From: "Bill Brandom billbrando@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Mark IV reset
Glenn,
Try using the OMNI OUTS and go into settings and bring your OMNI OUT volume to a 100 and see if this makes a difference.
Yes, you can attach a FAT formatted flash drive to the piano. No drawbacks other than the fact that the Mark IV can only see MIDI files on this drive, not audio.
Bill
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On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:29 PM, Glenn Smutny G.SMUTNY@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
HI Bill and Kevin,
Thanks for following up on this with me. Now that I have Kevin's software pulled up on my iMac and successfully communicating with the piano, I do recall about the volume detail coming up when you press the "Volume" button at the upper left of the screen. When I originally opened it, all of the volumes were set at 126 - full volume. I hit the reset, and the volumes reset as would be expected - 100, 100, 64, 0....on the screen only. The volume of the piano and supporting accompaniment are still miles apart. One thing I also noticed, was when only playing a soundtrack background (or CD only accompaniment disk) by itself, the volume never is very loud. As I type, I am about 20 feet from the center of the piano, and on a scale of 1 to 10, I would put it at about 1 1/2. The noise the keys make when playing in silent mode are actually louder.
It truly is like the speakers have been turne d way down, but I have checked them again, and they are set to full volume on both Line 1 and 2 of each speaker. And each speaker is working. The two EQ knobs on the left of each speaker are centered at 12:00.
My Omni outputs are not currently being used. If you think that might provide a resolution, I will try. I see I will have to get a 1/4" phone to RCA adapter. I will try that tomorrow. But there is still something wrong with how my piano is operating.
Regarding the picture below, should the Audio Volume Adjust be at -30%? When I try to change it to a positive value, it still doesn't seem to make much difference. And it seems to vary from track to track.
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One other question regarding the USB port. IS it possible to install a 256 GB flash drive for additional "hard drive like" storage? What are the drawbacks? Or if this is going to require that I start from scratch, that I change the drive to a SSD of some larger size?
Thanks as always,
Glenn
On Oct 30, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Bill Brandom billbrando@... [disklavier] wrote:
Glenn,
Any new information with your Mark IV volume problem? Hopefully, Kevin's suggestions have solved your issue. I remember someone else reporting this problem 6 or 7 years ago. If I remember correctly, the customer had made a volume change using the iOS app and the PRC100 could not override the volume setting. I had the customer check his iOS device and make the volume change from it.
Are your OMNI Outputs currently being used? One option would be to use those outputs instead of the OUTPUTS connected to your Mark IV speakers.
Bill
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From: Glenn Smutny G.SMUTNY@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2016 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Mark IV reset
Thank you. I will try this this evening.
Glenn SmutnyG.SMUTNY@COMCAST.net
On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Kevin Goroway kgoroway@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Sorry for the double post...I said I was late to t he thread...and I was...I hadn't read this far back.
This is interesting...I've never heard of such a problem, or that the protocol had changed to make this less likely (I certainly never noticed a protocol change at all...).
The fact is that the protocol is exceedingly poorly designed, and the fact that it works as well as it does is mostly though the magic of software. Both the PRC, and TRC (and DKVBrowser, and any other participant) needs to be keenly aware that there are others involved. A better protocol could have avoided a whole lot of the problems that this causes...but I suspect that the tablet and handheld teams over in Japan were in some sort of competition to see whose controller would ship with the piano, and didn't concern themselves with the fact that both might end up being avai lable. Anyway, I'm guessing, and this is all speculation. Back to the point.
The way the protocol works is a client says to the piano, for example:"Hey, make the volume 50." (this is point to point, no other clients hear it)
The piano responds with:"Hey, everyone, the volume is now 50." &n bsp;(this is *also* point to point, but the piano says it individually to every client who has connected)
There isn't much more to it. Except, now software is involved...and, imagine, if you would, a piece of software that says, "Huh, that's odd, my user says the volume should be 75, not 50, so I'm going to tell the piano to make it 75."
And, now things appear broken. It feels like you have no control over the volume.
But, here's what I am getting at... software could be causing this issue. Shut dow n everything. Every piece of software that you have that connects to the piano. Shut it down. iOS/Android/Windows/PRC/TRC. Make sure you get 'em all.
Reboot the piano.
Run DKVBrowser (or the PRC or TRC) and have a look at what the piano is announcing as the volume. If it is 80, change it to 60. And wait 5 seconds. If it sticks, no one is arguing with you about the volume. If the volume isn't appropriate for the level chosen, I would investigate other things as I mentioned in my prior post.
-Kevin
From: "Bill Brandom billbrando@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Mark IV reset
Ken,
I agree with you. I kind of remember hearing of this problem and it had something to do with volume setting in the Disklavier iOS app.
Bill
Love God. Love People. Make a difference.
On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:58 PM, ken@ruda.us [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I've seen this problem, too! I first noticed it when using the IOS remote. I'm wondering if it's being caused when you have more than one remote communicating with to your piano and a volume change on one remote does not successfully receive and execute notification of the change - creating an out of sync issue . And then the volume is adjusted it again on the other remote.
I remember something about the software protocol was changed to optimize this communication protocol without the doublecheck and verifying all remotes were in sync before the I/O center made the change.
Does this ring a bell with anyone?