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2015-05-03 by carlspost2@...
Hi All, now that I have my dkv connected to my pc with the correct cable (thanks again for your help on that) my next project is to render my midi files to audio using virtual piano software. I just wondered if anyone had experience doing this and if there was software that stood out. I am leaning towards ivory ii American D Steinway and Garritan cfx Yamaha... Cheers, Carl
2015-05-03 by Carol Beigel
In the past, I used the Steingraebber upright sounds in Native Instruments for my Dad's recordings for our family. It sounded just like him playing. I really like the virtual piano sounds for CDs, better than using audio. In the past, more expensive was better, but there is an entire range of what people find acceptable. I have heard both good and bad concerning the Garrison sounds. It really boils down to what you want to hear! Good luck. Carol Beigel
> On May 3, 2015, at 7:49 AM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hi All, now that I have my dkv connected to my pc with the correct cable (thanks again for your help on that) my next project is to render my midi files to audio using virtual piano software. I just wondered if anyone had experience doing this and if there was software that stood out. I am leaning towards ivory ii American D Steinway and Garritan cfx Yamaha... Cheers, Carl > > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: carlspost2@... > ------------------------------------ > > To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: > disklavier-owner@Yahoogroups.com > > To reach our group's web site go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/disklavier/info > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: > disklavier-unsubscribe@yahooGroups.com > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > >
2015-05-03 by Skanter123
Carl, I use Ivory American Concert D for virtual nighttime playing with headphones and recording, and love it. Many like Pianoteq, which is more customizable and might provide a more sensitive playing experience, but I prefer the sound of Ivory. You can get a demo version of Pianoteq on their site, it has a small footprint unlike Ivory, which is huge and takes half a day to install. Sam www.keyboardcollective.com (212) 684-3304
> On May 3, 2015, at 7:49 AM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hi All, now that I have my dkv connected to my pc with the correct cable (thanks again for your help on that) my next project is to render my midi files to audio using virtual piano software. I just wondered if anyone had experience doing this and if there was software that stood out. I am leaning towards ivory ii American D Steinway and Garritan cfx Yamaha... Cheers, Carl > >
2015-05-03 by George Frederick Litterst
Good evening, everyone. The Garritan Abbey Road Studios CFX from MakeMusic is stunning: http://www.garritan.com/products/cfx-concert-grand-virtual-piano/ <http://www.garritan.com/products/cfx-concert-grand-virtual-piano/> However, there are currently 2 big disappointments: (1) The software player that comes with this product knows nothing about incremental pedaling for the sustain pedal. When a piano is properly regulated, there is a bit of lost motion at the beginning of the pedal stroke. In other words, you push the sustain pedal down just a little bit and the dampers do not move at all. Then, there is a range of motion during which the dampers are in partial contact with the strings. Lastly, there is the final range of motion during which the dampers are fully off the strings. I have contacted the developers and hold out at least a bit of hope that they will update the product. Without such an update, many pieces will have unacceptable pedal blur. (2) The product has many, many parameters that you can customize to your heart’s content, including the velocity curve. Regrettably, the MakeMusic is unable to say what velocity curve would actual match that of an acoustic grand piano. There is definitely the potential for high quality, microphone-free recording with this product if these two problems can be surmounted. Regards, PianoBench
> On May 3, 2015, at 7:49 AM, carlspost2@yahoo.com.au [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hi All, now that I have my dkv connected to my pc with the correct cable (thanks again for your help on that) my next project is to render my midi files to audio using virtual piano software. I just wondered if anyone had experience doing this and if there was software that stood out. I am leaning towards ivory ii American D Steinway and Garritan cfx Yamaha... Cheers, Carl > >
2015-05-03 by carlspost2@...
2015-05-04 by Skanter123
Seems this would eliminate this piano from contention. IMO, best to try the free demo from Pianoteq, or go with Synthogy Ivory American Concert D. Sam www.keyboardcollective.com (212) 684-3304
> On May 3, 2015, at 7:07 PM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Have to agree with Pianobench, > > > I cannot understand why a company would investment so much into developing what is a stunning sound without the very basic pedal requirements needed by even a mid level pianist. > > Its like Ferrari coming out with a new model sports car - without wheels. I'm all for quality but it has to be functional too! > > Cant wait for them them to come out with the update... not looking forward to the inevitable price increase! > > > Carl >
2015-05-04 by George F. Litterst
Good evening, everyone. Sam, either of these products support incremental sustain pedal? Do either have a velocity curve that matches the Disklavier? Just curious. Regards, PianoBench
> On May 3, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Seems this would eliminate this piano from contention. > > IMO, best to try the free demo from Pianoteq, or go with Synthogy Ivory American Concert D. > > Sam > www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com/> > (212) 684-3304 > > > > > > On May 3, 2015, at 7:07 PM, carlspost2@... <mailto:carlspost2@...> [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > >> >> Have to agree with Pianobench, >> >> >> I cannot understand why a company would investment so much into developing what is a stunning sound without the very basic pedal requirements needed by even a mid level pianist. >> >> Its like Ferrari coming out with a new model sports car - without wheels. I'm all for quality but it has to be functional too! >> >> Cant wait for them them to come out with the update... not looking forward to the inevitable price increase! >> >> >> Carl >> > >
2015-05-04 by Skanter123
George, AFAIK they both support incremental pedal, and have totally adjustable velocity curves. Sam www.keyboardcollective.com (212) 684-3304
> On May 3, 2015, at 8:56 PM, 'George F. Litterst' PianoBench@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Good evening, everyone. > > > Sam, either of these products support incremental sustain pedal? > > Do either have a velocity curve that matches the Disklavier? > > Just curious. > > Regards, > PianoBench > > >> On May 3, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> Seems this would eliminate this piano from contention. >> >> IMO, best to try the free demo from Pianoteq, or go with Synthogy Ivory American Concert D. >> >> Sam >> www.keyboardcollective.com >> (212) 684-3304 >> >> >> >> >> >>> On May 3, 2015, at 7:07 PM, carlspost2@....au [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Have to agree with Pianobench, >>> >>> >>> I cannot understand why a company would investment so much into developing what is a stunning sound without the very basic pedal requirements needed by even a mid level pianist. >>> >>> Its like Ferrari coming out with a new model sports car - without wheels. I'm all for quality but it has to be functional too! >>> >>> Cant wait for them them to come out with the update... not looking forward to the inevitable price increase! >>> >>> >>> Carl >>> >> > >
2015-05-04 by George F. Litterst
Good to know about the incremental pedal. Do these products reveal the MIDI parameters for the 3 stages of the pedal stroke: initial lost motion, partial damper contact, and fully raised dampers? Is there a particular velocity curve that is known to match the velocity curve of the Disklavier? PB
> On May 3, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > George, AFAIK they both support incremental pedal, and have totally adjustable velocity curves. > > Sam > www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com/> > (212) 684-3304 > > > > > > On May 3, 2015, at 8:56 PM, 'George F. Litterst' PianoBench@... <mailto:PianoBench@...> [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > >> >> Good evening, everyone. >> >> >> Sam, either of these products support incremental sustain pedal? >> >> Do either have a velocity curve that matches the Disklavier? >> >> Just curious. >> >> Regards, >> PianoBench >> >> >>> On May 3, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... <mailto:skanter123@...> [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Seems this would eliminate this piano from contention. >>> >>> IMO, best to try the free demo from Pianoteq, or go with Synthogy Ivory American Concert D. >>> >>> Sam >>> www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com/> >>> (212) 684-3304 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 3, 2015, at 7:07 PM, carlspost2@....au <mailto:carlspost2@...> [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.c om <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Have to agree with Pianobench, >>>> >>>> >>>> I cannot understand why a company would investment so much into developing what is a stunning sound without the very basic pedal requirements needed by even a mid level pianist. >>>> >>>> Its like Ferrari coming out with a new model sports car - without wheels. I'm all for quality but it has to be functional too! >>>> >>>> Cant wait for them them to come out with the update... not looking forward to the inevitable price increase! >>>> >>>> >>>> Carl >>>> >>> >> >> > >
2015-05-04 by Mark Fontana
I have tried in the past to obtain from Yamaha the official MIDI velocity to physical hammer velocity mapping for the Disklavier, but this table was considered "confidential proprietary information" and the engineering department in Japan refused to release it. (Which makes little sense, since someone determined to get this information could simply measure it from a couple of Disklaviers in the field. Wayne Stahnke came up with a pretty good approximation by ear, used for translating between SE/LX format and Disklavier-style MIDI velocities, but it's not based on physical measurements.) Anyway, with such a table for the Disklavier and a similar table mapping MIDI velocities to simulated hammer velocities in the the piano synthesis software, one could theoretically get the mapping exactly right. Mark Fontana On 05/03/2015 07:56 PM, 'George F. Litterst' PianoBench@... [disklavier] wrote:
> > Good evening, everyone. > > > Sam, either of these products support incremental sustain pedal? > > Do either have a velocity curve that matches the Disklavier? > > Just curious. > > Regards, > PianoBench > > >> On May 3, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... >> <mailto:skanter123@...> [disklavier] >> <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >> >> >> Seems this would eliminate this piano from contention. >> >> IMO, best to try the free demo from Pianoteq, or go with Synthogy >> Ivory American Concert D. >> >> Sam >> www.keyboardcollective.com <http://www.keyboardcollective.com/> >> (212) 684-3304 >>
2015-05-04 by Skanter123
> On May 3, 2015, at 9:15 PM, 'George F. Litterst' PianoBench@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Good to know about the incremental pedal. Do these products reveal the MIDI parameters for the 3 stages of the pedal stroke: initial lost motion, partial damper contact, and fully raised dampers? > Don't know. Pianoteq shows a real-time graphic of the pedal moving, and it certainly looks incremental,but I could be wrong - I'll have to check again. Worth trying free demo version - get full one (pro) to see all features. Very quick download. > > Is there a particular velocity curve that is known to match the velocity curve of the Disklavier? Not that I know of. For Pianoteq, people send in and share velocity files for different controllers, but I haven't seen one for dkv. Pianoteq also has a calibration method for calibrating pedal and expression for your individual . Ivory supports "half-pedaling", not sure what this means. Re velocity, from manual: How do I optimize Ivory’s response for my controller? In order to take full advantage of Ivory’s timbral and dynamic range it is important to optimize Ivory’s response for the MIDI controller you will be using to play Ivory from. This can be done easily from Ivory’s Velocity Page. The first step is to determine the range of MIDI values your controller is capable of sending. Not all controllers will send the full range of MIDI velocity values (0-127). You can quickly determine this by using the ‘Set” button on the Ivory Velocity page. You will be prompted to play your softest and loudest notes, in succession, from your controller. This will give you a range of Min and Max velocity values to use with your controller. You can then use the Min and Max velocity controls to tweak those values from there, but the ‘Set’ button will give you a good idea of what your controller is sending. Once you’ve determined that, you can select an ‘Arc Type’ for the velocity response, and a ‘Hardness’ setting that is tailored to your touch or style of playing. Following this procedure should allow you to produce a velocity response in Ivory that is fined tuned for both your controller and your playing. One final note, the overall sensitivity and dynamic range will also be affected by the ‘Dynamic Range’ control on Ivory’s main screen page. So once you’ve found a response that suits you on the Velocity Page, the overall dynamic range can be further tweaked to your taste with this control for each program." Hope this helps...
> > PB > >> On May 3, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> George, AFAIK they both support incremental pedal, and have totally adjustable velocity curves. >> >> Sam >> www.keyboardcollective.com >> (212) 684-3304 >> >> >> >> >> >>> On May 3, 2015, at 8:56 PM, 'George F. Litterst' PianoBench@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Good evening, everyone. >>> >>> >>> Sam, either of these products support incremental sustain pedal? >>> >>> Do either have a velocity curve that matches the Disklavier? >>> >>> Just curious. >>> >>> Regards, >>> PianoBench >>> >>> >>>> On May 3, 2015, at 8:45 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Seems this would eliminate this piano from contention. >>>> >>>> IMO, best to try the free demo from Pianoteq, or go with Synthogy Ivory American Concert D. >>>> >>>> Sam >>>> www.keyboardcollective.com >>>> (212) 684-3304 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 7:07 PM, carlspost2@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.c om> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Have to agree with Pianobench, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I cannot understand why a company would investment so much into developing what is a stunning sound without the very basic pedal requirements needed by even a mid level pianist. >>>>> >>>>> Its like Ferrari coming out with a new model sports car - without wheels. I'm all for quality but it has to be functional too! >>>>> >>>>> Cant wait for them them to come out with the update... not looking forward to the inevitable price increase! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Carl >>> > >