", "offensive". I guess "everyone" doesn't 
include yourself huh?

So I don't like the buzzy sine wave, so what's wrong posting that opinion? Are you 
suggesting we shouldn't be allowed to any opinion on this site? Or are you suggesting only 
post opinions that you agree with? 

I don't know if you noticed, your entire post is filled with your *persona*l opinions and I'm 
not offended.

Lighten up!




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Sean Williams <sean@...> wrote:
>
> Please can people start behaving with some respect?
> 
> This relates to the infuriating sine wave thread too.
> 
> This is a COMMUNITY and therefore contains people with all different 
> opinions and different values. It's childish and offensive to assume 
> that your idea of what is "crappy" is shared by everyone, just as 
> your ideas of what is useful or not are universal. Different people 
> are even free to use different tools to do the same job, and this 
> should be respected.
> 
> It is often helpful to hear people's opinions, but it is not helpful 
> to hear people's opinions about things which they have little 
> objective knowledge or experience. Making claims about what other 
> people do or want, or how many people do this or don't like that etc 
> should only be done when evidence is available. It's crazy to be, on 
> the one hand, trying to have a technical discussion, and on the 
> other, to have to filter such a discussion to remove emotive and 
> unverifiable statements about personal preferences, prejudice, and 
> dogma.
> 
> This community is, or should be, a valuable knowledge base, as well 
> as being a useful resource for Dieter and other manufacturers, DIYers 
> and synthesists, but, in my opinion, this value is being seriously 
> diluted/damaged by the attitudes and comments of a small number of 
> individuals on this list.
> 
> I'm not advocating banning people - everyone's views are valid and I 
> would prefer to include everyone - but it would be wonderful if 
> people would take a bit of social responsibility and leave out all 
> the petty, personal, evangelical, childish, comments. People are 
> welcome here, those kind of comments are not.
> 
> How about a poll for that?
> 
> sean
> 
> 
> >Sounds good in theory but the external tri-to-sine most probably not 
> >perform well. The
> >converters will have calibrated by the user to *each* specific 
> >oscillator triangle wave
> >patched in. I doubt most would bother pull out the module, hook up a 
> >scope trim the
> >calibration pots every time they patch a new wave!
> >
> >Making a tri-to-buzzy-sine external converter is more practical sine 
> >it requires NO
> >calibration to make the conversion. This way you can get even get 
> >this buzzy wave with
> >other vendors oscillators (Plan-B, Z0, ASys).
> >
> >And it frees Doepfer to make higher quality oscillators without 
> >complaints from the small
> >band who use this crappy "sine" wave.
> >
> >--- In 
> ><mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, 
> >"Adam-V" <adam-v@> wrote:
> >>
> >>  The other bonus would be the ability to patch in oscillators other
> >>  than the A110/111.
> >>
> >>  For those not wanting to add modules for this purpose perhaps both
> >>  types of conversion could be offered on the oscillator board itself
> >>  with a user selectable link to pre-set whichever version of sine is
> >>  required? I wouldn't think it would add that much more to the cost of
> >>  the module to do this would it?
> >>
> >>  Cheers,
> >>  Adam-V
> >>
> >>  --- In 
> >><mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, 
> >>Bakis Sirros
> >>  <synth_freak_2000@> wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  > nice idea!
> >>  >
> >>  > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> >>  > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> >>  > www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> >>  > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> >>  > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> >>  > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> >>  > www. DiN. org. uk
> >>  > www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> >>  > www. shimarecords. co. uk
> >>  > www. rubberrecords. gr
> >>  > Athens - Greece
> >>  >
> >>  > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, James Husted <ersatzplanet@> wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  > From: James Husted <ersatzplanet@>
> >>  > Subject: Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new
> >>  ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
> >>  > To: 
<mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com

> >>  > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:30 PM
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > This would be a good solution because I would imagine you can plug
> >>  > other waveforms than a triangle to get odd shaped waves for outputs.
> >>  > Would that work too?
> >  > > -James
> >>  >
> >>  > On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:55 AM, yahoo@doepfer. de wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  > > > How about a basic triangle to sine wave shaper module? It could have
> >>  > > > Triangle In, Original Triangle Out and the best possible Sine Out
> >>  > > that
> >>  > > > can be achieved. You could even fit two of them onto a 4HP panel.
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > Cheers,
> >>  > > > Adam-V
> >>  > >
> >>  > > Good idea. This would not require to solder a module to install the
> >>  > > modification. And every user could decide if he wants a better sine
> >>  > > or not.
> >>  > > But it would be more expensive than the internal modifications
> >>  > > because it's
> >>  > > mostly the mechanics (front panel, sockets, potentiometers and
> >>  > > knobs) that
> >>  > > is responible for the price of a module. The internal modification
> >>  > > would be
> >>  > > in the Euro 10-20 range, whereas the prise of the module version
> >>  > > would be at
> >>  > > least in the Euro 50 range for a dual tri-to-sine converter.
> >>  > >
> >>  > > Best wishes
> >>  > > Dieter Doepfer
> >>  > >
> >>  > >
> >>  > >
> >>  >
> >>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>  >
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> >
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> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I forgot to mention the preliminary info page of the A-138m Matrix mixer:

www.doepfer.de/a138m

So far there is no link to this page available. 

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

very nice!!

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

From: yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de>
Subject: AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 module
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:30 PM






I forgot to mention the preliminary info page of the A-138m Matrix mixer:

www.doepfer. de/a138m

So far there is no link to this page available. 

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
 














      

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If you want batter specs, buy a more expensive VCO. You've made your
decision. Both of you.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "laryn91" <caymus91@...> wrote:
>
> You make a plea for everyone to treat each other with respect - then
the very next thing 
> you  do is call others "childish", "infuriating", "offensive". I
guess "everyone" doesn't 
> include yourself huh?
> 
> So I don't like the buzzy sine wave, so what's wrong posting that
opinion? Are you 
> suggesting we shouldn't be allowed to any opinion on this site? Or
are you suggesting only 
> post opinions that you agree with? 
> 
> I don't know if you noticed, your entire post is filled with your
*persona*l opinions and I'm 

> not offended.
> 
> Lighten up!
> 
> 
>

If you want this endless sine thread to die, I suggest simply stop feeding it instead of 
commanding others to what you think they should do.

No feeding = no replies. Make sense?


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "edgard_varese" <decho3@...> wrote:

>
> If you want batter specs, buy a more expensive VCO. You've made your
> decision. Both of you.
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "laryn91" <caymus91@> wrote:
> >
> > You make a plea for everyone to treat each other with respect - then
> the very next thing 
> > you  do is call others "childish", "infuriating", "offensive". I
> guess "everyone" doesn't 
> > include yourself huh?
> > 
> > So I don't like the buzzy sine wave, so what's wrong posting that
> opinion? Are you 
> > suggesting we shouldn't be allowed to any opinion on this site? Or
> are you suggesting only 
> > post opinions that you agree with? 
> > 
> > I don't know if you noticed, your entire post is filled with your
> *persona*l opinions and I'm 
> > not offended.
> > 
> > Lighten up!
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Oh yeah, perhaps the rest of the group will finally get the message
that this is fruitless. Your cries of hypocrisy are simply too absurd
to let go. Scores of group members have attempted to end it with
constructive suggestions, but they have been met with arrogance and
whines of victimization. There are answers available for those who
want cleaner sines. They are not commands. Do what you will, including
following this up with the final word. Oblivious + abrasive = troll.
Make sense?

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "laryn91" <caymus91@...> wrote:
>
> If you want this endless sine thread to die, I suggest simply stop
feeding it instead of 

> commanding others to what you think they should do.
> 
> No feeding = no replies. Make sense?
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "edgard_varese" <decho3@> wrote:
> >
> > If you want batter specs, buy a more expensive VCO. You've made your
> > decision. Both of you.
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "laryn91" <caymus91@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You make a plea for everyone to treat each other with respect - then
> > the very next thing 
> > > you  do is call others "childish", "infuriating", "offensive". I
> > guess "everyone" doesn't 
> > > include yourself huh?
> > > 
> > > So I don't like the buzzy sine wave, so what's wrong posting that
> > opinion? Are you 
> > > suggesting we shouldn't be allowed to any opinion on this site? Or
> > are you suggesting only 
> > > post opinions that you agree with? 
> > > 
> > > I don't know if you noticed, your entire post is filled with your
> > *persona*l opinions and I'm 
> > > not offended.
> > > 
> > > Lighten up!
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

You shouldn't get all worked up and angry over someone's contrary opinion about sine 
waves. This thread is getting pretty silly now...



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@...> 
wrote:

>
> To my knowledge, and I have been on this list since 2003, everyone always
> behaved very kind and nice on this list.Ever since these sinewave-whiners
> stuff started roughing up. Go figure.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:16 PM, edgard_varese <decho3@...> wrote:
> 
> >   Oh yeah, perhaps the rest of the group will finally get the message
> > that this is fruitless. Your cries of hypocrisy are simply too absurd
> > to let go. Scores of group members have attempted to end it with
> > constructive suggestions, but they have been met with arrogance and
> > whines of victimization. There are answers available for those who
> > want cleaner sines. They are not commands. Do what you will, including
> > following this up with the final word. Oblivious + abrasive = troll.
> > Make sense?
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "laryn91" <caymus91@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you want this endless sine thread to die, I suggest simply stop
> > feeding it instead of
> > > commanding others to what you think they should do.
> > >
> > > No feeding = no replies. Make sense?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "edgard_varese" <decho3@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you want batter specs, buy a more expensive VCO. You've made your
> > > > decision. Both of you.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "laryn91" <caymus91@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You make a plea for everyone to treat each other with respect - then
> > > > the very next thing
> > > > > you do is call others "childish", "infuriating", "offensive". I
> > > > guess "everyone" doesn't
> > > > > include yourself huh?
> > > > >
> > > > > So I don't like the buzzy sine wave, so what's wrong posting that
> > > > opinion? Are you
> > > > > suggesting we shouldn't be allowed to any opinion on this site? Or
> > > > are you suggesting only
> > > > > post opinions that you agree with?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know if you noticed, your entire post is filled with your
> > > > *persona*l opinions and I'm
> > > > > not offended.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lighten up!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

To my knowledge, and I have been on this list since 2003, everyone always
behaved very kind and nice on this list.Ever since these sinewave-whiners
stuff started roughing up. Go figure.



On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:16 PM, edgard_varese <decho3@hotmail.com> wrote:

>   Oh yeah, perhaps the rest of the group will finally get the message
> that this is fruitless. Your cries of hypocrisy are simply too absurd
> to let go. Scores of group members have attempted to end it with
> constructive suggestions, but they have been met with arrogance and
> whines of victimization. There are answers available for those who
> want cleaner sines. They are not commands. Do what you will, including
> following this up with the final word. Oblivious + abrasive = troll.
> Make sense?
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "laryn91" <caymus91@...> wrote:
> >
> > If you want this endless sine thread to die, I suggest simply stop
> feeding it instead of
> > commanding others to what you think they should do.
> >
> > No feeding = no replies. Make sense?
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "edgard_varese" <decho3@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you want batter specs, buy a more expensive VCO. You've made your
> > > decision. Both of you.
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "laryn91" <caymus91@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You make a plea for everyone to treat each other with respect - then
> > > the very next thing
> > > > you do is call others "childish", "infuriating", "offensive". I
> > > guess "everyone" doesn't
> > > > include yourself huh?
> > > >
> > > > So I don't like the buzzy sine wave, so what's wrong posting that
> > > opinion? Are you
> > > > suggesting we shouldn't be allowed to any opinion on this site? Or
> > > are you suggesting only
> > > > post opinions that you agree with?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if you noticed, your entire post is filled with your
> > > *persona*l opinions and I'm
> > > > not offended.
> > > >
> > > > Lighten up!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Glad you say so yourself.
:D

/stops feeding the trolls


On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:25 PM, laryn91 <caymus91@mac.com> wrote:

>   You shouldn't get all worked up and angry over someone's contrary
> opinion about sine
> waves. This thread is getting pretty silly now...
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > To my knowledge, and I have been on this list since 2003, everyone always
> > behaved very kind and nice on this list.Ever since these sinewave-whiners
> > stuff started roughing up. Go figure.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:16 PM, edgard_varese <decho3@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Oh yeah, perhaps the rest of the group will finally get the message
> > > that this is fruitless. Your cries of hypocrisy are simply too absurd
> > > to let go. Scores of group members have attempted to end it with
> > > constructive suggestions, but they have been met with arrogance and
> > > whines of victimization. There are answers available for those who
> > > want cleaner sines. They are not commands. Do what you will, including
> > > following this up with the final word. Oblivious + abrasive = troll.
> > > Make sense?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com><Doepfer_a100%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "laryn91" <caymus91@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you want this endless sine thread to die, I suggest simply stop
> > > feeding it instead of
> > > > commanding others to what you think they should do.
> > > >
> > > > No feeding = no replies. Make sense?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com><Doepfer_a100%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "edgard_varese" <decho3@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want batter specs, buy a more expensive VCO. You've made
> your
> > > > > decision. Both of you.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com<Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com><Doepfer_a100%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "laryn91" <caymus91@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You make a plea for everyone to treat each other with respect -
> then
> > > > > the very next thing
> > > > > > you do is call others "childish", "infuriating", "offensive". I
> > > > > guess "everyone" doesn't
> > > > > > include yourself huh?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I don't like the buzzy sine wave, so what's wrong posting that
> > > > > opinion? Are you
> > > > > > suggesting we shouldn't be allowed to any opinion on this site?
> Or
> > > > > are you suggesting only
> > > > > > post opinions that you agree with?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know if you noticed, your entire post is filled with your
> > > > > *persona*l opinions and I'm
> > > > > > not offended.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lighten up!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

indeed. 
so, please, let's stop this sine discussion and talk about something else, ok?
 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote:

From: achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 mod
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:59 PM






To my knowledge, and I have been on this list since 2003, everyone always
behaved very kind and nice on this list.Ever since these sinewave-whiners
stuff started roughing up. Go figure.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:16 PM, edgard_varese <decho3@hotmail. com> wrote:

> Oh yeah, perhaps the rest of the group will finally get the message
> that this is fruitless. Your cries of hypocrisy are simply too absurd
> to let go. Scores of group members have attempted to end it with
> constructive suggestions, but they have been met with arrogance and
> whines of victimization. There are answers available for those who
> want cleaner sines. They are not commands. Do what you will, including
> following this up with the final word. Oblivious + abrasive = troll.
> Make sense?
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com <Doepfer_a100% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> "laryn91" <caymus91@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > If you want this endless sine thread to die, I suggest simply stop
> feeding it instead of
> > commanding others to what you think they should do.
> >
> > No feeding = no replies. Make sense?
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com <Doepfer_a100% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> "edgard_varese" <decho3@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you want batter specs, buy a more expensive VCO. You've made your
> > > decision. Both of you.
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com <Doepfer_a100% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> "laryn91" <caymus91@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You make a plea for everyone to treat each other with respect - then
> > > the very next thing
> > > > you do is call others "childish", "infuriating" , "offensive". I
> > > guess "everyone" doesn't
> > > > include yourself huh?
> > > >
> > > > So I don't like the buzzy sine wave, so what's wrong posting that
> > > opinion? Are you
> > > > suggesting we shouldn't be allowed to any opinion on this site? Or
> > > are you suggesting only
> > > > post opinions that you agree with?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if you noticed, your entire post is filled with your
> > > *persona*l opinions and I'm
> > > > not offended.
> > > >
> > > > Lighten up!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> 
>

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My wishlist.

- Better push-buttons for A-164-1 Manual Gate. 

- Some old modules re-designed for less HP or for more useful 
features. As an example, A-163 Voltage Controlled Frequency Divider 
takes 8HP. Using only 6HP it might be possible to have functions of 
Serge Divide by 'N' Comparator (NCOM) module (2 knobs and 6 jacks). 
There would still be room for a third knob, which could be assigned 
for the dividing factor CV attenuation or for comparator gap.

- A module with similar funtions to Serge Smooth and Stepped 
Generator (SSG). Maybe Bananalogue will make one: "Bananalogue 
Synthesizers will be back soon with new gear and a new website. Stay 
tuned!"

- Exponential to linear, linear to exponential converters.

...


Does anyone else have problems reading these longer threads? I 
use "Group by Topic" view and see, that there should be 43 messages 
in this thread. However, when I go to read them, only 29 are 
available. "Prev" or "Next" links don't work. There are other 
inconveniences too with Yahoo forums.

If the redesign of the A163 happens, adding a AC coupled/DC coupled switch
would maybe be nice?
I am, like most others here I guess, using Gmail for the mailinglist that
makes it ok.


greetings,

Ernst




On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:01 PM, jalmari3 <jari.jokinen@netikka.fi> wrote:

>   My wishlist.
>
> - Better push-buttons for A-164-1 Manual Gate.
>
> - Some old modules re-designed for less HP or for more useful
> features. As an example, A-163 Voltage Controlled Frequency Divider
> takes 8HP. Using only 6HP it might be possible to have functions of
> Serge Divide by 'N' Comparator (NCOM) module (2 knobs and 6 jacks).
> There would still be room for a third knob, which could be assigned
> for the dividing factor CV attenuation or for comparator gap.
>
> - A module with similar funtions to Serge Smooth and Stepped
> Generator (SSG). Maybe Bananalogue will make one: "Bananalogue
> Synthesizers will be back soon with new gear and a new website. Stay
> tuned!"
>
> - Exponential to linear, linear to exponential converters.
>
> ...
>
> Does anyone else have problems reading these longer threads? I
> use "Group by Topic" view and see, that there should be 43 messages
> in this thread. However, when I go to read them, only 29 are
> available. "Prev" or "Next" links don't work. There are other
> inconveniences too with Yahoo forums.
>
>  
>


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As you may already know, A-163 can be modified for DC-coupling. I 
wonder, what is the use of (input or output?) AC-coupling here?

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, achtung_999 
<heinrich.himmelwasser@...> wrote:
>
> If the redesign of the A163 happens, adding a AC coupled/DC coupled 
switch
> would maybe be nice?
> I am, like most others here I guess, using Gmail for the 
mailinglist that
> makes it ok.
> 
> 
> greetings,
> 
> Ernst
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:01 PM, jalmari3 <jari.jokinen@...> wrote:
> 
> >   My wishlist.
> >
> > - Better push-buttons for A-164-1 Manual Gate.
> >
> > - Some old modules re-designed for less HP or for more useful
> > features. As an example, A-163 Voltage Controlled Frequency 
Divider
> > takes 8HP. Using only 6HP it might be possible to have functions 
of
> > Serge Divide by 'N' Comparator (NCOM) module (2 knobs and 6 
jacks).
> > There would still be room for a third knob, which could be 
assigned
> > for the dividing factor CV attenuation or for comparator gap.
> >
> > - A module with similar funtions to Serge Smooth and Stepped
> > Generator (SSG). Maybe Bananalogue will make one: "Bananalogue
> > Synthesizers will be back soon with new gear and a new website. 
Stay
> > tuned!"
> >
> > - Exponential to linear, linear to exponential converters.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Does anyone else have problems reading these longer threads? I
> > use "Group by Topic" view and see, that there should be 43 
messages

> > in this thread. However, when I go to read them, only 29 are
> > available. "Prev" or "Next" links don't work. There are other
> > inconveniences too with Yahoo forums.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> I forgot to mention the preliminary info page of the A-138m Matrix
mixer:
> 
> www.doepfer.de/a138m
> 
> So far there is no link to this page available. 
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>


hello list!

thanks for this information! i am looking forward a matrix mixer to
integrate  it in my modular live setup :)

imo a 4x4 matrix is for most applications sufficient (eg mixing the
outs of the quad modules or 2 dual modules...).

hence, it would be more convenient to use a slightly modified front
panel layout: 
i suggest a "matrix design" of the ins and outs, ie using the inputs
on the left and the outputs on the bottom (fifth row). alternatively,
the ins can be placed on the bottom (or top) row and the outs on the
right, depending on whether the switches for polarity (next to the
outs) fit in a vertical or horizontal line...
it would be cheaper (16 instead of 25 pots) and in particular much
more clear in a live context and more compact (i think 20te will do it)...

any further suggestions?!

kind regards,
andreas

I have no problems with the 5X5 layout myself and more rows/columns  
the better for me but one thing that would be a very good feature to  
make sure it has is an internal header for a ribbon cable to link/ 
chain the first units inputs to multiple units, nomalized to the next  
units inputs. This would allow 5x10 (4x8), 5x15 (4x12) etc arrays. The  
normalizing would allow breaking the rows and would be very flexible.  
Slap a couple of A-182's along side of them and you have a killer live  
performance platform.
-James

On Dec 14, 2008, at 8:46 AM, andreas wrote:

> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to mention the preliminary info page of the A-138m Matrix
> mixer:
> >
> > www.doepfer.de/a138m
> >
> > So far there is no link to this page available.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
> hello list!
>
> thanks for this information! i am looking forward a matrix mixer to
> integrate it in my modular live setup :)
>
> imo a 4x4 matrix is for most applications sufficient (eg mixing the
> outs of the quad modules or 2 dual modules...).
>
> hence, it would be more convenient to use a slightly modified front
> panel layout:
> i suggest a "matrix design" of the ins and outs, ie using the inputs
> on the left and the outputs on the bottom (fifth row). alternatively,
> the ins can be placed on the bottom (or top) row and the outs on the
> right, depending on whether the switches for polarity (next to the
> outs) fit in a vertical or horizontal line...
> it would be cheaper (16 instead of 25 pots) and in particular much
> more clear in a live context and more compact (i think 20te will do  
> it)...
>
> any further suggestions?!
>
> kind regards,
> andreas
>
>
> 



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--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, James Husted <ersatzplanet@...>
wrote:
>
> I have no problems with the 5X5 layout myself and more rows/columns  
> the better for me but one thing that would be a very good feature to  
> make sure it has is an internal header for a ribbon cable to link/ 
> chain the first units inputs to multiple units, nomalized to the next  
> units inputs. This would allow 5x10 (4x8), 5x15 (4x12) etc arrays. The  
> normalizing would allow breaking the rows and would be very flexible.  
> Slap a couple of A-182's along side of them and you have a killer live  
> performance platform.
> -James

yes - this is a good idea! maybe mr. doepfer could design a modular
matrix mixer with a 4te input module (eg with 4 inputs) and 16te units
with 2 outputs and the ability of chaining them together:
eg: 1xinput +  nxoutput= 4x2n matrix

so you are able to upgrade the matrix mixer to one needs easily.
i would just prefer a 4x4 matrix with a straightforward matrix design
(pots in the crossoints of every in/out combination) because in a live
situation i don't want to think about routing within the matrix...

regards,
andreas

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
> 
> Please look at the revised page of the A-138m. We have a 4x4 version
> suggested too and will probably manufacture this version.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

perfect - i really like the straight forward and compact 4x4 design! 

moreover, a normalized dc-voltage of the 1st input would be very handy
(as implemented in the polarizing mixer a138c) for easy baseline shifts...

regards,
andreas

> hello list!
>
> thanks for this information! i am looking forward a matrix mixer to
> integrate  it in my modular live setup :)
>
> imo a 4x4 matrix is for most applications sufficient (eg mixing the
> outs of the quad modules or 2 dual modules...).
>
> hence, it would be more convenient to use a slightly modified front
> panel layout:
> i suggest a "matrix design" of the ins and outs, ie using the inputs
> on the left and the outputs on the bottom (fifth row). alternatively,
> the ins can be placed on the bottom (or top) row and the outs on the
> right, depending on whether the switches for polarity (next to the
> outs) fit in a vertical or horizontal line...
> it would be cheaper (16 instead of 25 pots) and in particular much
> more clear in a live context and more compact (i think 20te will do it)...
>
> any further suggestions?!
>
> kind regards,
> andreas

Please look at the revised page of the A-138m. We have a 4x4 version
suggested too and will probably manufacture this version.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> moreover, a normalized dc-voltage of the 1st input would be very handy
> (as implemented in the polarizing mixer a138c) for easy baseline shifts...

Should be no problem (maybe with a jumper to turn this feature on/off).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Would it be possible to get more rows and columns in, or to keep the 
size down using the type of potentiometer that they use in the Zvex 
Ooh-Wah and Seek-Wah? I know that smaller knobs are more fiddly, but 
with 'set and forget' stuff, it could be useful...

If not, then I definitely prefer the 4x4 layout. It seems to be a lot 
clearer and intuitive.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> > hello list!
> >
> > thanks for this information! i am looking forward a matrix mixer 
to
> > integrate  it in my modular live setup :)
> >
> > imo a 4x4 matrix is for most applications sufficient (eg mixing 
the
> > outs of the quad modules or 2 dual modules...).
> >
> > hence, it would be more convenient to use a slightly modified 
front
> > panel layout:
> > i suggest a "matrix design" of the ins and outs, ie using the 
inputs
> > on the left and the outputs on the bottom (fifth row). 
alternatively,
> > the ins can be placed on the bottom (or top) row and the outs on 
the
> > right, depending on whether the switches for polarity (next to the
> > outs) fit in a vertical or horizontal line...
> > it would be cheaper (16 instead of 25 pots) and in particular much
> > more clear in a live context and more compact (i think 20te will 
do it)...

> >
> > any further suggestions?!
> >
> > kind regards,
> > andreas
> 
> Please look at the revised page of the A-138m. We have a 4x4 version
> suggested too and will probably manufacture this version.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

yes, that would be great! Dieter?

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, andreas <rechner7@ymail.com> wrote:

From: andreas <rechner7@ymail.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 mod
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 12:40 PM






--- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, <yahoo@...> wrote:
> 
> Please look at the revised page of the A-138m. We have a 4x4 version
> suggested too and will probably manufacture this version.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

perfect - i really like the straight forward and compact 4x4 design! 

moreover, a normalized dc-voltage of the 1st input would be very handy
(as implemented in the polarizing mixer a138c) for easy baseline shifts...

regards,
andreas

 














      

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yes!

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

--- On Mon, 12/15/08, yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

From: yahoo@doepfer.de <yahoo@doepfer.de>
Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for future Doepfer A100 mod
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 12:51 PM






> moreover, a normalized dc-voltage of the 1st input would be very handy
> (as implemented in the polarizing mixer a138c) for easy baseline shifts...

Should be no problem (maybe with a jumper to turn this feature on/off).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

 














      

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> Would it be possible to get more rows and columns in, or to keep the
> size down using the type of potentiometer that they use in the Zvex
> Ooh-Wah and Seek-Wah? I know that smaller knobs are more fiddly, but
> with 'set and forget' stuff, it could be useful...

(Nearly) everything's possible :-)

I'm not sure if the A-100 users want to see another type of knobs and
another distance between the knobs (the standard distance is now 20.32 mm or
8"). I think we should keep the appearance of the A-100 modules but if the
majority of the users wants to see smaller knobs and distances we could
change this for some of the new modules like the matrix mixer. But I know
some A-100 users who have already minor problems with the existing distance
between the knobs.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

For something like the Matrix mixer, I don't mind smaller knobs.
 
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Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Let me hear your bright new ideas for
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> Would it be possible to get more rows and columns in, or to keep the
> size down using the type of potentiometer that they use in the Zvex
> Ooh-Wah and Seek-Wah? I know that smaller knobs are more fiddly, but
> with 'set and forget' stuff, it could be useful...

(Nearly) everything's possible :-)

I'm not sure if the A-100 users want to see another type of knobs and
another distance between the knobs (the standard distance is now 20.32
mm or
8"). I think we should keep the appearance of the A-100 modules but if
the
majority of the users wants to see smaller knobs and distances we could
change this for some of the new modules like the matrix mixer. But I
know
some A-100 users who have already minor problems with the existing
distance
between the knobs.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer



 


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