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2006-01-26 by SteveZ
I'm doing some fund raising and the organization has asked me to make prints on semi-gloss or glossy paper. I normally use QTR with my Epson 2200/UC inks and print on matte papers, but I'm finding with gloss or semi gloss, the bronzing is quite an issue. Can anyone recommend a solution? I hear that MIS inks are much better for reduced bronzing on glossy media. Can anyone confirm this? What has your experience been?
2006-01-26 by Frederick Chang
how much are MIS inks? is it just cheaper to get the new epson inkset by purchasing a new printer? the new epson inkset is reported to do a marvelous job on printing on glossy. it seems like if you stick with UC inks + glossy papers, then bronzing is something you will have to deal with (i heard of people also spraying their glossy prints to reduce the bronzing) ...however on luster paper i found that bronzing wasn't really an issue, so maybe you can get away with luster? (or maybe glossy is a requirement for you?) cheers, fred SteveZ wrote:
> I'm doing some fund raising and the organization has asked me to make > prints on semi-gloss or glossy paper. I normally use QTR with my Epson > 2200/UC inks and print on matte papers, but I'm finding with gloss or > semi gloss, the bronzing is quite an issue. Can anyone recommend a > solution? I hear that MIS inks are much better for reduced bronzing on > glossy media. Can anyone confirm this? What has your experience been? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "QuadtoneRIP > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuadtoneRIP>" on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >
2006-01-26 by Alan Kearney
Can't speak to the ink question but I've tried Kodak Professional Instant Dry inkjet paper on my 4000 using UC inks and it out performs Epson papers, especially when it comes to bronzing. Their "Lustre" is very nice. I was able to get sample packs at http://www.kodak.com/go/proinkjet and phoning someone at Kodak just before the Christmas holidays. Alan
On Jan 26, 2006, at 8:17 AM, SteveZ wrote: > I'm doing some fund raising and the organization has asked me to make > prints on semi-gloss or glossy paper. I normally use QTR with my Epson > 2200/UC inks and print on matte papers, but I'm finding with gloss or > semi gloss, the bronzing is quite an issue. Can anyone recommend a > solution? I hear that MIS inks are much better for reduced bronzing on > glossy media. Can anyone confirm this? What has your experience been? > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "QuadtoneRIP" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >
2006-01-26 by Richard Corbett
The new K3 inks do not do a marvelous job of printing on glossy, the NanoChromes are vastly better. What the K3 inks do provide are very good B&W prints but the gloss leaves something to be desired, and then some. Richard
----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Chang" <frdchang@...> To: <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Need Advice with QTR/Inks > how much are MIS inks? > >> Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility > to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are > currently using to read this email. ] > > --- [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are currently using to read this email. ]
2006-01-26 by SteveZ
Fred, are you refering to the Epson 2400 with the new 3k inks? I hear that bronzing is less of an issue with this printer. MIS inks are actually cheaper than UC inks, I've never used them for gloss or semi gloss media and was wondering if they'd give me better results of if there is a gloss optimizer that comes with the set. --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Chang <frdchang@b...> wrote: > > how much are MIS inks? > > is it just cheaper to get the new epson inkset by purchasing a new printer? > > the new epson inkset is reported to do a marvelous job on printing on > glossy. > > it seems like if you stick with UC inks + glossy papers, then bronzing > is something you will have to deal with (i heard of people also spraying > their glossy prints to reduce the bronzing) ...however on luster paper i > found that bronzing wasn't really an issue, so maybe you can get away > with luster? (or maybe glossy is a requirement for you?) > > cheers, > fred > > SteveZ wrote: > > I'm doing some fund raising and the organization has asked me to make > > prints on semi-gloss or glossy paper. I normally use QTR with my Epson > > 2200/UC inks and print on matte papers, but I'm finding with gloss or > > semi gloss, the bronzing is quite an issue. Can anyone recommend a > > solution? I hear that MIS inks are much better for reduced bronzing on > > glossy media. Can anyone confirm this? What has your experience been? > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "QuadtoneRIP > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuadtoneRIP>" on the web. > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > > >
2006-01-26 by SteveZ
Richard, that's interesting...according to Epson, K3 inks eliminate bronzing and drastically minimize gloss differential. Have you used these inks on Glossy stock? Obviously I haven't but from what I have heard they do a pretty good job on glossy/semi gloss/lustre media. --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Corbett" <richard@r...> wrote: > > The new K3 inks do not do a marvelous job of printing on glossy, the > NanoChromes are vastly better. > > What the K3 inks do provide are very good B&W prints but the gloss leaves > something to be desired, and then some. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frederick Chang" <frdchang@b...> > To: <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [QuadtoneRIP] Need Advice with QTR/Inks > > > > how much are MIS inks? > > > > >> Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- -------- > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility > > to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are > > currently using to read this email. ] > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility > to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are > currently using to read this email. ] >
2006-01-26 by Frederick Chang
yup, i am refering to the new epson inks... versus the old ultrachromes that epson2200 uses. check out this review: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/silver-quick.shtml maybe it'll guide you on what is a good combination... i haven't tried the new epson inkset yet, but there are lots of good reviews...and i really wish to get more Dmax... my epson 2200 w. UC inks and epson matte paper gives me blocky shadows... (i only notice it because i traditionally print on fiber based paper) it could also be how i post process in photoshop as well... cheers, fred SteveZ wrote:
> Fred, are you refering to the Epson 2400 with the new 3k inks? I > hear that bronzing is less of an issue with this printer. > MIS inks are actually cheaper than UC inks, I've never used them for > gloss or semi gloss media and was wondering if they'd give me better > results of if there is a gloss optimizer that comes with the set. > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Chang <frdchang@b...> > wrote: > > > > how much are MIS inks? > > > > is it just cheaper to get the new epson inkset by purchasing a new > printer? > > > > the new epson inkset is reported to do a marvelous job on printing > on > > glossy. > > > > it seems like if you stick with UC inks + glossy papers, then > bronzing > > is something you will have to deal with (i heard of people also > spraying > > their glossy prints to reduce the bronzing) ...however on luster > paper i > > found that bronzing wasn't really an issue, so maybe you can get > away > > with luster? (or maybe glossy is a requirement for you?) > > > > cheers, > > fred > > > > SteveZ wrote: > > > I'm doing some fund raising and the organization has asked me to > make > > > prints on semi-gloss or glossy paper. I normally use QTR with my > Epson > > > 2200/UC inks and print on matte papers, but I'm finding with > gloss or > > > semi gloss, the bronzing is quite an issue. Can anyone recommend > a > > > solution? I hear that MIS inks are much better for reduced > bronzing on > > > glossy media. Can anyone confirm this? What has your experience > been? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > * Visit your group "QuadtoneRIP > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuadtoneRIP>" on the web. > > > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com? > subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > of > > > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "QuadtoneRIP > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuadtoneRIP>" on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:QuadtoneRIP-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >
2006-01-27 by Richard Corbett
---- Original Message -----
From: "SteveZ" <blizzie12@...> To: <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:24 PM Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Need Advice with QTR/Inks > Have you used > these inks on Glossy stock? Obviously I haven't but from what I have > heard they do a pretty good job on glossy/semi gloss/lustre media. I have and they do not. The effect they give is not unlike that obtained by spot varnishing on an offset press, or if you prefer, the areas where ink goes down have a very noticable gloss differential from those areas where ink does not go down. I printed using an R2400 onto Epson premier gloss. Richard --- [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are currently using to read this email. ]
2006-01-27 by SteveZ
So then what are all the accolades about? --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Corbett" <richard@r...> wrote: > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "SteveZ" <blizzie12@y...> > To: <QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:24 PM > Subject: [QuadtoneRIP] Re: Need Advice with QTR/Inks > > > > Have you used > > these inks on Glossy stock? Obviously I haven't but from what I have > > heard they do a pretty good job on glossy/semi gloss/lustre media. > > > I have and they do not. The effect they give is not unlike that obtained by > spot varnishing on an offset press, or if you prefer, the areas where ink > goes down have a very noticable gloss differential from those areas where > ink does not go down. > > I printed using an R2400 onto Epson premier gloss. > > Richard > > --- > [This E-mail has been scanned for viruses but it is your responsibility > to maintain up to date anti virus software on the device that you are > currently using to read this email. ] >
2006-01-27 by Raphael Bustin
Hello Gang. I'm very new to QTR but not to inkjet printing. Recently acquired an Epson R1800, and so decided to give QTR a try. Owned many Epsons in the past, but my last "new" Epson was an 1160, around 4 years ago. Initial results are not very impressive. Major complaints: very grainy prints and nasty banding. Unless I'm mistaken, QTR's default with this printer is to use just K ink. So, is QTR really going to be worth the effort using the stock Ultrachrome inks? I'd be interested in hearing from anyone using QTR with stock inks on the R1800, and recommendations for getting started -- without wasting too much time, paper and ink. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/242 - Release Date: 1/26/2006
2006-01-27 by nsimms
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" <blizzie12@y...> wrote: > > I'm doing some fund raising and the organization has asked me to make > prints on semi-gloss or glossy paper. I normally use QTR with my Epson > 2200/UC inks and print on matte papers, but I'm finding with gloss or > semi gloss, the bronzing is quite an issue. Can anyone recommend a > solution? I hear that MIS inks are much better for reduced bronzing on > glossy media. Can anyone confirm this? What has your experience been? > I've been using the new MIS PRO inks on a 2200 for the last couple of months. Am able to get good results with QTR and regular 2200 profiles, on matte paper with eboni black. No bronzing I can see. I will give it a try with photo black and glossy paper and let you know how it goes. (BTW, these inks also seem to work pretty well printing glossy color using standard Epson profiles, though I have not done anything critical with them. Virtually no bronzing visible here either.) Cost is MUCH lower with these inks, if you refill the ink carts - which is very quick and easy to do with their clear, 'no-sponge' (partial sponge, actually) carts. I've decided to steer away from a CIS, due to clogging issues with an 1160 in the past. So far so good in that department - no clogging problems using refillable carts. If I eventually develop any problems, I figure I can just buy new refillable carts as necessary... Neil S.
2006-01-27 by SteveZ
Neil, you won't find bronzing on matte papers only glossy media. If you could do that test with MIS Pro inks and let me know that would be greatly appreciated. --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "nsimms" <nsimms@n...> wrote: > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" <blizzie12@y...> wrote: > > > > I'm doing some fund raising and the organization has asked me to make > > prints on semi-gloss or glossy paper. I normally use QTR with my Epson > > 2200/UC inks and print on matte papers, but I'm finding with gloss or > > semi gloss, the bronzing is quite an issue. Can anyone recommend a > > solution? I hear that MIS inks are much better for reduced bronzing on > > glossy media. Can anyone confirm this? What has your experience been? > > > > I've been using the new MIS PRO inks on a 2200 for the last couple of > months. Am able to get good results with QTR and regular 2200 > profiles, on matte paper with eboni black. No bronzing I can see. > > I will give it a try with photo black and glossy paper and let you > know how it goes. > > (BTW, these inks also seem to work pretty well printing glossy color > using standard Epson profiles, though I have not done anything > critical with them. Virtually no bronzing visible here either.) > > Cost is MUCH lower with these inks, if you refill the ink carts - > which is very quick and easy to do with their clear, 'no-sponge' > (partial sponge, actually) carts. I've decided to steer away from a > CIS, due to clogging issues with an 1160 in the past. So far so good > in that department - no clogging problems using refillable carts. If I
> eventually develop any problems, I figure I can just buy new > refillable carts as necessary... > > Neil S. >
2006-01-28 by Roy Harrington
Hi Rafe, The R800 and R1800 printers are somewhat different than all the other printers and inks. These printers have only one black ink -- i.e. no light-black but compensate by having the smallest dots 1.5pl. So while most printers do well at 1440 dpi with the R1800 you probably need to use 2880dpi. You'll have to decide for yourself if it's up to your standards. Cone makes a Neutral K7 inkset for this printer but then you lose color printing. Roy --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Raphael Bustin <rafeb@s...> wrote:
> > > Hello Gang. I'm very new to QTR but not to inkjet printing. > > Recently acquired an Epson R1800, and so decided to > give QTR a try. Owned many Epsons in the past, but > my last "new" Epson was an 1160, around 4 years ago. > > Initial results are not very impressive. Major complaints: > very grainy prints and nasty banding. Unless I'm mistaken, > QTR's default with this printer is to use just K ink. > > So, is QTR really going to be worth the effort using the > stock Ultrachrome inks? I'd be interested in hearing > from anyone using QTR with stock inks on the R1800, > and recommendations for getting started -- without > wasting too much time, paper and ink. > > > rafe b > www.terrapinphoto.com > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/242 - Release Date: 1/26/2006 >
2006-01-28 by Raphael Bustin
At 04:26 AM 1/28/2006 +0000, Roy wrote: >The R800 and R1800 printers are somewhat different than all >the other printers and inks. These printers have only one black ink -- >i.e. no light-black but compensate by having the smallest dots 1.5pl. >So while most printers do well at 1440 dpi with the R1800 you >probably need to use 2880dpi. You'll have to decide for yourself >if it's up to your standards. Cone makes a Neutral K7 inkset for this >printer but then you lose color printing. Thanks for the response, Roy. Assuming I stick with the Ultrachromes, do you see any advantage to QTR over the Epson driver for printing BW images? I think we agree that an Epson printing with just one ink channel is far from optimal. If I were to dedicate an Epson to a monochrome inkset, it would be a no-brainer to use QTR. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006
2006-01-28 by Roy Harrington
On Saturday, January 28, 2006, at 08:38 AM, Raphael Bustin wrote: > At 04:26 AM 1/28/2006 +0000, Roy wrote: > >> The R800 and R1800 printers are somewhat different than all >> the other printers and inks. These printers have only one black ink >> -- >> i.e. no light-black but compensate by having the smallest dots 1.5pl. >> So while most printers do well at 1440 dpi with the R1800 you >> probably need to use 2880dpi. You'll have to decide for yourself >> if it's up to your standards. Cone makes a Neutral K7 inkset for this >> printer but then you lose color printing. > > > Thanks for the response, Roy. > > Assuming I stick with the Ultrachromes, > do you see any advantage to QTR over > the Epson driver for printing BW images? Well QTR still gets rid of most of the color inks so you'll have less trouble with metamerism. Plus you get to tone the image how you like. In fact a little toning has the extra benefit of more ink on the paper reducing banding issues. Roy > > I think we agree that an Epson printing > with just one ink channel is far from > optimal. > > If I were to dedicate an Epson to a monochrome > inkset, it would be a no-brainer to use QTR. > > > > rafe b > www.terrapinphoto.com > - Roy Harrington roy@... Black & White Photo Gallery http://www.harrington.com
2006-02-02 by nsimms
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" <blizzie12@...> wrote: > > Neil, you won't find bronzing on matte papers only glossy media. > If you could do that test with MIS Pro inks and let me know that > would be greatly appreciated. > I made a few prints the other day with QTR on my 2200 with MIS PRO inks, and some old Epson Photo Glossy and Epson Photo Paper I had sitting around. As I couldn't find any profiles for this paper, I tried various profiles from the standard 2200 set that comes with QTR. No matter what I did I got significant bronzing on this glossy paper. Not really an issue for me, as I only use matte papers, but thought those with glossy aspirations for this inkset would like to know... Cheers, Neil S.
2006-02-02 by nsimms
--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "nsimms" <nsimms@...> wrote: > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ" <blizzie12@> wrote: > > > > Neil, you won't find bronzing on matte papers only glossy media. > > If you could do that test with MIS Pro inks and let me know that > > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > I made a few prints the other day with QTR on my 2200 with MIS PRO > inks, and some old Epson Photo Glossy and Epson Photo Paper I had > sitting around. As I couldn't find any profiles for this paper, I > tried various profiles from the standard 2200 set that comes with QTR. > No matter what I did I got significant bronzing on this glossy paper. > > Not really an issue for me, as I only use matte papers, but thought > those with glossy aspirations for this inkset would like to know... > > Cheers, > > Neil S. > Forgot to mention - this was with the MIS PRO Photo Black cart in place (no surprise!)... Neil S.