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Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by c.jones1078

Hi, I recently bought a BCR-2000 and am having some difficulty getting it going.

When I hit the edit then store buttons, they do not stay lit so I can't change any global settings or choose an operating mode. Also, with the exception of the push encoder group buttons, all of the buttons don't do anything but say 'on' when I press them and then say 'off' when I let go. The unit is on Preset 1 with no way of changing it. 

I've tried resetting it and re-updating the firmware countless times with no change.

Can anyone help??

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by Cornelius Schmierbeck

Hi, sounds strange!
My suggestion would be to send a factory-sysex file to your unit. 

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx
under PRESETS download Factory Presets

Then use Bome's SendSX, set up your Midi-Out to your Bcr2000 and send bcr_FACTORY_PRESETS.syx

Good luck!

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by Mark v.d. Berg

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "c.jones1078" <chrispopovski@...> wrote:
> When I hit the edit then store buttons, they do not stay lit so I can't change any global settings or choose an operating mode. Also, with the exception of the push encoder group buttons, all of the buttons don't do anything but say 'on' when I press them and then say 'off' when I let go. The unit is on Preset 1 with no way of changing it. 

Maybe memory preset 1 redefines the four function keys (STORE, LEARN, EDIT and EXIT) as "ordinary" buttons.
Does pressing ">" move you to preset 2? If not, this could mean that preset 1 also redefines the "<" and ">" buttons as "ordinary" ones.

To circumvent memory preset 1:
When the unit is off, hold STORE and EXIT, then press the POWER button: the display should say "Init" briefly, after which you get a clean (temporary) preset and you should be able to execute EDIT + STORE to enter Global Setup ("EG") mode.
For more information, see section 22 of "BC MIDI Implementation.pdf" (http://home.kpn.nl/f2hmjvandenberg281/bc2000.html).

> I've tried resetting it and re-updating the firmware countless times with no change.

If the display briefly says "1.10" after power-up, the firmware is totally fine and re-updating it is completely useless.

Hope this helps,
Mark.

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by Cornelius Schmierbeck

Yep, the person you bought it from could've changed the functions of the buttons.

//offtopic on

You can change the function buttons to normal CC-sending buttons in a software like BCManager.

If you're doing so, you have to rely on a computer and always send a STORE-sysex file for storing presets. 
(Cause you don't have a store-button anymore)

//offtopic off

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by mmruijgrok

There's also a way of resetting on the BCR/BCF itself although I'm not sure if this restores ALL functions but the manual the manual calls it a panic reset that resets "most" important MIDI data to their factory settings:

1. Press EDIT and keep it pressed.
2. Now press EXIT.
PAnC should now appear on the display.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Cornelius Schmierbeck" <funkmast.musi@...> wrote:
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> Yep, the person you bought it from could've changed the functions of the buttons.
> 
> //offtopic on
> 
> You can change the function buttons to normal CC-sending buttons in a software like BCManager.
> 
> If you're doing so, you have to rely on a computer and always send a STORE-sysex file for storing presets. 
> (Cause you don't have a store-button anymore)
> 
> //offtopic off
>

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by c.jones1078

Tried it but no change. Pressing the preset buttons still toggles the display from on to off.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Cornelius Schmierbeck" <funkmast.musi@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi, sounds strange!
> My suggestion would be to send a factory-sysex file to your unit. 
> 
> http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx
> under PRESETS download Factory Presets
> 
> Then use Bome's SendSX, set up your Midi-Out to your Bcr2000 and send bcr_FACTORY_PRESETS.syx
> 
> Good luck!
>

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by c.jones1078

Mark, that worked! 

I was able to access the Global Setup mode. I'm now attempting to restore the factory presets. I don't even want them to be honest, I only plan on using the BCR to control my hardware synths. Is there a better way to reset the machine? 

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
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> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "c.jones1078" <chrispopovski@> wrote:
> > When I hit the edit then store buttons, they do not stay lit so I can't change any global settings or choose an operating mode. Also, with the exception of the push encoder group buttons, all of the buttons don't do anything but say 'on' when I press them and then say 'off' when I let go. The unit is on Preset 1 with no way of changing it. 
> 
> Maybe memory preset 1 redefines the four function keys (STORE, LEARN, EDIT and EXIT) as "ordinary" buttons.
> Does pressing ">" move you to preset 2? If not, this could mean that preset 1 also redefines the "<" and ">" buttons as "ordinary" ones.
> 
> To circumvent memory preset 1:
> When the unit is off, hold STORE and EXIT, then press the POWER button: the display should say "Init" briefly, after which you get a clean (temporary) preset and you should be able to execute EDIT + STORE to enter Global Setup ("EG") mode.
> For more information, see section 22 of "BC MIDI Implementation.pdf" (http://home.kpn.nl/f2hmjvandenberg281/bc2000.html).
> 
> > I've tried resetting it and re-updating the firmware countless times with no change.
> 
> If the display briefly says "1.10" after power-up, the firmware is totally fine and re-updating it is completely useless.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Mark.
>

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by c.jones1078

Think I spoke too soon. While I can now change presets, I can't enter edit mode. 


--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "c.jones1078" <chrispopovski@...> wrote:
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>
> Mark, that worked! 
> 
> I was able to access the Global Setup mode. I'm now attempting to restore the factory presets. I don't even want them to be honest, I only plan on using the BCR to control my hardware synths. Is there a better way to reset the machine? 
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "c.jones1078" <chrispopovski@> wrote:
> > > When I hit the edit then store buttons, they do not stay lit so I can't change any global settings or choose an operating mode. Also, with the exception of the push encoder group buttons, all of the buttons don't do anything but say 'on' when I press them and then say 'off' when I let go. The unit is on Preset 1 with no way of changing it. 
> > 
> > Maybe memory preset 1 redefines the four function keys (STORE, LEARN, EDIT and EXIT) as "ordinary" buttons.
> > Does pressing ">" move you to preset 2? If not, this could mean that preset 1 also redefines the "<" and ">" buttons as "ordinary" ones.
> > 
> > To circumvent memory preset 1:
> > When the unit is off, hold STORE and EXIT, then press the POWER button: the display should say "Init" briefly, after which you get a clean (temporary) preset and you should be able to execute EDIT + STORE to enter Global Setup ("EG") mode.
> > For more information, see section 22 of "BC MIDI Implementation.pdf" (http://home.kpn.nl/f2hmjvandenberg281/bc2000.html).
> > 
> > > I've tried resetting it and re-updating the firmware countless times with no change.
> > 
> > If the display briefly says "1.10" after power-up, the firmware is totally fine and re-updating it is completely useless.
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> > Mark.
> >
>

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by Mark v.d. Berg

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "mmruijgrok" <senang@...> wrote:
> There's also a way of resetting on the BCR/BCF itself although I'm not sure if this restores ALL functions but the manual the manual calls it a panic reset that resets "most" important MIDI data to their factory settings:
> 
> 1. Press EDIT and keep it pressed.
> 2. Now press EXIT.
> PAnC should now appear on the display.

I think there are two problems with this:

1. Panic Reset doesn't work if the current preset has turned the 4 function keys (including EDIT and EXIT) into "ordinary" buttons.

2. Behringer's official manual is ridiculously vague about this, but Panic Reset doesn't actually modify the BCR's state in any way: it merely outputs a few MIDI messages...
See "BC MIDI Implementation.pdf", section 23.3.

Mark.

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by Mark v.d. Berg

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "c.jones1078" <chrispopovski@...> wrote:
>
> Think I spoke too soon. While I can now change presets, I can't enter edit mode. 

I'm not sure what's going on here exactly, but in any case you should be aware that even after you have started up with the "Init" preset, a preset change (via "<" or ">") might select a memory preset that again redefines the function keys and possibly the "<" and ">" keys as well...

To get rid of this danger, you could write the clean "Init" preset to one or more memory presets:
1. Press STORE.
2. Select the memory preset (1-32) of your choice via "<" and ">"
3. Press STORE again.

Hope this helps,
Mark.

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by c.jones1078

One step ahead of you. That's the first thing I did once I got preset control back. 

However, I don't think the function keys are redefined anymore. Actually, none of the keys except the STORE key and ENCODER GROUPS are doing anything anymore nor are any encoders. No display changes, no buttons lighting up. Nothing. 

Weird isn't it?

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
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> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "c.jones1078" <chrispopovski@> wrote:
> >
> > Think I spoke too soon. While I can now change presets, I can't enter edit mode. 
> 
> I'm not sure what's going on here exactly, but in any case you should be aware that even after you have started up with the "Init" preset, a preset change (via "<" or ">") might select a memory preset that again redefines the function keys and possibly the "<" and ">" keys as well...
> 
> To get rid of this danger, you could write the clean "Init" preset to one or more memory presets:
> 1. Press STORE.
> 2. Select the memory preset (1-32) of your choice via "<" and ">"
> 3. Press STORE again.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Mark.
>

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-24 by mmruijgrok

Right. Like I said, I wasn't sure about it being a complete factory reset but indeed, if even the function keys have been mangled up this wouldn't work.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@...> wrote:
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>
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "mmruijgrok" <senang@> wrote:
> > There's also a way of resetting on the BCR/BCF itself although I'm not sure if this restores ALL functions but the manual the manual calls it a panic reset that resets "most" important MIDI data to their factory settings:
> > 
> > 1. Press EDIT and keep it pressed.
> > 2. Now press EXIT.
> > PAnC should now appear on the display.
> 
> I think there are two problems with this:
> 
> 1. Panic Reset doesn't work if the current preset has turned the 4 function keys (including EDIT and EXIT) into "ordinary" buttons.
> 
> 2. Behringer's official manual is ridiculously vague about this, but Panic Reset doesn't actually modify the BCR's state in any way: it merely outputs a few MIDI messages...
> See "BC MIDI Implementation.pdf", section 23.3.
> 
> Mark.
>

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2013-07-25 by c.jones1078

Seems to be working now, I loaded my first preset (DW-8000) and got it working.

Thanks Mark and everyone else for your help.

--- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "mmruijgrok" <senang@...> wrote:
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>
> Right. Like I said, I wasn't sure about it being a complete factory reset but indeed, if even the function keys have been mangled up this wouldn't work.
> 
> --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "Mark v.d. Berg" <markwinvdb@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In bc2000@yahoogroups.com, "mmruijgrok" <senang@> wrote:
> > > There's also a way of resetting on the BCR/BCF itself although I'm not sure if this restores ALL functions but the manual the manual calls it a panic reset that resets "most" important MIDI data to their factory settings:
> > > 
> > > 1. Press EDIT and keep it pressed.
> > > 2. Now press EXIT.
> > > PAnC should now appear on the display.
> > 
> > I think there are two problems with this:
> > 
> > 1. Panic Reset doesn't work if the current preset has turned the 4 function keys (including EDIT and EXIT) into "ordinary" buttons.
> > 
> > 2. Behringer's official manual is ridiculously vague about this, but Panic Reset doesn't actually modify the BCR's state in any way: it merely outputs a few MIDI messages...
> > See "BC MIDI Implementation.pdf", section 23.3.
> > 
> > Mark.
> >
>

Re: Can't access Global Menu or any Presets

2015-08-27 by absent@...

This trick just fixed my issue.

I had no global mode. I "</>"'d to a different preset, hit store, and saved it. After this, Global Edit mode returned.

Weirdly, I had also been messing with DW8000 editing. However, I *just can't remember* if I was doing on my BCF or my BCR.

I an added complication, as well. My BCF is missing the first three push encoders, and I had to make my mode adjustments by sticking a "tool" in the hole to turn it *facepalm*. Worked, though.

Thanks!

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