QTR-Quadtone RIP

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@zeelandnet.nl> wrote:
> addition to my earlier post:
>
> From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
>
> Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
>
> Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and maybe QTR?
>
> kees
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>
> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old drivers and
> heard others speculate it as well.
> 
> The US user guide does not say this.  So I checked the UK website and
> the user guide there is a totally different document.  Sure enough it
> has this about both control codes.  Its encouraging but I'd like to see it
> actually working before being sure.
> 
> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roy
> 
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@...> wrote:
> > addition to my earlier post:
> >
> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> >
> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> >
> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and maybe QTR?
> >
> > kees
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> Could you point me to where Ray said the 7900 and 9900 won't be supported?
> Will that be the case for the 4900 as well?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@...> wrote:
> Thanks Roy,
>
> I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told me epson germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am thinking of buying the 7890, only if....
>
> Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of just give it?
>
> kees
>
>
>
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
>>
>> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old drivers and
>> heard others speculate it as well.
>>
>> The US user guide does not say this.  So I checked the UK website and
>> the user guide there is a totally different document.  Sure enough it
>> has this about both control codes.  Its encouraging but I'd like to see it
>> actually working before being sure.
>>
>> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
>> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roy
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@...> wrote:
>> > addition to my earlier post:
>> >
>> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
>> >
>> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
>> >
>> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and maybe QTR?
>> >
>> > kees
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>
> Interesting development.
> 
> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a calibration page --
> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both the
> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as wide as expected).
> So the good news is we have something working, but its not completely
> compatible.
> 
> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question.  If we can only print
> at 2880 I think that would be workable.   These new printers are faster already.
> 
> Roy
> 
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@...> wrote:
> > Thanks Roy,
> >
> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told me epson germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am thinking of buying the 7890, only if....
> >
> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of just give it?
> >
> > kees
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old drivers and
> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> >>
> >> The US user guide does not say this.  So I checked the UK website and
> >> the user guide there is a totally different document.  Sure enough it
> >> has this about both control codes.  Its encouraging but I'd like to see it
> >> actually working before being sure.
> >>
> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Roy
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> >> >
> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> >> >
> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> >> >
> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and maybe QTR?
> >> >
> >> > kees
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@...> wrote:
> That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink channels (orange and green, is it?)?
>
> I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few years. Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists ESC/P2 as the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak. The R3000 also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
>
> Shilesh
>
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting development.
>>
>> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
>> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a calibration page --
>> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both the
>> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as wide as expected).
>> So the good news is we have something working, but its not completely
>> compatible.
>>
>> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question.  If we can only print
>> at 2880 I think that would be workable.   These new printers are faster already.
>>
>> Roy
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@...> wrote:
>> > Thanks Roy,
>> >
>> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told me epson germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am thinking of buying the 7890, only if....
>> >
>> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of just give it?
>> >
>> > kees
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old drivers and
>> >> heard others speculate it as well.
>> >>
>> >> The US user guide does not say this.  So I checked the UK website and
>> >> the user guide there is a totally different document.  Sure enough it
>> >> has this about both control codes.  Its encouraging but I'd like to see it
>> >> actually working before being sure.
>> >>
>> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
>> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Roy
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
>> >> > addition to my earlier post:
>> >> >
>> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
>> >> >
>> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
>> >> >
>> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and maybe QTR?
>> >> >
>> >> > kees
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>
> Hi Roy,
> 
> Great news on the x900 support.
> 
> In terms of more inks, I agree people probably don't want more than 7 inks
> at one time, but I sure would like to use the other ink channels for
> supporting multiple ink sets.
> 
> Is it just a matter of supporting 10 bit calibration image rather than 8
> bit?
> Or is your ink channel handling after 16 >8 bit conversion? Anyway I think
> its important we can address more than 8 inks, just not at the same time
> :) As a work around maybe you can support any 8 inks at the same time and
> have some way to define which 8 ?
> 
> I presume we can just do a PK/MK switch with the Epson driver - correct?
> 
> So we now can have 11 channels available in the x900s - wonderful situation.
> With Jon's K6 inks I can have Sepia, Split S/N, and SE all loaded at the
> same time. (Note: For those paying attention to the detail S2 and SE2 are
> effectively interchangeable - so these 3x K6 ink sets fit into 11 channels
> or 2 sets of K7).
> 
> Great news, Txs Roy.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 10 March 2011 05:20, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and green.
> > Actually selecting
> > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure out any
> > issues with
> > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8 bits for
> > ink selection.
> > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that many
> > inks for B&W.
> >
> > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so should not
> > be a problem
> > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the R3000
> > but I'd think
> > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> >
> > Roy
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@...> wrote:
> > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink
> > channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > >
> > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few years.
> > Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists ESC/P2 as
> > the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak. The R3000
> > also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > >
> > > Shilesh
> > >
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Interesting development.
> > >>
> > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a calibration
> > page --
> > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both the
> > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as wide as
> > expected).
> > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not completely
> > >> compatible.
> > >>
> > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question.  If we can
> > only print
> > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable.   These new printers are faster
> > already.
> > >>
> > >> Roy
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > >> >
> > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told me epson
> > germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am thinking
> > of buying the 7890, only if....
> > >> >
> > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of just give
> > it?
> > >> >
> > >> > kees
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old drivers
> > and
> > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The US user guide does not say this.  So I checked the UK website and
> > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document.  Sure enough it
> > >> >> has this about both control codes.  Its encouraging but I'd like to
> > see it
> > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >> Roy
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and maybe
> > QTR?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > kees
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ------------------------------------
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ------------------------------------
> > >> >
> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Shilesh,
> 
> As I mentioned above you can get a triple K6 on an x900 11 channels, but no
> Glop.
> I don't think you have to worry about banding with the 7900 - assuming you
> have good profile, better to use the channels for alternative ink blends.
> 
> Look forward to seeing what you do with one. May as well go for a 7900, at
> least here in UK they are only 25% more expensive than 4900.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 10 March 2011 16:03, shileshjani <shileshjani@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > The X900 printers will have 10 channels available at a time: K (MK or PK),
> > LK, LLK,C, LC, M, LM, Y, O, and G. If we take one channel for GLOP, we are
> > left with K + 4 gray dilutions. Essentially, a dual K5 system is possible.
> >
> > Of course, some dilutions can be shared. In which case a hybrid dual K6 can
> > be configured. I can imagine the either darkest gray to be shared, or even
> > the lightest gray. Now the possibilities open up quite a bit.
> >
> > Personally, I would opt for dual quad (K4) which are the same warm ink
> > backbone. This would help with smoothness (similar to Roark's multi channel
> > BO), and reduced likelihood of banding artifacts, and add high gamut color
> > toners in other positions. But that is my opinion only. I know some find
> > high gamut inks an anathema.
> >
> > Now I need to butter-up my wife so as to buy the 4900. Good times!
> >
> > Shilesh
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Roy,
> > >
> > > Great news on the x900 support.
> > >
> > > In terms of more inks, I agree people probably don't want more than 7
> > inks
> > > at one time, but I sure would like to use the other ink channels for
> > > supporting multiple ink sets.
> > >
> > > Is it just a matter of supporting 10 bit calibration image rather than 8
> > > bit?
> > > Or is your ink channel handling after 16 >8 bit conversion? Anyway I
> > think
> > > its important we can address more than 8 inks, just not at the same time
> > > :) As a work around maybe you can support any 8 inks at the same time and
> > > have some way to define which 8 ?
> > >
> > > I presume we can just do a PK/MK switch with the Epson driver - correct?
> > >
> > > So we now can have 11 channels available in the x900s - wonderful
> > situation.
> > > With Jon's K6 inks I can have Sepia, Split S/N, and SE all loaded at the
> > > same time. (Note: For those paying attention to the detail S2 and SE2 are
> > > effectively interchangeable - so these 3x K6 ink sets fit into 11
> > channels
> > > or 2 sets of K7).
> > >
> > > Great news, Txs Roy.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > On 10 March 2011 05:20, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and green.
> > > > Actually selecting
> > > > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure out any
> > > > issues with
> > > > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8 bits for
> > > > ink selection.
> > > > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that many
> > > > inks for B&W.
> > > >
> > > > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so should not
> > > > be a problem
> > > > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the R3000
> > > > but I'd think
> > > > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> > > >
> > > > Roy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink
> > > > channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > > > >
> > > > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few
> > years.
> > > > Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists
> > ESC/P2 as
> > > > the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak. The
> > R3000
> > > > also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Shilesh
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Interesting development.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> > > > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a
> > calibration
> > > > page --
> > > > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both the
> > > > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as wide
> > as
> > > > expected).
> > > > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not
> > completely
> > > > >> compatible.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question. If we can
> > > > only print
> > > > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable. These new printers are
> > faster
> > > > already.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Roy
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told me
> > epson
> > > > germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am
> > thinking
> > > > of buying the 7890, only if....
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of just
> > give
> > > > it?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > kees
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old
> > drivers
> > > > and
> > > > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> The US user guide does not say this. So I checked the UK website
> > and
> > > > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document. Sure enough
> > it
> > > > >> >> has this about both control codes. Its encouraging but I'd like
> > to
> > > > see it
> > > > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > > > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > >> >> Roy
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and maybe
> > > > QTR?
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > kees
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > ------------------------------------
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ------------------------------------
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Shilesh,
> 
> As I mentioned above you can get a triple K6 on an x900 11 channels, but no
> Glop.
> I don't think you have to worry about banding with the 7900 - assuming you
> have good profile, better to use the channels for alternative ink blends.
> 
> Look forward to seeing what you do with one. May as well go for a 7900, at
> least here in UK they are only 25% more expensive than 4900.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 10 March 2011 16:03, shileshjani <shileshjani@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > The X900 printers will have 10 channels available at a time: K (MK or PK),
> > LK, LLK,C, LC, M, LM, Y, O, and G. If we take one channel for GLOP, we are
> > left with K + 4 gray dilutions. Essentially, a dual K5 system is possible.
> >
> > Of course, some dilutions can be shared. In which case a hybrid dual K6 can
> > be configured. I can imagine the either darkest gray to be shared, or even
> > the lightest gray. Now the possibilities open up quite a bit.
> >
> > Personally, I would opt for dual quad (K4) which are the same warm ink
> > backbone. This would help with smoothness (similar to Roark's multi channel
> > BO), and reduced likelihood of banding artifacts, and add high gamut color
> > toners in other positions. But that is my opinion only. I know some find
> > high gamut inks an anathema.
> >
> > Now I need to butter-up my wife so as to buy the 4900. Good times!
> >
> > Shilesh
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Roy,
> > >
> > > Great news on the x900 support.
> > >
> > > In terms of more inks, I agree people probably don't want more than 7
> > inks
> > > at one time, but I sure would like to use the other ink channels for
> > > supporting multiple ink sets.
> > >
> > > Is it just a matter of supporting 10 bit calibration image rather than 8
> > > bit?
> > > Or is your ink channel handling after 16 >8 bit conversion? Anyway I
> > think
> > > its important we can address more than 8 inks, just not at the same time
> > > :) As a work around maybe you can support any 8 inks at the same time and
> > > have some way to define which 8 ?
> > >
> > > I presume we can just do a PK/MK switch with the Epson driver - correct?
> > >
> > > So we now can have 11 channels available in the x900s - wonderful
> > situation.
> > > With Jon's K6 inks I can have Sepia, Split S/N, and SE all loaded at the
> > > same time. (Note: For those paying attention to the detail S2 and SE2 are
> > > effectively interchangeable - so these 3x K6 ink sets fit into 11
> > channels
> > > or 2 sets of K7).
> > >
> > > Great news, Txs Roy.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > On 10 March 2011 05:20, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and green.
> > > > Actually selecting
> > > > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure out any
> > > > issues with
> > > > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8 bits for
> > > > ink selection.
> > > > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that many
> > > > inks for B&W.
> > > >
> > > > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so should not
> > > > be a problem
> > > > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the R3000
> > > > but I'd think
> > > > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> > > >
> > > > Roy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink
> > > > channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > > > >
> > > > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few
> > years.
> > > > Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists
> > ESC/P2 as
> > > > the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak. The
> > R3000
> > > > also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Shilesh
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Interesting development.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> > > > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a
> > calibration
> > > > page --
> > > > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both the
> > > > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as wide
> > as
> > > > expected).
> > > > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not
> > completely
> > > > >> compatible.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question. If we can
> > > > only print
> > > > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable. These new printers are
> > faster
> > > > already.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Roy
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told me
> > epson
> > > > germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am
> > thinking
> > > > of buying the 7890, only if....
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of just
> > give
> > > > it?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > kees
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old
> > drivers
> > > > and
> > > > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> The US user guide does not say this. So I checked the UK website
> > and
> > > > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document. Sure enough
> > it
> > > > >> >> has this about both control codes. Its encouraging but I'd like
> > to
> > > > see it
> > > > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > > > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > >> >> Roy
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and maybe
> > > > QTR?
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> Tyler, txs for the heads-up - wow that's disappointing...
> 
> BTW have people seen banding problems with 7880 ?
> I mothballed a new one because I thought we weren't going to get support for
> the newer printers.
> Maybe I should just plan to use that with its more limited ink #. But 11
> channels is pretty enticing.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 10 March 2011 16:38, tboleyyh <tyler@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi Mike, I have to warn that x900 banding could indeed be an issue for
> > some. Many, including myself, are experiencing K channel banding and have
> > yet to nail it down. OEM driver use rarely reveals it, but bare naked K3
> > from a RIP, or even K3 plus minimal additional color can be maddening...
> > we'll see.
> > I have about a new car's worth of paper, ink, and time into troubleshooting
> > this.
> > Tyler
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Shilesh,
> > >
> > > As I mentioned above you can get a triple K6 on an x900 11 channels, but
> > no
> > > Glop.
> > > I don't think you have to worry about banding with the 7900 - assuming
> > you
> > > have good profile, better to use the channels for alternative ink blends.
> > >
> > > Look forward to seeing what you do with one. May as well go for a 7900,
> > at
> > > least here in UK they are only 25% more expensive than 4900.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10 March 2011 16:03, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael,
> > > >
> > > > The X900 printers will have 10 channels available at a time: K (MK or
> > PK),
> > > > LK, LLK,C, LC, M, LM, Y, O, and G. If we take one channel for GLOP, we
> > are
> > > > left with K + 4 gray dilutions. Essentially, a dual K5 system is
> > possible.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, some dilutions can be shared. In which case a hybrid dual K6
> > can
> > > > be configured. I can imagine the either darkest gray to be shared, or
> > even
> > > > the lightest gray. Now the possibilities open up quite a bit.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I would opt for dual quad (K4) which are the same warm ink
> > > > backbone. This would help with smoothness (similar to Roark's multi
> > channel
> > > > BO), and reduced likelihood of banding artifacts, and add high gamut
> > color
> > > > toners in other positions. But that is my opinion only. I know some
> > find
> > > > high gamut inks an anathema.
> > > >
> > > > Now I need to butter-up my wife so as to buy the 4900. Good times!
> > > >
> > > > Shilesh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Roy,
> > > > >
> > > > > Great news on the x900 support.
> > > > >
> > > > > In terms of more inks, I agree people probably don't want more than 7
> > > > inks
> > > > > at one time, but I sure would like to use the other ink channels for
> > > > > supporting multiple ink sets.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it just a matter of supporting 10 bit calibration image rather
> > than 8
> > > > > bit?
> > > > > Or is your ink channel handling after 16 >8 bit conversion? Anyway I
> > > > think
> > > > > its important we can address more than 8 inks, just not at the same
> > time
> > > > > :) As a work around maybe you can support any 8 inks at the same time
> > and
> > > > > have some way to define which 8 ?
> > > > >
> > > > > I presume we can just do a PK/MK switch with the Epson driver -
> > correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > So we now can have 11 channels available in the x900s - wonderful
> > > > situation.
> > > > > With Jon's K6 inks I can have Sepia, Split S/N, and SE all loaded at
> > the
> > > > > same time. (Note: For those paying attention to the detail S2 and SE2
> > are
> > > > > effectively interchangeable - so these 3x K6 ink sets fit into 11
> > > > channels
> > > > > or 2 sets of K7).
> > > > >
> > > > > Great news, Txs Roy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10 March 2011 05:20, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and green.
> > > > > > Actually selecting
> > > > > > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure out
> > any
> > > > > > issues with
> > > > > > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8 bits
> > for
> > > > > > ink selection.
> > > > > > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that many
> > > > > > inks for B&W.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so should
> > not
> > > > > > be a problem
> > > > > > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the R3000
> > > > > > but I'd think
> > > > > > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink
> > > > > > channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few
> > > > years.
> > > > > > Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists
> > > > ESC/P2 as
> > > > > > the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak.
> > The
> > > > R3000
> > > > > > also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Interesting development.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> > > > > > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a
> > > > calibration
> > > > > > page --
> > > > > > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both
> > the
> > > > > > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as
> > wide
> > > > as
> > > > > > expected).
> > > > > > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not
> > > > completely
> > > > > > >> compatible.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question. If we
> > can
> > > > > > only print
> > > > > > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable. These new printers are
> > > > faster
> > > > > > already.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Roy
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told
> > me
> > > > epson
> > > > > > germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am
> > > > thinking
> > > > > > of buying the 7890, only if....
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of
> > just
> > > > give
> > > > > > it?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > kees
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old
> > > > drivers
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> The US user guide does not say this. So I checked the UK
> > website
> > > > and
> > > > > > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document. Sure
> > enough
> > > > it
> > > > > > >> >> has this about both control codes. Its encouraging but I'd
> > like
> > > > to
> > > > > > see it
> > > > > > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > > > > > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > > > >> >> Roy
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and
> > maybe
> > > > > > QTR?
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> Hi Mike, I have to warn that x900 banding could indeed be an issue for some. Many, including myself, are experiencing K channel banding and have yet to nail it down. OEM driver use rarely reveals it, but bare naked K3 from a RIP, or even K3 plus minimal additional color can be maddening... we'll see.
> I have about a new car's worth of paper, ink, and time into troubleshooting this.
> Tyler
> 
> 
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Shilesh,
> > 
> > As I mentioned above you can get a triple K6 on an x900 11 channels, but no
> > Glop.
> > I don't think you have to worry about banding with the 7900 - assuming you
> > have good profile, better to use the channels for alternative ink blends.
> > 
> > Look forward to seeing what you do with one. May as well go for a 7900, at
> > least here in UK they are only 25% more expensive than 4900.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > On 10 March 2011 16:03, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael,
> > >
> > > The X900 printers will have 10 channels available at a time: K (MK or PK),
> > > LK, LLK,C, LC, M, LM, Y, O, and G. If we take one channel for GLOP, we are
> > > left with K + 4 gray dilutions. Essentially, a dual K5 system is possible.
> > >
> > > Of course, some dilutions can be shared. In which case a hybrid dual K6 can
> > > be configured. I can imagine the either darkest gray to be shared, or even
> > > the lightest gray. Now the possibilities open up quite a bit.
> > >
> > > Personally, I would opt for dual quad (K4) which are the same warm ink
> > > backbone. This would help with smoothness (similar to Roark's multi channel
> > > BO), and reduced likelihood of banding artifacts, and add high gamut color
> > > toners in other positions. But that is my opinion only. I know some find
> > > high gamut inks an anathema.
> > >
> > > Now I need to butter-up my wife so as to buy the 4900. Good times!
> > >
> > > Shilesh
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@...m, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Roy,
> > > >
> > > > Great news on the x900 support.
> > > >
> > > > In terms of more inks, I agree people probably don't want more than 7
> > > inks
> > > > at one time, but I sure would like to use the other ink channels for
> > > > supporting multiple ink sets.
> > > >
> > > > Is it just a matter of supporting 10 bit calibration image rather than 8
> > > > bit?
> > > > Or is your ink channel handling after 16 >8 bit conversion? Anyway I
> > > think
> > > > its important we can address more than 8 inks, just not at the same time
> > > > :) As a work around maybe you can support any 8 inks at the same time and
> > > > have some way to define which 8 ?
> > > >
> > > > I presume we can just do a PK/MK switch with the Epson driver - correct?
> > > >
> > > > So we now can have 11 channels available in the x900s - wonderful
> > > situation.
> > > > With Jon's K6 inks I can have Sepia, Split S/N, and SE all loaded at the
> > > > same time. (Note: For those paying attention to the detail S2 and SE2 are
> > > > effectively interchangeable - so these 3x K6 ink sets fit into 11
> > > channels
> > > > or 2 sets of K7).
> > > >
> > > > Great news, Txs Roy.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > On 10 March 2011 05:20, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and green.
> > > > > Actually selecting
> > > > > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure out any
> > > > > issues with
> > > > > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8 bits for
> > > > > ink selection.
> > > > > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that many
> > > > > inks for B&W.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so should not
> > > > > be a problem
> > > > > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the R3000
> > > > > but I'd think
> > > > > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> > > > >
> > > > > Roy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink
> > > > > channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few
> > > years.
> > > > > Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists
> > > ESC/P2 as
> > > > > the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak. The
> > > R3000
> > > > > also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Interesting development.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> > > > > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a
> > > calibration
> > > > > page --
> > > > > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both the
> > > > > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as wide
> > > as
> > > > > expected).
> > > > > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not
> > > completely
> > > > > >> compatible.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question. If we can
> > > > > only print
> > > > > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable. These new printers are
> > > faster
> > > > > already.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Roy
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told me
> > > epson
> > > > > germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am
> > > thinking
> > > > > of buying the 7890, only if....
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of just
> > > give
> > > > > it?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > kees
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old
> > > drivers
> > > > > and
> > > > > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> The US user guide does not say this. So I checked the UK website
> > > and
> > > > > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document. Sure enough
> > > it
> > > > > >> >> has this about both control codes. Its encouraging but I'd like
> > > to
> > > > > see it
> > > > > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > > > > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > > >> >> Roy
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > > > > >> >> >
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> > > > > >> >> >
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> > > > > QTR?
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> 11 channels with 10 available at once. 11 cartridges 11 link lines. Mike
> 
> On 10 Mar 2011, at 16:52, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@...> wrote:
> 
> > This is from the 97/9900 specification:
> > 
> > 10-channel, drop-on-demand, ink jet print head
> > 11-cartridge configured as:
> > O, G, C, Lc, VM, VLm, Y, Lk, LLk + PK or MK
> > 
> > Shilesh
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tyler, txs for the heads-up - wow that's disappointing...
> > > 
> > > BTW have people seen banding problems with 7880 ?
> > > I mothballed a new one because I thought we weren't going to get support for
> > > the newer printers.
> > > Maybe I should just plan to use that with its more limited ink #. But 11
> > > channels is pretty enticing.
> > > 
> > > Mike
> > > 
> > > On 10 March 2011 16:38, tboleyyh <tyler@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike, I have to warn that x900 banding could indeed be an issue for
> > > > some. Many, including myself, are experiencing K channel banding and have
> > > > yet to nail it down. OEM driver use rarely reveals it, but bare naked K3
> > > > from a RIP, or even K3 plus minimal additional color can be maddening...
> > > > we'll see.
> > > > I have about a new car's worth of paper, ink, and time into troubleshooting
> > > > this.
> > > > Tyler
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Shilesh,
> > > > >
> > > > > As I mentioned above you can get a triple K6 on an x900 11 channels, but
> > > > no
> > > > > Glop.
> > > > > I don't think you have to worry about banding with the 7900 - assuming
> > > > you
> > > > > have good profile, better to use the channels for alternative ink blends.
> > > > >
> > > > > Look forward to seeing what you do with one. May as well go for a 7900,
> > > > at
> > > > > least here in UK they are only 25% more expensive than 4900.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10 March 2011 16:03, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The X900 printers will have 10 channels available at a time: K (MK or
> > > > PK),
> > > > > > LK, LLK,C, LC, M, LM, Y, O, and G. If we take one channel for GLOP, we
> > > > are
> > > > > > left with K + 4 gray dilutions. Essentially, a dual K5 system is
> > > > possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, some dilutions can be shared. In which case a hybrid dual K6
> > > > can
> > > > > > be configured. I can imagine the either darkest gray to be shared, or
> > > > even
> > > > > > the lightest gray. Now the possibilities open up quite a bit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Personally, I would opt for dual quad (K4) which are the same warm ink
> > > > > > backbone. This would help with smoothness (similar to Roark's multi
> > > > channel
> > > > > > BO), and reduced likelihood of banding artifacts, and add high gamut
> > > > color
> > > > > > toners in other positions. But that is my opinion only. I know some
> > > > find
> > > > > > high gamut inks an anathema.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I need to butter-up my wife so as to buy the 4900. Good times!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Roy,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Great news on the x900 support.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In terms of more inks, I agree people probably don't want more than 7
> > > > > > inks
> > > > > > > at one time, but I sure would like to use the other ink channels for
> > > > > > > supporting multiple ink sets.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it just a matter of supporting 10 bit calibration image rather
> > > > than 8
> > > > > > > bit?
> > > > > > > Or is your ink channel handling after 16 >8 bit conversion? Anyway I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > its important we can address more than 8 inks, just not at the same
> > > > time
> > > > > > > :) As a work around maybe you can support any 8 inks at the same time
> > > > and
> > > > > > > have some way to define which 8 ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I presume we can just do a PK/MK switch with the Epson driver -
> > > > correct?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So we now can have 11 channels available in the x900s - wonderful
> > > > > > situation.
> > > > > > > With Jon's K6 inks I can have Sepia, Split S/N, and SE all loaded at
> > > > the
> > > > > > > same time. (Note: For those paying attention to the detail S2 and SE2
> > > > are
> > > > > > > effectively interchangeable - so these 3x K6 ink sets fit into 11
> > > > > > channels
> > > > > > > or 2 sets of K7).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Great news, Txs Roy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 10 March 2011 05:20, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and green.
> > > > > > > > Actually selecting
> > > > > > > > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure out
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > issues with
> > > > > > > > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8 bits
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > ink selection.
> > > > > > > > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that many
> > > > > > > > inks for B&W.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so should
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > be a problem
> > > > > > > > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the R3000
> > > > > > > > but I'd think
> > > > > > > > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Roy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink
> > > > > > > > channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few
> > > > > > years.
> > > > > > > > Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists
> > > > > > ESC/P2 as
> > > > > > > > the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak.
> > > > The
> > > > > > R3000
> > > > > > > > also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Interesting development.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> > > > > > > > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a
> > > > > > calibration
> > > > > > > > page --
> > > > > > > > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as
> > > > wide
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > expected).
> > > > > > > > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not
> > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > >> compatible.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question. If we
> > > > can
> > > > > > > > only print
> > > > > > > > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable. These new printers are
> > > > > > faster
> > > > > > > > already.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Roy
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told
> > > > me
> > > > > > epson
> > > > > > > > germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am
> > > > > > thinking
> > > > > > > > of buying the 7890, only if....
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of
> > > > just
> > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > it?
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > kees
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old
> > > > > > drivers
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> The US user guide does not say this. So I checked the UK
> > > > website
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document. Sure
> > > > enough
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >> >> has this about both control codes. Its encouraging but I'd
> > > > like
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > > > > > > > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >> >> Roy
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and
> > > > maybe
> > > > > > > > QTR?
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> Hi Shilesh,
> 
> >>Maybe I am being real dense today. But MK and PK ink channels cannot be
> used at the same time. Hence my assertions.
> 
> Indeed not at the same time, so you need to put an ink in MK and PK that is
> unique to an ink set. I would put N5 and SE5 in MK/PK.
> 
> You can achieve triple K6 with 11 channels - I would use the following setup
> if I could get away with no banding -
> 
> Sepia - N1, S2, S3, S4, S5, S6
> SE, - N1, S2, SE3, SE4, SE5, N6
> Split N/S, N1, S2, S3, S4, N5, N6
> 
> Hopefully I can find time to rejoin the exchange in May.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 10 March 2011 19:07, shileshjani <shileshjani@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > You are a persistent man (smiley emoticon here).
> >
> > Upon further reflection, dual K6 is possible on X900. But I am not sure if
> > this is what you had in mind. The only way to achieve this is if you put a
> > single black ink in a slot that is NOT either MK or PK. But then you lose
> > the ability to split (share) whatever inks are in MK and PK positions.
> >
> > Also, I made a mistake in my calculation. If you load MK and PK positions
> > with black ink, to achieve dual K6, you need to share only one ink position
> > (not 2 that I stated in my earlier posting).
> >
> > Maybe I am being real dense today. But MK and PK ink channels cannot be
> > used at the same time. Hence my assertions.
> >
> > Shilesh
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Mike King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 11 channels with 10 available at once. 11 cartridges 11 link lines. Mike
> > >
> > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 16:52, "shileshjani" <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is from the 97/9900 specification:
> > > >
> > > > 10-channel, drop-on-demand, ink jet print head
> > > > 11-cartridge configured as:
> > > > O, G, C, Lc, VM, VLm, Y, Lk, LLk + PK or MK
> > > >
> > > > Shilesh
> > > >
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tyler, txs for the heads-up - wow that's disappointing...
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW have people seen banding problems with 7880 ?
> > > > > I mothballed a new one because I thought we weren't going to get
> > support for
> > > > > the newer printers.
> > > > > Maybe I should just plan to use that with its more limited ink #. But
> > 11
> > > > > channels is pretty enticing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10 March 2011 16:38, tboleyyh <tyler@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Mike, I have to warn that x900 banding could indeed be an issue
> > for
> > > > > > some. Many, including myself, are experiencing K channel banding
> > and have
> > > > > > yet to nail it down. OEM driver use rarely reveals it, but bare
> > naked K3
> > > > > > from a RIP, or even K3 plus minimal additional color can be
> > maddening...
> > > > > > we'll see.
> > > > > > I have about a new car's worth of paper, ink, and time into
> > troubleshooting
> > > > > > this.
> > > > > > Tyler
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Shilesh,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As I mentioned above you can get a triple K6 on an x900 11
> > channels, but
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > Glop.
> > > > > > > I don't think you have to worry about banding with the 7900 -
> > assuming
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > have good profile, better to use the channels for alternative ink
> > blends.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Look forward to seeing what you do with one. May as well go for a
> > 7900,
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > least here in UK they are only 25% more expensive than 4900.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 10 March 2011 16:03, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The X900 printers will have 10 channels available at a time: K
> > (MK or
> > > > > > PK),
> > > > > > > > LK, LLK,C, LC, M, LM, Y, O, and G. If we take one channel for
> > GLOP, we
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > left with K + 4 gray dilutions. Essentially, a dual K5 system
> > is
> > > > > > possible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Of course, some dilutions can be shared. In which case a hybrid
> > dual K6
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > be configured. I can imagine the either darkest gray to be
> > shared, or
> > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > the lightest gray. Now the possibilities open up quite a bit.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Personally, I would opt for dual quad (K4) which are the same
> > warm ink
> > > > > > > > backbone. This would help with smoothness (similar to Roark's
> > multi
> > > > > > channel
> > > > > > > > BO), and reduced likelihood of banding artifacts, and add high
> > gamut
> > > > > > color
> > > > > > > > toners in other positions. But that is my opinion only. I know
> > some
> > > > > > find
> > > > > > > > high gamut inks an anathema.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now I need to butter-up my wife so as to buy the 4900. Good
> > times!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Roy,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Great news on the x900 support.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In terms of more inks, I agree people probably don't want
> > more than 7
> > > > > > > > inks
> > > > > > > > > at one time, but I sure would like to use the other ink
> > channels for
> > > > > > > > > supporting multiple ink sets.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is it just a matter of supporting 10 bit calibration image
> > rather
> > > > > > than 8
> > > > > > > > > bit?
> > > > > > > > > Or is your ink channel handling after 16 >8 bit conversion?
> > Anyway I
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > its important we can address more than 8 inks, just not at
> > the same
> > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > > :) As a work around maybe you can support any 8 inks at the
> > same time
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > have some way to define which 8 ?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I presume we can just do a PK/MK switch with the Epson driver
> > -
> > > > > > correct?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So we now can have 11 channels available in the x900s -
> > wonderful
> > > > > > > > situation.
> > > > > > > > > With Jon's K6 inks I can have Sepia, Split S/N, and SE all
> > loaded at
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > same time. (Note: For those paying attention to the detail S2
> > and SE2
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > effectively interchangeable - so these 3x K6 ink sets fit
> > into 11
> > > > > > > > channels
> > > > > > > > > or 2 sets of K7).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Great news, Txs Roy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 10 March 2011 05:20, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and
> > green.
> > > > > > > > > > Actually selecting
> > > > > > > > > > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to
> > figure out
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > issues with
> > > > > > > > > > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses
> > 8 bits
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > ink selection.
> > > > > > > > > > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs
> > that many
> > > > > > > > > > inks for B&W.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so
> > should
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > be a problem
> > > > > > > > > > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at
> > the R3000
> > > > > > > > > > but I'd think
> > > > > > > > > > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Roy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the
> > additional ink
> > > > > > > > > > channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for
> > a few
> > > > > > > > years.
> > > > > > > > > > Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it
> > too lists
> > > > > > > > ESC/P2 as
> > > > > > > > > > the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so
> > bleak.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > R3000
> > > > > > > > > > also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Interesting development.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR
> > driver.
> > > > > > > > > > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print
> > a
> > > > > > > > calibration
> > > > > > > > > > page --
> > > > > > > > > > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected,
> > but both
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output
> > (twice as
> > > > > > wide
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > expected).
> > > > > > > > > > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its
> > not
> > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > >> compatible.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another
> > question. If we
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > only print
> > > > > > > > > > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable. These new
> > printers are
> > > > > > > > faster
> > > > > > > > > > already.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Roy
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer
> > just told
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > epson
> > > > > > > > > > germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock.
> > So I am
> > > > > > > > thinking
> > > > > > > > > > of buying the 7890, only if....
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now
> > instead of
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > it?
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
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> > <roy@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with
> > the old
> > > > > > > > drivers
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> The US user guide does not say this. So I checked the
> > UK
> > > > > > website
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document.
> > Sure
> > > > > > enough
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> has this about both control codes. Its encouraging
> > but I'd
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try
> > it?
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Roy
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with
> > ESC/P2 and
> > > > > > maybe
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> Tyler, txs for the heads-up - wow that's disappointing...
> 
> BTW have people seen banding problems with 7880 ?
> I mothballed a new one because I thought we weren't going to get support for
> the newer printers.
> Maybe I should just plan to use that with its more limited ink #. But 11
> channels is pretty enticing.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 10 March 2011 16:38, tboleyyh <tyler@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi Mike, I have to warn that x900 banding could indeed be an issue for
> > some. Many, including myself, are experiencing K channel banding and have
> > yet to nail it down. OEM driver use rarely reveals it, but bare naked K3
> > from a RIP, or even K3 plus minimal additional color can be maddening...
> > we'll see.
> > I have about a new car's worth of paper, ink, and time into troubleshooting
> > this.
> > Tyler
> >
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Shilesh,
> > >
> > > As I mentioned above you can get a triple K6 on an x900 11 channels, but
> > no
> > > Glop.
> > > I don't think you have to worry about banding with the 7900 - assuming
> > you
> > > have good profile, better to use the channels for alternative ink blends.
> > >
> > > Look forward to seeing what you do with one. May as well go for a 7900,
> > at
> > > least here in UK they are only 25% more expensive than 4900.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10 March 2011 16:03, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael,
> > > >
> > > > The X900 printers will have 10 channels available at a time: K (MK or
> > PK),
> > > > LK, LLK,C, LC, M, LM, Y, O, and G. If we take one channel for GLOP, we
> > are
> > > > left with K + 4 gray dilutions. Essentially, a dual K5 system is
> > possible.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, some dilutions can be shared. In which case a hybrid dual K6
> > can
> > > > be configured. I can imagine the either darkest gray to be shared, or
> > even
> > > > the lightest gray. Now the possibilities open up quite a bit.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I would opt for dual quad (K4) which are the same warm ink
> > > > backbone. This would help with smoothness (similar to Roark's multi
> > channel
> > > > BO), and reduced likelihood of banding artifacts, and add high gamut
> > color
> > > > toners in other positions. But that is my opinion only. I know some
> > find
> > > > high gamut inks an anathema.
> > > >
> > > > Now I need to butter-up my wife so as to buy the 4900. Good times!
> > > >
> > > > Shilesh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Roy,
> > > > >
> > > > > Great news on the x900 support.
> > > > >
> > > > > In terms of more inks, I agree people probably don't want more than 7
> > > > inks
> > > > > at one time, but I sure would like to use the other ink channels for
> > > > > supporting multiple ink sets.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it just a matter of supporting 10 bit calibration image rather
> > than 8
> > > > > bit?
> > > > > Or is your ink channel handling after 16 >8 bit conversion? Anyway I
> > > > think
> > > > > its important we can address more than 8 inks, just not at the same
> > time
> > > > > :) As a work around maybe you can support any 8 inks at the same time
> > and
> > > > > have some way to define which 8 ?
> > > > >
> > > > > I presume we can just do a PK/MK switch with the Epson driver -
> > correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > So we now can have 11 channels available in the x900s - wonderful
> > > > situation.
> > > > > With Jon's K6 inks I can have Sepia, Split S/N, and SE all loaded at
> > the
> > > > > same time. (Note: For those paying attention to the detail S2 and SE2
> > are
> > > > > effectively interchangeable - so these 3x K6 ink sets fit into 11
> > > > channels
> > > > > or 2 sets of K7).
> > > > >
> > > > > Great news, Txs Roy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10 March 2011 05:20, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and green.
> > > > > > Actually selecting
> > > > > > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure out
> > any
> > > > > > issues with
> > > > > > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8 bits
> > for
> > > > > > ink selection.
> > > > > > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that many
> > > > > > inks for B&W.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so should
> > not
> > > > > > be a problem
> > > > > > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the R3000
> > > > > > but I'd think
> > > > > > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink
> > > > > > channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few
> > > > years.
> > > > > > Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists
> > > > ESC/P2 as
> > > > > > the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak.
> > The
> > > > R3000
> > > > > > also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Interesting development.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> > > > > > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a
> > > > calibration
> > > > > > page --
> > > > > > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both
> > the
> > > > > > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as
> > wide
> > > > as
> > > > > > expected).
> > > > > > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not
> > > > completely
> > > > > > >> compatible.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question. If we
> > can
> > > > > > only print
> > > > > > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable. These new printers are
> > > > faster
> > > > > > already.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Roy
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told
> > me
> > > > epson
> > > > > > germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am
> > > > thinking
> > > > > > of buying the 7890, only if....
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of
> > just
> > > > give
> > > > > > it?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > kees
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old
> > > > drivers
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> The US user guide does not say this. So I checked the UK
> > website
> > > > and
> > > > > > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document. Sure
> > enough
> > > > it
> > > > > > >> >> has this about both control codes. Its encouraging but I'd
> > like
> > > > to
> > > > > > see it
> > > > > > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > > > > > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > > > >> >> Roy
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and
> > maybe
> > > > > > QTR?
> > > > > > >> >> >
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> Tyler,
> 
> What RIP are you using to drive only the K3 inks?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, "tboleyyh" <tyler@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike, I have to warn that x900 banding could indeed be an issue for some. Many, including myself, are experiencing K channel banding and have yet to nail it down. OEM driver use rarely reveals it, but bare naked K3 from a RIP, or even K3 plus minimal additional color can be maddening... we'll see.
> > I have about a new car's worth of paper, ink, and time into troubleshooting this.
> > Tyler
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Shilesh,
> > > 
> > > As I mentioned above you can get a triple K6 on an x900 11 channels, but no
> > > Glop.
> > > I don't think you have to worry about banding with the 7900 - assuming you
> > > have good profile, better to use the channels for alternative ink blends.
> > > 
> > > Look forward to seeing what you do with one. May as well go for a 7900, at
> > > least here in UK they are only 25% more expensive than 4900.
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > 
> > > Mike
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 10 March 2011 16:03, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael,
> > > >
> > > > The X900 printers will have 10 channels available at a time: K (MK or PK),
> > > > LK, LLK,C, LC, M, LM, Y, O, and G. If we take one channel for GLOP, we are
> > > > left with K + 4 gray dilutions. Essentially, a dual K5 system is possible.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, some dilutions can be shared. In which case a hybrid dual K6 can
> > > > be configured. I can imagine the either darkest gray to be shared, or even
> > > > the lightest gray. Now the possibilities open up quite a bit.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I would opt for dual quad (K4) which are the same warm ink
> > > > backbone. This would help with smoothness (similar to Roark's multi channel
> > > > BO), and reduced likelihood of banding artifacts, and add high gamut color
> > > > toners in other positions. But that is my opinion only. I know some find
> > > > high gamut inks an anathema.
> > > >
> > > > Now I need to butter-up my wife so as to buy the 4900. Good times!
> > > >
> > > > Shilesh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Roy,
> > > > >
> > > > > Great news on the x900 support.
> > > > >
> > > > > In terms of more inks, I agree people probably don't want more than 7
> > > > inks
> > > > > at one time, but I sure would like to use the other ink channels for
> > > > > supporting multiple ink sets.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it just a matter of supporting 10 bit calibration image rather than 8
> > > > > bit?
> > > > > Or is your ink channel handling after 16 >8 bit conversion? Anyway I
> > > > think
> > > > > its important we can address more than 8 inks, just not at the same time
> > > > > :) As a work around maybe you can support any 8 inks at the same time and
> > > > > have some way to define which 8 ?
> > > > >
> > > > > I presume we can just do a PK/MK switch with the Epson driver - correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > So we now can have 11 channels available in the x900s - wonderful
> > > > situation.
> > > > > With Jon's K6 inks I can have Sepia, Split S/N, and SE all loaded at the
> > > > > same time. (Note: For those paying attention to the detail S2 and SE2 are
> > > > > effectively interchangeable - so these 3x K6 ink sets fit into 11
> > > > channels
> > > > > or 2 sets of K7).
> > > > >
> > > > > Great news, Txs Roy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10 March 2011 05:20, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and green.
> > > > > > Actually selecting
> > > > > > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure out any
> > > > > > issues with
> > > > > > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8 bits for
> > > > > > ink selection.
> > > > > > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that many
> > > > > > inks for B&W.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so should not
> > > > > > be a problem
> > > > > > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the R3000
> > > > > > but I'd think
> > > > > > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Roy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > > > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink
> > > > > > channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few
> > > > years.
> > > > > > Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists
> > > > ESC/P2 as
> > > > > > the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak. The
> > > > R3000
> > > > > > also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Interesting development.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> > > > > > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a
> > > > calibration
> > > > > > page --
> > > > > > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both the
> > > > > > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as wide
> > > > as
> > > > > > expected).
> > > > > > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not
> > > > completely
> > > > > > >> compatible.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question. If we can
> > > > > > only print
> > > > > > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable. These new printers are
> > > > faster
> > > > > > already.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Roy
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told me
> > > > epson
> > > > > > germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am
> > > > thinking
> > > > > > of buying the 7890, only if....
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of just
> > > > give
> > > > > > it?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > kees
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old
> > > > drivers
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> The US user guide does not say this. So I checked the UK website
> > > > and
> > > > > > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document. Sure enough
> > > > it
> > > > > > >> >> has this about both control codes. Its encouraging but I'd like
> > > > to
> > > > > > see it
> > > > > > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > > > > > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > > > >> >> Roy
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
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> Tyler,
> 
> Out of curiosity, while are you bothering with K3 on x900 if its such a
> banding challenge. Why not just use your 9880?
> 
> If its to get easy PK/MK exchange - then you should note there is a simple
> and cheapish ink swap method for x880. I've used it with my 7880 and it
> works just fine. Details here
> http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/printer/7880-9880_swap_black_ink.html
> 
> <http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/printer/7880-9880_swap_black_ink.html>
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 11 March 2011 05:57, tboleyyh <tyler@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > my 9880 is the best performing Epson I have ever owned... nozzle
> > performance is head and shoulders above all the others, I've seen no
> > banding. But I can only speak for mine.
> >
> > Tyler
> >
> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tyler, txs for the heads-up - wow that's disappointing...
> > >
> > > BTW have people seen banding problems with 7880 ?
> > > I mothballed a new one because I thought we weren't going to get support
> > for
> > > the newer printers.
> > > Maybe I should just plan to use that with its more limited ink #. But 11
> > > channels is pretty enticing.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > On 10 March 2011 16:38, tboleyyh <tyler@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mike, I have to warn that x900 banding could indeed be an issue for
> > > > some. Many, including myself, are experiencing K channel banding and
> > have
> > > > yet to nail it down. OEM driver use rarely reveals it, but bare naked
> > K3
> > > > from a RIP, or even K3 plus minimal additional color can be
> > maddening...
> > > > we'll see.
> > > > I have about a new car's worth of paper, ink, and time into
> > troubleshooting
> > > > this.
> > > > Tyler
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Shilesh,
> > > > >
> > > > > As I mentioned above you can get a triple K6 on an x900 11 channels,
> > but
> > > > no
> > > > > Glop.
> > > > > I don't think you have to worry about banding with the 7900 -
> > assuming
> > > > you
> > > > > have good profile, better to use the channels for alternative ink
> > blends.
> > > > >
> > > > > Look forward to seeing what you do with one. May as well go for a
> > 7900,
> > > > at
> > > > > least here in UK they are only 25% more expensive than 4900.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10 March 2011 16:03, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The X900 printers will have 10 channels available at a time: K (MK
> > or
> > > > PK),
> > > > > > LK, LLK,C, LC, M, LM, Y, O, and G. If we take one channel for GLOP,
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > > > left with K + 4 gray dilutions. Essentially, a dual K5 system is
> > > > possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, some dilutions can be shared. In which case a hybrid
> > dual K6
> > > > can
> > > > > > be configured. I can imagine the either darkest gray to be shared,
> > or
> > > > even
> > > > > > the lightest gray. Now the possibilities open up quite a bit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Personally, I would opt for dual quad (K4) which are the same warm
> > ink
> > > > > > backbone. This would help with smoothness (similar to Roark's multi
> > > > channel
> > > > > > BO), and reduced likelihood of banding artifacts, and add high
> > gamut
> > > > color
> > > > > > toners in other positions. But that is my opinion only. I know some
> > > > find
> > > > > > high gamut inks an anathema.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I need to butter-up my wife so as to buy the 4900. Good times!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Michael King <drmrking@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Roy,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Great news on the x900 support.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In terms of more inks, I agree people probably don't want more
> > than 7
> > > > > > inks
> > > > > > > at one time, but I sure would like to use the other ink channels
> > for
> > > > > > > supporting multiple ink sets.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it just a matter of supporting 10 bit calibration image rather
> > > > than 8
> > > > > > > bit?
> > > > > > > Or is your ink channel handling after 16 >8 bit conversion?
> > Anyway I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > its important we can address more than 8 inks, just not at the
> > same
> > > > time
> > > > > > > :) As a work around maybe you can support any 8 inks at the same
> > time
> > > > and
> > > > > > > have some way to define which 8 ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I presume we can just do a PK/MK switch with the Epson driver -
> > > > correct?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So we now can have 11 channels available in the x900s - wonderful
> > > > > > situation.
> > > > > > > With Jon's K6 inks I can have Sepia, Split S/N, and SE all loaded
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > > > same time. (Note: For those paying attention to the detail S2 and
> > SE2
> > > > are
> > > > > > > effectively interchangeable - so these 3x K6 ink sets fit into 11
> > > > > > channels
> > > > > > > or 2 sets of K7).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Great news, Txs Roy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 10 March 2011 05:20, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and
> > green.
> > > > > > > > Actually selecting
> > > > > > > > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure
> > out
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > issues with
> > > > > > > > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8
> > bits
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > ink selection.
> > > > > > > > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that
> > many
> > > > > > > > inks for B&W.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so
> > should
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > be a problem
> > > > > > > > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the
> > R3000
> > > > > > > > but I'd think
> > > > > > > > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Roy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional
> > ink
> > > > > > > > channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a
> > few
> > > > > > years.
> > > > > > > > Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too
> > lists
> > > > > > ESC/P2 as
> > > > > > > > the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so
> > bleak.
> > > > The
> > > > > > R3000
> > > > > > > > also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Shilesh
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Interesting development.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR
> > driver.
> > > > > > > > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a
> > > > > > calibration
> > > > > > > > page --
> > > > > > > > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but
> > both
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice
> > as
> > > > wide
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > expected).
> > > > > > > > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not
> > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > >> compatible.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question. If
> > we
> > > > can
> > > > > > > > only print
> > > > > > > > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable. These new printers
> > are
> > > > > > faster
> > > > > > > > already.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Roy
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just
> > told
> > > > me
> > > > > > epson
> > > > > > > > germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I
> > am
> > > > > > thinking
> > > > > > > > of buying the 7890, only if....
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of
> > > > just
> > > > > > give
> > > > > > > > it?
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > kees
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the
> > old
> > > > > > drivers
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> The US user guide does not say this. So I checked the UK
> > > > website
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document.
> > Sure
> > > > enough
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >> >> has this about both control codes. Its encouraging but
> > I'd
> > > > like
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > see it
> > > > > > > > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > > > > > > > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >> >> Roy
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2
> > and
> > > > maybe
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> 
> Alan
> 
> On Mar 10, 2011, at 12:20 AM, Roy Harrington wrote:
> 
> > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and green.
> > Actually selecting
> > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure out any
> > issues with
> > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8 bits for
> > ink selection.
> > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that many
> > inks for B&W.
> > 
> > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so should not
> > be a problem
> > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the R3000
> > but I'd think
> > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> > 
> > Roy
> > 
> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@...> wrote:
> > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > >
> > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few years. Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists ESC/P2 as the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak. The R3000 also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > >
> > > Shilesh
> > >
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Interesting development.
> > >>
> > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a calibration page --
> > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both the
> > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as wide as expected).
> > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not completely
> > >> compatible.
> > >>
> > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question.  If we can only print
> > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable.   These new printers are faster already.
> > >>
> > >> Roy
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > >> >
> > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told me epson germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am thinking of buying the 7890, only if....
> > >> >
> > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of just give it?
> > >> >
> > >> > kees
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old drivers and
> > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The US user guide does not say this.  So I checked the UK website and
> > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document.  Sure enough it
> > >> >> has this about both control codes.  Its encouraging but I'd like to see it
> > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >> Roy
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and maybe QTR?
> > >> >> >
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> I see on this thread that some people propose using a 7900 with a rip (Studioprint or QTR) to partition multiple ink sets. As far as I'm aware, Epson removed the ability to control the individual ink channels, and tp turn them off or on individually. Is this not so?
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> --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Alan Vlach <alanvlach@> wrote:
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> > What do we need to do to try out the 7900?
> > 
> > Alan
> > 
> > On Mar 10, 2011, at 12:20 AM, Roy Harrington wrote:
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> > > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and green.
> > > Actually selecting
> > > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure out any
> > > issues with
> > > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8 bits for
> > > ink selection.
> > > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that many
> > > inks for B&W.
> > > 
> > > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so should not
> > > be a problem
> > > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the R3000
> > > but I'd think
> > > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> > > 
> > > Roy
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@> wrote:
> > > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > > >
> > > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few years. Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists ESC/P2 as the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak. The R3000 also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > > >
> > > > Shilesh
> > > >
> > > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Interesting development.
> > > >>
> > > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> > > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a calibration page --
> > > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both the
> > > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as wide as expected).
> > > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not completely
> > > >> compatible.
> > > >>
> > > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question.  If we can only print
> > > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable.   These new printers are faster already.
> > > >>
> > > >> Roy
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told me epson germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am thinking of buying the 7890, only if....
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of just give it?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > kees
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> > > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
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> > > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old drivers and
> > > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> The US user guide does not say this.  So I checked the UK website and
> > > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document.  Sure enough it
> > > >> >> has this about both control codes.  Its encouraging but I'd like to see it
> > > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > >> >> Roy
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and maybe QTR?
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> Hi Roy,
> 
> Great news on the x900 support.
> 
> In terms of more inks, I agree people probably don't want more than 7 inks
> at one time, but I sure would like to use the other ink channels for
> supporting multiple ink sets.
> 
> Is it just a matter of supporting 10 bit calibration image rather than 8
> bit?
> Or is your ink channel handling after 16 >8 bit conversion? Anyway I think
> its important we can address more than 8 inks, just not at the same time
> :) As a work around maybe you can support any 8 inks at the same time and
> have some way to define which 8 ?
> 
> I presume we can just do a PK/MK switch with the Epson driver - correct?
> 
> So we now can have 11 channels available in the x900s - wonderful situation.
> With Jon's K6 inks I can have Sepia, Split S/N, and SE all loaded at the
> same time. (Note: For those paying attention to the detail S2 and SE2 are
> effectively interchangeable - so these 3x K6 ink sets fit into 11 channels
> or 2 sets of K7).
> 
> Great news, Txs Roy.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike
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> On 10 March 2011 05:20, Roy Harrington <roy@...> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > I just used the 7880 driver so no I couldn't try orange and green.
> > Actually selecting
> > the inks is probably not a big problem but I do have to figure out any
> > issues with
> > more than 8 inks. For instance the inkseparation page uses 8 bits for
> > ink selection.
> > I'd probably put this off until later -- who really needs that many
> > inks for B&W.
> >
> > I have looked at the 4900 and is apparently all Esc/P2 so should not
> > be a problem
> > except for the 8 ink -> 10 ink issues. Haven't looked at the R3000
> > but I'd think
> > its like the R2880 except for the K ink selection.
> >
> > Roy
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, shileshjani <shileshjani@...> wrote:
> > > That is wonderful, Roy. Did you try to control the additional ink
> > channels (orange and green, is it?)?
> > >
> > > I was seriously considering buying a 4880 to mothball for a few years.
> > Earlier today, I looked up specs on the new 4900, and it too lists ESC/P2 as
> > the printer controler. So perhaps the near future is not so bleak. The R3000
> > also looks promising with ESC/P2 control as well.
> > >
> > > Shilesh
> > >
> > > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Interesting development.
> > >>
> > >> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
> > >> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a calibration
> > page --
> > >> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected, but both the
> > >> 1440dpi and 1440super modes printed expanded output (twice as wide as
> > expected).
> > >> So the good news is we have something working, but its not completely
> > >> compatible.
> > >>
> > >> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question.  If we can
> > only print
> > >> at 2880 I think that would be workable.   These new printers are faster
> > already.
> > >>
> > >> Roy
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > >> > Thanks Roy,
> > >> >
> > >> > I actually ordered a 7880 in January but my dealer just told me epson
> > germany (also delivering the netherlands) is out of stock. So I am thinking
> > of buying the 7890, only if....
> > >> >
> > >> > Is epson actually licensing this new ESC/P3 now instead of just give
> > it?
> > >> >
> > >> > kees
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --- In QuadtoneRIP@yahoogroups.com, Roy Harrington <roy@> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I had a suspicion that they may be compatible with the old drivers
> > and
> > >> >> heard others speculate it as well.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The US user guide does not say this.  So I checked the UK website and
> > >> >> the user guide there is a totally different document.  Sure enough it
> > >> >> has this about both control codes.  Its encouraging but I'd like to
> > see it
> > >> >> actually working before being sure.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Anybody have one of the new printers who can just try it?
> > >> >> 7890, 7900, 9890, 9900, 11880 -- any of them.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >> Roy
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kees <ctb@> wrote:
> > >> >> > addition to my earlier post:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > From the epson 7890/9890 specs in the user guide:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Control code: ESC/P2 ESC/P3
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Does this mean it is backwards compatible with ESC/P2 and maybe
> > QTR?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > kees
> > >> >> >
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> Hi Mike, I have to warn that x900 banding could indeed be an issue for some. Many, including myself, are experiencing K channel banding and have yet to nail it down. OEM driver use rarely reveals it, but bare naked K3 from a RIP, or even K3 plus minimal additional color can be maddening... we'll see.
> I have about a new car's worth of paper, ink, and time into troubleshooting this.
> Tyler
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On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Kees <ctb@...> wrote:
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>> I got a hold of a 7900 briefly so I could try the QTR driver.
>> -- the method was just to use the 7880 driver and print a calibration page --
>> Anyway printing at 2880dpi seems to work as expected
>
>> Whether the 7890 has the same result is another question.
>
> Hi Roy,
>
> Can you explain how I can trick the 7890 (arrived today!) to print with the 7880 driver? I'm on a mac.
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