QTR-Quadtone RIP

I just received my 3mk inks from mis ink supply, for my epson 1800.
With the quadtone software:

I seem to having trouble getting my image center on the paper{8x10}
I have the scale to fit and centered checked,but the page comes out
uneven.
Also,I know I need to use Matte paper,but I put in a luster paper in
error and the image came out perfect,looks exactly like the matte paper

Any help/ advise would be greatly appreciated on anything related to
using quadtone properly.
I've read and re-read most of the help topics/instructions from Paul
Roark.
What am I missing?

Mike

Hi Mike,

> Also,I know I need to use Matte paper,but I put in a luster paper in
> error and the image came out perfect,looks exactly like the matte 

I do not know about the non-centered images, it did not happen with my
1800.

However, a word of caution about luster/glossy paper: The matte ink is
not meant for those, so it will not really bond to the luster paper,
it will scratch very easily.
I'd be worried about the long-term stability of the image.

You'll notice, if you use hi-quality papers, that in general the 3MK
inks are more delicate, in terms of scratching.
I really do recommend finishing the prints.

There was a thread a while ago about it.

Everybody, I am just a beginner myself, so please do correct me as
needed (kindly, please ;)


Ciao, Marco.

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "the_mark_pv" <QTRIP_grp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> 
> > Also,I know I need to use Matte paper,but I put in a luster paper in
> > error and the image came out perfect,looks exactly like the matte 
> 
> I do not know about the non-centered images, it did not happen with my
> 1800.
> 
> However, a word of caution about luster/glossy paper: The matte ink is
> not meant for those, so it will not really bond to the luster paper,
> it will scratch very easily.
> I'd be worried about the long-term stability of the image.
> 
> You'll notice, if you use hi-quality papers, that in general the 3MK
> inks are more delicate, in terms of scratching.
> I really do recommend finishing the prints.
> 
> There was a thread a while ago about it.
> 
> Everybody, I am just a beginner myself, so please do correct me as
> needed (kindly, please ;)
> 
> 
> Ciao, Marco.
>
Hi Marco,
I appreciate your reply,and I will make note about the luster paper.
Are you finishing all your prints?
Won't spraying the paper after you ,make the print ,give it more of a
gloss finish?
I'm using Epson premium presentation matte paper,as of now,maybe you
can recommend a better quality paper.
I'll get back on Paul Roark's website and do more homework...

All the best
Mike

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gerardthomas517x" <gerardthomas517x@...> 
wrote:

> I seem to having trouble getting my image center on the paper{8x10}
> I have the scale to fit and centered checked,but the page comes out
> uneven.

Hello Gerard, you didn't mention what OS you are using or what exact centering problem you 
are having but with OS X, most versions of PhotoShop and many Epson drivers there is a 
small misalignment that happens on the long end of about 3/8th (10mm).  You can correct it 
by going to Page Setup/Format For: and change from Any Printer to Your Specific Printer in 
the dropdown menu.

Best, Robert

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "robert49brake"
<robert49brake@...> wrote:
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gerardthomas517x"
<gerardthomas517x@> 
> wrote:
> 
> > I seem to having trouble getting my image center on the paper{8x10}
> > I have the scale to fit and centered checked,but the page comes out
> > uneven.
> 
> Hello Gerard, you didn't mention what OS you are using or what exact
centering problem you 
> are having but with OS X, most versions of PhotoShop and many Epson
drivers there is a 
> small misalignment that happens on the long end of about 3/8th
(10mm).  You can correct it 
> by going to Page Setup/Format For: and change from Any Printer to
Your Specific Printer in 
> the dropdown menu.
> 
> Best, Robert



Hi Robert,
Thanks for your reply.
I'm using windows xp
So,I should set up the actual size  in my normal printing software{qimage}
and then send it to quadtone for actual printing??

Mike





>

Hi Mike,

> I appreciate your reply,and I will make note about the luster paper.
> Are you finishing all your prints?

I am still too much of a beginner to think about that, all my prints
are still experimental and not meant to be given/sold to anybody.

I am not sure whether it is even on-topic here.
I think there was a long discussion about this on the yahoo group called
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint

Other feedbacks are very welcome.

Marco.

> I'm using windows xp
> So,I should set up the actual size  in my normal printing 

Hi Mike,

no, only on Mac QTone presents itself as a printer.

On PCs it is a standalone application, and you print from inside QTGui.

Which is why it's strange to me that it would print misaligned.

Are you sure did not set some margins in the driver ?

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gerardthomas517x" <gerardthomas517x@...> wrote:

> I'm using windows xp
> So,I should set up the actual size  in my normal printing software{qimage}
> and then send it to quadtone for actual printing??

I know nothing at all about Windows and Qimage.  But my workflow which was set up when I switched to digital has always been: 

Crop and set ratio (4x5, etc., in Raw and convert at 360 ppi (the native dpi output for Epsons)

I size to print size immediately in Photoshop before any post processing.

The idea for me has always been to keep any sizing algorithms out of the picture after any processing has started.

Using the fit to page algorithm is going to put a major pixel adjustment right at the end.  On many images it may not make a difference but it just seems good practise to get those 
major types of alterations done early before subtle adjustments are made. 

As I said, how Qimage interacts with QTR and Windows in terms of placement on the paper is beyond me.

Mark,Robert
Thanks for your reply's.
I too,amd a novice at b&w digital printing ,but i did spend many years
in a wet darkroom in the 80's.
   Here is my workflow:
I edit the image in Qimage{size,crop},actual dimensions I want on my
8&1/2 x11in paper..usually it's 7&1/2 x10...this way I have a nice
even border around the print..then,I sent that file to quadtone,which
only has 8x10 size{not 81/2x11}..i check center,then check scale to fit.
the prints come out....6&1/2 X 10.
the left hand side of the page has a 1&1/4 in border...and the bottom
has a 1&1/2 in border
Can't figure what I'm doing wrong or, is this the way quadtone sizes
the prints automatically?
I'm on windows XP machine
This is not reall a serious issue now,but,
 when I start to make 13 X 19 prints ,it could get expensive.
I'm only 2 days using quadtone and making many,many test prints.
will have to buy some more matte paper and ink from inksuppy ,on Monday.

Any further help would be greatly appreciated.
Merry Christmas to all and happy printing

Mike








<robert49brake@...> wrote:
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gerardthomas517x"
<gerardthomas517x@> wrote:
> 
> > I'm using windows xp
> > So,I should set up the actual size  in my normal printing
software{qimage}
> > and then send it to quadtone for actual printing??
> 
> I know nothing at all about Windows and Qimage.  But my workflow
which was set up when I switched to digital has always been: 
> 
> Crop and set ratio (4x5, etc., in Raw and convert at 360 ppi (the
native dpi output for Epsons)
> 
> I size to print size immediately in Photoshop before any post
processing.
> 
> The idea for me has always been to keep any sizing algorithms out of
the picture after any processing has started.
> 
> Using the fit to page algorithm is going to put a major pixel
adjustment right at the end.  On many images it may not make a
difference but it just seems good practise to get those 
> major types of alterations done early before subtle adjustments are
made. 
> 
> As I said, how Qimage interacts with QTR and Windows in terms of
placement on the paper is beyond me.
>

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gerardthomas517x" <gerardthomas517x@...> 
wrote:
,I sent that file to quadtone,which
> only has 8x10 size{not 81/2x11}..i check center,then check scale to fit.
> the prints come out....6&1/2 X 10.

Unfortunately QTR in Mac and Windoze diverges greatly at the printing stage so I won't be 
much help, but your not being able to choose anything but 8x10 doesn't sound right.  

I would check over your workflow carefully,  On a Mac you print directly through your 
Imaging program and use a QTR modified version of the Epson driver interface.  With a PC I 
believe you save your image to a tiff format then open that image in QTR GUI and print 
from there.  Are you using the latest version of QTR?

--- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "robert49brake"
<robert49brake@...> wrote:
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "gerardthomas517x"
<gerardthomas517x@> 
> wrote:
> ,I sent that file to quadtone,which
> > only has 8x10 size{not 81/2x11}..i check center,then check scale
to fit.
> > the prints come out....6&1/2 X 10.
> 
> Unfortunately QTR in Mac and Windoze diverges greatly at the
printing stage so I won't be 
> much help, but your not being able to choose anything but 8x10
doesn't sound right.  
> 
> I would check over your workflow carefully,  On a Mac you print
directly through your 
> Imaging program and use a QTR modified version of the Epson driver
interface.  With a PC I 
> believe you save your image to a tiff format then open that image in
QTR GUI and print 
> from there.  Are you using the latest version of QTR?



Robert,
you are right ,after some careful review of the quadtone interface
,under the custom page setting was 8&1/2x11...user error{what else is
new}.
All the images are tiff's
I'll keep at it 
Thanks for your help & patience


Mike




















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