QTR-Quadtone RIP

Hello - I recently purchsed a Epson 1430. When I print with QTR and Eboni-6 I get banding at the beginning and end of the print. When I print with the Epson driver I do not have this problem. I have been using QTR and MIS inks for many years with my R1800 and never had this happen before.
Any ideas??
Bernard

The 1430 requires you to have at least a one inch margin on the leading edge going into the printer.


I'm told that the 1430, which I use and had the same problem, has firmware that prevents QTR from managing this issue.  My banding issues were eliminated as soon as I started using the one inch margin.


I'm not a techie so if I got something wrong, I hope somebody will correct me.




Mark Sloane
(775) 276 - 5315




 
 
 


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On Tue, 6/13/17, Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding
 To: "QTR-Forum" <quadtonerip@yahoogroups.com>
 Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 6:08 PM


  

 








       Hello - I
 recently purchsed a Epson 1430. When I print with QTR and
 Eboni-6 I get banding at the beginning and end of the print.
 When I print with the Epson driver I do not have this

 problem. I have been using QTR and MIS inks for many years
 with my R1800 and never had this happen before.
 Any
 ideas??
 Bernard
   

 







 #yiv3547732227 #yiv3547732227 --

Ditto hère

Envoyé de mon iTruc

> Le 13 juin 2017 à 21:25, mark sloane marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
> 
> The 1430 requires you to have at least a one inch margin on the leading edge going into the printer.  
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> I'm told that the 1430, which I use and had the same problem, has firmware that prevents QTR from managing this issue.  My banding issues were eliminated as soon as I started using the one inch margin.
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> I'm not a techie so if I got something wrong, I hope somebody will correct me.
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> Mark Sloane 
> (775) 276 - 5315
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> On Tue, 6/13/17, Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@yahoo.ca [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding
> To: "QTR-Forum" <quadtonerip@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 6:08 PM
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have you ever tried the epson driver, plain paper, grayscale settings...very nice BW and totally neutral. (1430) 


-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques Caron jacques.caron@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
To: mark sloane marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 13, 2017 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding



  
    
                  
Ditto hère

Envoyé de mon iTruc

> Le 13 juin 2017 à 21:25, mark sloane marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
> 
> The 1430 requires you to have at least a one inch margin on the leading edge going into the printer.  
> 
> 
> I'm told that the 1430, which I use and had the same problem, has firmware that prevents QTR from managing this issue.  My banding issues were eliminated as soon as I started using the one inch margin.
> 
> 
> I'm not a techie so if I got something wrong, I hope somebody will correct me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Sloane 
> (775) 276 - 5315
> 
> 
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> On Tue, 6/13/17, Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding
> To: "QTR-Forum" <quadtonerip@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 6:08 PM
> 
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>

I had seen this 1 inch margin discussion befor but hoped there was a better solution. If there really is a problem using QTR with the 1430 why is this printer being recommended by Paul Roark? I based my purchase soley on this recommendation and will not bevery happy to have such a work around needed. The epson driver works quit well although as others have noted has less detail in the lighter areas. I really want to use this machine with QTR and all of the controls available. Has Mr. Roark ever responded to this issue?
Bernard  

    On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:04 PM, "Jacques Caron jacques.caron@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

     Ditto hère

Envoyé de mon iTruc

> Le 13 juin 2017 à 21:25, mark sloane marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
> 
> The 1430 requires you to have at least a one inch margin on the leading edge going into the printer. 
> 
> 
> I'm told that the 1430, which I use and had the same problem, has firmware that prevents QTR from managing this issue. My banding issues were eliminated as soon as I started using the one inch margin.
> 
> 
> I'm not a techie so if I got something wrong, I hope somebody will correct me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Sloane 
> (775) 276 - 5315
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> On Tue, 6/13/17, Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding
> To: "QTR-Forum" <quadtonerip@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 6:08 PM
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What a PITA! 

    On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:28 AM, "brian_downunda@yahoo.com [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

     This has been discussed before, many times. A summary here, including a work-around for those who can be bothered:
http://www.cyberhalides.com/piezography-printing/microbanding-and-gloss-printing-issues-with-qtr/

I did just try that setting and it is not bad but quit rough compared to QTR. It might be OK for test prints and then do the "walk around" with QTR for anything important.  

    On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:10 PM, "MYoung4828@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

     have you ever tried the epson driver, plain paper, grayscale settings...very nice BW and totally neutral. (1430) 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques Caron jacques.caron@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
To: mark sloane marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 13, 2017 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding

    Ditto hère

Envoyé de mon iTruc

> Le 13 juin 2017 à 21:25, mark sloane marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
> 
> The 1430 requires you to have at least a one inch margin on the leading edge going into the printer. 
> 
> 
> I'm told that the 1430, which I use and had the same problem, has firmware that prevents QTR from managing this issue. My banding issues were eliminated as soon as I started using the one inch margin.
> 
> 
> I'm not a techie so if I got something wrong, I hope somebody will correct me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Sloane 
> (775) 276 - 5315
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/13/17, Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding
> To: "QTR-Forum" <quadtonerip@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 6:08 PM
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Bernard, 

I would recommend this printer as well.  

In fact I usually have at least one or two new printers in storage just in case Epson discontinues them.  At the current price they are essentially disposable printers!  

The print quality is excellent and they are very inexpensive.  The one inch margin issue is a small price to pay when you consider the benefits of this printer IMHO.


Mark Sloane 
(775) 276 - 5315


 
 
 

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On Wed, 6/14/17, Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding
 To: "QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
 Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017, 4:01 AM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       I had seen
 this 1 inch margin discussion befor but hoped there was a
 better solution. If there really is a problem using QTR with
 the 1430 why is this printer being recommended by Paul
 Roark? I based my purchase soley on this recommendation and
 will not bevery happy to have such a work around needed. The
 epson driver works quit well although as others have noted
 has less detail in the lighter areas. I really want to use
 this machine with QTR and all of the controls available. Has
 Mr. Roark ever responded to this issue?
 Bernard 
 
 
     On Tuesday, June 13,
 2017 10:04 PM, "Jacques Caron
 jacques.caron@... [QuadtoneRIP]"
 <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   
 
  
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
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 > Le 13 juin 2017 à 21:25, mark sloane
 marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP]
 <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
 
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 > The 1430 requires you to have at least a one inch
 margin on the leading edge going into the printer.  
 
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 > I'm told that the 1430, which I use and had the
 same problem, has firmware that prevents QTR from managing
 this issue.  My banding issues were eliminated as soon as I
 started using the one inch margin.
 
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 > I'm not a techie so if I got something wrong, I
 hope somebody will correct me.
 
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 > Mark Sloane 
 
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 > On Tue, 6/13/17, Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@...
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 > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding
 
 > To: "QTR-Forum"
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 > Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 6:08 PM
 
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 #yiv4065405614 #yiv4065405614 --

Thanks for all the responces and recommendations. I paid $200.00 CAD for this refurbished unit and considering the OEM inks that came with it, it is indeed a throwaway! I want to buy a second as well perhaps for glossy and colour work but this banding issue bugs me. Once I get over this hurdle I will compare a big print with my R1800 and see which wins out. Glad I kept the 1800 though!
Bernard
514-695-1276 (Montreal). 

    On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 8:06 AM, "Jacques Caron jacques.caron@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

     Got me interested! I just tried it too (but "presentation mat paper" since "plain paper" is not available…).
Mr.Wolf is right, a bit rough and contrastier than QTR. I'm loosing a bit of detail in the "lights" and a I'm loosing a bit more in the "blacks. But the printing process is faster than QTR (must be the bi-directional printing).
But for me, since I always print with a margin of one inch or more, the banding is not a problem; and I could add that Mr.Roark recommendation for this printer is "right on the button" For the price, this is a very good printer working great with Eb6 and QTR.
Happy printing

Jacques CaronPhotographe
jacques.caron@...



Le 2017-06-14 à 07:43, "Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :



I did just try that setting and it is not bad but quit rough compared to QTR. It might be OK for test prints and then do the "walk around" with QTR for anything important. 

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:10 PM, "MYoung4828@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


have you ever tried the epson driver, plain paper, grayscale settings...very nice BW and totally neutral. (1430) 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques Caron jacques.caron@....ca [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
To: mark sloane marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 13, 2017 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding

 Ditto hère

Envoyé de mon iTruc

> Le 13 juin 2017 à 21:25, mark sloane marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
> 
> The 1430 requires you to have at least a one inch margin on the leading edge going into the printer. 
> 
> 
> I'm told that the 1430, which I use and had the same problem, has firmware that prevents QTR from managing this issue. My banding issues were eliminated as soon as I started using the one inch margin.
> 
> 
> I'm not a techie so if I got something wrong, I hope somebody will correct me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Sloane 
> (775) 276 - 5315
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/13/17, Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding
> To: "QTR-Forum" <quadtonerip@...m>
> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 6:08 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hello Mr.Caron.. so you are saying that just having a border "fixes" the problem? Will have to try that next.
Thanks
Bernard 

    On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 8:06 AM, "Jacques Caron jacques.caron@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

     Got me interested! I just tried it too (but "presentation mat paper" since "plain paper" is not available…).
Mr.Wolf is right, a bit rough and contrastier than QTR. I'm loosing a bit of detail in the "lights" and a I'm loosing a bit more in the "blacks. But the printing process is faster than QTR (must be the bi-directional printing).
But for me, since I always print with a margin of one inch or more, the banding is not a problem; and I could add that Mr.Roark recommendation for this printer is "right on the button" For the price, this is a very good printer working great with Eb6 and QTR.
Happy printing

Jacques CaronPhotographe
jacques.caron@...



Le 2017-06-14 à 07:43, "Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :



I did just try that setting and it is not bad but quit rough compared to QTR. It might be OK for test prints and then do the "walk around" with QTR for anything important. 

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:10 PM, "MYoung4828@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


have you ever tried the epson driver, plain paper, grayscale settings...very nice BW and totally neutral. (1430) 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques Caron jacques.caron@videotron.qc.ca [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
To: mark sloane marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 13, 2017 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding

 Ditto hère

Envoyé de mon iTruc

> Le 13 juin 2017 à 21:25, mark sloane marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :
> 
> The 1430 requires you to have at least a one inch margin on the leading edge going into the printer. 
> 
> 
> I'm told that the 1430, which I use and had the same problem, has firmware that prevents QTR from managing this issue. My banding issues were eliminated as soon as I started using the one inch margin.
> 
> 
> I'm not a techie so if I got something wrong, I hope somebody will correct me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Sloane 
> (775) 276 - 5315
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 6/13/17, Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding
> To: "QTR-Forum" <quadtonerip@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 6:08 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

I tried printing with QTR and a 1" border and it came out with no banding. If this is the solution I can live with that...   will need more prints to see if this is it!

Thanks Paul. In this day and age we do expect perfection, don't we !! 

    On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 1:50 PM, "Paul Roark roark.paul@... [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

     I think the 1400/1430's tendency to microband in the first and last 1 inch with QTR is fairly well documented on the forums and elsewhere.  It's a function, I believe, of less than perfect paper transport when only one of the paper transport rollers is engaged.  It's probably true of all of these printers, but it seems to show up more on the 1400 family, perhaps because of the small dot size.  The Epson driver apparently compensates for the less-than-perfect paper transport with a dithering algorithm that hides the problem.  QTR does not, at this point.  
Once aware of the characteristic of these printers, there are ways to avoid the issue.  I continue to think the 1400 family has been a very cost effective machine, but like most things, it's not perfect.   
Paulwww.PaulRoark.com 


On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:01 AM, Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     I had seen this 1 inch margin discussion befor but hoped there was a better solution. If there really is a problem using QTR with the 1430 why is this printer being recommended by Paul Roark? I based my purchase soley on this recommendation and will not bevery happy to have such a work around needed. The epson driver works quit well although as others have noted has less detail in the lighter areas. I really want to use this machine with QTR and all of the controls available. Has Mr. Roark ever responded to this issue?
Bernard  

    On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:04 PM, "Jacques Caron jacques.caron@videotron.qc.ca [QuadtoneRIP]" <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

     Ditto hère

Envoyé de mon iTruc

> Le 13 juin 2017 à 21:25, mark sloane marksuesloane@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@...m> a écrit :
> 
> The 1430 requires you to have at least a one inch margin on the leading edge going into the printer. 
> 
> 
> I'm told that the 1430, which I use and had the same problem, has firmware that prevents QTR from managing this issue. My banding issues were eliminated as soon as I started using the one inch margin.
> 
> 
> I'm not a techie so if I got something wrong, I hope somebody will correct me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Sloane 
> (775) 276 - 5315
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> On Tue, 6/13/17, Bernard Wolf brooksveriwide@... [QuadtoneRIP] <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Artisan 1430 w/QTR banding
> To: "QTR-Forum" <quadtonerip@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 6:08 PM
> 
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