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When do you think Dot Com format will be available?  I want one! :)

I dont want one...I NEED One!

last I heard Cynthia said it was hopefully be ready to ship sometime
in January, but I dont think it has. 

Would be good to have an update on it, how much longer is expected to
take. I am waiting on when is def. ready to order one, since I have to
budget for other synth equipment each month.  

 C

--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "johan_et_pirlouit"
<johan_et_pirlouit@...> wrote:

>
> When do you think Dot Com format will be available?  I want one! :)
>

I was also waiting for them to be ready to ship, but sadly the recent
$100 increase in price just put it out of my reach :(  Oh well, Dot
Com-ers loose out.


--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "Carlos" <bushwick@...>
wrote:

>
> I dont want one...I NEED One!
> 
> last I heard Cynthia said it was hopefully be ready to ship sometime
> in January, but I dont think it has. 
> 
> Would be good to have an update on it, how much longer is expected to
> take. I am waiting on when is def. ready to order one, since I have to
> budget for other synth equipment each month.  
> 
>  C
> 
> --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "johan_et_pirlouit"
> <johan_et_pirlouit@> wrote:
> >
> > When do you think Dot Com format will be available?  I want one! :)
> >
>

hello cunthia,
i am quite dissapointed to see this price increase,
without any warning at all.
usually, a company, when it increaes their prices,
first has a warning to their customers. you made this
increase with no warning at all.
i had already saved all the ZO money from last
wednesday (and already a high price...) and me and my
friend Ingo Zobel, we were waiting for a third guy, so
as for us all to order 3 ZO's for the reduced price of
600 USD for each ZO.
and now i see this price increase just before we order
the 3 ZO's!
we would have placed the order on monday, latest!
why no warning at all? if i only knew this price
increase, then i would have placed my ZO order from
last wednesday, even if i would have to pay the full
650 USD price, for my ZO.
really dissapointed with this policy.
best regards,
bakis.





--- johan_et_pirlouit <johan_et_pirlouit@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> I was also waiting for them to be ready to ship, but
> sadly the recent
> $100 increase in price just put it out of my reach
> :(  Oh well, Dot
> Com-ers loose out.
> 
> 
> --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com,
> "Carlos" <bushwick@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I dont want one...I NEED One!
> > 
> > last I heard Cynthia said it was hopefully be
> ready to ship sometime
> > in January, but I dont think it has. 
> > 
> > Would be good to have an update on it, how much
> longer is expected to
> > take. I am waiting on when is def. ready to order
> one, since I have to
> > budget for other synth equipment each month.  
> > 
> >  C
> > 
> > --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com,
> "johan_et_pirlouit"
> > <johan_et_pirlouit@> wrote:
> > >
> > > When do you think Dot Com format will be
> available?  I want one! :)
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Hi Bakis,

I'm the third guy and Ingo is transfering my money to his PayPal account. But I think, we shall do it better not after this unannounced increase because of principle.Other mothers have nice daughters too or, in this case, other developers have nice modules too :-)

Most people would order the ZO independant of its price, I think it had a fair price in the time of planning, but now the point to return from this plan is reached. Its just the cent too much!

all the best

Axel

"Bakis Sirros" schrieb:

I agree its unfair.

both motm and .com raised prices on their modules this month, but both
gave plenty of warning to customers. I ordered modules from both that
I knew I was going ot get down the line to save some money. I am not
sure now if Ill order the ZO from cynthia. 

c.


--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, phaedra@... wrote:
>
> Hi Bakis,
> I'm the third guy and Ingo is transfering my money to his PayPal
account. But I think, we shall do it better not after this unannounced
increase because of principle.Other mothers have nice daughters too
or, in this case, other developers have nice modules too   :-)
> Most people would order the ZO independant of its price, I think it
had a fair price in the time of planning, but now the point to return
from this plan is reached. Its just the cent too much!

> all the best
> Axel 
>   "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@...> schrieb: 
> hello cunthia,
> i am quite dissapointed to see this price increase,
> without any warning at all.
> usually, a company, when it increaes their prices,
> first has a warning to their customers. you made this
> increase with no warning at all.
> i had already saved all the ZO money from last
> wednesday (and already a high price...) and me and my
> friend Ingo Zobel, we were waiting for a third guy, so
> as for us all to order 3 ZO's for the reduced price of
> 600 USD for each ZO.
> and now i see this price increase just before we order
> the 3 ZO's!
> we would have placed the order on monday, latest!
> why no warning at all? if i only knew this price
> increase, then i would have placed my ZO order from
> last wednesday, even if i would have to pay the full
> 650 USD price, for my ZO.
> really dissapointed with this policy.
> best regards,
> bakis.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- johan_et_pirlouit <johan_et_pirlouit@...>
> wrote:
> 
> > I was also waiting for them to be ready to ship, but
> > sadly the recent
> > $100 increase in price just put it out of my reach
> > :(  Oh well, Dot
> > Com-ers loose out.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Carlos" <bushwick@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I dont want one...I NEED One!
> > > 
> > > last I heard Cynthia said it was hopefully be
> > ready to ship sometime
> > > in January, but I dont think it has. 
> > > 
> > > Would be good to have an update on it, how much
> > longer is expected to
> > > take. I am waiting on when is def. ready to order
> > one, since I have to
> > > budget for other synth equipment each month.  
> > > 
> > >  C
> > > 
> > > --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com,
> > "johan_et_pirlouit"
> > > <johan_et_pirlouit@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When do you think Dot Com format will be
> > available?  I want one! :)
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds
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Richard

the increase was from 650 to 750. thats more than a 15% increase in
price.  is not 650 from 600.

the new sale availible is 2 zo's for 1400. thats still leaves them at
a more expensive price than before the increase,even if you buy two.  

Also the other companies you mentioned synthech and .com gave a fair
warning to their customers before increasing prices. Cynthia didn't. 

 C.


--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, Richard Brewster
<pugix@...> wrote:
>
> Pricing is not really a question of fairness.  It is a marketing 
> decision, and not an easy one.  Price can impact the quantity of sales, 
> with lower prices potentially yielding more sales numbers, depending on 
> the type of product.  But given equal production costs, the profit 
> margin is lower.  Mass production makes for lower prices, but in the 
> case of modules like the Zeroscillator, the mass production quantities 
> are not very large and the amount that Cynthia can save with quantities 
> is probably related to parts costs, such as panels, which are
cheaper in 
> quantities.  The assembly cost is going to be a constant.  Outfits like 
> Cyndustries, Synth Tech, and Synthesizers.com want to stay in business, 
> and you want them to, too.  They have to make money.  Their costs are 
> going up.  Given the tiny market for this type of product, it's amazing 
> we have these available at what are quite reasonable costs.  If $650
vs. 
> $600 per module is a deal breaker for some customers, that will need to 
> be considered by Cyndustries.  But it is up to them to set pricing.  It 
> is true that an unexpected price increase -- or the expiration of a
sale 
> price -- may annoy customers on the verge of a purchase.  I think that 
> such complaints are best worked out in private discussions with the
company.

> 
> Cynthia asks for a 50% deposit at the time of order.  If you had made a 
> deposit and then in the interim between your order and delivery the 
> price went up, you should end up paying the original price, since that 
> was the understanding at the time of order.  If not, then that would 
> indeed be unfair.  But I don't think that is the case here.
> 
> -Richard Brewster
> 
> http://www.pugix.com
> 
> 
> 
> Carlos wrote:
> 
> >I agree its unfair.
> >
> >both motm and .com raised prices on their modules this month, but both
> >gave plenty of warning to customers. I ordered modules from both that
> >I knew I was going ot get down the line to save some money. I am not
> >sure now if Ill order the ZO from cynthia. 
> >
> >c.
> >  
> >
>

Cynthia why did ya drop the bomb like this without any advanced notification? 
Considering the small community of module buyers and what other Modular 
Manufacturers have done in the past this is probably not the best marketing 
decision ever made.
If the original $650. was billed as a introductory price it would be easier to 
understand the increase. This is a very Botique kinda market and we all understand 
and accept price increases. I just think if you were more forward on this one it 
would have been easier to swallow.
I have been waiting on the DotCom to be announced ready for delivery to place my 
order.  : >(

tOny

I was trying to put it nicely, but I'm glad to see that all you guys
share my opinion.  It was totally unfair to raise the price without
warning.  I bet alot of us Dot Com-ers were waiting for the modules to
be ready before paying.  It says nowhere on the site that a deposit
was required.  I can't get one now, because I can't afford it and
because of principle.

--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "endmarketing" <tony@...>
wrote:
>
> Cynthia why did ya drop the bomb like this without any advanced
notification? 
> Considering the small community of module buyers and what other Modular 
> Manufacturers have done in the past this is probably not the best
marketing 
> decision ever made.
> If the original $650. was billed as a introductory price it would be
easier to 
> understand the increase. This is a very Botique kinda market and we
all understand 
> and accept price increases. I just think if you were more forward on
this one it 
> would have been easier to swallow.
> I have been waiting on the DotCom to be announced ready for delivery
to place my 

> order.  : >(
> 
> tOny
>

Pricing is not really a question of fairness.  It is a marketing 
decision, and not an easy one.  Price can impact the quantity of sales, 
with lower prices potentially yielding more sales numbers, depending on 
the type of product.  But given equal production costs, the profit 
margin is lower.  Mass production makes for lower prices, but in the 
case of modules like the Zeroscillator, the mass production quantities 
are not very large and the amount that Cynthia can save with quantities 
is probably related to parts costs, such as panels, which are cheaper in 
quantities.  The assembly cost is going to be a constant.  Outfits like 
Cyndustries, Synth Tech, and Synthesizers.com want to stay in business, 
and you want them to, too.  They have to make money.  Their costs are 
going up.  Given the tiny market for this type of product, it's amazing 
we have these available at what are quite reasonable costs.  If $650 vs. 
$600 per module is a deal breaker for some customers, that will need to 
be considered by Cyndustries.  But it is up to them to set pricing.  It 
is true that an unexpected price increase -- or the expiration of a sale 
price -- may annoy customers on the verge of a purchase.  I think that 
such complaints are best worked out in private discussions with the company.

Cynthia asks for a 50% deposit at the time of order.  If you had made a 
deposit and then in the interim between your order and delivery the 
price went up, you should end up paying the original price, since that 
was the understanding at the time of order.  If not, then that would 
indeed be unfair.  But I don't think that is the case here.

-Richard Brewster

http://www.pugix.com



Carlos wrote:

>I agree its unfair.
>
>both motm and .com raised prices on their modules this month, but both
>gave plenty of warning to customers. I ordered modules from both that
>I knew I was going ot get down the line to save some money. I am not
>sure now if Ill order the ZO from cynthia. 
>
>c.
>  
>

hello axel and cynthia,
my opinion is, that if cyndustries want not to loose
so many potential customers (like me, ingo and you
axel... and quite possibly others) they should return
the ZO price back to its previous price (650USD,
600USD with the special offer) warn their customers,
via this email list and their website, about a price
increase of the ZO and AFTER 7-10 days then they
should increase the ZO price to 750USD. that would be
the correct thing to do and i guess that many
customers would agree with me about this issue.
i really hope that Cynthia will understand this too
and correct the ZO price, asap.
so, then, we can place our planned ZO orders. we were
planning this triple purchase (me, ingo and axel) from
december 2005... and i have already paypaled my money
to ingo for this purchase from last wednesday. that
unwarned ZO price increase is REALLY unfair.
best regards,
bakis.




--- phaedra@t-online.de wrote:

> Hi Bakis,
> I'm the third guy and Ingo is transfering my money
> to his PayPal account. But I think, we shall do it
> better not after this unannounced increase because
> of principle.Other mothers have nice daughters too
> or, in this case, other developers have nice modules
> too   :-)
> Most people would order the ZO independant of its
> price, I think it had a fair price in the time of
> planning, but now the point to return from this plan
> is reached. Its just the cent too much!
> all the best
> Axel 
>   "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> schrieb: 
> hello cunthia,
> i am quite dissapointed to see this price increase,
> without any warning at all.
> usually, a company, when it increaes their prices,
> first has a warning to their customers. you made
> this
> increase with no warning at all.
> i had already saved all the ZO money from last
> wednesday (and already a high price...) and me and
> my
> friend Ingo Zobel, we were waiting for a third guy,
> so
> as for us all to order 3 ZO's for the reduced price
> of
> 600 USD for each ZO.
> and now i see this price increase just before we
> order
> the 3 ZO's!
> we would have placed the order on monday, latest!
> why no warning at all? if i only knew this price
> increase, then i would have placed my ZO order from
> last wednesday, even if i would have to pay the full
> 650 USD price, for my ZO.
> really dissapointed with this policy.
> best regards,
> bakis.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- johan_et_pirlouit <johan_et_pirlouit@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I was also waiting for them to be ready to ship,
> but
> > sadly the recent
> > $100 increase in price just put it out of my reach
> > :(  Oh well, Dot
> > Com-ers loose out.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Carlos" <bushwick@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I dont want one...I NEED One!
> > > 
> > > last I heard Cynthia said it was hopefully be
> > ready to ship sometime
> > > in January, but I dont think it has. 
> > > 
> > > Would be good to have an update on it, how much
> > longer is expected to
> > > take. I am waiting on when is def. ready to
> order
> > one, since I have to
> > > budget for other synth equipment each month.  
> > > 
> > >  C
> > > 
> > > --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com,
> > "johan_et_pirlouit"
> > > <johan_et_pirlouit@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When do you think Dot Com format will be
> > available?  I want one! :)
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
> http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> http://www.rubber.gr
> Athens-Greece
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hello richard,
all that you say is true.
BUT, as long as this (Big) price increase was totaly
unwarned, it IS unfair.
best regards,
bakis.




--- Richard Brewster <pugix@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Pricing is not really a question of fairness.  It is
> a marketing 
> decision, and not an easy one.  Price can impact the
> quantity of sales, 
> with lower prices potentially yielding more sales
> numbers, depending on 
> the type of product.  But given equal production
> costs, the profit 
> margin is lower.  Mass production makes for lower
> prices, but in the 
> case of modules like the Zeroscillator, the mass
> production quantities 
> are not very large and the amount that Cynthia can
> save with quantities 
> is probably related to parts costs, such as panels,
> which are cheaper in 
> quantities.  The assembly cost is going to be a
> constant.  Outfits like 
> Cyndustries, Synth Tech, and Synthesizers.com want
> to stay in business, 
> and you want them to, too.  They have to make money.
>  Their costs are 
> going up.  Given the tiny market for this type of
> product, it's amazing 
> we have these available at what are quite reasonable
> costs.  If $650 vs. 
> $600 per module is a deal breaker for some
> customers, that will need to 
> be considered by Cyndustries.  But it is up to them
> to set pricing.  It 
> is true that an unexpected price increase -- or the
> expiration of a sale 
> price -- may annoy customers on the verge of a
> purchase.  I think that 
> such complaints are best worked out in private
> discussions with the company.
> 
> Cynthia asks for a 50% deposit at the time of order.
>  If you had made a 
> deposit and then in the interim between your order
> and delivery the 
> price went up, you should end up paying the original
> price, since that 
> was the understanding at the time of order.  If not,
> then that would 
> indeed be unfair.  But I don't think that is the
> case here.
> 
> -Richard Brewster
> 
> http://www.pugix.com
> 
> 
> 
> Carlos wrote:
> 
> >I agree its unfair.
> >
> >both motm and .com raised prices on their modules
> this month, but both
> >gave plenty of warning to customers. I ordered
> modules from both that
> >I knew I was going ot get down the line to save
> some money. I am not
> >sure now if Ill order the ZO from cynthia. 
> >
> >c.
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 


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[Doepfer_a100] group owner
http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
http://www.rubber.gr
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Then again, this could be a marketing tactic.  If she lowers the price
back down to $650, most likely we'll all get off our asses and place
the orders already!  Just a thought.



--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "johan_et_pirlouit"
<johan_et_pirlouit@...> wrote:
>
> I was trying to put it nicely, but I'm glad to see that all you guys
> share my opinion.  It was totally unfair to raise the price without
> warning.  I bet alot of us Dot Com-ers were waiting for the modules to
> be ready before paying.  It says nowhere on the site that a deposit
> was required.  I can't get one now, because I can't afford it and
> because of principle.
> 
> --- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, "endmarketing" <tony@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Cynthia why did ya drop the bomb like this without any advanced
> notification? 
> > Considering the small community of module buyers and what other
Modular 

> > Manufacturers have done in the past this is probably not the best
> marketing 
> > decision ever made.
> > If the original $650. was billed as a introductory price it would be
> easier to 
> > understand the increase. This is a very Botique kinda market and we
> all understand 
> > and accept price increases. I just think if you were more forward on
> this one it 
> > would have been easier to swallow.
> > I have been waiting on the DotCom to be announced ready for delivery
> to place my 
> > order.  : >(
> > 
> > tOny
> >
>

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My my you wake-up late on Saturdays ;)

Thanks for being understanding for us Dot Com users.  I knew that with
this kind of reaction you would understand.  The website could have
been more clear that ZO's are made-to-order and payment should be made
in advance.  Modcan sells their stuff that way and so does Dot Com. 
The way things were written is seemed like you had stock of the
different formats, but just not yet for Dot Com and Blacet.  I'm only
about $100 away from being able to afford a $650 ZO, so I'll be
ordering soon. (definitely before March!)  


--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, Cynthia Webster
<cynthia.webster@...> wrote:
>
> Good Morning Everyone!
> 
> Ok, I'm drinking my first cup of coffee and whoa -
> there a lot of comments in the ol' email here about
> the recent Zeroscillator price increase...
> 
> After reading all of your comments, yes, I think actually everyone is 
> correct...
> 
> It's been about two months since launch, we've sold (52) Zeroscillators 
> in total,
> (forty of those sold in the first thirty-days).  All of us at 
> Cyndustries are delighted
> at the wonderfully positive response from everyone, we worked really 
> really hard
> to earn it.  Thank You All!
> 
> Forty out of the grand total of fifty-two ZO orders are either in MOTM 
> or Modcan format,
> the other format order quantities are Euro (6), Blacet (3), and
Dotcom (3).
> 
> Each format requires unique knobs, pots, connectors, & switches,
> as well as a panel and two circuit boards specific to that format.  In 
> order to get a fair price
> we must order this myriad of parts for all formats in very large 
> quantities, and there is a sort of
> financial tipping point where we need a minimum in sales of about (10) 
> of each format to sell
> in order to break even on that format. 
> 
> We still need a few more sales in Euro, but we have over a dozen of
them 
> near ready to ship
> already.  Blacet and Dotcom format customers could really push things 
> along in happening
> sooner if they'd place their orders now instead of waiting.  We're so 
> close already!
> 
> I've hear people say,"as soon as you start shipping Dotcom format 
> Zeroscillators, I'll get one"
> 
> (This is to us, a bit like 'the egg after the chicken'... when it is 
> your Dotcom format orders
> themselves that fuel and propel the project to completion, so please 
> don't hesitate if you are
> interested in ordering a Euro, Blacet or Dotcom format
Zeroscillator, go 
> ahead and order one.
> 
> Afterall, our decision to continue supplying more groovy designs in
each 
> of these formats
> is based upon Zeroscillator sales.
> 
> All formats of Zeroscillator use an additional set of four circuit 
> boards which are the main
> heart and soul of the circuit.  These A, B, C, and D boards are in
stock 
> a plenty, so
>  ~whatever~ format you order - the central part of the Zeroscillators 
> are built and ready now.
> 
> Getting to this point has really been exhilarating like running a NASA 
> type Moon launch,
> however the cost was great and we are still paying our many vendors
even 
> during this
> post Xmas retail slow down.  It was thought that raising the price
might 
> be the right solution
> to enable the very large circuit board runs that we still need in order 
> to start shipping the Blacet
> and Dotcom format Zeroscillators. 
> 
> Perhaps it was unfair to raise the price so suddenly, so many of you 
> were saving-up just to
> meet ~that~ price and we understand... and that is why effective 
> immediately
> the price will go back down to the original $650.00 per Zeroscillator 
> until March 1st.
> 
> Step right up and treat yourself to the most advanced analog oscillator 
> ever built,
> you ~know~ you deserve it!
> 
> We'll even honor the original, "buy three and save $150.00" offer until 
> then!  Hooray!
> 
> But the other side of that coin is...
> Please people, go-on and order a Zeroscillator or two Today instead of 
> sitting on the fence!
> 
> Great Thanks and Best Wishes!
> 
> 
> Cynthia
> 
> http://www.cyndustries.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> johan_et_pirlouit wrote:
> 
> > Then again, this could be a marketing tactic.  If she lowers the price
> > back down to $650, most likely we'll all get off our asses and place
> > the orders already!  Just a thought.
> >
> Pricing is not really a question of fairness.  It is a marketing
> decision, and not an easy one.  Price can impact the quantity of sales,
> with lower prices potentially yielding more sales numbers, depending on
> the type of product.  But given equal production costs, the profit
> margin is lower.  Mass production makes for lower prices, but in the
> case of modules like the Zeroscillator, the mass production quantities
> are not very large and the amount that Cynthia can save with quantities
> is probably related to parts costs, such as panels, which are cheaper in
> quantities.  The assembly cost is going to be a constant.  Outfits like
> Cyndustries, Synth Tech, and Synthesizers.com want to stay in business,
> and you want them to, too.  They have to make money.  Their costs are
> going up.  Given the tiny market for this type of product, it's amazing
> we have these available at what are quite reasonable costs.  If $650 vs.
> $600 per module is a deal breaker for some customers, that will need to
> be considered by Cyndustries.  But it is up to them to set pricing.  It
> is true that an unexpected price increase -- or the expiration of a sale
> price -- may annoy customers on the verge of a purchase.  I think that
> such complaints are best worked out in private discussions with the
company.

> 
> Cynthia asks for a 50% deposit at the time of order.  If you had made a
> deposit and then in the interim between your order and delivery the
> price went up, you should end up paying the original price, since that
> was the understanding at the time of order.  If not, then that would
> indeed be unfair.  But I don't think that is the case here.
> 
> -Richard Brewster
> 
> http://www.pugix.com
> 
> 
> 
> hello cunthia,
> i am quite dissapointed to see this price increase,
> without any warning at all.
> usually, a company, when it increaes their prices,
> first has a warning to their customers. you made this
> increase with no warning at all.
> i had already saved all the ZO money from last
> wednesday (and already a high price...) and me and my
> friend Ingo Zobel, we were waiting for a third guy, so
> as for us all to order 3 ZO's for the reduced price of
> 600 USD for each ZO.
> and now i see this price increase just before we order
> the 3 ZO's!
> we would have placed the order on monday, latest!
> why no warning at all? if i only knew this price
> increase, then i would have placed my ZO order from
> last wednesday, even if i would have to pay the full
> 650 USD price, for my ZO.
> really dissapointed with this policy.
> best regards,
> bakis.
>

Good Morning Everyone!

Ok, I'm drinking my first cup of coffee and whoa -
there a lot of comments in the ol' email here about
the recent Zeroscillator price increase...

After reading all of your comments, yes, I think actually everyone is 
correct...

It's been about two months since launch, we've sold (52) Zeroscillators 
in total,
(forty of those sold in the first thirty-days).  All of us at 
Cyndustries are delighted
at the wonderfully positive response from everyone, we worked really 
really hard
to earn it.  Thank You All!

Forty out of the grand total of fifty-two ZO orders are either in MOTM 
or Modcan format,
the other format order quantities are Euro (6), Blacet (3), and Dotcom (3).

Each format requires unique knobs, pots, connectors, & switches,
as well as a panel and two circuit boards specific to that format.  In 
order to get a fair price
we must order this myriad of parts for all formats in very large 
quantities, and there is a sort of
financial tipping point where we need a minimum in sales of about (10) 
of each format to sell
in order to break even on that format. 

We still need a few more sales in Euro, but we have over a dozen of them 
near ready to ship
already.  Blacet and Dotcom format customers could really push things 
along in happening
sooner if they'd place their orders now instead of waiting.  We're so 
close already!

I've hear people say,"as soon as you start shipping Dotcom format 
Zeroscillators, I'll get one"

(This is to us, a bit like 'the egg after the chicken'... when it is 
your Dotcom format orders
themselves that fuel and propel the project to completion, so please 
don't hesitate if you are
interested in ordering a Euro, Blacet or Dotcom format Zeroscillator, go 
ahead and order one.

Afterall, our decision to continue supplying more groovy designs in each 
of these formats
is based upon Zeroscillator sales.

All formats of Zeroscillator use an additional set of four circuit 
boards which are the main
heart and soul of the circuit.  These A, B, C, and D boards are in stock 
a plenty, so
 ~whatever~ format you order - the central part of the Zeroscillators 
are built and ready now.

Getting to this point has really been exhilarating like running a NASA 
type Moon launch,
however the cost was great and we are still paying our many vendors even 
during this
post Xmas retail slow down.  It was thought that raising the price might 
be the right solution
to enable the very large circuit board runs that we still need in order 
to start shipping the Blacet
and Dotcom format Zeroscillators. 

Perhaps it was unfair to raise the price so suddenly, so many of you 
were saving-up just to
meet ~that~ price and we understand... and that is why effective 
immediately
the price will go back down to the original $650.00 per Zeroscillator 
until March 1st.

Step right up and treat yourself to the most advanced analog oscillator 
ever built,
you ~know~ you deserve it!

We'll even honor the original, "buy three and save $150.00" offer until 
then!  Hooray!

But the other side of that coin is...
Please people, go-on and order a Zeroscillator or two Today instead of 
sitting on the fence!

Great Thanks and Best Wishes!


Cynthia

http://www.cyndustries.com/




johan_et_pirlouit wrote:

> Then again, this could be a marketing tactic.  If she lowers the price
> back down to $650, most likely we'll all get off our asses and place
> the orders already!  Just a thought.
>
Pricing is not really a question of fairness.  It is a marketing
decision, and not an easy one.  Price can impact the quantity of sales,
with lower prices potentially yielding more sales numbers, depending on
the type of product.  But given equal production costs, the profit
margin is lower.  Mass production makes for lower prices, but in the
case of modules like the Zeroscillator, the mass production quantities
are not very large and the amount that Cynthia can save with quantities
is probably related to parts costs, such as panels, which are cheaper in
quantities.  The assembly cost is going to be a constant.  Outfits like
Cyndustries, Synth Tech, and Synthesizers.com want to stay in business,
and you want them to, too.  They have to make money.  Their costs are
going up.  Given the tiny market for this type of product, it's amazing
we have these available at what are quite reasonable costs.  If $650 vs.
$600 per module is a deal breaker for some customers, that will need to
be considered by Cyndustries.  But it is up to them to set pricing.  It
is true that an unexpected price increase -- or the expiration of a sale
price -- may annoy customers on the verge of a purchase.  I think that
such complaints are best worked out in private discussions with the company.

Cynthia asks for a 50% deposit at the time of order.  If you had made a
deposit and then in the interim between your order and delivery the
price went up, you should end up paying the original price, since that
was the understanding at the time of order.  If not, then that would
indeed be unfair.  But I don't think that is the case here.

-Richard Brewster

http://www.pugix.com



hello cunthia,
i am quite dissapointed to see this price increase,
without any warning at all.
usually, a company, when it increaes their prices,
first has a warning to their customers. you made this
increase with no warning at all.
i had already saved all the ZO money from last
wednesday (and already a high price...) and me and my
friend Ingo Zobel, we were waiting for a third guy, so
as for us all to order 3 ZO's for the reduced price of
600 USD for each ZO.
and now i see this price increase just before we order
the 3 ZO's!
we would have placed the order on monday, latest!
why no warning at all? if i only knew this price
increase, then i would have placed my ZO order from
last wednesday, even if i would have to pay the full
650 USD price, for my ZO.
really dissapointed with this policy.
best regards,
bakis.

hello cynthia,
thank you so much!
you just proved that your company is awesome!
you'll, for sure, get 3 more ZO order's from Ingo
Zobel(on behalf of me, axel and himself) in the next
two days, tops.
again, many thanks for your really wise decision!
best regards,
bakis.




--- Cynthia Webster <cynthia.webster@gte.net> wrote:

> Good Morning Everyone!
> 
> Ok, I'm drinking my first cup of coffee and whoa -
> there a lot of comments in the ol' email here about
> the recent Zeroscillator price increase...
> 
> After reading all of your comments, yes, I think
> actually everyone is 
> correct...
> 
> It's been about two months since launch, we've sold
> (52) Zeroscillators 
> in total,
> (forty of those sold in the first thirty-days).  All
> of us at 
> Cyndustries are delighted
> at the wonderfully positive response from everyone,
> we worked really 
> really hard
> to earn it.  Thank You All!
> 
> Forty out of the grand total of fifty-two ZO orders
> are either in MOTM 
> or Modcan format,
> the other format order quantities are Euro (6),
> Blacet (3), and Dotcom (3).
> 
> Each format requires unique knobs, pots, connectors,
> & switches,
> as well as a panel and two circuit boards specific
> to that format.  In 
> order to get a fair price
> we must order this myriad of parts for all formats
> in very large 
> quantities, and there is a sort of
> financial tipping point where we need a minimum in
> sales of about (10) 
> of each format to sell
> in order to break even on that format. 
> 
> We still need a few more sales in Euro, but we have
> over a dozen of them 
> near ready to ship
> already.  Blacet and Dotcom format customers could
> really push things 
> along in happening
> sooner if they'd place their orders now instead of
> waiting.  We're so 
> close already!
> 
> I've hear people say,"as soon as you start shipping
> Dotcom format 
> Zeroscillators, I'll get one"
> 
> (This is to us, a bit like 'the egg after the
> chicken'... when it is 
> your Dotcom format orders
> themselves that fuel and propel the project to
> completion, so please 
> don't hesitate if you are
> interested in ordering a Euro, Blacet or Dotcom
> format Zeroscillator, go 
> ahead and order one.
> 
> Afterall, our decision to continue supplying more
> groovy designs in each 
> of these formats
> is based upon Zeroscillator sales.
> 
> All formats of Zeroscillator use an additional set
> of four circuit 
> boards which are the main
> heart and soul of the circuit.  These A, B, C, and D
> boards are in stock 
> a plenty, so
>  ~whatever~ format you order - the central part of
> the Zeroscillators 
> are built and ready now.
> 
> Getting to this point has really been exhilarating
> like running a NASA 
> type Moon launch,
> however the cost was great and we are still paying
> our many vendors even 
> during this
> post Xmas retail slow down.  It was thought that
> raising the price might 
> be the right solution
> to enable the very large circuit board runs that we
> still need in order 
> to start shipping the Blacet
> and Dotcom format Zeroscillators. 
> 
> Perhaps it was unfair to raise the price so
> suddenly, so many of you 
> were saving-up just to
> meet ~that~ price and we understand... and that is
> why effective 
> immediately
> the price will go back down to the original $650.00
> per Zeroscillator 
> until March 1st.
> 
> Step right up and treat yourself to the most
> advanced analog oscillator 
> ever built,
> you ~know~ you deserve it!
> 
> We'll even honor the original, "buy three and save
> $150.00" offer until 
> then!  Hooray!
> 
> But the other side of that coin is...
> Please people, go-on and order a Zeroscillator or
> two Today instead of 
> sitting on the fence!
> 
> Great Thanks and Best Wishes!
> 
> 
> Cynthia
> 
> http://www.cyndustries.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> johan_et_pirlouit wrote:
> 
> > Then again, this could be a marketing tactic.  If
> she lowers the price
> > back down to $650, most likely we'll all get off
> our asses and place
> > the orders already!  Just a thought.
> >
> Pricing is not really a question of fairness.  It is
> a marketing
> decision, and not an easy one.  Price can impact the
> quantity of sales,
> with lower prices potentially yielding more sales
> numbers, depending on
> the type of product.  But given equal production
> costs, the profit
> margin is lower.  Mass production makes for lower
> prices, but in the
> case of modules like the Zeroscillator, the mass
> production quantities
> are not very large and the amount that Cynthia can
> save with quantities
> is probably related to parts costs, such as panels,
> which are cheaper in
> quantities.  The assembly cost is going to be a
> constant.  Outfits like
> Cyndustries, Synth Tech, and Synthesizers.com want
> to stay in business,
> and you want them to, too.  They have to make money.
>  Their costs are
> going up.  Given the tiny market for this type of
> product, it's amazing
> we have these available at what are quite reasonable
> costs.  If $650 vs.
> $600 per module is a deal breaker for some
> customers, that will need to
> be considered by Cyndustries.  But it is up to them
> to set pricing.  It
> is true that an unexpected price increase -- or the
> expiration of a sale
> price -- may annoy customers on the verge of a
> purchase.  I think that
> such complaints are best worked out in private
> discussions with the company.
> 
> Cynthia asks for a 50% deposit at the time of order.
>  If you had made a
> deposit and then in the interim between your order
> and delivery the
> price went up, you should end up paying the original
> price, since that
> was the understanding at the time of order.  If not,
> then that would
> indeed be unfair.  But I don't think that is the
> case here.
> 
> -Richard Brewster
> 
> http://www.pugix.com
> 
> 
> 
> hello cunthia,
> i am quite dissapointed to see this price increase,
> without any warning at all.
> usually, a company, when it increaes their prices,
> first has a warning to their customers. you made
> this
> increase with no warning at all.
> i had already saved all the ZO money from last
> wednesday (and already a high price...) and me and
> my
> friend Ingo Zobel, we were waiting for a third guy,
> so
> 
=== message truncated ===


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http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
http://www.rubber.gr
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Bakis Sirros wrote:

> hello cynthia,
> thank you so much!
> you just proved that your company is awesome!
> you'll, for sure, get 3 more ZO order's from Ingo
> Zobel(on behalf of me, axel and himself) in the next
> two days, tops.
> again, many thanks for your really wise decision!
> best regards,
> bakis.


Hi

Hi Bakis!

Thanks so much for your support!


Cynthia

http://www.cyndustries.com/

>
>
>
>
> --- Cynthia Webster <cynthia.webster@gte.net> wrote:
>
> > Good Morning Everyone!
> >
> > Ok, I'm drinking my first cup of coffee and whoa -
> > there a lot of comments in the ol' email here about
> > the recent Zeroscillator price increase...
> >
> > After reading all of your comments, yes, I think
> > actually everyone is
> > correct...
> >
> > It's been about two months since launch, we've sold
> > (52) Zeroscillators
> > in total,
> > (forty of those sold in the first thirty-days).  All
> > of us at
> > Cyndustries are delighted
> > at the wonderfully positive response from everyone,
> > we worked really
> > really hard
> > to earn it.  Thank You All!
> >
> > Forty out of the grand total of fifty-two ZO orders
> > are either in MOTM
> > or Modcan format,
> > the other format order quantities are Euro (6),
> > Blacet (3), and Dotcom (3).
> >
> > Each format requires unique knobs, pots, connectors,
> > & switches,
> > as well as a panel and two circuit boards specific
> > to that format.  In
> > order to get a fair price
> > we must order this myriad of parts for all formats
> > in very large
> > quantities, and there is a sort of
> > financial tipping point where we need a minimum in
> > sales of about (10)
> > of each format to sell
> > in order to break even on that format.
> >
> > We still need a few more sales in Euro, but we have
> > over a dozen of them
> > near ready to ship
> > already.  Blacet and Dotcom format customers could
> > really push things
> > along in happening
> > sooner if they'd place their orders now instead of
> > waiting.  We're so
> > close already!
> >
> > I've hear people say,"as soon as you start shipping
> > Dotcom format
> > Zeroscillators, I'll get one"
> >
> > (This is to us, a bit like 'the egg after the
> > chicken'... when it is
> > your Dotcom format orders
> > themselves that fuel and propel the project to
> > completion, so please
> > don't hesitate if you are
> > interested in ordering a Euro, Blacet or Dotcom
> > format Zeroscillator, go
> > ahead and order one.
> >
> > Afterall, our decision to continue supplying more
> > groovy designs in each
> > of these formats
> > is based upon Zeroscillator sales.
> >
> > All formats of Zeroscillator use an additional set
> > of four circuit
> > boards which are the main
> > heart and soul of the circuit.  These A, B, C, and D
> > boards are in stock
> > a plenty, so
> >  ~whatever~ format you order - the central part of
> > the Zeroscillators
> > are built and ready now.
> >
> > Getting to this point has really been exhilarating
> > like running a NASA
> > type Moon launch,
> > however the cost was great and we are still paying
> > our many vendors even
> > during this
> > post Xmas retail slow down.  It was thought that
> > raising the price might
> > be the right solution
> > to enable the very large circuit board runs that we
> > still need in order
> > to start shipping the Blacet
> > and Dotcom format Zeroscillators.
> >
> > Perhaps it was unfair to raise the price so
> > suddenly, so many of you
> > were saving-up just to
> > meet ~that~ price and we understand... and that is
> > why effective
> > immediately
> > the price will go back down to the original $650.00
> > per Zeroscillator
> > until March 1st.
> >
> > Step right up and treat yourself to the most
> > advanced analog oscillator
> > ever built,
> > you ~know~ you deserve it!
> >
> > We'll even honor the original, "buy three and save
> > $150.00" offer until
> > then!  Hooray!
> >
> > But the other side of that coin is...
> > Please people, go-on and order a Zeroscillator or
> > two Today instead of
> > sitting on the fence!
> >
> > Great Thanks and Best Wishes!
> >
> >
> > Cynthia
> >
> > http://www.cyndustries.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > johan_et_pirlouit wrote:
> >
> > > Then again, this could be a marketing tactic.  If
> > she lowers the price
> > > back down to $650, most likely we'll all get off
> > our asses and place
> > > the orders already!  Just a thought.
> > >
> > Pricing is not really a question of fairness.  It is
> > a marketing
> > decision, and not an easy one.  Price can impact the
> > quantity of sales,
> > with lower prices potentially yielding more sales
> > numbers, depending on
> > the type of product.  But given equal production
> > costs, the profit
> > margin is lower.  Mass production makes for lower
> > prices, but in the
> > case of modules like the Zeroscillator, the mass
> > production quantities
> > are not very large and the amount that Cynthia can
> > save with quantities
> > is probably related to parts costs, such as panels,
> > which are cheaper in
> > quantities.  The assembly cost is going to be a
> > constant.  Outfits like
> > Cyndustries, Synth Tech, and Synthesizers.com want
> > to stay in business,
> > and you want them to, too.  They have to make money.
> >  Their costs are
> > going up.  Given the tiny market for this type of
> > product, it's amazing
> > we have these available at what are quite reasonable
> > costs.  If $650 vs.
> > $600 per module is a deal breaker for some
> > customers, that will need to
> > be considered by Cyndustries.  But it is up to them
> > to set pricing.  It
> > is true that an unexpected price increase -- or the
> > expiration of a sale
> > price -- may annoy customers on the verge of a
> > purchase.  I think that
> > such complaints are best worked out in private
> > discussions with the company.
> >
> > Cynthia asks for a 50% deposit at the time of order.
> >  If you had made a
> > deposit and then in the interim between your order
> > and delivery the
> > price went up, you should end up paying the original
> > price, since that
> > was the understanding at the time of order.  If not,
> > then that would
> > indeed be unfair.  But I don't think that is the
> > case here.
> >
> > -Richard Brewster
> >
> > http://www.pugix.com
> >
> >
> >
> > hello cunthia,
> > i am quite dissapointed to see this price increase,
> > without any warning at all.
> > usually, a company, when it increaes their prices,
> > first has a warning to their customers. you made
> > this
> > increase with no warning at all.
> > i had already saved all the ZO money from last
> > wednesday (and already a high price...) and me and
> > my
> > friend Ingo Zobel, we were waiting for a third guy,
> > so
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
> http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
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Yuhuuu! Then my ordered ZO will ship soon?? I'm waiting!!

Luk




--- In The_Cyndustries_List@yahoogroups.com, Cynthia Webster <cynthia.webster@...> 
wrote:
>
> Bakis Sirros wrote:
> 
> > hello cynthia,
> > thank you so much!
> > you just proved that your company is awesome!
> > you'll, for sure, get 3 more ZO order's from Ingo
> > Zobel(on behalf of me, axel and himself) in the next
> > two days, tops.
> > again, many thanks for your really wise decision!
> > best regards,
> > bakis.
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> Hi Bakis!
> 
> Thanks so much for your support!
> 
> 
> Cynthia
> 
> http://www.cyndustries.com/
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Cynthia Webster <cynthia.webster@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Good Morning Everyone!
> > >
> > > Ok, I'm drinking my first cup of coffee and whoa -
> > > there a lot of comments in the ol' email here about
> > > the recent Zeroscillator price increase...
> > >
> > > After reading all of your comments, yes, I think
> > > actually everyone is
> > > correct...
> > >
> > > It's been about two months since launch, we've sold
> > > (52) Zeroscillators
> > > in total,
> > > (forty of those sold in the first thirty-days).  All
> > > of us at
> > > Cyndustries are delighted
> > > at the wonderfully positive response from everyone,
> > > we worked really
> > > really hard
> > > to earn it.  Thank You All!
> > >
> > > Forty out of the grand total of fifty-two ZO orders
> > > are either in MOTM
> > > or Modcan format,
> > > the other format order quantities are Euro (6),
> > > Blacet (3), and Dotcom (3).
> > >
> > > Each format requires unique knobs, pots, connectors,
> > > & switches,
> > > as well as a panel and two circuit boards specific
> > > to that format.  In
> > > order to get a fair price
> > > we must order this myriad of parts for all formats
> > > in very large
> > > quantities, and there is a sort of
> > > financial tipping point where we need a minimum in
> > > sales of about (10)
> > > of each format to sell
> > > in order to break even on that format.
> > >
> > > We still need a few more sales in Euro, but we have
> > > over a dozen of them
> > > near ready to ship
> > > already.  Blacet and Dotcom format customers could
> > > really push things
> > > along in happening
> > > sooner if they'd place their orders now instead of
> > > waiting.  We're so
> > > close already!
> > >
> > > I've hear people say,"as soon as you start shipping
> > > Dotcom format
> > > Zeroscillators, I'll get one"
> > >
> > > (This is to us, a bit like 'the egg after the
> > > chicken'... when it is
> > > your Dotcom format orders
> > > themselves that fuel and propel the project to
> > > completion, so please
> > > don't hesitate if you are
> > > interested in ordering a Euro, Blacet or Dotcom
> > > format Zeroscillator, go
> > > ahead and order one.
> > >
> > > Afterall, our decision to continue supplying more
> > > groovy designs in each
> > > of these formats
> > > is based upon Zeroscillator sales.
> > >
> > > All formats of Zeroscillator use an additional set
> > > of four circuit
> > > boards which are the main
> > > heart and soul of the circuit.  These A, B, C, and D
> > > boards are in stock
> > > a plenty, so
> > >  ~whatever~ format you order - the central part of
> > > the Zeroscillators
> > > are built and ready now.
> > >
> > > Getting to this point has really been exhilarating
> > > like running a NASA
> > > type Moon launch,
> > > however the cost was great and we are still paying
> > > our many vendors even
> > > during this
> > > post Xmas retail slow down.  It was thought that
> > > raising the price might
> > > be the right solution
> > > to enable the very large circuit board runs that we
> > > still need in order
> > > to start shipping the Blacet
> > > and Dotcom format Zeroscillators.
> > >
> > > Perhaps it was unfair to raise the price so
> > > suddenly, so many of you
> > > were saving-up just to
> > > meet ~that~ price and we understand... and that is
> > > why effective
> > > immediately
> > > the price will go back down to the original $650.00
> > > per Zeroscillator
> > > until March 1st.
> > >
> > > Step right up and treat yourself to the most
> > > advanced analog oscillator
> > > ever built,
> > > you ~know~ you deserve it!
> > >
> > > We'll even honor the original, "buy three and save
> > > $150.00" offer until
> > > then!  Hooray!
> > >
> > > But the other side of that coin is...
> > > Please people, go-on and order a Zeroscillator or
> > > two Today instead of
> > > sitting on the fence!
> > >
> > > Great Thanks and Best Wishes!
> > >
> > >
> > > Cynthia
> > >
> > > http://www.cyndustries.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > johan_et_pirlouit wrote:
> > >
> > > > Then again, this could be a marketing tactic.  If
> > > she lowers the price
> > > > back down to $650, most likely we'll all get off
> > > our asses and place
> > > > the orders already!  Just a thought.
> > > >
> > > Pricing is not really a question of fairness.  It is
> > > a marketing
> > > decision, and not an easy one.  Price can impact the
> > > quantity of sales,
> > > with lower prices potentially yielding more sales
> > > numbers, depending on
> > > the type of product.  But given equal production
> > > costs, the profit
> > > margin is lower.  Mass production makes for lower
> > > prices, but in the
> > > case of modules like the Zeroscillator, the mass
> > > production quantities
> > > are not very large and the amount that Cynthia can
> > > save with quantities
> > > is probably related to parts costs, such as panels,
> > > which are cheaper in
> > > quantities.  The assembly cost is going to be a
> > > constant.  Outfits like
> > > Cyndustries, Synth Tech, and Synthesizers.com want
> > > to stay in business,
> > > and you want them to, too.  They have to make money.
> > >  Their costs are
> > > going up.  Given the tiny market for this type of
> > > product, it's amazing
> > > we have these available at what are quite reasonable
> > > costs.  If $650 vs.
> > > $600 per module is a deal breaker for some
> > > customers, that will need to
> > > be considered by Cyndustries.  But it is up to them
> > > to set pricing.  It
> > > is true that an unexpected price increase -- or the
> > > expiration of a sale
> > > price -- may annoy customers on the verge of a
> > > purchase.  I think that
> > > such complaints are best worked out in private
> > > discussions with the company.
> > >
> > > Cynthia asks for a 50% deposit at the time of order.
> > >  If you had made a
> > > deposit and then in the interim between your order
> > > and delivery the
> > > price went up, you should end up paying the original
> > > price, since that
> > > was the understanding at the time of order.  If not,
> > > then that would
> > > indeed be unfair.  But I don't think that is the
> > > case here.
> > >
> > > -Richard Brewster
> > >
> > > http://www.pugix.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > hello cunthia,
> > > i am quite dissapointed to see this price increase,
> > > without any warning at all.
> > > usually, a company, when it increaes their prices,
> > > first has a warning to their customers. you made
> > > this
> > > increase with no warning at all.
> > > i had already saved all the ZO money from last
> > > wednesday (and already a high price...) and me and
> > > my
> > > friend Ingo Zobel, we were waiting for a third guy,
> > > so
> > >
> > === message truncated ===
> >
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