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VFX Transwave Sounds

VFX Transwave Sounds

2010-07-09 by Toby

Howdy

I recently got a replacement VFX-SD up and running after my original took a dump a year ago. Everything is working fine except that some of the sounds I programmed on the old VFX-SD as well as some of the stock sounds are not playing like I remember them. The Mega Piano patch is the worst. It sounds like a percussion patch. My question: Are there some chips I need to swap out with my old VFX or am I stuck with this problem. Most of the sounds are fine and I swapped all the sequencer chips which is what I wanted the VFX to do in the first place, but I sure miss the Mega Piano sound, especially the piano patch with strings. 

Glad this group is still around because I still love my VFX and I've got plans to get it "hooked up" to the PC so I can share some of my sounds.

Thanks - Toby

Re: VFX Transwave Sounds

2010-07-09 by Bill Tomlinson

Did you but your first VFXsd new? I seem to remember Ensoniq offering an 'upgrade kit' to make the VFXsd into  (nearly) an SD-1. If your first was upgraded then you may need to move the chips. I can offer no more help...never seen one. Just that my stock VFXsd has no mega piano waves.

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX Transwave Sounds

2010-07-09 by jammie

the maga piano waves is the extended rom of the sd if your first vfx had the upgrade to the sd1 status as said then it would of had the extended rom so you would need to add the extended rom sounds chip to get the required sounds the upgrade would have also had the 2 rom os chips of the sd1 also so you would need to cange them also you need to look on the os chips for the revision of os and the rom wave chips for there revision this will
let you know whats in both machines
it might be that your new synth has the standard rom set and that when you are using the sysex for your old synth it substitutes the rom sounds for the 1,s that are missing
its also the same for the sq1 series the sq2+ and the sq1+32 and ks88 and ks32 have the extended roms where as the sq1 sq2 have the stanfdard roms so when you pitch the same preset via sysex it substitutes the sounds with others so the sound is different to the 1,s with the extra rom waves
ensoniq did this alot with there synths and as the synths became later revisions they had les of the rom sets of the last series the sq1 retained most of the vfx transwaves but the ts 10 recieved even less of the trans waves
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Did you but your first VFXsd new? I seem to remember Ensoniq offering an 'upgrade kit' to make the VFXsd into (nearly) an SD-1. If your first was upgraded then you may need to move the chips. I can offer no more help...never seen one. Just that my stock VFXsd has no mega piano waves.


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Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX Transwave Sounds

2010-07-12 by Toby Brown

Thanks. I do remember being told that it was upgraded but I thought they were talking about just the sequencer memory. Does anyone know which chips I need to move and/or where on the board they are located?


--- On Fri, 7/9/10, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
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From: jammie <jammie.emma@...>
Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX Transwave Sounds
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 4:21 PM


  




the maga piano waves is the extended rom of the sd if your first vfx had the upgrade to the sd1 status as said then it would of had the extended rom so you would need to add the extended rom sounds chip to get the required sounds the upgrade would have also had the 2 rom os chips of the sd1 also so you would need to cange them also you need to look on the os chips for the revision of os and the rom wave chips for there revision this will 
 
let you know whats in both machines
 
it might be that your new synth has the standard rom set and that when you are using the sysex for your old synth it substitutes the rom sounds for the 1,s that are missing
 
its also the same for the sq1 series the sq2+ and the sq1+32 and ks88 and ks32 have the extended roms where as the sq1 sq2 have the stanfdard roms so when you pitch the same preset via sysex it substitutes the sounds with others so the sound is different to the 1,s with the extra rom waves
 
ensoniq did this alot with there synths and as the synths became later revisions they had les of the rom sets of the last series the sq1 retained most of the vfx transwaves but the ts 10 recieved even less of the trans waves

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bill Tomlinson 
To: Ensoniq-VFX- SD@yahoogroups. com 
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:48 PM
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX- SD] Re: VFX Transwave Sounds

  



Did you but your first VFXsd new? I seem to remember Ensoniq offering an 'upgrade kit' to make the VFXsd into (nearly) an SD-1. If your first was upgraded then you may need to move the chips. I can offer no more help...never seen one. Just that my stock VFXsd has no mega piano waves.






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Re: VFX Transwave Sounds

2010-08-03 by eightiescrisis

I have the same issue with many of the patches loaded from "the lot" found in the files section.  

Some patches play a fast sequenced percussion loop when I strike the keys

I always thought these were for the SD-1, or the VFX SD2......

Anyways - yes is there a chip to make these work on the VFX-SD?

-80's

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, Toby Brown <tobybrown@...> wrote:
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> Thanks. I do remember being told that it was upgraded but I thought they were talking about just the sequencer memory. Does anyone know which chips I need to move and/or where on the board they are located?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/9/10, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: jammie <jammie.emma@...>
> Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX Transwave Sounds
> To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 4:21 PM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> the maga piano waves is the extended rom of the sd if your first vfx had the upgrade to the sd1 status as said then it would of had the extended rom so you would need to add the extended rom sounds chip to get the required sounds the upgrade would have also had the 2 rom os chips of the sd1 also so you would need to cange them also you need to look on the os chips for the revision of os and the rom wave chips for there revision this will 
> Â 
> let you know whats in both machines
> Â 
> it might be that your new synth has the standard rom set and that when you are using the sysex for your old synth it substitutes the rom sounds for the 1,s that are missing
> Â 
> its also the same for the sq1 series the sq2+ and the sq1+32 and ks88 and ks32 have the extended roms where as the sq1 sq2 have the stanfdard roms so when you pitch the same preset via sysex it substitutes the sounds with others so the sound is different to the 1,s with the extra rom waves
> Â 
> ensoniq did this alot with there synths and as the synths became later revisions they had les of the rom sets of the last series the sq1 retained most of the vfx transwaves but the ts 10 recieved even less of the trans waves
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Bill Tomlinson 
> To: Ensoniq-VFX- SD@yahoogroups. com 
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:48 PM
> Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX- SD] Re: VFX Transwave Sounds
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> Did you but your first VFXsd new? I seem to remember Ensoniq offering an 'upgrade kit' to make the VFXsd into (nearly) an SD-1. If your first was upgraded then you may need to move the chips. I can offer no more help...never seen one. Just that my stock VFXsd has no mega piano waves.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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>

Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX Transwave Sounds

2010-08-03 by Will Robinson

Sounds as if you are listening to the "allwaves" sample. The board you are using 
cannot reconcile which wavesample should be used so has substituted this one by 
default. If the name of the sound is PIANO XXX, then maybe placing one of the 
samples from the appropriate bank will help, as the Envelopes are  most likely 
set for that sound type. Experiment with any type of sample, you may be 
surprised...





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From: eightiescrisis <eightiescrisis@...>
To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 2:27:13 AM
Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX Transwave Sounds

  
I have the same issue with many of the patches loaded from "the lot" found in 
the files section. 


Some patches play a fast sequenced percussion loop when I strike the keys

I always thought these were for the SD-1, or the VFX SD2......

Anyways - yes is there a chip to make these work on the VFX-SD?

-80's

--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, Toby Brown <tobybrown@...> wrote:
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>
> Thanks. I do remember being told that it was upgraded but I thought they were 
>talking about just the sequencer memory. Does anyone know which chips I need to 
>move and/or where on the board they are located?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/9/10, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: jammie <jammie.emma@...>
> Subject: Re: [Ensoniq-VFX-SD] Re: VFX Transwave Sounds
> To: Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 4:21 PM
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> the maga piano waves is the extended rom of the sd if your first vfx had the 
>upgrade to the sd1 status as said then it would of had the extended rom so you 
>would need to add the extended rom sounds chip to get the required sounds the 
>upgrade would have also had the 2 rom os chips of the sd1 also so you would need 
>to cange them also you need to look on the os chips for the revision of os and 
>the rom wave chips for there revision this will 
>
> Â 
> let you know whats in both machines
> Â 
> it might be that your new synth has the standard rom set and that when you are 
>using the sysex for your old synth it substitutes the rom sounds for the 1,s 
>that are missing
> Â 
> its also the same for the sq1 series the sq2+ and the sq1+32 and ks88 and ks32 
>have the extended roms where as the sq1 sq2 have the stanfdard roms so when you 
>pitch the same preset via sysex it substitutes the sounds with others so the 
>sound is different to the 1,s with the extra rom waves
> Â 
> ensoniq did this alot with there synths and as the synths became later 
>revisions they had les of the rom sets of the last series the sq1 retained most 
>of the vfx transwaves but the ts 10 recieved even less of the trans waves
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Bill Tomlinson 
> To: Ensoniq-VFX- SD@yahoogroups. com 
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:48 PM
> Subject: [Ensoniq-VFX- SD] Re: VFX Transwave Sounds
> 
> Â  
> 
> 
> 
> Did you but your first VFXsd new? I seem to remember Ensoniq offering an 
>'upgrade kit' to make the VFXsd into (nearly) an SD-1. If your first was 
>upgraded then you may need to move the chips. I can offer no more help...never 
>seen one. Just that my stock VFXsd has no mega piano waves.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2990 - Release Date: 07/08/10 
>18:36:00
>

Re: VFX Transwave Sounds

2010-08-04 by Roger Campbell

Hi folks

YUP, (being the uploader of "TheLot"), the patch library was specific to the SD-1. Whilst at least 80/90 percent will play on the earlier models (I started collecting when I had a VFX), some of the patches are SD-1 wavesamples only, and on the other synths in the family, unpredictable results are guaranteed!!

I would never try and repair the faulty patches that use the samples that the earlier synths don't contain, just ditch them and move on. The piano (particularly these days) is a prime example of the Ensoniq trying to do what it's not best at. I have all the latest VST'i's and a very big expensive Yamaha Motiv with all the extras added. But NOTHING beats the expressiveness of the Ensoniq polykey after-touch on it's UNBEATABLE Oboe patch, (as just one example).

- Speaking of that Motiv Yamaha keyboard, Gosh-Darn (and that showed remarkable restraint don't you think???) I really wish the Yamaha was as friendly to use as the SD-1!!

(Yamaha HATED me saying that when I worked for them, I can tell you).

I have never and will never use the sequencer in the Motiv. The SD-1 wins hands down.



Just imagine if they re-released the SD-1 with everything exactly the same except the resolution of the outputs DAC's and a resampled wavetable????

Sigh, one can dream.....

cheers

Chuck (not my real height).

Re: VFX Transwave Sounds

2010-08-04 by eightiescrisis

hey chuck

really want to thank you for "the lot"  it has provided me many late night hours of enjoyment with my vfx sd!

and i agree about the motif.  tried to replace my vfx with it, and seriously the friendliness of the vfx wins out!


thanks again for all the great patches!





--- In Ensoniq-VFX-SD@yahoogroups.com, Roger Campbell <roger17@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi folks
> 
> YUP, (being the uploader of "TheLot"), the patch library was specific to 
> the SD-1. Whilst at least 80/90 percent will play on the earlier models 
> (I started collecting when I had a  VFX), some of the patches are SD-1 
> wavesamples only, and on the other synths in the family, unpredictable 
> results are guaranteed!!
> 
> I would never try and repair the faulty patches that use the samples 
> that the earlier synths don't contain, just ditch them and move on. The 
> piano (particularly these days) is a prime example of the Ensoniq trying 
> to do what it's not best at.  I have all the latest VST'i's and a very 
> big expensive Yamaha Motiv with all the extras added. But NOTHING beats 
> the expressiveness of the Ensoniq polykey after-touch on it's UNBEATABLE 
> Oboe patch, (as just one example).
> 
> - Speaking of that Motiv Yamaha keyboard, Gosh-Darn (and that showed 
> remarkable restraint don't you think???) I really wish the Yamaha was as 
> friendly to use as the SD-1!!
> 
> (Yamaha HATED me saying that when I worked for them, I can tell you).
> 
> I /*have never and will never*/ use the sequencer in the Motiv. The SD-1 
> wins hands down.
> 
> 
> 
> Just imagine if they re-released the SD-1 with everything exactly the 
> same except the resolution of the outputs DAC's and a resampled 
> wavetable????
> 
> Sigh, one can dream.....
> 
> cheers
> 
> Chuck (not my real height).
>

Re: VFX Transwave Sounds

2010-08-06 by Roger Campbell

Hi Again,

Funny coincidence that. I made that mistake too.

Having bought a Motiv 7 with two expansion cards, expanded ram, - added 
a scsi rom and hard drive, I thought, there's NO WAY I'll ever need an 
SD-1 anymore, and so I sold it!

D'Oh.

I sold my first SD-1 when I ran out of money a few years back - fair 
enough, unavoidable.
I replaced when I could.

1 sold that second SD-1 when I bought the Motiv, (I mean why keep the 
old Mustang when you just bought a new Ferrari?) - Dumb Dumb Dumb.
You keep it coz the Mustang will get you WHERE-EVER you need to be with 
no fuss, and it'll still be heaps of fun.

The Motiv sequencer is so unfriendly as to be unusable, (as we agreed 
above) but EVERY other part of the device is driven from menus hidden 
inside other menus, that are SOOOOO unintuitive and SOOOOO very small, 
and, and, and, - oh just forget it!!!!  And it's not that I can't be 
bothered learning new gear. When the first Yamaha DM2000 digital desk 
arrived in this country for a trade show, we unpacked it, plugged it in, 
and (being the prototype - no owners manual!!!), I was demonstrating the 
thing at the show when it opened 20 minutes later. I mastered the desk 
in 15 minutes.  Not trying to brag, just pointing out that technology 
doesn't scare me, just BAD technology.

On the SD-12 one if you want one patch to be played with another, just 
double click on the second one's name button, and you are playing two 
patches.
HOW SIMPLE AND BRILLIANT IS THAT!!!!!!!!!!??????????

To combine two patches on the Motiv is possible, but I think I studied 
less to get my drivers license!!!!

So after a couple of years of searching, I bought my third SD-1. And 
this one you can try and pry from my cold dead hands in you want to give 
it a shot!!
But get this. I paid $175 US for an SD-1 32 voice from it's original 
owner, with original packaging completely intact, all manuals, disks, 
two years copies of Transonic hacker, Gleiber software - everything!!! 
MINT!!! WA-HOOOOooo......

Just love the damn thing. (um I guess you worked that out maybe.......)

cheers

Chuck (not my real hair)

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