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> On 30 Dec 2017, at 09:53, Jonathan jss9h@aol.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. Almost Happy (Christian) New Year. I bought myself a pair of the new multicore modules as a Xmas treat (how incredibly useful in a large system Dieter - amazing that no-one has thought of it before). I have a very odd problem - The modules link perfectly with the cables supplied but they are only very short. When I try any other network cables however nothing seems to connect. I have checked the cables by linking my laptop to the router and that works fine, but I get no connections at all when I use them between the A180-9s. One of them is 1m long and two are 3m. Any suggestions please?
> Jonathan
> From my iPad Air
>

> Op 30 dec. 2017 om 11:31 heeft Neil Kagan nkagan@mac.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Do they use a cat5e or cat6 cable? The connector will be the same. 
> 
> 
> Neil
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 09:53, Jonathan jss9h@aol.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Hi everyone. Almost Happy (Christian) New Year. I bought myself a pair of the new multicore modules as a Xmas treat (how incredibly useful in a large system Dieter - amazing that no-one has thought of it before). I have a very odd problem - The modules link perfectly with the cables supplied but they are only very short. When I try any other network cables however nothing seems to connect. I have checked the cables by linking my laptop to the router and that works fine, but I get no connections at all when I use them between the A180-9s. One of them is 1m long and two are 3m. Any suggestions please?
>> Jonathan
>> From my iPad Air
> 
>

> On 30 Dec 2017, at 11:43, Jacco Ville jaccoville@yahoo.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Seems there are cross-cables also....
> 
> I’m not very familiar with CAT cables but when this module was introduced I took a small dive into this kind of connections because the provided cable is a bit short. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my IPhone.. 
> 
>> Op 30 dec. 2017 om 11:31 heeft Neil Kagan nkagan@mac.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>  
>> Do they use a cat5e or cat6 cable? The connector will be the same. 
>> 
>> 
>> Neil
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 09:53, Jonathan jss9h@aol.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Hi everyone. Almost Happy (Christian) New Year. I bought myself a pair of the new multicore modules as a Xmas treat (how incredibly useful in a large system Dieter - amazing that no-one has thought of it before). I have a very odd problem - The modules link perfectly with the cables supplied but they are only very short. When I try any other network cables however nothing seems to connect. I have checked the cables by linking my laptop to the router and that works fine, but I get no connections at all when I use them between the A180-9s. One of them is 1m long and two are 3m. Any suggestions please?
>>> Jonathan
>>> From my iPad Air
>> 
> 
>

> On 30 Dec 2017, at 09:53, Jonathan jss9h@aol.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. Almost Happy (Christian) New Year. I bought myself a pair of the new multicore modules as a Xmas treat (how incredibly useful in a large system Dieter - amazing that no-one has thought of it before). I have a very odd problem - The modules link perfectly with the cables supplied but they are only very short. When I try any other network cables however nothing seems to connect. I have checked the cables by linking my laptop to the router and that works fine, but I get no connections at all when I use them between the A180-9s. One of them is 1m long and two are 3m. Any suggestions please?
> Jonathan
> From my iPad Air
> 
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> On 30 Dec 2017, at 10:31, Neil Kagan nkagan@mac.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> 
> 
> Do they use a cat5e or cat6 cable? The connector will be the same. 
> 
> Neil
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 09:53, Jonathan jss9h@aol.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone. Almost Happy (Christian) New Year. I bought myself a pair of the new multicore modules as a Xmas treat (how incredibly useful in a large system Dieter - amazing that no-one has thought of it before). I have a very odd problem - The modules link perfectly with the cables supplied but they are only very short. When I try any other network cables however nothing seems to connect. I have checked the cables by linking my laptop to the router and that works fine, but I get no connections at all when I use them between the A180-9s. One of them is 1m long and two are 3m. Any suggestions please?
>> Jonathan
>> From my iPad Air
> 
> 
>

> On 30 Dec 2017, at 12:08, Neil Kagan nkagan@mac.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> 
> Does that mean they’ve been wired to US or Euro standard? I’m no expert but we recent had a nightmare installing cctv at work and found the reason was the installers wired some com ports with the US standard so a couple of wires are reversed. 
> 
> Neil
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 11:43, Jacco Ville jaccoville@yahoo.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Seems there are cross-cables also....
>> 
>> I’m not very familiar with CAT cables but when this module was introduced I took a small dive into this kind of connections because the provided cable is a bit short. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone.. 
>> 
>>> Op 30 dec. 2017 om 11:31 heeft Neil Kagan nkagan@mac.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Do they use a cat5e or cat6 cable? The connector will be the same. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Neil
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 09:53, Jonathan jss9h@aol.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Hi everyone. Almost Happy (Christian) New Year. I bought myself a pair of the new multicore modules as a Xmas treat (how incredibly useful in a large system Dieter - amazing that no-one has thought of it before). I have a very odd problem - The modules link perfectly with the cables supplied but they are only very short. When I try any other network cables however nothing seems to connect. I have checked the cables by linking my laptop to the router and that works fine, but I get no connections at all when I use them between the A180-9s. One of them is 1m long and two are 3m. Any suggestions please?
>>>> Jonathan
>>>> From my iPad Air
>>> 
>> 
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> On 30 Dec 2017, at 12:31, Jonathan jss9h@aol.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Neil
> 
> Thanks for your response. Please see my next posting as I have solved the problem - it was the nylon washers.
> My understanding is that cat 5 and cat 6 cables are exactly the same electrically, just have slightly different impedances to accomodate higher network speeds for cat 6. At modular speeds there will be no effective difference.
> Best wishes
> Jonathan
> From my iPad Air
> 
>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 10:31, Neil Kagan nkagan@mac.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Do they use a cat5e or cat6 cable? The connector will be the same. 
>> 
>> Neil
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 09:53, Jonathan jss9h@aol.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Hi everyone. Almost Happy (Christian) New Year. I bought myself a pair of the new multicore modules as a Xmas treat (how incredibly useful in a large system Dieter - amazing that no-one has thought of it before). I have a very odd problem - The modules link perfectly with the cables supplied but they are only very short. When I try any other network cables however nothing seems to connect. I have checked the cables by linking my laptop to the router and that works fine, but I get no connections at all when I use them between the A180-9s. One of them is 1m long and two are 3m. Any suggestions please?
>>> Jonathan
>>> From my iPad Air
>> 
> 
>

Seems there are cross-cables also....

I’m not very familiar with CAT cables but when this module was introduced I took a small dive into this kind of connections because the provided cable is a bit short.

Sent from my IPhone.

Op 30 dec. 2017 om 11:31 heeft Neil Kagan nkagan@mac.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> het volgende geschreven:

Do they use a cat5e or cat6 cable? The connector will be the same.

Neil

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Dec 2017, at 09:53, Jonathan jss9h@aol.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi everyone. Almost Happy (Christian) New Year. I bought myself a pair of the new multicore modules as a Xmas treat (how incredibly useful in a large system Dieter - amazing that no-one has thought of it before). I have a very odd problem - The modules link perfectly with the cables supplied but they are only very short. When I try any other network cables however nothing seems to connect. I have checked the cables by linking my laptop to the router and that works fine, but I get no connections at all when I use them between the A180-9s. One of them is 1m long and two are 3m. Any suggestions please?
Jonathan
>From my iPad Air

> On 30 Dec 2017, at 22:12, Laurie elby_designs@ozemail.com.au [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Not related to this issue, but will there be a problem because of the use of twisted pairs? Couldn't patching a 'noisy' signal in the same pair as, say, a 1V/Octave for a VCO, or with an audio signal lead to possible issues?.
> 
> Also surprised that as an inter-system connector, that it does not provide a common ground connection
> 
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> 
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> On 30/12/2017 10:43 PM, Jacco Ville jaccoville@yahoo.com <mailto:jaccoville@yahoo.com> [Doepfer_a100] wrote:
>> Seems there are cross-cables also....
>> I’m not very familiar with CAT cables but when this module was introduced I took a small dive into this kind of connections because the provided cable is a bit short. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone. 
>> 
>> Op 30 dec. 2017 om 11:31 heeft Neil Kagan nkagan@mac.com <mailto:nkagan@mac.com> [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>>  
>>> Do they use a cat5e or cat6 cable? The connector will be the same. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Neil
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 30 Dec 2017, at 09:53, Jonathan jss9h@aol.com <mailto:jss9h@aol.com> [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Hi everyone. Almost Happy (Christian) New Year. I bought myself a pair of the new multicore modules as a Xmas treat (how incredibly useful in a large system Dieter - amazing that no-one has thought of it before). I have a very odd problem - The modules link perfectly with the cables supplied but they are only very short. When I try any other network cables however nothing seems to connect. I have checked the cables by linking my laptop to the router and that works fine, but I get no connections at all when I use them between the A180-9s. One of them is 1m long and two are 3m. Any suggestions please?
>>>> Jonathan
>>>> >From my iPad Air
>>>> 
>> 
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> 
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> On Dec 30, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Laurie elby_designs@ozemail.com.au [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Not related to this issue, but will there be a problem because of the use of twisted pairs? Couldn't patching a 'noisy' signal in the same pair as, say, a 1V/Octave for a VCO, or with an audio signal lead to possible issues?.
> 
> Also surprised that as an inter-system connector, that it does not provide a common ground connection
> Best Regards
> 
> Laurie Biddulph
> Mobile.......: +61 0400 257 645
> Phone.......: +61 02 4340 0938
> Skype.......: widgetoz
> 
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 30. Dezember 2017 23:13
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A180-9 multicore
>
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>
> Not related to this issue, but will there be a problem because of
> the use of twisted pairs? Couldn't patching a 'noisy' signal in
> the same pair as, say, a 1V/Octave for a VCO, or with an audio
> signal lead to possible issues?.
>
> Also surprised that as an inter-system connector, that it does
> not provide a common ground connection
>
> Best Regards
>
> Laurie Biddulph
> Mobile.......: +61 0400 257 645
> Phone.......: +61 02 4340 0938
> Skype.......: widgetoz
>
>
> ELBY Designs
> 9 Follan Close
> Kariong
> NSW 2250
> Australia
> ABN: 70 022 727 605
>  2017 - Year of the EuroSerge Rooster
>
> On 30/12/2017 10:43 PM, Jacco Ville jaccoville@yahoo.com
> [Doepfer_a100] wrote:
>
> Seems there are cross-cables also....
> I’m not very familiar with CAT cables but when this module was
> introduced I took a small dive into this kind of connections
> because the provided cable is a bit short.
>
>
>
> Sent from my IPhone.
>
> Op 30 dec. 2017 om 11:31 heeft Neil Kagan nkagan@mac.com
> [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> het volgende geschreven:
>
>
>
> Do they use a cat5e or cat6 cable? The connector will be the same.
>
>
> Neil
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 30 Dec 2017, at 09:53, Jonathan jss9h@aol.com [Doepfer_a100]
> <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi everyone. Almost Happy (Christian) New Year. I bought myself a
> pair of the new multicore modules as a Xmas treat (how incredibly
> useful in a large system Dieter - amazing that no-one has thought
> of it before). I have a very odd problem - The modules link
> perfectly with the cables supplied but they are only very short.
> When I try any other network cables however nothing seems to
> connect. I have checked the cables by linking my laptop to the
> router and that works fine, but I get no connections at all when
> I use them between the A180-9s. One of them is 1m long and two
> are 3m. Any suggestions please?
> Jonathan
> >From my iPad Air
>
>
>
>
>
>

On 2 Jan 2018, at 08:22, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>> Hi everyone. After a bit more research I have answered my own
>> question. There are 8 cores in a cat 5 cable, and Dieter has used
>> all of them in the module. That means there is no separate earth
>> connection. I use nylon washers so my A180-9s were not earthed,
>> consequently when I tested them in separate cases with an LED
>> plug, nothing happened. When I removed one washer from each
>> module so the panels were connected to earth via the mounting
>> rail and other modules in the case, everything worked fine.
>> Dieter, you may want to consider mentioning this in the product
>> description so that other people are aware who are not in the
>> Yahoo group.
>> Best wishes to all.
>> Jonathan
> 
> In the A-180-9 circuit the A-100 GND is connected to the shield of the RJ45
> sockets. For all network cables we tried the connections were fine and even
> GND was connected by means of the shield. To be on the safe side I measured
> some cables I had available and for all cables the shield was connected. I
> also cutted one of the cables and it contained 8 single wires plus the
> shield.
> 
> Maybe there are cables on the market where the shield is not connected. This
> could explain the behaviour you described.
> 
> I'll add the information on our website that cables have to be used where
> the shield is connected.
> 
> We could also add longer cables (e.g. 1m) as the price is nearly the same as
> for the 50cm cables. But a few live playing Eurorack users we asked
> recommended the 50 cm cable because longer cables are unfavorable for the
> typical connection of a base (e.g. A-100PB or A-100-PMB) and another case on
> top (e.g. A-100P9 or A-100PMS9).
> 
> Best regards and A Happy New Year to all
> Dieter Doepfer
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On 02/01/18 10:25, JS Home jss9h@aol.com [Doepfer_a100] wrote:
> Thanks Dieter. The cables I have are all fairly old so maybe they do not have the shield connected.
>
> Jonathan Shapero
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2 Jan 2018, at 08:22, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>> Hi everyone. After a bit more research I have answered my own
>>> question. There are 8 cores in a cat 5 cable, and Dieter has used
>>> all of them in the module. That means there is no separate earth
>>> connection. I use nylon washers so my A180-9s were not earthed,
>>> consequently when I tested them in separate cases with an LED
>>> plug, nothing happened. When I removed one washer from each
>>> module so the panels were connected to earth via the mounting
>>> rail and other modules in the case, everything worked fine.
>>> Dieter, you may want to consider mentioning this in the product
>>> description so that other people are aware who are not in the
>>> Yahoo group.
>>> Best wishes to all.
>>> Jonathan
>> In the A-180-9 circuit the A-100 GND is connected to the shield of the RJ45
>> sockets. For all network cables we tried the connections were fine and even
>> GND was connected by means of the shield. To be on the safe side I measured
>> some cables I had available and for all cables the shield was connected. I
>> also cutted one of the cables and it contained 8 single wires plus the
>> shield.
>>
>> Maybe there are cables on the market where the shield is not connected. This
>> could explain the behaviour you described.
>>
>> I'll add the information on our website that cables have to be used where
>> the shield is connected.
>>
>> We could also add longer cables (e.g. 1m) as the price is nearly the same as
>> for the 50cm cables. But a few live playing Eurorack users we asked
>> recommended the 50 cm cable because longer cables are unfavorable for the
>> typical connection of a base (e.g. A-100PB or A-100-PMB) and another case on
>> top (e.g. A-100P9 or A-100PMS9).
>>
>> Best regards and A Happy New Year to all
>> Dieter Doepfer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On 2 Jan 2018, at 15:26, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>> Most network cabling is UTP (Unshielded Twisted Pair), Shielded Twisted
>> Pair (STP) is not very common.
>> 
>> STP Cat6 (or Cat5e) is sometimes used in datacenters but I've not seen
>> it elsewhere.
>> 
>> Shielded RJ45 connectors have a metal cage, making it easy to recognise:
>> 
>> 
> https://rubimages-liberty.netdna-ssl.com/hi-res/RJ45-STP-L5E_connector_45deg
> ree.png
>> 
>> Martin
> 
> Thank's for the note.
> 
> I took a look at Wikipedia to learn a bit more about these cables. According
> to Wikipedia it's a bit more complicate and several types of these cables
> are available. One has to distingish between the common shield for all wires
> and the shields for each pair. The shield can be a metal foil (abbreviation
> F) or mesh wire (abbreviation S) or unshielded (abbreviation U). The
> character before the "/" identifies the type of common shield, the first
> character after the "/" identifies the type shield for the pairs of wires,
> e.g.
> 
> U/UTP: totally unshielded (not suitable for A-180-9)
> 
> S/UTP: common shield for all wires (mesh wire)
> U/FTP: separate shield (foil) for each pair, no common shield
> S/FTP: separate shield (foil) for each pair and common shield (mesh wire)
> F/FTP: separate shield (foil) for each pair and common shield (foil)
> 
> All network cables I could find here in Germany (CAT5 or CAT6) had a common
> shield. That's why was not aware that unshielded cables are available at
> all.
> 
> For the A-180-9 all cables with common shield are suitable (i.e. S/UTP,
> S/FTP, F/FTP and SF/FTP). Only U/UTP is not suitable for A-180-9. I'm not
> sure if U/FTP will work as it depends upon if and how the single shields are
> wired to the connectors.
> 
> Best whishes
> Dieter Doepfer
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