SergeModular

> Hi everyone,
>
> After receiving the news that STS will stop production of custom
> panels on June 1st, I'm
> quickly making up my mind about ordering a custom panel to round out
> my current
> system (Blue Voice, Blue CV, Soup Kitchen, TKB). I'd basically like to
> get one additional
> panel featuring some of my favorite modules so I have two of them,
> plus some things that
> aren't present in my current system. I'd really appreciate any
> comments about this module
> selection and the individual functionality, thanks!
>
> Here's what I had in mind:
>
> Preamp Detector PRNV 1"
> I have one at the moment, but use stereo input signals a lot. Also,
> I'd like to plug both a
> guitar and a microphone into the system simultaneously, and having two
> PRNV's would
> mean I can do this without bringing a mixing desk along.
>
> New Timbral Oscillator NTO 3"
> An obvious addition: I love the NTO, and my current four-panel system
> has only one
>
> Ring Modulator RING 1"
> Present in the current system, but used so much in so many ways that
> I'd like a second
> one
>
> Wave Multiplier VCM 2"
> again: Present in the current system, but used so much in so many ways
> that I'd like a
> second one
>
> Triple Waveshaper TWS 2"
> This one I'm not so sure of. I'd love feedback from some other users
> as to how versatile
> these are for audio processing. All the catalogue says is that it "can
> transform a sawtooth
> wave into a sine wave", or something equally unspectacular. What else
> does this do? How
> does it sound on external audio?
>
> Variable Bandwidth Filter VCF2 2"
> I'm curious about this one. With the VCF2 added I'd have one of every
> filter in my system
> (considering the VCFQ and the VCFQX are essentially the same, I have
> the latter)
>
> Resonant Equalizer EQ 2"
> again: I'd like a second one, I use this in almost every patch
>
> X Fader XFAD 1"
> Another one I'd love to hear some comments on. I have a UAP, which can
> be used as a
> crossfader, but I've noticed a slew/glide in its response. In other
> words, when I want to
> quickly switch (rather than fade smoothly) between two signals, the
> response isn't quick
> enough. The question is whether the XFAD can do real instantaneous
> "jump-cuts" between
> two signals without a noticeable glide, with the right CV applied (a
> gate from the TKB or a
> slow square wave, for example).
>
> Active Processor AP 1"
> What exactly sets the AP apart from the XFAD? Does the Active
> Processor allow for
> instantaneous, lag-free, jump-cuts between the two input signals?
> If the XFAD and AP have a similar lag/slew in the crossfade transition
> as the UAP, I might
> ask Rex if he can make me a Triple Voltage Controlled Switch instead,
> which was dropped
> from the catalogue at some point, mostly because of clicks in the
> audio during the
> switching.
>
> ÷N Comparator NCOM 1"
> Seems like a good idea, for PWM and audio division, among other things
>
> Total: 16"
>
> Thanks for any input about the selection/layout!
> Thomas
>
>

On 5/29/07, John P <johnp299792@...> wrote:

It sounds like you know you what you want pretty well...
just out of curiousity what makes you like the NTO?

Also I think the Triple Waveshaper is 3 VC waveshapers like what you
have in the NTO...
taking a sawtooth to a sine or a pulse. It's been a while since I
played with one but
you can get all sorts of interesting stuff out of it... a great
compliment to the VCM. You can feed just about anything into it (not
just a sawtooth)... just plug shit in and hear what it does!

riluttante wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> After receiving the news that STS will stop production of custom
> panels on June 1st, I'm
> quickly making up my mind about ordering a custom panel to round out
> my current
> system (Blue Voice, Blue CV, Soup Kitchen, TKB). I'd basically like to
> get one additional
> panel featuring some of my favorite modules so I have two of them,
> plus some things that
> aren't present in my current system. I'd really appreciate any
> comments about this module
> selection and the individual functionality, thanks!
>
> Here's what I had in mind:
>
> Preamp Detector PRNV 1"
> I have one at the moment, but use stereo input signals a lot. Also,
> I'd like to plug both a
> guitar and a microphone into the system simultaneously, and having two
> PRNV's would
> mean I can do this without bringing a mixing desk along.
>
> New Timbral Oscillator NTO 3"
> An obvious addition: I love the NTO, and my current four-panel system
> has only one
>
> Ring Modulator RING 1"
> Present in the current system, but used so much in so many ways that
> I'd like a second
> one
>
> Wave Multiplier VCM 2"
> again: Present in the current system, but used so much in so many ways
> that I'd like a
> second one
>
> Triple Waveshaper TWS 2"
> This one I'm not so sure of. I'd love feedback from some other users
> as to how versatile
> these are for audio processing. All the catalogue says is that it "can
> transform a sawtooth
> wave into a sine wave", or something equally unspectacular. What else
> does this do? How
> does it sound on external audio?
>
> Variable Bandwidth Filter VCF2 2"
> I'm curious about this one. With the VCF2 added I'd have one of every
> filter in my system
> (considering the VCFQ and the VCFQX are essentially the same, I have
> the latter)
>
> Resonant Equalizer EQ 2"
> again: I'd like a second one, I use this in almost every patch
>
> X Fader XFAD 1"
> Another one I'd love to hear some comments on. I have a UAP, which can
> be used as a
> crossfader, but I've noticed a slew/glide in its response. In other
> words, when I want to
> quickly switch (rather than fade smoothly) between two signals, the
> response isn't quick
> enough. The question is whether the XFAD can do real instantaneous
> "jump-cuts" between
> two signals without a noticeable glide, with the right CV applied (a
> gate from the TKB or a
> slow square wave, for example).
>
> Active Processor AP 1"
> What exactly sets the AP apart from the XFAD? Does the Active
> Processor allow for
> instantaneous, lag-free, jump-cuts between the two input signals?
> If the XFAD and AP have a similar lag/slew in the crossfade transition
> as the UAP, I might
> ask Rex if he can make me a Triple Voltage Controlled Switch instead,
> which was dropped
> from the catalogue at some point, mostly because of clicks in the
> audio during the
> switching.
>
> ÷N Comparator NCOM 1"
> Seems like a good idea, for PWM and audio division, among other things
>
> Total: 16"
>
> Thanks for any input about the selection/layout!
> Thomas
>
>

--
m/n/m/l
surreal electronic music, sound, noise
http://www.mnmlnoise.com

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@...>

Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers, too. The EQ is brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid opinion on, and I have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The NCOM is great, too, so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll be getting another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.
But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn't be able to get on a shop panel, or in a practical combination with other modules? How about a Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does anyone have either?

On 5/29/07, John P <johnp299792@ ameritech. net> wrote:

It sounds like you know you what you want pretty well...
just out of curiousity what makes you like the NTO?

Also I think the Triple Waveshaper is 3 VC waveshapers like what you
have in the NTO...
taking a sawtooth to a sine or a pulse. It's been a while since I
played with one but
you can get all sorts of interesting stuff out of it... a great
compliment to the VCM. You can feed just about anything into it (not
just a sawtooth)... just plug shit in and hear what it does!

riluttante wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> After receiving the news that STS will stop production of custom
> panels on June 1st, I'm
> quickly making up my mind about ordering a custom panel to round out
> my current
> system (Blue Voice, Blue CV, Soup Kitchen, TKB). I'd basically like to
> get one additional
> panel featuring some of my favorite modules so I have two of them,
> plus some things that
> ar en't present in my current system. I'd really appreciate any
> comments about this module
> selection and the individual functionality, thanks!
>
> Here's what I had in mind:
>
> Preamp Detector PRNV 1"
> I have one at the moment, but use stereo input signals a lot. Also,
> I'd like to plug both a
> guitar and a microphone into the system simultaneously, and having two
> PRNV's would
> mean I can do this without bringing a mixing desk along.
>
> New Timbral Oscillator NTO 3"
> An obvious addition: I love the NTO, and my current four-panel system
> has only one
>
> Ring Modulator RING 1"
> Present in the current system, but used so much in so many ways that
> I'd like a second
> one
>
> Wave Multiplier VCM 2"
> again: Present in the current system, but used so much in so many ways
> that I'd like a
> second one
>
> Tr iple Waveshaper TWS 2"
> This one I'm not so sure of. I'd love feedback from some other users
> as to how versatile
> these are for audio processing. All the catalogue says is that it "can
> transform a sawtooth
> wave into a sine wave", or something equally unspectacular. What else
> does this do? How
> does it sound on external audio?
>
> Variable Bandwidth Filter VCF2 2"
> I'm curious about this one. With the VCF2 added I'd have one of every
> filter in my system
> (considering the VCFQ and the VCFQX are essentially the same, I have
> the latter)
>
> Resonant Equalizer EQ 2"
> again: I'd like a second one, I use this in almost every patch
>
> X Fader XFAD 1"
> Another one I'd love to hear some comments on. I have a UAP, which can
> be used as a
> crossfader, but I've noticed a slew/glide in its response. In other
> words, when I want to
&g t; quickly switch (rather than fade smoothly) between two signals, the
> response isn't quick
> enough. The question is whether the XFAD can do real instantaneous
> "jump-cuts" between
> two signals without a noticeable glide, with the right CV applied (a
> gate from the TKB or a
> slow square wave, for example).
>
> Active Processor AP 1"
> What exactly sets the AP apart from the XFAD? Does the Active
> Processor allow for
> instantaneous, lag-free, jump-cuts between the two input signals?
> If the XFAD and AP have a similar lag/slew in the crossfade transition
> as the UAP, I might
> ask Rex if he can make me a Triple Voltage Controlled Switch instead,
> which was dropped
> from the catalogue at some point, mostly because of clicks in the
> audio during the
> switching.
>
> �N Comparator NCOM 1"
> Seems like a good idea, for PWM and audio division, among other things
>
> Total: 16"
>
> Thanks for any input about the selection/layout!
> Thomas
>
>

--
m/n/m/l
surreal electronic music, sound, noise
http://www.mnmlnois e.com

>
> It sounds like you know you what you want pretty well...
> just out of curiousity what makes you like the NTO?

>
> Also I think the Triple Waveshaper is 3 VC waveshapers like what you
> have in the NTO...
> taking a sawtooth to a sine or a pulse. It's been a while since I
> played with one but
> you can get all sorts of interesting stuff out of it... a great
> compliment to the VCM. You can feed just about anything into it (not
> just a sawtooth)... just plug shit in and hear what it does!

>
> riluttante wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > After receiving the news that STS will stop production of custom
> > panels on June 1st, I'm
> > quickly making up my mind about ordering a custom panel to round out
> > my current
> > system (Blue Voice, Blue CV, Soup Kitchen, TKB). I'd basically like to
> > get one additional
> > panel featuring some of my favorite modules so I have two of them,
> > plus some things that
> > aren't present in my current system. I'd really appreciate any
> > comments about this module
> > selection and the individual functionality, thanks!
> >
> > Here's what I had in mind:
> >
> > Preamp Detector PRNV 1"
> > I have one at the moment, but use stereo input signals a lot. Also,
> > I'd like to plug both a
> > guitar and a microphone into the system simultaneously, and having two
> > PRNV's would
> > mean I can do this without bringing a mixing desk along.
> >
> > New Timbral Oscillator NTO 3"
> > An obvious addition: I love the NTO, and my current four-panel system
> > has only one
> >
> > Ring Modulator RING 1"
> > Present in the current system, but used so much in so many ways that
> > I'd like a second
> > one
> >
> > Wave Multiplier VCM 2"
> > again: Present in the current system, but used so much in so many ways
> > that I'd like a
> > second one
> >
> > Triple Waveshaper TWS 2"
> > This one I'm not so sure of. I'd love feedback from some other users
> > as to how versatile
> > these are for audio processing. All the catalogue says is that it "can
> > transform a sawtooth
> > wave into a sine wave", or something equally unspectacular. What else
> > does this do? How
> > does it sound on external audio?
> >
> > Variable Bandwidth Filter VCF2 2"
> > I'm curious about this one. With the VCF2 added I'd have one of every
> > filter in my system
> > (considering the VCFQ and the VCFQX are essentially the same, I have
> > the latter)
> >
> > Resonant Equalizer EQ 2"
> > again: I'd like a second one, I use this in almost every patch
> >
> > X Fader XFAD 1"
> > Another one I'd love to hear some comments on. I have a UAP, which can
> > be used as a
> > crossfader, but I've noticed a slew/glide in its response. In other
> > words, when I want to
> > quickly switch (rather than fade smoothly) between two signals, the
> > response isn't quick
> > enough. The question is whether the XFAD can do real instantaneous
> > "jump-cuts" between
> > two signals without a noticeable glide, with the right CV applied (a
> > gate from the TKB or a
> > slow square wave, for example).
> >
> > Active Processor AP 1"
> > What exactly sets the AP apart from the XFAD? Does the Active
> > Processor allow for
> > instantaneous, lag-free, jump-cuts between the two input signals?
> > If the XFAD and AP have a similar lag/slew in the crossfade transition
> > as the UAP, I might
> > ask Rex if he can make me a Triple Voltage Controlled Switch instead,
> > which was dropped
> > from the catalogue at some point, mostly because of clicks in the
> > audio during the
> > switching.
> >
> > ÷N Comparator NCOM 1"
> > Seems like a good idea, for PWM and audio division, among other things
> >
> > Total: 16"
> >
> > Thanks for any input about the selection/layout!
> > Thomas
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> m/n/m/l
> surreal electronic music, sound, noise
> http://www.mnmlnoise.com
>

>
> Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers, too. The EQ is
> brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid opinion on, and I
> have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The NCOM is great, too,

> so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll be getting
> another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.

> But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn't be able to get on a
> shop panel, or in a practical combination with other modules? How about a
> Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does anyone have either?

>
> The XFAD might not give you that hard quick "left/right" thing your looking for,
> if i'm reading you correctly. Same with the ACPR.

> I like the TWS more than the VCM but that's just a matter of taste. You don't have that
> many OSC so i'm not sure why you would want more than one VCM, as just that one is
> capable of serious sonic damage all by itself.

> Personally i found mixing and cross fading to be the heart of a good Serge system. . .
> this
> opinion is shared by Rex also. A couple of XFADs and a QUO with a DCM or the four
> channel mixer with a MIX2 is a good combo.

> Also not sure how much bang for the buck your going to get from another RING.

> The VCF2 was my favorite filter combined with the EQ. Again, you need good mixing
> capabilities to take advantage of the combination. Chris Sawyer did a wonderful little
> break down of the advantages of mixing and crossfading a few years back after i sold >

> a panel that had a matrix mixer and some XFADs and a few QUOs. He was rather

> For my own taste i would add a couple of PDIVs and a couple ASRs.

> That would make

> So put in a couple of PDIV(2)/ASR(2)/RING/VCF2/MIX2/XFAD/QUO/TWS/DCSM
> prepare to rock out.
> I had a Schmidt trigger at one time but could never get the hang of it.
> But in the end it all depends on what your trying to do.
> If your into straight ahead audio twisting/warping, then the above might tweak your

> extra NTO and PRNV.

> With what you have already you could put just about anthing together and it would be a

> jduval
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@...>
> Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers, too. The EQ is brilliant, and the

> But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn't be able to get on a shop

>
>
> On 5/29/07, John P <johnp299792@...> wrote:
> It sounds like you know you what you want pretty well...
> just out of curiousity what makes you like the NTO?
>
> Also I think the Triple Waveshaper is 3 VC waveshapers like what you
> have in the NTO...
> taking a sawtooth to a sine or a pulse. It's been a while since I
> played with one but
> you can get all sorts of interesting stuff out of it... a great
> compliment to the VCM. You can feed just about anything into it (not
> just a sawtooth)... just plug shit in and hear what it does!
>
> riluttante wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > After receiving the news that STS will stop production of custom
> > panels on June 1st, I'm
> > quickly making up my mind about ordering a custom panel to round out
> > my current
> > system (Blue Voice, Blue CV, Soup Kitchen, TKB). I'd basically like to
> > get one additional
> > panel featuring some of my favorite modules so I have two of them,
> > plus some things that
> > aren't present in my current system. I'd really appreciate any
> > comments about this module
> > selection and the individual functionality, thanks!
> >
> > Here's what I had in mind:
> >
> > Preamp Detector PRNV 1"
> > I have one at the moment, but use stereo input signals a lot. Also,
> > I'd like to plug both a
> > guitar and a microphone into the system simultaneously, and having two
> > PRNV's would
> > mean I can do this without bringing a mixing desk along.
> >
> > New Timbral Oscillator NTO 3"
> > An obvious addition: I love the NTO, and my current four-panel system
> > has only one
> >
> > Ring Modulator RING 1"
> > Present in the current system, but used so much in so many ways that
> > I'd like a second
> > one
> >
> > Wave Multiplier VCM 2"
> > again: Present in the current system, but used so much in so many ways
> > that I'd like a
> > second one
> >
> > Triple Waveshaper TWS 2"
> > This one I'm not so sure of. I'd love feedback from some other users
> > as to how versatile
> > these are for audio processing. All the catalogue says is that it "can
> > transform a sawtooth
> > wave into a sine wave", or something equally unspectacular. What else
> > does this do? How
> > does it sound on external audio?
> >
> > Variable Bandwidth Filter VCF2 2"
> > I'm curious about this one. With the VCF2 added I'd have one of every
> > filter in my system
> > (considering the VCFQ and the VCFQX are essentially the same, I have
> > the latter)
> >
> > Resonant Equalizer EQ 2"
> > again: I'd like a second one, I use this in almost every patch
> >
> > X Fader XFAD 1"
> > Another one I'd love to hear some comments on. I have a UAP, which can
> > be used as a
> > crossfader, but I've noticed a slew/glide in its response. In other
> > words, when I want to
> > quickly switch (rather than fade smoothly) between two signals, the
> > response isn't quick
> > enough. The question is whether the XFAD can do real instantaneous
> > "jump-cuts" between
> > two signals without a noticeable glide, with the right CV applied (a
> > gate from the TKB or a
> > slow square wave, for example).
> >
> > Active Processor AP 1"
> > What exactly sets the AP apart from the XFAD? Does the Active
> > Processor allow for
> > instantaneous, lag-free, jump-cuts between the two input signals?
> > If the XFAD and AP have a similar lag/slew in the crossfade transition
> > as the UAP, I might
> > ask Rex if he can make me a Triple Voltage Controlled Switch instead,
> > which was dropped
> > from the catalogue at some point, mostly because of clicks in the
> > audio during the
> > switching.
> >
> > ÷N Comparator NCOM 1"
> > Seems like a good idea, for PWM and audio division, among other things
> >
> > Total: 16"
> >
> > Thanks for any input about the selection/layout!
> > Thomas
> >
> >
>
> --
> m/n/m/l
> surreal electronic music, sound, noise
> http://www.mnmlnoise.com
>

On 5/30/07, riluttante <riluttante@...> wrote:

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
wrote:
>
> Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers, too. The EQ is
> brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid opinion on, and I
> have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The NCOM is great, too,

Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard jump-cut, with no audible "fade"
between the signals, when used with audio?
Or does nobody use the AP with audio?

> so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll be getting
> another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.

So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?

> But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn't be able to get on a
> shop panel, or in a practical combination with other modules? How about a
> Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does anyone have either?

Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know them. I don't have a particular
need for either of those modules, I think, but you're right in that if you'd want to own one,
you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way I'm ordering another
complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave Multiplier and EQ.

>
> How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter take?
> The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.

> So you're saying they both have a slight lag to them, an audible
> "fade" between the two input signals no matter how steep the slope
> of the CV is?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@...>

How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter take? The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.

On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com> wrote:

I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll let you know if it'll do a jump cut.

Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short notice!

Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will we? All of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new shop panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make my decision more easily.

On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@gmail. com> wrote:

--- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
wrote:
>
> Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers, too. The EQ is
> brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid opinion on, and I
> have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The NCOM is great, too,

Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard jump-cut, with no audible "fade"
between the signals, when used with audio?
Or does nobody use the AP with audio?

> so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll be getting
> another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.

So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?

> But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn't be able to get on a
> shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther modules? How about a
> Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does anyone have either?

Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know them. I don't have a particular
need for either of those modules, I think, but you're right in that if you'd want to own one,
you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way I'm ordering another
complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave Multiplier and EQ.

Right, John, thank you.

Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other three:

PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM / STR / DCSM

I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee picking up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So, the panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't unnecessarily duplicate something.

Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the FRS with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like the non-ext. carrier version?

On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@ comcast.net <darkstr1746@ comcast.net> wrote:

All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being taken up by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules. That horse has been beat to death for years. The shop panels configuration is set.Anything else is custom and will probably stay that way.

The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make the phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal is on an individual basis.

jduval

------------ -- Original message ------------ --
From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>

How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter take? The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.

On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com> wrote:

I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll let you know if it'll do a jump cut.

Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short notice!

Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will we? All of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new shop panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make my decision more easily.

On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@gmail. com > wrote:

--- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
wrote:
>
> Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers, too. The EQ is
> brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid opinion on, and I
> have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The NCOM is great, too,

Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard jump-cut, with no audible "fade"
between the signals, when used with audio?
Or does nobody use the AP with audio?

> so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll be getting
> another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.

So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?

> But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn't be able to get on a
> shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther modules? How about a
> Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does anyone have either?

Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know them. I don't have a particular
need for either of those modules, I think, but you're right in that if you'd want to own one,
you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way I'm ordering another
complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave Multiplier and EQ.

>
> I think the two individual boards of a Dual ADSR can be stacked
> on top of each other in just 1"

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@...>

Right, John, thank you.

Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other three:

PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM / STR / DCSM

I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee picking up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So, the panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't unnecessarily duplicate something.

Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the FRS with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like the non-ext. carrier version?

On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@ comcast.net <darkstr1746@ comcast.net> wrote:

All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being taken up by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules. That horse has been beat to death for years. The shop panels configuration is set.Anything else is custom and will probably stay that way.

The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make the phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal is on an individual basis.

jduval

------------ -- Original message ------------ --
From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>

How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter take? The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.

On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com> wrote:

I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll let you know if it'll do a jump cut.

Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short notice!

Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will we? All of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new shop panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make my decision more easily.

On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@gmail. com > wrote:

--- In SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
wrote:
>
> Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers, too. The EQ is
> brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid opinion on, and I
> have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The NCOM is great, too,

Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard jump-cut, with no audible "fade"
between the signals, when used with audio?
Or does nobody use the AP with audio?

> so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll be getting
> another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.

So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?

> But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn 't be able to get on a
> shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther modules? How about a
> Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does anyone have either?

Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know them. I don't have a particular
need for either of those modules, I think, but you're right in that if you'd want to own one,
you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way I'm ordering another
complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave Multiplier and EQ.

On May 30, 2007, at 11:41 PM, matthew carpenter wrote:

> Haha, no no. Sorry, I hijacked this thread and now you're confusing me
> with the other guy. I hope he doesn't feel left out! There's just so
> little time to decide!
>
> I have the three panel system I posted pics of and was looking at a
> panel that's comprised of a few things from the Soup Kitchen. My
> future plans were two custom panels with a mix of sequencing and
> effects but that ain't gonna happen, now.
>
> Do you, or any other list members have experience with the ext.
> carrier version of the Frequency Shifter? (Yep, I've read the entire
> history of this list and search the archives for comments on specific
> modules from time to time)
>
> And, yeah, I did learn a thing or two from the rise and fall of the
> Fist, John, don't worry!
>
> I thought I'd take the liberty of making this THE 'final custom panel'
> thread -- sorry!
>
> My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
>
> NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG (w/ sig
> ins) / VCFQ(X) / UAP
>
> BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
>
> NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
>
> I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so this last
> custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have covered,
> already:
>
> PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM / DCSM
>
> I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you can't get
> one anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for a VCM.
> Anyway, that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I already have
> a 2PHA and I'm thinking of going for the ext. carrier version of the
> Frequency Shifter, which it doesn't seem like either of the SK's use.
> So, the VCM and QUO spots are up for grabs, pretty much, and IMO, you
> can't have enough scaling buffers or mixers.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... <darkstr1746@... >
> wrote:So it looks like your going to have two FRS and two WADs???
> sonic damage abounds!! hahaha. With that set up, i personally don't
> see any benifit by adding the BUFF and STR. But that's just my opinion
> based on how i used that configuration. Others who are more
> knowledgable with that module might shed some light. Not sure about
> the NCOM in conjunction with that panel but it might fit in with the
> othe panels better. One thing i learned from hard experience was that
> when at all possible you should stick with "like functioning" modules
> in one panel. I made several panels that when used with my system as
> it was then were quite functional and made sense but when looked at as
> "stand alones" were a complete train wreck and exceedingly hard to
> sell later on. Just a word of wisdom.
>> So choose wisely Grasshoppa : )
>> kind regards
>>
>> jduval
>>
>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Right, John, thank you.
>>>
>>> Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other three:
>>>
>>> PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM / STR /
>>> DCSM
>>>
>>> I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee picking
>>> up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So, the
>>> panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't unnecessarily
>>> duplicate something.
>>>
>>> Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the FRS
>>> with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like the
>>> non-ext. carrier version?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... < darkstr1746@...>
>>> wrote: All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being taken up
>>> by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules. That
>>> horse has been beat to death for years. The shop panels
>>> configuration is set.Anything else is custom and will probably stay
>>> that way.
>>>> The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make the
>>>> phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal is on an
>>>> individual basis.
>>>> jduval
>>>>
>>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter take?
>>>>> The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@...>
>>>>> wrote: I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll let
>>>>> you know if it'll do a jump cut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short
>>>>>> notice!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain
>>>>>> modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will we? All
>>>>>> of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new shop
>>>>>> panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do
>>>>>> individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more
>>>>>> forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make my
>>>>>> decision more easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@... > wrote: --- In
>>>>>> SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter"
>>>>>> <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers, too.
>>>>>>> The EQ is
>>>>>>> > brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid opinion
>>>>>>> on, and I
>>>>>>> > have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The NCOM
>>>>>>> is great, too,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard jump-cut,
>>>>>>> with no audible "fade"
>>>>>>> between the signals, when used with audio?
>>>>>>> Or does nobody use the AP with audio?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll be
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> > another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn 't be
>>>>>>> able to get on a
>>>>>>> > shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther modules?
>>>>>>> How about a
>>>>>>> > Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does anyone
>>>>>>> have either?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know
>>>>>>> them. I don't have a particular
>>>>>>> need for either of those modules, I think, but you're right in
>>>>>>> that if you'd want to own one,
>>>>>>> you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way I'm
>>>>>>> ordering another
>>>>>>> complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave Multiplier
>>>>>>> and EQ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

> My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
>
> NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG (w/
> sig ins) / VCFQ(X) / UAP
>
> BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
>
> NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
>
> I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so this
> last custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have
> covered, already:
>
> PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM / DCSM
>
> I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you can't
> get one anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for
> a VCM. Anyway, that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I
> already have a 2PHA and I'm thinking of going for the ext. carrier
> version of the Frequency Shifter, which it doesn't seem like
> either of the SK's use. So, the VCM and QUO spots are up for
> grabs, pretty much, and IMO, you can't have enough scaling buffers
> or mixers.

On 5/30/07, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:

Matthew, - what about a quantizer if you're going to get a tkb or
sequencer panel later ?


I was also in the process of planning a custom panel
when Rex's mail dropped, - so i've just ordered it before the deadline.
I'd been planning and giving it a lot of thought for some time now,
so i'm pretty confident that it's the layout i want - but i'd still
like all you fellow sergers comments and advice.

what i've ordered:

QUAN(tkb) - PCO - NCOM - PDIV - RS - SSG - CVPRO - DSG - ADSR

what i've already got:

panel #1:

PNRV - NTO - PCO - RING - VCM - AMX - VCFQX - DTG - UAP

panel #2:

FRS - CM - EQ - MAX - PRC - SPRC - 2VCA

panel #3

SEQ8 - DUAL ASR - ACPR - DTG - BLOG - SQP4

I mean to get a TKB later, hence the QUAN for tkb.

What do you think should be different in the new panel ?
I like to use my serge equally for processing external sources, noise
sculpture and regular synth stuff.


Kim

http://www.antenne.suite.dk

On May 30, 2007, at 11:41 PM, matthew carpenter wrote:

> Haha, no no. Sorry, I hijacked this thread and now you're confusing me
> with the other guy. I hope he doesn't feel left out! There's just so
> little time to decide!
>
> I have the three panel system I posted pics of and was looking at a
> panel that's comprised of a few things from the Soup Kitchen. My
> future plans were two custom panels with a mix of sequencing and
> effects but that ain't gonna happen, now.
>
> Do you, or any other list members have experience with the ext.
> carrier version of the Frequency Shifter? (Yep, I've read the entire
> history of this list and search the archives for comments on specific
> modules from time to time)
>
> And, yeah, I did learn a thing or two from the rise and fall of the
> Fist, John, don't worry!
>
> I thought I'd take the liberty of making this THE 'final custom panel'
> thread -- sorry!
>
> My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
>
> NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG (w/ sig
> ins) / VCFQ(X) / UAP
>
> BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
>
> NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
>
> I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so this last
> custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have covered,
> already:
>
> PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM / DCSM
>
> I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you can't get
> one anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for a VCM.
> Anyway, that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I already have
> a 2PHA and I'm thinking of going for the ext. carrier version of the
> Frequency Shifter, which it doesn't seem like either of the SK's use.
> So, the VCM and QUO spots are up for grabs, pretty much, and IMO, you
> can't have enough scaling buffers or mixers.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... <darkstr1746@... >
> wrote:So it looks like your going to have two FRS and two WADs???
> sonic damage abounds!! hahaha. With that set up, i personally don't
> see any benifit by adding the BUFF and STR. But that's just my opinion
> based on how i used that configuration. Others who are more
> knowledgable with that module might shed some light. Not sure about
> the NCOM in conjunction with that panel but it might fit in with the
> othe panels better. One thing i learned from hard experience was that
> when at all possible you should stick with "like functioning" modules
> in one panel. I made several panels that when used with my system as
> it was then were quite functional and made sense but when looked at as
> "stand alones" were a complete train wreck and exceedingly hard to
> sell later on. Just a word of wisdom.
>> So choose wisely Grasshoppa : )
>> kind regards
>>
>> jduval
>>
>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Right, John, thank you.
>>>
>>> Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other three:
>>>
>>> PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM / STR /
>>> DCSM
>>>
>>> I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee picking
>>> up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So, the
>>> panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't unnecessarily
>>> duplicate something.
>>>
>>> Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the FRS
>>> with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like the
>>> non-ext. carrier version?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... < darkstr1746@... >
>>> wrote: All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being taken up
>>> by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules. That
>>> horse has been beat to death for years. The shop panels
>>> configuration is set.Anything else is custom and will probably stay
>>> that way.
>>>> The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make the
>>>> phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal is on an
>>>> individual basis.
>>>> jduval
>>>>
>>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>>> From: "matthew carpenter" < matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter take?
>>>>> The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@...>
>>>>> wrote: I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll let
>>>>> you know if it'll do a jump cut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short
>>>>>> notice!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain
>>>>>> modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will we? All
>>>>>> of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new shop
>>>>>> panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do
>>>>>> individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more
>>>>>> forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make my
>>>>>> decision more easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@... > wrote: --- In
>>>>>> SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter"
>>>>>> <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers, too.
>>>>>>> The EQ is
>>>>>>> > brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid opinion
>>>>>>> on, and I
>>>>>>> > have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The NCOM
>>>>>>> is great, too,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard jump-cut,
>>>>>>> with no audible "fade"
>>>>>>> between the signals, when used with audio?
>>>>>>> Or does nobody use the AP with audio?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll be
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> > another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn 't be
>>>>>>> able to get on a
>>>>>>> > shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther modules?
>>>>>>> How about a
>>>>>>> > Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does anyone
>>>>>>> have either?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know
>>>>>>> them. I don't have a particular
>>>>>>> need for either of those modules, I think, but you're right in
>>>>>>> that if you'd want to own one,
>>>>>>> you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way I'm
>>>>>>> ordering another
>>>>>>> complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave Multiplier
>>>>>>> and EQ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@...>

Well, I haven't had a use for a quantizer. I would rather use the space for something like a Boolean Logic or Schmitt Trigger. I'm interested in creating very stupid artificial intelligence or something like that. That, and having all of the Serge manglers and filters! That's what you're lacking. That's an interesting and very nice selection. How is the matrix mixer? I just noticed that you have the VCFQ(X) and EQ but no VCF2 or VCFS. Maybe your Filter is my Quantizer?

On 5/30/07, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...2. dk> wrote:

Matthew, - what about a quantizer if you're going to get a tkb or
sequencer panel later ?


I was also in the process of planning a custom panel
when Rex's mail dropped, - so i've just ordered it before the deadline.
I'd been planning and giving it a lot of thought for some time now,
so i'm pretty confident that it's the layout i want - but i'd still
like all you fellow sergers comments and advice.

what i've ordered:

QUAN(tkb) - PCO - NCOM - PDIV - RS - SSG - CVPRO - DSG - ADSR

what i've already got:

panel #1:

PNRV - NTO - PCO - RING - VCM - AMX - VCFQX - DTG - UAP

panel #2:

FRS - CM - EQ - MAX - PRC - SPRC - 2VCA

panel #3

SEQ8 - DUAL ASR - ACPR - DTG - BLOG - SQP4

I mean to get a TKB later, hence the QUAN for tkb.

What do you think should be different in the new panel ?
I like to use my serge equall y for processing external sources, noise
sculpture and regular synth stuff.


Kim

http://www.antenne. suite.dk

On May 30, 2007, at 11:41 PM, matthew carpenter wrote:

> Haha, no no. Sorry, I hijacked this thread and now you're confusing me
> with the other guy. I hope he doesn't feel left out! There's just so
> little time to decide!
>
> I have the three panel system I posted pics of and was looking at a
> panel that's comprised of a few things from the Soup Kitchen. My
> future plans were two custom panels with a mix of sequencing and
> effects but that ain't gonna happen, now.
>
> Do you, or any other list members have experience with the ext.
> carrier version of the Frequency Shifter? (Yep, I've read the entire
> history of this list and search the archives for comments on specific
> modules from time to time)
>
& gt; And, yeah, I did learn a thing or two from the rise and fall of the
> Fist, John, don't worry!
>
> I thought I'd take the liberty of making this THE 'final custom panel'
> thread -- sorry!
>
> My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
>
> NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG (w/ sig
> ins) / VCFQ(X) / UAP
>
> BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
>
> NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
>
> I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so this last
> custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have covered,
> already:
>
> PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM / DCSM
>
> I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you can't get
> one anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for a VCM.
> Anyway, that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I already have
> a 2PHA and I'm thinking of going for the ext. carrier version of the
> Frequency Shifter, which it doesn't seem like either of the SK's use.
> So, the VCM and QUO spots are up for grabs, pretty much, and IMO, you
> can't have enough scaling buffers or mixers.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@ comcast.net <darkstr1746@ comcast.net >
> wrote:So it looks like your going to have two FRS and two WADs???
> sonic damage abounds!! hahaha. With that set up, i personally don't
> see any benifit by adding the BUFF and STR. But that's just my opinion
> based on how i used that configuration. Others who are more
> knowledgable with that module might shed some light. Not sure about
> the NCOM in conjunction with that panel b ut it might fit in with the
> othe panels better. One thing i learned from hard experience was that
> when at all possible you should stick with "like functioning" modules
> in one panel. I made several panels that when used with my system as
> it was then were quite functional and made sense but when looked at as
> "stand alones" were a complete train wreck and exceedingly hard to
> sell later on. Just a word of wisdom.
>> So choose wisely Grasshoppa : )
>> kind regards
>>
>> jduval
>>
>>> ------------ -- Original message ------------ --
>>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Right, John, thank you.
>>>
>>> Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other three:
>>>
>>> PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM / STR /
>>> DCSM
>>>
>>> I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee picking
>>> up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So, the
>>> panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't unnecessarily
>>> duplicate something.
>>>
>>> Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the FRS
>>> with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like the
>>> non-ext. carrier version?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@ comcast.net < darkstr1746@ comcast.net >
>>> wrote: All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being taken up
>>> by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules. That
>>> horse has been beat to d eath for years. The shop panels
>>> configuration is set.Anything else is custom and will probably stay
>>> that way.
>>>> The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make the
>>>> phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal is on an
>>>> individual basis.
>>>> jduval
>>>>
>>>>> ------------ -- Original message ------------ --
>>>>> From: "matthew carpenter" < matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter take?
>>>>> The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@ g mail.com>
>>>>> wrote: I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll let
>>>>> you know if it'll do a jump cut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short
>>>>>> notice!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain
>>>>>> modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will we? All
>>>>>> of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new shop
>>>>>> panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do
>>>>>> individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more
>>>>>> forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make my
>>>>>> decision more easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> ;>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@gmail. com > wrote: --- In
>>>>>> SergeModular@ yahoogroups. com, "matthew carpenter"
>>>>>> <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers, too.
>>>>>>> The EQ is
>>>>>>> > brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid opinion
>>>>>>> on, and I
>>>>>>> > have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The NCOM
>>>>>>> is great, too,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard jump-cut,
>>>>>>> with no audible "fade"
>>>>>>> between the signals, when used with audio?
>>>>>>> Or does nobody use the AP with audio?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll be
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> > another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn 't be
>>>>>>> able to get on a
>>>>>>> > shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther modules?
>>>>>>> How about a
>>>>>>> > Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dua l Schmitt Trigger? Does anyone
>>>>>>> have either?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know
>>>>>>> them. I don't have a particular
>>>>>>> need for either of those modules, I think, but you're right in
>>>>>>> that if you'd want to own one,
>>>>>>> you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way I'm
>>>>>>> ordering another
>>>>>>> complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave Multiplier
>>>>>>> and EQ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

>
> I know I've done "hard switching" between two ACPR inputs using
> the Sequencer in the past. I'll try again tonight using a DSG if
> I can find the time and report back.

> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "paradigmshiftbeats"
> <paradigmshiftbeats@...> wrote:
> >
> > I know I've done "hard switching" between two ACPR inputs using
> > the Sequencer in the past. I'll try again tonight using a DSG if
> > I can find the time and report back.
>
> I checked this tonight and can confirm that the hard switching is
> achievable possible using the gate output of a cycled DSG/DTG. No
> audible slewing, and in fact this switching works effectively even
> when being driven by audio rate modulation from the DSG, producing
> nice Fm/sideband effects!
>
> Chris
>
>

>
> I asked Rex once about using a QUO with the FRS(X). He indicated there is a significant

>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "riluttante" <riluttante@>
> wrote:
> > So you're saying they both have a slight lag to them, an audible
> > "fade" between the two input signals no matter how steep the slope
> > of the CV is?
>
> I think what you're experiencing in the UAP is its equal-power
> curve, not a lag on the voltage per se. I frequently use my ACPR

> with audio and don't have any complaints. You lose a built-in VCA,
> but if you simply want to fade waveforms/filter outputs, vary the
> depth/source of feedback loops, etc, then it works quite well. I
> know I've done "hard switching" between two ACPR inputs using the
> Sequencer in the past. I'll try again tonight using a DSG if I can
> find the time and report back.
>
> What CV sources have you been using to attempt this with your UAP;
> perhaps the waveform you're putting in is not completely square?

>
> Also, as I said initially the equal-power curve may be affecting
> your ear's perception of the fade of two audio signals. I had a
> conversation with Rex once in which I commented that I generally
> prefer the "linear" fade of the ACPR to the UAP. In the wonderful
> manner that Rex does, he spent the next five minutes explaining in
> detail why the ACPR fade is in fact NOT linear. My recollection is
> that the layman's version of Serge fading is something like this:
>
> linear fade = x
> ACPR = x^2
> UAP = x^3
>
> Maybe someone with actual technical expertise can better elaborate.
> In any case, you may find the effect you're seeking is more easily
> achieved using the ACPR's "x-squared" approach.

>
> Hope this helps!
> Chris
>

>
> I also tried it last night and found that
> the switching is audible - albeit subtly so.
> I tried recording and looking at the result
> in a waveform editor. It seemed there was a
> minimum crossfade time of up to 30-40 ms.
> However from looking at the waveform it seems the major
> part of the crossfade is over after about 5-10 ms.
>
> actually i like that my acpr has this "slew"
> Its nice and musical instead of the clicks and distortion
> that i think a near-instant crossfade would impart to
> the sound.

>
> apples and oranges, as always.
>
> Kim
>
>
> Citat paradigmshiftbeats <paradigmshiftbeats@...>:
>
> > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "paradigmshiftbeats"
> > <paradigmshiftbeats@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know I've done "hard switching" between two ACPR inputs using
> > > the Sequencer in the past. I'll try again tonight using a DSG if
> > > I can find the time and report back.
> >
> > I checked this tonight and can confirm that the hard switching is
> > achievable possible using the gate output of a cycled DSG/DTG. No
> > audible slewing, and in fact this switching works effectively even
> > when being driven by audio rate modulation from the DSG, producing
> > nice Fm/sideband effects!
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>

>
> Haha, no no. Sorry, I hijacked this thread and now you're confusing me with
> the other guy. I hope he doesn't feel left out! There's just so little time
> to decide!
>
> I have the three panel system I posted pics of and was looking at a panel
> that's comprised of a few things from the Soup Kitchen. My future plans were
> two custom panels with a mix of sequencing and effects but that ain't gonna
> happen, now.
>
> Do you, or any other list members have experience with the ext. carrier
> version of the Frequency Shifter? (Yep, I've read the entire history of this
> list and search the archives for comments on specific modules from time to
> time)
>
> And, yeah, I did learn a thing or two from the rise and fall of the Fist,
> John, don't worry!
>
> I thought I'd take the liberty of making this THE 'final custom panel'
> thread -- sorry!
>
> My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
>
> NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG (w/ sig ins) /
> VCFQ(X) / UAP
>
> BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
>
> NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
>
> I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so this last
> custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have covered, already:
>
> PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM / DCSM
>
> I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you can't get one
> anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for a VCM. Anyway,
> that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I already have a 2PHA and I'm
> thinking of going for the ext. carrier version of the Frequency Shifter,
> which it doesn't seem like either of the SK's use. So, the VCM and QUO spots
> are up for grabs, pretty much, and IMO, you can't have enough scaling
> buffers or mixers.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... <darkstr1746@...> wrote:
> >
> > So it looks like your going to have two FRS and two WADs??? sonic
> > damage abounds!! hahaha. With that set up, i personally don't see any
> > benifit by adding the BUFF and STR. But that's just my opinion based on how
> > i used that configuration. Others who are more knowledgable with that module
> > might shed some light. Not sure about the NCOM in conjunction with that
> > panel but it might fit in with the othe panels better. One thing i learned
> > from hard experience was that when at all possible you should stick with
> > "like functioning" modules in one panel. I made several panels that when
> > used with my system as it was then were quite functional and made sense but
> > when looked at as "stand alones" were a complete train wreck and exceedingly
> > hard to sell later on. Just a word of wisdom.
> > So choose wisely Grasshoppa : )
> > kind regards
> > jduval
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@...>
> >
> > Right, John, thank you.
> >
> > Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other three:
> >
> > PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM / STR / DCSM
> >
> > I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee picking up in
> > the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So, the panel above is
> > in keeping with those plans so I don't unnecessarily duplicate something.
> >
> > Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the FRS with
> > external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like the non-ext.
> > carrier version?
> >
> >
> > On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... <darkstr1746@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being taken up by the
> > > CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules. That horse has been
> > > beat to death for years. The shop panels configuration is set.Anythingelse is custom

> > > The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make the phone
> > > call. Check out his head space and see what the deal is on an individual
> > > basis.
> > > jduval
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
> > >
> > > How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter take? The
> > > table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.
> > >
> > > On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll let you know
> > > > if it'll do a jump cut.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short notice!
> > > >
> > > > Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain modules
> > > > that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will we? All of this raises more
> > > > questions such as: Will there be new shop panels with different
> > > > configurations? Is Rex going to do individual modules? Answers to these
> > > > questions may be more forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me
> > > > make my decision more easily.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@... > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com<SergeModular%

> > > > > "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers, too. The
> > > > > EQ is
> > > > > > brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid opinion on,
> > > > > and I
> > > > > > have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The NCOM is
> > > > > great, too,
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard jump-cut, with
> > > > > no audible "fade"
> > > > > between the signals, when used with audio?
> > > > > Or does nobody use the AP with audio?
> > > > >
> > > > > > so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll be
> > > > > getting
> > > > > > another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?
> > > > >
> > > > > > But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn 't be able
> > > > > to get on a
> > > > > > shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther modules? How
> > > > > about a
> > > > > > Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does anyone
> > > > > have either?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know them. I
> > > > > don't have a particular
> > > > > need for either of those modules, I think, but you're right in that
> > > > > if you'd want to own one,
> > > > > you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way I'm
> > > > > ordering another
> > > > > complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave Multiplier and
> > > > > EQ.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

On May 31, 2007, at 3:15 AM, darkstr1746@... wrote:

> Your going to love the Quan. I used my Quantizer on control voltages
> mostly. I did several recordings quantizing the output of a SSG. Also
> used that approach on the output of a DTG and playing the DTG controls
> manual wise. Paleozoic Twilight is a good example of this approach. It
> may sound like i'm doing shamless plugging but really i'm not. The
> disc is quite ancient by now has minimal interest. But for specific
> module uses it is a good example. John P has done some outstanding
> work that features a handful of modules used in interesting ways.
> Your latest custom layout looks like something i would have done. I
> consider it a good addition to what you already have.
> I'm not involved in Serge world anymore but i love to see what kinds
> of systems people are putting together. It gives a good indication of
> where they are headed musically. Hope y'all don't mind an occassional
> two cents from an old guy.
> kind regards
> jduval
>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@...>
>>
>> Well, I haven't had a use for a quantizer. I would rather use the
>> space for something like a Boolean Logic or Schmitt Trigger. I'm
>> interested in creating very stupid artificial intelligence or
>> something like that. That, and having all of the Serge manglers and
>> filters! That's what you're lacking. That's an interesting and very
>> nice selection. How is the matrix mixer? I just noticed that you have
>> the VCFQ(X) and EQ but no VCF2 or VCFS. Maybe your Filter is my
>> Quantizer?
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/07, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote: Matthew, - what
>> about a quantizer if you're going to get a tkb or
>>> sequencer panel later ?
>>>
>>>
>>> I was also in the process of planning a custom panel
>>> when Rex's mail dropped, - so i've just ordered it before the
>>> deadline.
>>> I'd been planning and giving it a lot of thought for some time now,
>>> so i'm pretty confident that it's the layout i want - but i'd still
>>> like all you fellow sergers comments and advice.
>>>
>>> what i've ordered:
>>>
>>> QUAN(tkb) - PCO - NCOM - PDIV - RS - SSG - CVPRO - DSG - ADSR
>>>
>>> what i've already got:
>>>
>>> panel #1:
>>>
>>> PNRV - NTO - PCO - RING - VCM - AMX - VCFQX - DTG - UAP
>>>
>>> panel #2:
>>>
>>> FRS - CM - EQ - MAX - PRC - SPRC - 2VCA
>>>
>>> panel #3
>>>
>>> SEQ8 - DUAL ASR - ACPR - DTG - BLOG - SQP4
>>>
>>> I mean to get a TKB later, hence the QUAN for tkb.
>>>
>>> What do you think should be different in the new panel ?
>>> I like to use my ser ge equall y for processing external sources,
>>> noise
>>> sculpture and regular synth stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kim
>>>
>>> http://www.antenne.suite.dk
>>>
>>> On May 30, 2007, at 11:41 PM, matthew carpenter wrote:
>>>
>>> > Haha, no no. Sorry, I hijacked this thread and now you're
>>> confusing me
>>> > with the other guy. I hope he doesn't feel left out! There's just
>>> so
>>> > little time to decide!
>>> >
>>> > I have the three panel system I posted pics of and was looking at a
>>> > panel that's comprised of a few things from the Soup Kitchen. My
>>> > future plans were two custom panels with a mix of sequencing and
>>> > effects but that ain't gonna happen, now.
>>> >
>>> > Do you, or any other list members have experience with the ext.
>>> > carrier version of the Frequency Shifter? (Yep, I've read the
>>> entire
>>> > history of this list and search the archives for comments on
>>> specific
>>> > modules from time to time)
>>> > ;
>>> gt; And, yeah, I did learn a thing or two from the rise and fall of
>>> the
>>> > Fist, John, don't worry!
>>> >
>>> > I thought I'd take the liberty of making this THE 'final custom
>>> panel'
>>> > thread -- sorry!
>>> >
>>> > My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
>>> >
>>> > NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG (w/
>>> sig
>>> > ins) / VCFQ(X) / UAP
>>> >
>>> > BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
>>> >
>>> > NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
>>> >
>>> > I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so this
>>> last
>>> > custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have covered,
>>> > already:
>>> >
>>> > PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM / DCSM
>>> >
>>> > I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you can't
>>> get
>>> > one anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for a V
>>> CM.
>>> > Anyway, that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I already
>>> have
>>> > a 2PHA and I'm thinking of going for the ext. carrier version of
>>> the
>>> > Frequency Shifter, which it doesn't seem like either of the SK's
>>> use.
>>> > So, the VCM and QUO spots are up for grabs, pretty much, and IMO,
>>> you
>>> > can't have enough scaling buffers or mixers.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... <darkstr1746@... >
>>> > wrote:So it looks like your going to have two FRS and two WADs???
>>> > sonic damage abounds!! hahaha. With that set up, i personally don't
>>> > see any benifit by adding the BUFF and STR. But that's just my
>>> opinion
>>> > based on how i used that configuration. Others who are more
>>> > knowledgable with that module might shed some light. Not sure about
>>> > the NCOM in conjunction with that panel b ut it might fit in with
>>> the
>>> > othe panels better. One thing i learned from hard experience was
>>> that
>>> > when at all possible you should stick with "like functioning"
>>> modules
>>> > in one panel. I made several panels that when used with my system
>>> as
>>> > it was then were quite functional and made sense but when looked
>>> at as
>>> > "stand alones" were a complete train wreck and exceedingly hard to
>>> > sell later on. Just a word of wisdom.
>>> >> So choose wisely Grasshoppa : )
>>> >> kind regards
>>> >>
>>> >> jduval
>>> >>
>>> >>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>> >>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Right, John, thank you.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other
>>> three:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM / STR
>>> /
>>> >>> DCSM
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee picking
>>> >>> up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So, the
>>> >>> panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't
>>> unnecessarily
>>> >>> duplicate something.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the FRS
>>> >>> with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like
>>> the
>>> >>> non-ext. carrier version?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... < darkstr1746@... >
>>> >>> wrote: All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being taken
>>> up
>>> >>> by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules.
>>> That
>>> >>> horse has been bea t to d eath for years. The shop panels
>>> >>> configuration is set.Anything else is custom and will probably
>>> stay
>>> >>> that way.
>>> >>>> The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make the
>>> >>>> phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal is
>>> on an
>>> >>>> individual basis.
>>> >>>> jduval
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>> >>>>> From: "matthew carpenter" < matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter
>>> take?
>>> >>>>> The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@ g mail.com>
>>> >>>>> wrote: I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll
>>> let
>>> >>>>> you know if it'll do a jump cut.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short
>>> >>>>>> notice!
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain
>>> >>>>>> modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will we?
>>> All
>>> >>>>>> of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new shop
>>> >>>>>> panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do
>>> >>>>>> individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more
>>> >>>>>> forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make my
>>> >>>>>> decision more easily.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> & gt;> ;>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@... > wrote: --- In
>>> >>>>>> SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter"
>>> >>>>>> <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>> > Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers,
>>> too.
>>> >>>>>>> The EQ is
>>> >>>>>>> > brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid
>>> opinion
>>> >>>>>>> on, and I
>>> >>>>>>> > have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The
>>> NCOM
>>> >>>>>>> is great, too,
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Can you get the Active Processors to m ake a real hard
>>> jump-cut,
>>> >>>>>>> with no audible "fade"
>>> >>>>>>> between the signals, when used with audio?
>>> >>>>>>> Or does nobody use the AP with audio?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> > so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll
>>> be
>>> >>>>>>> getting
>>> >>>>>>> > another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> > But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn 't
>>> be
>>> >>>>>>> able to get on a
>>> >>>>>>> > shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther
>>> modules?
>>> >>>>>>> How about a
>>> >>>>>>> > Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dua l Schmitt Trigger? Does
>>> anyone
>>> >>>>>>> have either?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know
>>> >>>>>>> them. I don't have a particular
>>> >>>>>>> need for either of those modules, I think, but you're right
>>> in
>>> >>>>>>> that if you'd want to own one,
>>> >>>>>>> you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way
>>> I'm
>>> >>>>>>> ordering another
>>> >>>>>>> complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave
>>> Multiplier
>>> >>>>>>> and EQ.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>
>

On May 31, 2007, at 12:53 AM, matthew carpenter wrote:

> Well, I haven't had a use for a quantizer. I would rather use the
> space for something like a Boolean Logic or Schmitt Trigger. I'm
> interested in creating very stupid artificial intelligence or
> something like that. That, and having all of the Serge manglers and
> filters! That's what you're lacking. That's an interesting and very
> nice selection. How is the matrix mixer? I just noticed that you have
> the VCFQ(X) and EQ but no VCF2 or VCFS. Maybe your Filter is my
> Quantizer?
>
>
> On 5/30/07, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:
>> sequencer panel later ?
>>
>>
>> I was also in the process of planning a custom panel
>> when Rex's mail dropped, - so i've just ordered it before the
>> deadline.
>> I'd been planning and giving it a lot of thought for some time now,
>> so i'm pretty confident that it's the layout i want - but i'd still
>> like all you fellow sergers comments and advice.
>>
>> what i've ordered:
>>
>> QUAN(tkb) - PCO - NCOM - PDIV - RS - SSG - CVPRO - DSG - ADSR
>>
>> what i've already got:
>>
>> panel #1:
>>
>> PNRV - NTO - PCO - RING - VCM - AMX - VCFQX - DTG - UAP
>>
>> panel #2:
>>
>> FRS - CM - EQ - MAX - PRC - SPRC - 2VCA
>>
>> panel #3
>>
>> SEQ8 - DUAL ASR - ACPR - DTG - BLOG - SQP4
>>
>> I mean to get a TKB later, hence the QUAN for tkb.
>>
>> What do you think should be different in the new panel ?
>> I like to use my serge equally for processing external sources, noise
>> sculpture and regular synth stuff.
>>
>>
>> Kim
>>
>> http://www.antenne.suite.dk
>>
>> On May 30, 2007, at 11:41 PM, matthew carpenter wrote:
>>
>> > Haha, no no. Sorry, I hijacked this thread and now you're confusing
>> me
>> > with the other guy. I hope he doesn't feel left out! There's just so
>> > little time to decide!
>> >
>> > I have the three panel system I posted pics of and was looking at a
>> > panel that's comprised of a few things from the Soup Kitchen. My
>> > future plans were two custom panels with a mix of sequencing and
>> > effects but that ain't gonna happen, now.
>> >
>> > Do you, or any other list members have experience with the ext.
>> > carrier version of the Frequency Shifter? (Yep, I've read the entire
>> > history of this list and search the archives for comments on
>> specific
>> > modules from time to time)
>> >
>> > And, yeah, I did learn a thing or two from the rise and fall of the
>> > Fist, John, don't worry!
>> >
>> > I thought I'd take the liberty of making this THE 'final custom
>> panel'
>> > thread -- sorry!
>> >
>> > My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
>> >
>> > NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG (w/ sig
>> > ins) / VCFQ(X) / UAP
>> >
>> > BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
>> >
>> > NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
>> >
>> > I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so this
>> last
>> > custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have covered,
>> > already:
>> >
>> > PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM / DCSM
>> >
>> > I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you can't
>> get
>> > one anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for a VCM.
>> > Anyway, that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I already have
>> > a 2PHA and I'm thinking of going for the ext. carrier version of the
>> > Frequency Shifter, which it doesn't seem like either of the SK's
>> use.
>> > So, the VCM and QUO spots are up for grabs, pretty much, and IMO,
>> you
>> > can't have enough scaling buffers or mixers.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... <darkstr1746@... >
>> > wrote:So it looks like your going to have two FRS and two WADs???
>> > sonic damage abounds!! hahaha. With that set up, i personally don't
>> > see any benifit by adding the BUFF and STR. But that's just my
>> opinion
>> > based on how i used that configuration. Others who are more
>> > knowledgable with that module might shed some light. Not sure about
>> > the NCOM in conjunction with that panel but it might fit in with the
>> > othe panels better. One thing i learned from hard experience was
>> that
>> > when at all possible you should stick with "like functioning"
>> modules
>> > in one panel. I made several panels that when used with my system as
>> > it was then were quite functional and made sense but when looked at
>> as
>> > "stand alones" were a complete train wreck and exceedingly hard to
>> > sell later on. Just a word of wisdom.
>> >> So choose wisely Grasshoppa : )
>> >> kind regards
>> >>
>> >> jduval
>> >>
>> >>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>> Right, John, thank you.
>> >>>
>> >>> Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other
>> three:
>> >>>
>> >>> PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM / STR /
>> >>> DCSM
>> >>>
>> >>> I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee picking
>> >>> up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So, the
>> >>> panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't
>> unnecessarily
>> >>> duplicate something.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the FRS
>> >>> with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like
>> the
>> >>> non-ext. carrier version?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... < darkstr1746@... >
>> >>> wrote: All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being taken
>> up
>> >>> by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules.
>> That
>> >>> horse has been beat to death for years. The shop panels
>> >>> configuration is set.Anything else is custom and will probably
>> stay
>> >>> that way.
>> >>>> The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make the
>> >>>> phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal is on
>> an
>> >>>> individual basis.
>> >>>> jduval
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >>>>> From: "matthew carpenter" < matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter take?
>> >>>>> The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@...>
>> >>>>> wrote: I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll
>> let
>> >>>>> you know if it'll do a jump cut.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short
>> >>>>>> notice!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain
>> >>>>>> modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will we? All
>> >>>>>> of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new shop
>> >>>>>> panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do
>> >>>>>> individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more
>> >>>>>> forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make my
>> >>>>>> decision more easily.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@... > wrote: --- In
>> >>>>>> SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter"
>> >>>>>> <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers,
>> too.
>> >>>>>>> The EQ is
>> >>>>>>> > brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid
>> opinion
>> >>>>>>> on, and I
>> >>>>>>> > have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The
>> NCOM
>> >>>>>>> is great, too,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard
>> jump-cut,
>> >>>>>>> with no audible "fade"
>> >>>>>>> between the signals, when used with audio?
>> >>>>>>> Or does nobody use the AP with audio?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> > so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll
>> be
>> >>>>>>> getting
>> >>>>>>> > another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> > But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn 't be
>> >>>>>>> able to get on a
>> >>>>>>> > shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther
>> modules?
>> >>>>>>> How about a
>> >>>>>>> > Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does
>> anyone
>> >>>>>>> have either?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know
>> >>>>>>> them. I don't have a particular
>> >>>>>>> need for either of those modules, I think, but you're right in
>> >>>>>>> that if you'd want to own one,
>> >>>>>>> you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way
>> I'm
>> >>>>>>> ordering another
>> >>>>>>> complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave
>> Multiplier
>> >>>>>>> and EQ.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

On 6/1/07, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:

Matthew,

I'd certainly like to have the two other serge vcf's but as we all know
16" is never enough ;)

also i've got a few other filter modules i use with the Serge, - mainly
two multimode vcf's from
the roland system 700.

The matrix mixer is VERY handy for things like this, - routing audio
in and out of the serge.
With the dual vca module and the matrix mixer i recently had a patch
where i had the roland filter
routed back to itself giving extra resonance under voltage control.
Or i use it with a tape-echo or my eventide or lexicon.

I'll get the other serge vcf's sometime in the future but for now i can
do without..

On May 31, 2007, at 12:53 AM, matthew carpenter wrote:

> Well, I haven't had a use for a quantizer. I would rather use the
> space for something like a Boolean Logic or Schmitt Trigger. I'm
> interested in creating very stupid artificial intelligence or
> something like that. That, and having all of the Serge manglers and
> filters! That's what you're lacking. That's an interesting and very
> nice selection. How is the matrix mixer? I just noticed that you have
> the VCFQ(X) and EQ but no VCF2 or VCFS. Maybe your Filter is my
> Quantizer?
>
>
> On 5/30/07, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:
>> sequencer panel later ?
>>
>>
>> I was also in the process of planning a custom panel
>> when Rex's mail dropped, - so i've just ordered it before the
>> deadline.
>> I'd been planning and giving it a lot of thought for some time now,
>> so i'm pretty confident that it's the layout i want - but i'd still
>> like all you fellow sergers comments and advice.
>>
>> what i've ordered:
>>
>> QUAN(tkb) - PCO - NCOM - PDIV - RS - SSG - CVPRO - DSG - ADSR
>>
>> what i've already got:
>>
>> panel #1:
>>
>> PNRV - NTO - PCO - RING - VCM - AMX - VCFQX - DTG - UAP
>>
>> panel #2:
>>
>> FRS - CM - EQ - MAX - PRC - SPRC - 2VCA
>>
>> panel #3
>>
>> SEQ8 - DUAL ASR - ACPR - DTG - BLOG - SQP4
>>
>> I mean to get a TKB later, hence the QUAN for tkb.
>>
>> What do you think should be different in the new panel ?
>> I like to use my serge equally for processing external sources, noise
>> sculpture and regular synth stuff.
>>
>>
>> Kim
>>
>> http://www.antenne.suite.dk
>>
>> On May 30, 2007, at 11:41 PM, matthew carpenter wrote:
>>
>> > Haha, no no. Sorry, I hijacked this thread and now you're confusing
>> me
>> > with the other guy. I hope he doesn't feel left out! There's just so
>> > little time to decide!
>> >
>> > I have the three panel system I posted pics of and was looking at a
>> > panel that's comprised of a few things from the Soup Kitchen. My
>> > future plans were two custom panels with a mix of sequencing and
>> > effects but that ain't gonna happen, now.
>> >
>> > Do you, or any other list members have experience with the ext.
>> > carrier version of the Frequency Shifter? (Yep, I've read the entire
>> > history of this list and search the archives for comments on
>> specific
>> > modules from time to time)
>> >
>> > And, yeah, I did learn a thing or two from the rise and fall of the
>> > Fist, John, don't worry!
>> >
>> > I thought I'd take the liberty of making this THE 'final custom
>> panel'
>> > thread -- sorry!
>> >
>> >My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
>> >
>> > NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG (w/ sig
>> > ins) / VCFQ(X) / UAP
>> >
>> > BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
>> >
>> > NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
>> >
>> > I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so this
>> last
>> > custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have covered,
>> > already:
>> >
>> > PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM / DCSM
>> >
>> > I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you can't
>> get
>> > one anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for a VCM.
>> > Anyway, that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I already have
>> > a 2PHA and I'm thinking of going for the ext. carrier version of the
>> > Frequency Shifter, which it doesn't seem like either of the SK's
>> use.
>> > So, the VCM and QUO spots are up for grabs, pretty much, and IMO,
>> you
>> > can't have enough scaling buffers or mixers.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... <darkstr1746@... >
>> > wrote:So it looks like your going to have two FRS and two WADs???
>> > sonic damage abounds!! hahaha. With that set up, i personally don't
>> > see any benifit by adding the BUFF and STR. But that's just my
>> opinion
>> > based on how i used that configuration. Others who are more
>> > knowledgable with that module might shed some light. Not sure about
>> > the NCOM in conjunction with that panel but it might fit in with the
>> > othe panels better. One thing i learned from hard experience was
>> that
>> > when at all possible you should stick with "like functioning"
>> modules
>> > in one panel. I made several panels that when used with my system as
>> > it was then were quite functional and made sense but when looked at
>> as
>> > "stand alones" were a complete train wreck and exceedingly hard to
>> > sell later on. Just a word of wisdom.
>> >> So choose wisely Grasshoppa : )
>> >> kind regards
>> >>
>> >> jduval
>> >>
>> >>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>> Right, John, thank you.
>> >>>
>> >>> Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other
>> three:
>> >>>
>> >>> PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM / STR /
>> >>> DCSM
>> >>>
>> >>> I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee picking
>> >>> up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So, the
>> >>> panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't
>> unnecessarily
>> >>> duplicate something.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the FRS
>> >>> with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like
>> the
>> >>> non-ext. carrier version?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... < darkstr1746@... >
>> >>> wrote: All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being taken
>> up
>> >>> by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules.
>> That
>> >>> horse has been beat to death for years. The shop panels
>> >>> configuration is set.Anythingelse is custom and will probably
>> stay
>> >>> that way.
>> >>>> The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make the
>> >>>> phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal is on
>> an
>> >>>> individual basis.
>> >>>> jduval
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >>>>> From: "matthew carpenter" < matfhew.carpenfer@...>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter take?
>> >>>>> The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@...>
>> >>>>> wrote: I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll
>> let
>> >>>>> you know if it'll do a jump cut.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short
>> >>>>>> notice!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain
>> >>>>>> modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will we? All
>> >>>>>> of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new shop
>> >>>>>> panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do
>> >>>>>> individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more
>> >>>>>> forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make my
>> >>>>>> decision more easily.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@...> wrote: --- In
>> >>>>>> SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter"
>> >>>>>> <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers,
>> too.
>> >>>>>>> The EQ is
>> >>>>>>> > brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid
>> opinion
>> >>>>>>> on, and I
>> >>>>>>> > have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The
>> NCOM
>> >>>>>>> is great, too,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard
>> jump-cut,
>> >>>>>>> with no audible "fade"
>> >>>>>>> between the signals, when used with audio?
>> >>>>>>> Or does nobody use the AP with audio?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> > so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll
>> be
>> >>>>>>> getting
>> >>>>>>> > another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> > But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn 't be
>> >>>>>>> able to get on a
>> >>>>>>> > shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther
>> modules?
>> >>>>>>> How about a
>> >>>>>>> > Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does
>> anyone
>> >>>>>>> have either?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know
>> >>>>>>> them. I don't have a particular
>> >>>>>>> need for either of those modules, I think, but you're right in
>> >>>>>>> that if you'd want to own one,
>> >>>>>>> you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way
>> I'm
>> >>>>>>> ordering another
>> >>>>>>> complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave
>> Multiplier
>> >>>>>>> and EQ.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

On Jun 2, 2007, at 2:49 AM, matthew carpenter wrote:

> Yep, 16" is what we have to work with. It definitely encourages some
> creative and strenuous thought when planning the panel.
>
> Have you finalized what yours will be? I'm still trying to decide on
> the last 1 or 2 inches. I would certainly get the Matrix Mixer if I
> could but that's 4"!
>
>
> On 6/1/07, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:
>>
>> I'd certainly like to have the two other serge vcf's but as we all
>> know
>> 16" is never enough ;)
>>
>> two multimode vcf's from
>> the roland system 700.
>>
>> The matrix mixer is VERY handy for things like this, - routing audio
>> in and out of the serge.
>> With the dual vca module and the matrix mixer i recently had a patch
>> where i had the roland filter
>> routed back to itself giving extra resonance under voltage control.
>> Or i use it with a tape-echo or my eventide or lexicon.
>>
>> I'll get the other serge vcf's sometime in the future but for now i
>> can
>> do without..
>>
>> On May 31, 2007, at 12:53 AM, matthew carpenter wrote:
>>
>> > Well, I haven't had a use for a quantizer. I would rather use the
>> > space for something like a Boolean Logic or Schmitt Trigger. I'm
>> > interested in creating very stupid artificial intelligence or
>> > something like that. That, and having all of the Serge manglers and
>> > filters! That's what you're lacking. That's an interesting and very
>> > nice selection. How is the matrix mixer? I just noticed that you
>> have
>> > the VCFQ(X) and EQ but no VCF2 or VCFS. Maybe your Filter is my
>> > Quantizer?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/30/07, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:
>> >> sequencer panel later ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I was also in the process of planning a custom panel
>> >> when Rex's mail dropped, - so i've just ordered it before the
>> >> deadline.
>> >> I'd been planning and giving it a lot of thought for some time now,
>> >> so i'm pretty confident that it's the layout i want - but i'd still
>> >> like all you fellow sergers comments and advice.
>> >>
>> >> what i've ordered:
>> >>
>> >> QUAN(tkb) - PCO - NCOM - PDIV - RS - SSG - CVPRO - DSG - ADSR
>> >>
>> >> what i've already got:
>> >>
>> >> panel #1:
>> >>
>> >> PNRV - NTO - PCO - RING - VCM - AMX - VCFQX - DTG - UAP
>> >>
>> >> panel #2:
>> >>
>> >> FRS - CM - EQ - MAX - PRC - SPRC - 2VCA
>> >>
>> >> panel #3
>> >>
>> >> SEQ8 - DUAL ASR - ACPR - DTG - BLOG - SQP4
>> >>
>> >> I mean to get a TKB later, hence the QUAN for tkb.
>> >>
>> >> What do you think should be different in the new panel ?
>> >> I like to use my serge equally for processing external sources,
>> noise
>> >> sculpture and regular synth stuff.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Kim
>> >>
>> >> http://www.antenne.suite.dk
>> >>
>> >> On May 30, 2007, at 11:41 PM, matthew carpenter wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Haha, no no. Sorry, I hijacked this thread and now you're
>> confusing
>> >> me
>> >> > with the other guy. I hope he doesn't feel left out! There's
>> just so
>> >> > little time to decide!
>> >> >
>> >> > I have the three panel system I posted pics of and was looking
>> at a
>> >> > panel that's comprised of a few things from the Soup Kitchen. My
>> >> > future plans were two custom panels with a mix of sequencing and
>> >> > effects but that ain't gonna happen, now.
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you, or any other list members have experience with the ext.
>> >> > carrier version of the Frequency Shifter? (Yep, I've read the
>> entire
>> >> > history of this list and search the archives for comments on
>> >> specific
>> >> > modules from time to time)
>> >> >
>> >> > And, yeah, I did learn a thing or two from the rise and fall of
>> the
>> >> > Fist, John, don't worry!
>> >> >
>> >> > I thought I'd take the liberty of making this THE 'final custom
>> >> panel'
>> >> > thread -- sorry!
>> >> >
>> >> >My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
>> >> >
>> >> > NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG (w/
>> sig
>> >> > ins) / VCFQ(X) / UAP
>> >> >
>> >> > BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
>> >> >
>> >> > NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
>> >> >
>> >> > I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so this
>> >> last
>> >> > custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have
>> covered,
>> >> > already:
>> >> >
>> >> > PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM /
>> DCSM
>> >> >
>> >> > I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you
>> can't
>> >> get
>> >> > one anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for a
>> VCM.
>> >> > Anyway, that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I already
>> have
>> >> > a 2PHA and I'm thinking of going for the ext. carrier version of
>> the
>> >> > Frequency Shifter, which it doesn't seem like either of the SK's
>> >> use.
>> >> > So, the VCM and QUO spots are up for grabs, pretty much, and IMO,
>> >> you
>> >> > can't have enough scaling buffers or mixers.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... <darkstr1746@... >
>> >> > wrote:So it looks like your going to have two FRS and two WADs???
>> >> > sonic damage abounds!! hahaha. With that set up, i personally
>> don't
>> >> > see any benifit by adding the BUFF and STR. But that's just my
>> >> opinion
>> >> > based on how i used that configuration. Others who are more
>> >> > knowledgable with that module might shed some light. Not sure
>> about
>> >> > the NCOM in conjunction with that panel but it might fit in with
>> the
>> >> > othe panels better. One thing i learned from hard experience was
>> >> that
>> >> > when at all possible you should stick with "like functioning"
>> >> modules
>> >> > in one panel. I made several panels that when used with my
>> system as
>> >> > it was then were quite functional and made sense but when looked
>> at
>> >> as
>> >> > "stand alones" were a complete train wreck and exceedingly hard
>> to
>> >> > sell later on. Just a word of wisdom.
>> >> >> So choose wisely Grasshoppa : )
>> >> >> kind regards
>> >> >>
>> >> >> jduval
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Right, John, thank you.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other
>> >> three:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM /
>> STR /
>> >> >>> DCSM
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee
>> picking
>> >> >>> up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So,
>> the
>> >> >>> panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't
>> >> unnecessarily
>> >> >>> duplicate something.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the
>> FRS
>> >> >>> with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like
>> >> the
>> >> >>> non-ext. carrier version?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... < darkstr1746@...
>> >
>> >> >>> wrote: All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being
>> taken
>> >> up
>> >> >>> by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules.
>> >> That
>> >> >>> horse has been beat to death for years. The shop panels
>> >> >>> configuration is set.Anythingelse is custom and will probably
>> >> stay
>> >> >>> that way.
>> >> >>>> The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make
>> the
>> >> >>>> phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal is
>> on
>> >> an
>> >> >>>> individual basis.
>> >> >>>> jduval
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >>>>> From: "matthew carpenter" < matfhew.carpenfer@...>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter
>> take?
>> >> >>>>> The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@...>
>> >> >>>>> wrote: I use the Active Processor all the time for audio.
>> I'll
>> >> let
>> >> >>>>> you know if it'll do a jump cut.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short
>> >> >>>>>> notice!
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain
>> >> >>>>>> modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will we?
>> All
>> >> >>>>>> of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new
>> shop
>> >> >>>>>> panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do
>> >> >>>>>> individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more
>> >> >>>>>> forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make
>> my
>> >> >>>>>> decision more easily.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@...> wrote: ---
>> In
>> >> >>>>>> SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter"
>> >> >>>>>> <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
>> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>>> > Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers,
>> >> too.
>> >> >>>>>>> The EQ is
>> >> >>>>>>> > brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid
>> >> opinion
>> >> >>>>>>> on, and I
>> >> >>>>>>> > have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The
>> >> NCOM
>> >> >>>>>>> is great, too,
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard
>> >> jump-cut,
>> >> >>>>>>> with no audible "fade"
>> >> >>>>>>> between the signals, when used with audio?
>> >> >>>>>>> Or does nobody use the AP with audio?
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> > so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once.
>> I'll
>> >> be
>> >> >>>>>>> getting
>> >> >>>>>>> > another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> > But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn
>> 't be
>> >> >>>>>>> able to get on a
>> >> >>>>>>> > shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther
>> >> modules?
>> >> >>>>>>> How about a
>> >> >>>>>>> > Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does
>> >> anyone
>> >> >>>>>>> have either?
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we
>> know
>> >> >>>>>>> them. I don't have a particular
>> >> >>>>>>> need for either of those modules, I think, but you're
>> right in
>> >> >>>>>>> that if you'd want to own one,
>> >> >>>>>>> you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no
>> way
>> >> I'm
>> >> >>>>>>> ordering another
>> >> >>>>>>> complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave
>> >> Multiplier
>> >> >>>>>>> and EQ.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:
>
> Matthew,
>
> I'd certainly like to have the two other serge vcf's but as we all know
> 16" is never enough ;)
>
> also i've got a few other filter modules i use with the Serge, - mainly
> two multimode vcf's from
> the roland system 700.
>
> The matrix mixer is VERY handy for things like this, - routing audio
> in and out of the serge.
> With the dual vca module and the matrix mixer i recently had a patch
> where i had the roland filter
> routed back to itself giving extra resonance under voltage control.
> Or i use it with a tape-echo or my eventide or lexicon.
>
> I'll get the other serge vcf's sometime in the future but for now i can
> do without..
>
> On May 31, 2007, at 12:53 AM, matthew carpenter wrote:
>
> > Well, I haven't had a use for a quantizer. I would rather use the
> > space for something like a Boolean Logic or Schmitt Trigger. I'm
> > interested in creating very stupid artificial intelligence or
> > something like that. That, and having all of the Serge manglers and
> > filters! That's what you're lacking. That's an interesting and very
> > nice selection. How is the matrix mixer? I just noticed that you have
> > the VCFQ(X) and EQ but no VCF2 or VCFS. Maybe your Filter is my
> > Quantizer?
> >
> >
> > On 5/30/07, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:
> >> sequencer panel later ?
> >>
> >>
> >> I was also in the process of planning a custom panel
> >> when Rex's mail dropped, - so i've just ordered it before the
> >> deadline.
> >> I'd been planning and giving it a lot of thought for some time now,
> >> so i'm pretty confident that it's the layout i want - but i'd still
> >> like all you fellow sergers comments and advice.
> >>
> >> what i've ordered:
> >>
> >> QUAN(tkb) - PCO - NCOM - PDIV - RS - SSG - CVPRO - DSG - ADSR
> >>
> >> what i've already got:
> >>
> >> panel #1:
> >>
> >> PNRV - NTO - PCO - RING - VCM - AMX - VCFQX - DTG - UAP
> >>
> >> panel #2:
> >>
> >> FRS - CM - EQ - MAX - PRC - SPRC - 2VCA
> >>
> >> panel #3
> >>
> >> SEQ8 - DUAL ASR - ACPR - DTG - BLOG - SQP4
> >>
> >> I mean to get a TKB later, hence the QUAN for tkb.
> >>
> >> What do you think should be different in the new panel ?
> >> I like to use my serge equally for processing external sources, noise
> >> sculpture and regular synth stuff.
> >>
> >>
> >> Kim
> >>
> >> http://www.antenne.suite.dk
> >>
> >> On May 30, 2007, at 11:41 PM, matthew carpenter wrote:
> >>
> >> > Haha, no no. Sorry, I hijacked this thread and now you're
confusing
> >> me
> >> > with the other guy. I hope he doesn't feel left out! There's
just so
> >> > little time to decide!
> >> >
> >> > I have the three panel system I posted pics of and was looking at a
> >> > panel that's comprised of a few things from the Soup Kitchen. My
> >> > future plans were two custom panels with a mix of sequencing and
> >> > effects but that ain't gonna happen, now.
> >> >
> >> > Do you, or any other list members have experience with the ext.
> >> > carrier version of the Frequency Shifter? (Yep, I've read the
entire
> >> > history of this list and search the archives for comments on
> >> specific
> >> > modules from time to time)
> >> >
> >> > And, yeah, I did learn a thing or two from the rise and fall of the
> >> > Fist, John, don't worry!
> >> >
> >> > I thought I'd take the liberty of making this THE 'final custom
> >> panel'
> >> > thread -- sorry!
> >> >
> >> > My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
> >> >
> >> > NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG
(w/ sig
> >> > ins) / VCFQ(X) / UAP
> >> >
> >> > BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
> >> >
> >> > NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
> >> >
> >> > I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so this
> >> last
> >> > custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have covered,
> >> > already:
> >> >
> >> > PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM / DCSM
> >> >
> >> > I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you can't
> >> get
> >> > one anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for a
VCM.
> >> > Anyway, that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I already
have
> >> > a 2PHA and I'm thinking of going for the ext. carrier version
of the
> >> > Frequency Shifter, which it doesn't seem like either of the SK's
> >> use.
> >> > So, the VCM and QUO spots are up for grabs, pretty much, and IMO,
> >> you
> >> > can't have enough scaling buffers or mixers.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... <darkstr1746@... >
> >> > wrote:So it looks like your going to have two FRS and two WADs???
> >> > sonic damage abounds!! hahaha. With that set up, i personally don't
> >> > see any benifit by adding the BUFF and STR. But that's just my
> >> opinion
> >> > based on how i used that configuration. Others who are more
> >> > knowledgable with that module might shed some light. Not sure about
> >> > the NCOM in conjunction with that panel but it might fit in
with the
> >> > othe panels better. One thing i learned from hard experience was
> >> that
> >> > when at all possible you should stick with "like functioning"
> >> modules
> >> > in one panel. I made several panels that when used with my
system as
> >> > it was then were quite functional and made sense but when
looked at
> >> as
> >> > "stand alones" were a complete train wreck and exceedingly hard to
> >> > sell later on. Just a word of wisdom.
> >> >> So choose wisely Grasshoppa : )
> >> >> kind regards
> >> >>
> >> >> jduval
> >> >>
> >> >>> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Right, John, thank you.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other
> >> three:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM / STR /
> >> >>> DCSM
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee picking
> >> >>> up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So, the
> >> >>> panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't
> >> unnecessarily
> >> >>> duplicate something.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the FRS
> >> >>> with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like
> >> the
> >> >>> non-ext. carrier version?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... < darkstr1746@... >
> >> >>> wrote: All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being taken
> >> up
> >> >>> by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules.
> >> That
> >> >>> horse has been beat to death for years. The shop panels
> >> >>> configuration is set.Anything else is custom and will probably
> >> stay
> >> >>> that way.
> >> >>>> The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make the
> >> >>>> phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal
is on
> >> an
> >> >>>> individual basis.
> >> >>>> jduval
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >>>>> From: "matthew carpenter" < matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter
take?
> >> >>>>> The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@...>
> >> >>>>> wrote: I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll
> >> let
> >> >>>>> you know if it'll do a jump cut.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short
> >> >>>>>> notice!
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain
> >> >>>>>> modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will
we? All
> >> >>>>>> of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new shop
> >> >>>>>> panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do
> >> >>>>>> individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more
> >> >>>>>> forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make my
> >> >>>>>> decision more easily.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@... > wrote: --- In
> >> >>>>>> SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter"
> >> >>>>>> <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> > Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers,
> >> too.
> >> >>>>>>> The EQ is
> >> >>>>>>> > brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid
> >> opinion
> >> >>>>>>> on, and I
> >> >>>>>>> > have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The
> >> NCOM
> >> >>>>>>> is great, too,
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard
> >> jump-cut,
> >> >>>>>>> with no audible "fade"
> >> >>>>>>> between the signals, when used with audio?
> >> >>>>>>> Or does nobody use the AP with audio?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> > so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll
> >> be
> >> >>>>>>> getting
> >> >>>>>>> > another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> > But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn
't be
> >> >>>>>>> able to get on a
> >> >>>>>>> > shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther
> >> modules?
> >> >>>>>>> How about a
> >> >>>>>>> > Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does
> >> anyone
> >> >>>>>>> have either?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know
> >> >>>>>>> them. I don't have a particular
> >> >>>>>>> need for either of those modules, I think, but you're
right in
> >> >>>>>>> that if you'd want to own one,
> >> >>>>>>> you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way
> >> I'm
> >> >>>>>>> ordering another
> >> >>>>>>> complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave
> >> Multiplier
> >> >>>>>>> and EQ.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>

On 6/5/07, Yulian Pugachevsky <yulian.p@...> wrote:

Indeed.. I can sympathize with the anticipation.. I'm waiting on my last panel as well.. especially given that it completes the system (.. that I can afford ;).. 4 panels tot).. I did tell Rex to take his time though a) so not to rush his and b) to give me a chance to come up with the $$$ for the unexpected expense (I wasnt planing for this panel until next year's income tax returns :D).

I got PCO - RING - VCM - AMX - EQ - VCFS - WAD - ACPR - BLOG

Plenty of other modules I would've loved to have.. like the matrix mixer or the freq shifter.. oh well.. maybe l8r ;-)

yulian.

On 5-Jun-07, at 9:38 AM, simulacreant wrote:

Well, my order's in. Here's what I decided on:

PRNV / STR / PCO / FRSX / C/M / WAD / AMX / XFAD / QUO / DCSM

Can't wait! But I'll have to.

--- In SergeModular@yahoogroups. com, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:
>
> Matthew,
>
> I'd certainly like to have the two other serge vcf's but as we all know
> 16" is never enough ;)
>
> also i've got a few other filter modules i use with the Serge, - mainly
> two multimode vcf's from
> the roland system 700.
>
> The matrix mixer is VERY handy for things like this, - routing audio
> in and out of the serge.
> With the dual vca module and the matrix mixer i recently had a patch
> where i had the roland filter
> routed back to itself giving extra resonance under voltage control.
> Or i use it with a tape-echo or my eventide or lexicon.
>
> I'll get the other serge vcf's sometime in the future but for now i can
> do without..
>
> On May 31, 2007, at 12:53 AM, matthew carpenter wrote:
>
> > Well, I haven't had a use for a quantizer. I would rather use the
> > space for something like a Boolean Logic or Schmitt Trigger. I'm
> > interested in creating very stupid artificial intelligence or
> > something like that. That, and having all of the Serge manglers and
> > filters! That's what you're lacking. That's an interesting and very
> > nice selection. How is the matrix mixer? I just noticed that you have
> > the VCFQ(X) and EQ but no VCF2 or VCFS. Maybe your Filter is my
> > Quantizer?
> >
> >
> > On 5/30/07, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:
> >> sequencer panel later ?
> >>
> >>
> >> I was also in the process of planning a custom panel
> >> when Rex's mail dropped, - so i've just ordered it before the
> >> deadline.
> >> I'd been planning and giving it a lot of thought for some time now,
> >> so i'm pretty confident that it's the layout i want - but i'd still
> >> like all you fellow sergers comments and advice.
> >>
> >> what i've ordered:
> >>
> >> QUAN(tkb) - PCO - NCOM - PDIV - RS - SSG - CVPRO - DSG - ADSR
> >>
> >> what i've already got:
> >>
> >> panel #1:
> >>
> >> PNRV - NTO - PCO - RING - VCM - AMX - VCFQX - DTG - UAP
> >>
> >> panel #2:
> >>
> >> FRS - CM - EQ - MAX - PRC - SPRC - 2VCA
> >>
> >> panel #3
> >>
> >> SEQ8 - DUAL ASR - ACPR - DTG - BLOG - SQP4
> >>
> >> I mean to get a TKB later, hence the QUAN for tkb.
> >>
> >> What do you think should be different in the new panel ?
> >> I like to use my serge equally for processing external sources, noise
> >> sculpture and regular synth stuff.
> >>
> >>
> >> Kim
> >>
> >> http://www.antenne. suite.dk
> >>
> >> On May 30, 2007, at 11:41 PM, matthew carpenter wrote:
> >>
> >> > Haha, no no. Sorry, I hijacked this thread and now you're
confusing
> >> me
> >> > with the other guy. I hope he doesn't feel left out! There's
just so
> >> > little time to decide!
> >> >
> >> > I have the three panel system I posted pics of and was looking at a
> >> > panel that's comprised of a few things from the Soup Kitchen. My
> >> > future plans were two custom panels with a mix of sequencing and
> >> > effects but that ain't gonna happen, now.
> >> >
> >> > Do you, or any other list members have experience with the ext.
> >> > carrier version of the Frequency Shifter? (Yep, I've read the
entire
> >> > history of this list and search the archives for comments on
> >> specific
> >> > modules from time to time)
> >> >
> >> > And, yeah, I did learn a thing or two from the rise and fall of the
> >> > Fist, John, don't worry!
> >> >
> >> > I thought I'd take the liberty of making this THE 'final custom
> >> panel'
> >> > thread -- sorry!
> >> >
> >> > My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
> >> >
> >> > NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG
(w/ sig
> >> > ins) / VCFQ(X) / UAP
> >> >
> >> > BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
> >> >
> >> > NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
> >> >
> >> > I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so this
> >> last
> >> > custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have covered,
> >> > already:
> >> >
> >> > PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM / DCSM
> >> >
> >> > I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you can't
> >> get
> >> > one anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for a
VCM.
> >> > Anyway, that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I already
have
> >> > a 2PHA and I'm thinking of going for the ext. carrier version
of the
> >> > Frequency Shifter, which it doesn't seem like either of the SK's
> >> use.
> >> > So, the VCM and QUO spots are up for grabs, pretty much, and IMO,
> >> you
> >> > can't have enough scaling buffers or mixers.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... <darkstr1746@... >
> >> > wrote:So it looks like your going to have two FRS and two WADs???
> >> > sonic damage abounds!! hahaha. With that set up, i personally don't
> >> > see any benifit by adding the BUFF and STR. But that's just my
> >> opinion
> >> > based on how i used that configuration. Others who are more
> >> > knowledgable with that module might shed some light. Not sure about
> >> > the NCOM in conjunction with that panel but it might fit in
with the
> >> > othe panels better. One thing i learned from hard experience was
> >> that
> >> > when at all possible you should stick with "like functioning"
> >> modules
> >> > in one panel. I made several panels that when used with my
system as
> >> > it was then were quite functional and made sense but when
looked at
> >> as
> >> > "stand alones" were a complete train wreck and exceedingly hard to
> >> > sell later on. Just a word of wisdom.
> >> >> So choose wisely Grasshoppa : )
> >> >> kind regards
> >> >>
> >> >> jduval
> >> >>
> >> >>> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Right, John, thank you.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my other
> >> three:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM / STR /
> >> >>> DCSM
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee picking
> >> >>> up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So, the
> >> >>> panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't
> >> unnecessarily
> >> >>> duplicate something.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the FRS
> >> >>> with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board like
> >> the
> >> >>> non-ext. carrier version?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@ ... < darkstr1746@... >
> >> >>> wrote: All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being taken
> >> up
> >> >>> by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single modules.
> >> That
> >> >>> horse has been beat to death for years. The shop panels
> >> >>> configuration is set.Anything else is custom and will probably
> >> stay
> >> >>> that way.
> >> >>>> The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to make the
> >> >>>> phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal
is on
> >> an
> >> >>>> individual basis.
> >> >>>> jduval
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> ------------ -- Original message --------------
> >> >>>>> From: "matthew carpenter" < matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter
take?
> >> >>>>> The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@...>
> >> >>>>> wrote: I use the Active Processor all the time for audio. I'll
> >> let
> >> >>>>> you know if it'll do a jump cut.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such short
> >> >>>>>> notice!
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Right, that was my point about getting a panel with certain
> >> >>>>>> modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will
we? All
> >> >>>>>> of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new shop
> >> >>>>>> panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do
> >> >>>>>> individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more
> >> >>>>>> forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me make my
> >> >>>>>> decision more easily.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@... > wrote: --- In
> >> >>>>>> SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter"
> >> >>>>>> <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> > Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave Multipliers,
> >> too.
> >> >>>>>>> The EQ is
> >> >>>>>>> > brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid
> >> opinion
> >> >>>>>>> on, and I
> >> >>>>>>> > have two Active Processors which I use all the time. The
> >> NCOM
> >> >>>>>>> is great, too,
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard
> >> jump-cut,
> >> >>>>>>> with no audible "fade"
> >> >>>>>>> between the signals, when used with audio?
> >> >>>>>>> Or does nobody use the AP with audio?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> > so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once. I'll
> >> be
> >> >>>>>>> getting
> >> >>>>>>> > another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup Kitchen.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> > But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn
't be
> >> >>>>>>> able to get on a
> >> >>>>>>> > shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther
> >> modules?
> >> >>>>>>> How about a
> >> >>>>>>> > Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does
> >> anyone
> >> >>>>>>> have either?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we know
> >> >>>>>>> them. I don't have a particular
> >> >>>>>>> need for either of those modules, I think, but you're
right in
> >> >>>>>>> that if you'd want to own one,
> >> >>>>>>> you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no way
> >> I'm
> >> >>>>>>> ordering another
> >> >>>>>>> complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave
> >> Multiplier
> >> >>>>>>> and EQ.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>

On Jun 5, 2007, at 3:38 PM, simulacreant wrote:

> Well, my order's in. Here's what I decided on:
>
> PRNV / STR / PCO / FRSX / C/M / WAD / AMX / XFAD / QUO / DCSM
>
> Can't wait! But I'll have to.
>
> --- In SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:
> >
> > Matthew,
> >
> > I'd certainly like to have the two other serge vcf's but as we all
> know
> > 16" is never enough ;)
> >
> > also i've got a few other filter modules i use with the Serge, -
> mainly
> > two multimode vcf's from
> > the roland system 700.
> >
> > The matrix mixer is VERY handy for things like this, - routing audio
> > in and out of the serge.
> > With the dual vca module and the matrix mixer i recently had a patch
> > where i had the roland filter
> > routed back to itself giving extra resonance under voltage control.
> > Or i use it with a tape-echo or my eventide or lexicon.
> >
> > I'll get the other serge vcf's sometime in the future but for now i
> can
> > do without..
> >
> > On May 31, 2007, at 12:53 AM, matthew carpenter wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I haven't had a use for a quantizer. I would rather use the
> > > space for something like a Boolean Logic or Schmitt Trigger. I'm
> > > interested in creating very stupid artificial intelligence or
> > > something like that. That, and having all of the Serge manglers
> and
> > > filters! That's what you're lacking. That's an interesting and
> very
> > > nice selection. How is the matrix mixer? I just noticed that you
> have
> > > the VCFQ(X) and EQ but no VCF2 or VCFS. Maybe your Filter is my
> > > Quantizer?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/30/07, Kim Hansen <kimgh@...> wrote:
> > >> sequencer panel later ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I was also in the process of planning a custom panel
> > >> when Rex's mail dropped, - so i've just ordered it before the
> > >> deadline.
> > >> I'd been planning and giving it a lot of thought for some time
> now,
> > >> so i'm pretty confident that it's the layout i want - but i'd
> still
> > >> like all you fellow sergers comments and advice.
> > >>
> > >> what i've ordered:
> > >>
> > >> QUAN(tkb) - PCO - NCOM - PDIV - RS - SSG - CVPRO - DSG - ADSR
> > >>
> > >> what i've already got:
> > >>
> > >> panel #1:
> > >>
> > >> PNRV - NTO - PCO - RING - VCM - AMX - VCFQX - DTG - UAP
> > >>
> > >> panel #2:
> > >>
> > >> FRS - CM - EQ - MAX - PRC - SPRC - 2VCA
> > >>
> > >> panel #3
> > >>
> > >> SEQ8 - DUAL ASR - ACPR - DTG - BLOG - SQP4
> > >>
> > >> I mean to get a TKB later, hence the QUAN for tkb.
> > >>
> > >> What do you think should be different in the new panel ?
> > >> I like to use my serge equally for processing external sources,
> noise
> > >> sculpture and regular synth stuff.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Kim
> > >>
> > >> http://www.antenne.suite.dk
> > >>
> > >> On May 30, 2007, at 11:41 PM, matthew carpenter wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Haha, no no. Sorry, I hijacked this thread and now you're
> confusing
> > >> me
> > >> > with the other guy. I hope he doesn't feel left out! There's
> just so
> > >> > little time to decide!
> > >> >
> > >> > I have the three panel system I posted pics of and was looking
> at a
> > >> > panel that's comprised of a few things from the Soup Kitchen.
> My
> > >> > future plans were two custom panels with a mix of sequencing
> and
> > >> > effects but that ain't gonna happen, now.
> > >> >
> > >> > Do you, or any other list members have experience with the ext.
> > >> > carrier version of the Frequency Shifter? (Yep, I've read the
> entire
> > >> > history of this list and search the archives for comments on
> > >> specific
> > >> > modules from time to time)
> > >> >
> > >> > And, yeah, I did learn a thing or two from the rise and fall
> of the
> > >> > Fist, John, don't worry!
> > >> >
> > >> > I thought I'd take the liberty of making this THE 'final custom
> > >> panel'
> > >> > thread -- sorry!
> > >> >
> > >> > My current config, for anyone who wishes to comment:
> > >> >
> > >> > NTO / PCO / VCM / AMX (w/ phase switch) / SSG w/ noise / DTG
> (w/ sig
> > >> > ins) / VCFQ(X) / UAP
> > >> >
> > >> > BUFF / SCPR / ACPR / ADSR / ADSR / VCF2 / MIX2 / VCFQ(X) / EQ
> > >> >
> > >> > NTO / TWS / RING / NCOM / ACPR / 2RVG / DTG / VCFS / 2PHA
> > >> >
> > >> > I will certainly add a sequencer and/or TKB in the future so
> this
> > >> last
> > >> > custom panel is meant to cover some territory I don't have
> covered,
> > >> > already:
> > >> >
> > >> > PRNV / CM / FRS(X) / QUO(?) / XFAD / WAD / BUFF / AMX / VCM /
> DCSM
> > >> >
> > >> > I already have a VCM so I'm not sure about that one. But you
> can't
> > >> get
> > >> > one anywhere else and I'd hate to buy a Soup Kitchen just for a
> VCM.
> > >> > Anyway, that's my idea. Looks like a Soup Kitchen but I already
> have
> > >> > a 2PHA and I'm thinking of going for the ext. carrier version
> of the
> > >> > Frequency Shifter, which it doesn't seem like either of the
> SK's
> > >> use.
> > >> > So, the VCM and QUO spots are up for grabs, pretty much, and
> IMO,
> > >> you
> > >> > can't have enough scaling buffers or mixers.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... <darkstr1746@... >
> > >> > wrote:So it looks like your going to have two FRS and two
> WADs???
> > >> > sonic damage abounds!! hahaha. With that set up, i personally
> don't
> > >> > see any benifit by adding the BUFF and STR. But that's just my
> > >> opinion
> > >> > based on how i used that configuration. Others who are more
> > >> > knowledgable with that module might shed some light. Not sure
> about
> > >> > the NCOM in conjunction with that panel but it might fit in
> with the
> > >> > othe panels better. One thing i learned from hard experience
> was
> > >> that
> > >> > when at all possible you should stick with "like functioning"
> > >> modules
> > >> > in one panel. I made several panels that when used with my
> system as
> > >> > it was then were quite functional and made sense but when
> looked at
> > >> as
> > >> > "stand alones" were a complete train wreck and exceedingly
> hard to
> > >> > sell later on. Just a word of wisdom.
> > >> >> So choose wisely Grasshoppa : )
> > >> >> kind regards
> > >> >>
> > >> >> jduval
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >>> From: "matthew carpenter" <matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Right, John, thank you.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Here's the layout I'm considering for a complement to my
> other
> > >> three:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> PRNV / FRS(X) / CM / XFAD / QUO / WAD / BUFF / AMX / NCOM /
> STR /
> > >> >>> DCSM
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I may change the sequence. Only shop panels I can foresee
> picking
> > >> >>> up in the future would be the Sequencer panel and a TKB. So,
> the
> > >> >>> panel above is in keeping with those plans so I don't
> > >> unnecessarily
> > >> >>> duplicate something.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Is it correct to assume that a QUO is a good addition to the
> FRS
> > >> >>> with external carrier since it doesn't have a QUO on board
> like
> > >> the
> > >> >>> non-ext. carrier version?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On 5/30/07, darkstr1746@... < darkstr1746@... >
> > >> >>> wrote: All Freq Shift modules are 3" the extra space being
> taken
> > >> up
> > >> >>> by the CM. Rex will tell you that he doesn't do single
> modules.
> > >> That
> > >> >>> horse has been beat to death for years. The shop panels
> > >> >>> configuration is set.Anything else is custom and will
> probably
> > >> stay
> > >> >>> that way.
> > >> >>>> The only way for everyone to get a handle on this is to
> make the
> > >> >>>> phone call. Check out his head space and see what the deal
> is on
> > >> an
> > >> >>>> individual basis.
> > >> >>>> jduval
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> >>>>> From: "matthew carpenter" < matfhew.carpenfer@ gmail.com>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> How many inches does each version of the Frequency Shifter
> take?
> > >> >>>>> The table says 3 but the pictures of the panels show 2.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> On 5/30/07, matthew carpenter < matfhew.carpenfer@...>
> > >> >>>>> wrote: I use the Active Processor all the time for audio.
> I'll
> > >> let
> > >> >>>>> you know if it'll do a jump cut.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Yes, I'd like to place a last minute order, too. Such
> short
> > >> >>>>>> notice!
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Right, that was my point about getting a panel with
> certain
> > >> >>>>>> modules that we won't see on the shop panels... Or will
> we? All
> > >> >>>>>> of this raises more questions such as: Will there be new
> shop
> > >> >>>>>> panels with different configurations? Is Rex going to do
> > >> >>>>>> individual modules? Answers to these questions may be more
> > >> >>>>>> forthcoming by phone but they would certainly help me
> make my
> > >> >>>>>> decision more easily.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> On 5/30/07, riluttante < riluttante@... > wrote: --- In
> > >> >>>>>> SergeModular@yahoogroups.com, "matthew carpenter"
> > >> >>>>>> <matfhew.carpenfer @...>
> > >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>> >
> > >> >>>>>>> > Yeah, I like the Triple Waveshaper and Wave
> Multipliers,
> > >> too.
> > >> >>>>>>> The EQ is
> > >> >>>>>>> > brilliant, and the VCF2, I've yet to form a more solid
> > >> opinion
> > >> >>>>>>> on, and I
> > >> >>>>>>> > have two Active Processors which I use all the time.
> The
> > >> NCOM
> > >> >>>>>>> is great, too,
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Can you get the Active Processors to make a real hard
> > >> jump-cut,
> > >> >>>>>>> with no audible "fade"
> > >> >>>>>>> between the signals, when used with audio?
> > >> >>>>>>> Or does nobody use the AP with audio?
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> > so many uses, and Rex called it a rock crusher, once.
> I'll
> > >> be
> > >> >>>>>>> getting
> > >> >>>>>>> > another, and most of the lefthand side of a Soup
> Kitchen.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> So you're placing a last-minute custom order too?
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> > But, should any of us consider a module that we wouldn
> 't be
> > >> >>>>>>> able to get on a
> > >> >>>>>>> > shop panel, or in a practical combination with o ther
> > >> modules?
> > >> >>>>>>> How about a
> > >> >>>>>>> > Matrix Mixer, for example? A Dual Schmitt Trigger? Does
> > >> anyone
> > >> >>>>>>> have either?
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Yeah, I guess those are history, at least in the way we
> know
> > >> >>>>>>> them. I don't have a particular
> > >> >>>>>>> need for either of those modules, I think, but you're
> right in
> > >> >>>>>>> that if you'd want to own one,
> > >> >>>>>>> you'd need to put a panel together right now. There's no
> way
> > >> I'm
> > >> >>>>>>> ordering another
> > >> >>>>>>> complete Soup Kitchen, but I really want another Wave
> > >> Multiplier
> > >> >>>>>>> and EQ.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>