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Serge SSG problem.

Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-09 by Stephen Richards

Hi Ken and all fellow CGS/Serge builders ,

I've literally been trying to get the Stepped part of the SSG , in my VV1 Serge Panel (dmitri panel #1) , going for more than a month to no avail. It's become all i do when i get up in the morning , every day. I'm becoming burned out.

I feel bad asking so many questions but i have very little actual electronics knowledge ; so i have to.
I don't want to lump this all on Ken , so if anyone else can help that would be awesome.

The other day i tried desoldering the join between the L and S pads and it burned the 100n Cap connected to the CA3080.

Can anyone tell me why this would have happened ? It might help me figure out what is going on here.

I'm going mad in a cycle of trying to fix this thing not knowing if the first time i turn it on another CA3080 will be fried or something ; i've socket the J201 and reversed BC557 for now , CA3080 , LM3900 and TL072 are all socketed.

8 pin sockets are machined , 14 pin are not.

Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-09 by Neil Baldwin

Could you take a high resolution photo of the front and back side of the board and upload them to the group or to a photo service such as Flickr?


On 9 Nov 2013, at 06:55, Stephen Richards <okayjustalittle@...> wrote:

Hi Ken and all fellow CGS/Serge builders ,

I've literally been trying to get the Stepped part of the SSG , in my VV1 Serge Panel (dmitri panel #1) , going for more than a month to no avail. It's become all i do when i get up in the morning , every day. I'm becoming burned out.

I feel bad asking so many questions but i have very little actual electronics knowledge ; so i have to.
I don't want to lump this all on Ken , so if anyone else can help that would be awesome.

The other day i tried desoldering the join between the L and S pads and it burned the 100n Cap connected to the CA3080.

Can anyone tell me why this would have happened ? It might help me figure out what is going on here.

I'm going mad in a cycle of trying to fix this thing not knowing if the first time i turn it on another CA3080 will be fried or something ; i've socket the J201 and reversed BC557 for now , CA3080 , LM3900 and TL072 are all socketed.

8 pin sockets are machined , 14 pin are not.

Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-09 by Scott Young

As Neil said pictures would definitely help. Looking at the data sheets the BC557 should be reversed as the pinouts are the other way about to the PN4250.

The issue with the 100n is strange but they are close on the board and also to the BC557 - did you initially have the BC557 the other way round and have to desolder it? Is it possible there's been some damage to the board in that area?

Also have you tried adjusting the trimmer? I built a DUSG this week and was getting nowhere with it until I tried that - sometimes it's not a setting to taste, you need it in the right place for it to work at all.

Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-09 by Stephen Richards

I'll try and get some photos up.

I have desoldered a few components a few times the reversed BC557 and the J201 and a few wires.y wiring is a bit hackneyed as I use a larger gauge wire than the anchor holes allow but it's never really caused me grief and I've built 6 of these panels in the last 3 years and i'm onto 7th.

The full SSG I built in Dmitri panel #2 works no problem.

I had a similar situation as this on my first panel with a CGS29 Wave Mult. Ended up swapping it out for a Serge Wave Mult.

I'll try the trimmer again too.

Thanks , I'll keep you all posted.





On 09/11/2013, at 8:51 PM, Scott Young <thebot@...> wrote:

As Neil said pictures would definitely help. Looking at the data sheets the BC557 should be reversed as the pinouts are the other way about to the PN4250.

The issue with the 100n is strange but they are close on the board and also to the BC557 - did you initially have the BC557 the other way round and have to desolder it? Is it possible there's been some damage to the board in that area?

Also have you tried adjusting the trimmer? I built a DUSG this week and was getting nowhere with it until I tried that - sometimes it's not a setting to taste, you need it in the right place for it to work at all.

Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-09 by Dmitri SFC

The wire/jumper between L & S pads should make the bottom section seem like it doesnt work at all, until you feed it that high Coupler output (while patched to cycle).
When the L to S jumper is not installed the bottom section should Cycle at audio range like the top section does, making it a bit confusing at first.
Actually if you are wiring for COA #1 i would assume that you plan to use both sections as slews / no L to S jumper would be needed in that case.
With a photo we should be able to help. I only have the old board version here ( first CGS version) need to wire a COA#2 this week & need to order more PCBs ! :)
d

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Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-09 by Stephen Richards

Thanks D

The time difference is a bit killer and i started on my COA #3 today to get my mind off it all. I'll take some photos in the morning. In around 9 hrs or so. Maybe check back around 4 or 5pm Cali time.

If i can't upload pics to this forum , i might take it over to muffs. Or PM you.

cheers all
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On Saturday, November 9, 2013 11:49 PM, Dmitri SFC <dankedout415@...> wrote:
The wire/jumper between L & S pads should make the bottom section seem like it doesnt work at all, until you feed it that high Coupler output (while patched to cycle).
When the L to S jumper is not installed the bottom section should Cycle at audio range like the top section does, making it a bit confusing at first.
Actually if you are wiring for COA #1 i would assume that you plan to use both sections as slews / no L to S jumper would be needed in that case.
With a photo we should be able to help. I only have the old board version here ( first CGS version) need to wire a COA#2 this week & need to order more PCBs ! :)
d

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Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-10 by Stephen Richards

Photos are up !

On 09/11/2013, at 9:28 PM, Stephen Richards <okayjustalittle@...> wrote:

I'll try and get some photos up.

I have desoldered a few components a few times the reversed BC557 and the J201 and a few wires.y wiring is a bit hackneyed as I use a larger gauge wire than the anchor holes allow but it's never really caused me grief and I've built 6 of these panels in the last 3 years and i'm onto 7th.

The full SSG I built in Dmitri panel #2 works no problem.

I had a similar situation as this on my first panel with a CGS29 Wave Mult. Ended up swapping it out for a Serge Wave Mult.

I'll try the trimmer again too.

Thanks , I'll keep you all posted.





On 09/11/2013, at 8:51 PM, Scott Young <thebot@...> wrote:

As Neil said pictures would definitely help. Looking at the data sheets the BC557 should be reversed as the pinouts are the other way about to the PN4250.

The issue with the 100n is strange but they are close on the board and also to the BC557 - did you initially have the BC557 the other way round and have to desolder it? Is it possible there's been some damage to the board in that area?

Also have you tried adjusting the trimmer? I built a DUSG this week and was getting nowhere with it until I tried that - sometimes it's not a setting to taste, you need it in the right place for it to work at all.

Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-10 by cg_synth

From the photos it looks okay to me. It's hard to tell on the track side for obvious reasons. Have you tried to simply get it to work as a Smooth, by leaving out the link between L and S?

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Photos are up !

On 09/11/2013, at 9:28 PM, Stephen Richards <okayjustalittle@...> wrote:

I'll try and get some photos up.

I have desoldered a few components a few times the reversed BC557 and the J201 and a few wires.y wiring is a bit hackneyed as I use a larger gauge wire than the anchor holes allow but it's never really caused me grief and I've built 6 of these panels in the last 3 years and i'm onto 7th.

The full SSG I built in Dmitri panel #2 works no problem.

I had a similar situation as this on my first panel with a CGS29 Wave Mult. Ended up swapping it out for a Serge Wave Mult.

I'll try the trimmer again too.

Thanks , I'll keep you all posted.



Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-10 by Scott Young

Only thing that I can see from the photos is a bit of discolouration around the 220n next to the PN4250 / CA3080. Probably nothing but would be worth checking for continuity on the parts round there. It's nice tidy work so the only thing I can see being an issue is where you've had to desolder.

Cheers,
Scott.

Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-10 by Stephen Richards

Looks like that's what Dmitri intended , which I didn't know until last night. I'm suspicious of one of the J201 legs as I found a bit of what looked like a ice of track on it. Going to check it when I get home.

On 10/11/2013, at 3:11 PM, <sasami@...> wrote:

From the photos it looks okay to me. It's hard to tell on the track side for obvious reasons. Have you tried to simply get it to work as a Smooth, by leaving out the link between L and S?



---In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, <okayjustalittle@...> wrote:

Photos are up !

On 09/11/2013, at 9:28 PM, Stephen Richards <okayjustalittle@...> wrote:

I'll try and get some photos up.

I have desoldered a few components a few times the reversed BC557 and the J201 and a few wires.y wiring is a bit hackneyed as I use a larger gauge wire than the anchor holes allow but it's never really caused me grief and I've built 6 of these panels in the last 3 years and i'm onto 7th.

The full SSG I built in Dmitri panel #2 works no problem.

I had a similar situation as this on my first panel with a CGS29 Wave Mult. Ended up swapping it out for a Serge Wave Mult.

I'll try the trimmer again too.

Thanks , I'll keep you all posted.



Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-10 by Stephen Richards

Cheers Scott ! I'll have a look.

On 10/11/2013, at 8:10 PM, Scott Young <thebot@...> wrote:

Only thing that I can see from the photos is a bit of discolouration around the 220n next to the PN4250 / CA3080. Probably nothing but would be worth checking for continuity on the parts round there. It's nice tidy work so the only thing I can see being an issue is where you've had to desolder.

Cheers,
Scott.

Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-13 by Stephen Richards

Hi Ken , Dmitri and all

I don't know why but after removing the L to S connection this time , the 100n Cap next door to the CA3080 didn't burn and the 'STEPPED' section is working finally.

Apart from removing the L to S all i did was reflow a couple of resistor joints that looked a bit dodgy (even though they were beeping under continuity testing). Go figure...

So without the L to S wire it's just two SMOOTH ; is that right ?
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On Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:03 PM, Stephen Richards <okayjustalittle@...> wrote:
Looks like that's what Dmitri intended , which I didn't know until last night. I'm suspicious of one of the J201 legs as I found a bit of what looked like a ice of track on it. Going to check it when I get home.

On 10/11/2013, at 3:11 PM, <sasami@...> wrote:

From the photos it looks okay to me. It's hard to tell on the track side for obvious reasons. Have you tried to simply get it to work as a Smooth, by leaving out the link between L and S?


---In cgs_synth@yahoogroups.com, <okayjustalittle@...> wrote:

Photos are up !

On 09/11/2013, at 9:28 PM, Stephen Richards <okayjustalittle@...> wrote:

I'll try and get some photos up.

I have desoldered a few components a few times the reversed BC557 and the J201 and a few wires.y wiring is a bit hackneyed as I use a larger gauge wire than the anchor holes allow but it's never really caused me grief and I've built 6 of these panels in the last 3 years and i'm onto 7th.

The full SSG I built in Dmitri panel #2 works no problem.

I had a similar situation as this on my first panel with a CGS29 Wave Mult. Ended up swapping it out for a Serge Wave Mult.

I'll try the trimmer again too.

Thanks , I'll keep you all posted.





Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-13 by cg_synth

The 100n are simply across the power rails. For one of them to get hot, it
would have to be a component failure. If that was the case, I would also
expect it to affect other modules, as shorts on the power rails usually do.

Looking at the photo again, are you sure you have a 47pF and not a 100n just
above the TLO72?

Removing the S-L link does turn it into a Smooth. Read up on how to use the
stepped on some of the Serge sites. The thing requires an external clock
pulse to be able to do anything at all.
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>I don't know why but after removing the L to S connection this time , the
100n Cap next door to the CA3080 didn't burn and the 'STEPPED' section is
working finally.
>
>Apart from removing the L to S Â all i did was reflow a couple of resistor
joints that looked a bit dodgy (even though they were beeping under
continuity testing). Go figure...
>
>So without the L to S wire it's just two SMOOTH ; is that right ?
>
_______________________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>

Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-13 by Stephen Richards

I'll research more about it , thanks again Ken.
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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 7:52 PM, "sasami@..." <sasami@...> wrote:
The 100n are simply across the power rails. For one of them to get hot, it
would have to be a component failure. If that was the case, I would also
expect it to affect other modules, as shorts on the power rails usually do.

Looking at the photo again, are you sure you have a 47pF and not a 100n just
above the TLO72?

Removing the S-L link does turn it into a Smooth. Read up on how to use the
stepped on some of the Serge sites. The thing requires an external clock
pulse to be able to do anything at all.

>I don't know why but after removing the L to S connection this time , the
100n Cap next door to the CA3080 didn't burn and the 'STEPPED' section is
working finally.
>
>Apart from removing the L to S Â all i did was reflow a couple of resistor
joints that looked a bit dodgy (even though they were beeping under
continuity testing). Go figure...
>
>So without the L to S wire it's just two SMOOTH ; is that right ?
>
__________________________________________________________
Ken Stone sasami@... otherunicorn@...
Modular Synth PCBs for sale <http://www.cgs.synth.net/>



Re: Serge SSG problem.

2013-11-14 by Dmitri SFC

i just built one
Stepped section OUT & IN ... I had the wires swapped ! All stepping now.
d-
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