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Help with getting brightness to target level

Help with getting brightness to target level

2013-05-15 by golfwidow@frontiernet.net

I have a flatron w2061tq LG monitor. I'm using sypder 4 pro.  I have been trying for months to get a good calibration.  I set my monitor to factory settings and begin calibrating. It gets to the point where it asks me to adjust target brightness.  After ambient light reading it suggests as a target 180c/m^2.  It states mine is at 111 or 115. When I got to my OSD of my monitor the brightness level is already at 100%.   According to my monitor specs my monitor can go to 300c/m^2.  How am I supposed to get to the target setting if I can't go any higher than 100%.  I have begged and begged someone at datacolor support to help me and they are always general with their answers and never answer my specific problem.  So I never feel like my monitor is properly calibrated.  I should specify that I usually work on photos during the day in a moderately bright room.  On my older xp I had used spyder2express and got to the point where my prints matched monitor almost 100%. After getting new computer windows 7 64bit and spyder4pro (same monitor) I have been struggling.  Please help!

Also what should my settings be when starting the calibration process in the software. I set the monitor type to led(rgb). White point at 6500 and brightness to native.  I select brightness and contrast as what my monitor can adjust.  I start process and run into brightness problem!!

Re: Help with getting brightness to target level

2013-05-15 by mjfait

What is the contrast set to?

It might be too low.  Increasing contrast also increases the brightness.


--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, "golfwidow@..." <golfwidow@...> wrote:
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> I have a flatron w2061tq LG monitor. I'm using sypder 4 pro.  I have been trying for months to get a good calibration.  I set my monitor to factory settings and begin calibrating. It gets to the point where it asks me to adjust target brightness.  After ambient light reading it suggests as a target 180c/m^2.  It states mine is at 111 or 115. When I got to my OSD of my monitor the brightness level is already at 100%.   According to my monitor specs my monitor can go to 300c/m^2.  How am I supposed to get to the target setting if I can't go any higher than 100%.  I have begged and begged someone at datacolor support to help me and they are always general with their answers and never answer my specific problem.  So I never feel like my monitor is properly calibrated.  I should specify that I usually work on photos during the day in a moderately bright room.  On my older xp I had used spyder2express and got to the point where my prints matched monitor almost 100%. After getting new computer windows 7 64bit and spyder4pro (same monitor) I have been struggling.  Please help!
> 
> Also what should my settings be when starting the calibration process in the software. I set the monitor type to led(rgb). White point at 6500 and brightness to native.  I select brightness and contrast as what my monitor can adjust.  I start process and run into brightness problem!!
>

Re: [datacolor_group] Re: Help with getting brightness to target level

2013-05-15 by C D Tobie


On May 15, 2013, at 9:57 AM, "mjfait" <milan.fait@...> wrote:

What is the contrast set to?

It might be too low. Increasing contrast also increases the brightness.

Careful. In CRTs the contrast control adjusted blacks. In LCDs it does something quite different; but not always the same thing from one make or model to another. The suggestion to return contrast to its default state and leave it alone is still the best choice for most recent LCD displays.

C. David Tobie

Global Product Technology Manager



Datacolor
5 Princess Road

Lawrenceville, NJ 08648, USA

609.924.2189


Phone: 207.685.9248

Mobile: 207.312.0448

Fax: 207.685.4455

Email: ;cdtobie@...

Skype: cdtobie


Re: Help with getting brightness to target level

2013-05-15 by mjfait

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>
> 
> On May 15, 2013, at 9:57 AM, "mjfait" <milan.fait@...> wrote:
> 
> > What is the contrast set to?
> > 
> > It might be too low. Increasing contrast also increases the brightness.
> 
> Careful. In CRTs the contrast control adjusted blacks. In LCDs it does something quite different; but not always the same thing from one make or model to another. The suggestion to return contrast to its default state and leave it alone is still the best choice for most recent LCD displays. 
> 

Then what do you recommend golfwidow does in order to increase the brightness?

Re: [datacolor_group] Re: Help with getting brightness to target level

2013-05-15 by C D Tobie


On May 15, 2013, at 10:38 AM, "mjfait" <milan.fait@...> wrote:

Then what do you recommend golfwidow does in order to increase the brightness?

I suggest she determine how to get her display to 300 candelas, or there abouts, with no calibration or profiling involved to confuse the process. If the display won't do that, then the issue is with the display. If her display won't get brighter than 110 (which is an ideal level for color managed work in a dim environment, by the way, but won't be satisfying to many users, especially if they are obliged to work in brighter environments), then she should contact LG about how to get it brighter, or how to get it replaced. Even if she is willing to work at 110 candelas, she would probably like more headroom, to be assured the display will be usable over time...

C. David Tobie

Global Product Technology Manager



Datacolor
5 Princess Road

Lawrenceville, NJ 08648, USA

609.924.2189


Phone: 207.685.9248

Mobile: 207.312.0448

Fax: 207.685.4455

Skype: cdtobie


Re: Help with getting brightness to target level

2013-05-15 by golfwidow@frontiernet.net

I have had this monitor for 2 1/2 years.  When I was using it on my old system with spyder2express I had amazing results and almost 100% accuracy with prints versus monitor.  

According to the specs on my monitor it is able to be at 300 candelas.  Just not sure how to go about it.  LG support is not very helpful.  I never had to worry about this while using the express versus the pro where I have to make adjustments instead of the software doing it.

I am wondering if I need to make adjustments to brightness using my catalyst control center?

Right now after calibrating it is at 129 candelas.  I guess I can shut off some of the window light by closing the blinds and not mess with it any more.  It is just frustratiing.  Thanks.


--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
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> 
> On May 15, 2013, at 10:38 AM, "mjfait" <milan.fait@...> wrote:
> 
> > Then what do you recommend golfwidow does in order to increase the brightness?
> 
> I suggest she determine how to get her display to 300 candelas, or there abouts, with no calibration or profiling involved to confuse the process. If the display won't do that, then the issue is with the display. If her display won't get brighter than 110 (which is an ideal level for color managed work in a dim environment, by the way, but won't be satisfying to many users, especially if they are obliged to work in brighter environments), then she should contact LG about how to get it brighter, or how to get it replaced. Even if she is willing to work at 110 candelas, she would probably like more headroom, to be assured the display will be usable over time...
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Global Product Technology Manager
> 
> Datacolor
> 5 Princess Road
> Lawrenceville, NJ 08648, USA
> 609.924.2189
> www.datacolor.com
> 
> Phone: 207.685.9248
> Mobile: 207.312.0448
> Fax: 207.685.4455
> Email:  cdtobie@...
> Skype: cdtobie
>

Re: [datacolor_group] Re: Help with getting brightness to target level

2013-05-15 by C D Tobie


On May 15, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "golfwidow@..." <golfwidow@...> wrote:

I have had this monitor for 2 1/2 years. When I was using it on my old system with spyder2express I had amazing results and almost 100% accuracy with prints versus monitor.

Yes, at 110 candela, you could get excellent print to display matching, though it sounds like your ambient light is rather high, since it is suggesting 180.

According to the specs on my monitor it is able to be at 300 candelas.

Too late to object under warranty now...

Just not sure how to go about it. LG support is not very helpful.

Sorry to hear that.

I never had to worry about this while using the express versus the pro where I have to make adjustments instead of the software doing it.

You can to the exact same thing with Pro, by turning the ambient light functions off, and setting the target luminance to native. Results will continue to be as good as before. You will just be aware, now, that your display is quite time, so your room lighting should be dim as well, and that you may have to replace your display sooner than you would like, if it continues to get dimmer.

I am wondering if I need to make adjustments to brightness using my catalyst control center?

Deactivating the video card control center entirely is usually the best solution. They conflict with color management far more often than they assist with it.

C. David Tobie

Global Product Technology Manager



Datacolor
5 Princess Road

Lawrenceville, NJ 08648, USA

609.924.2189


Phone: 207.685.9248

Mobile: 207.312.0448

Fax: 207.685.4455

Skype: cdtobie


Re: Help with getting brightness to target level

2013-05-15 by golfwidow@frontiernet.net

Thanks so much for the advice. I probably will have to invest in a new monitor sooner than later. Any advice on which one to get. Mind you, I'm a photographer on more of the hobby side with occasional jobs here and there. I can't afford a very expensive monitor so any advice on the less expensive would be great. Thanks again!!!

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
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> 
> On May 15, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "golfwidow@..." <golfwidow@...> wrote:
> 
> > I have had this monitor for 2 1/2 years. When I was using it on my old system with spyder2express I had amazing results and almost 100% accuracy with prints versus monitor. 
> 
> Yes, at 110 candela, you could get excellent print to display matching, though it sounds like your ambient light is rather high, since it is suggesting 180.
> > 
> > According to the specs on my monitor it is able to be at 300 candelas.
> 
> Too late to object under warranty now...
> 
> > Just not sure how to go about it. LG support is not very helpful.
> 
> Sorry to hear that. 
> 
> > I never had to worry about this while using the express versus the pro where I have to make adjustments instead of the software doing it.
> 
> You can to the exact same thing with Pro, by turning the ambient light functions off, and setting the target luminance to native. Results will continue to be as good as before. You will just be aware, now, that your display is quite time, so your room lighting should be dim as well, and that you may have to replace your display sooner than you would like, if it continues to get dimmer.
> > 
> > I am wondering if I need to make adjustments to brightness using my catalyst control center?
> 
> Deactivating the video card control center entirely is usually the best solution. They conflict with color management far more often than they assist with it.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Global Product Technology Manager
> 
> Datacolor
> 5 Princess Road
> Lawrenceville, NJ 08648, USA
> 609.924.2189
> www.datacolor.com
> 
> Phone: 207.685.9248
> Mobile: 207.312.0448
> Fax: 207.685.4455
> Email:  cdtobie@...
> Skype: cdtobie
>

RE: [datacolor_group] Re: Help with getting brightness to target level

2013-05-16 by Gary H

Look at the Dell UltraSharp line. Very good monitors.

Gary
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Subject: [datacolor_group] Re: Help with getting brightness to target level

Thanks so much for the advice. I probably will have to invest in a new
monitor sooner than later. Any advice on which one to get. Mind you, I'm a
photographer on more of the hobby side with occasional jobs here and there.
I can't afford a very expensive monitor so any advice on the less expensive
would be great. Thanks again!!!

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>
> 
> On May 15, 2013, at 11:43 AM, "golfwidow@..." <golfwidow@...> wrote:
> 
> > I have had this monitor for 2 1/2 years. When I was using it on my old
system with spyder2express I had amazing results and almost 100% accuracy
with prints versus monitor. 
> 
> Yes, at 110 candela, you could get excellent print to display matching,
though it sounds like your ambient light is rather high, since it is
suggesting 180.
> > 
> > According to the specs on my monitor it is able to be at 300 candelas.
> 
> Too late to object under warranty now...
> 
> > Just not sure how to go about it. LG support is not very helpful.
> 
> Sorry to hear that. 
> 
> > I never had to worry about this while using the express versus the pro
where I have to make adjustments instead of the software doing it.
> 
> You can to the exact same thing with Pro, by turning the ambient light
functions off, and setting the target luminance to native. Results will
continue to be as good as before. You will just be aware, now, that your
display is quite time, so your room lighting should be dim as well, and that
you may have to replace your display sooner than you would like, if it
continues to get dimmer.
> > 
> > I am wondering if I need to make adjustments to brightness using my
catalyst control center?
> 
> Deactivating the video card control center entirely is usually the best
solution. They conflict with color management far more often than they
assist with it.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Global Product Technology Manager
> 
> Datacolor
> 5 Princess Road
> Lawrenceville, NJ 08648, USA
> 609.924.2189
> www.datacolor.com
> 
> Phone: 207.685.9248
> Mobile: 207.312.0448
> Fax: 207.685.4455
> Email:  cdtobie@...
> Skype: cdtobie
>




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