Disklavier

> On Oct 18, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Dave daveproberts@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Try the Disklavier Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/27445600903/ <https://www.facebook.com/groups/27445600903/>
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> On Oct 18, 2019, at 2:41 PM, 'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Seems to me to be one mess of an interface.  I have always avoided Facebook as it seems to be too intrusive.  There has got to be something simpler for our simple group.
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> Kind regards
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> Geoff Ward
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> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
> Sent: Friday, 18 October 2019 6:03 PM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Yahoo Groups Changing
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> Try the Disklavier Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/27445600903/
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 7:09 PM
To: 'Geoff Ward' gward1211@bigpond.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Yahoo Groups Changing
 
  
I agree.  I avoid Facebook like the plague.
 
                     Joe Priest
 
On Friday, October 18, 2019, 05:41:44 PM EDT, 'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... <mailto:gward1211@...>  [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: 
 
 
  
Seems to me to be one mess of an interface.  I have always avoided Facebook as it seems to be too intrusive.  There has got to be something simpler for our simple group.
 
Kind regards
 
Geoff Ward
 
 
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>  [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, 18 October 2019 6:03 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Yahoo Groups Changing
 
  
Try the Disklavier Facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/27445600903/

On 10/18/19 7:08 PM, bill@...-a-geek.com [disklavier] wrote:
> Facebook requires registering on Facebook. To many, including myself, 
> it is a dealbreaker. I run a small IT company and I am plenty aware of 
> the pitfalls of joining Facebook.
>
> However, to address your issues. What is so 'last decade' about this 
> mailing list that you think Facebook can do better?
>
> You mention sharing media is a 'near impossibility'. What type of 
> filesharing you would want? All I have seen are uploads of pdf files 
> and photographs.
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> Most of the important information I have seen pass through here is 
> messages/text.
>
> Do you want something else? something like Pianoworld?
>
> There are plenty of 'off-the-shelf' programs that can easily replace 
> this Yahoo group without going to Facebook.
>
> IMHO,
>
> Bill
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On 19/10/2019, at 12:30 PM, Mark Fontana mark@... [disklavier] wrote:

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> I concur that Facebook is not an ideal solution.  Migrating to groups.io is a possibility, but one of us would need to pay USD $110 (upfront, and possibly annually) if we want that company to automatically migrate the Yahoo Groups membership roster, message database, file library, etc.  Or we could start a new group there on their free service tier, but we would need to bring over our files and get everyone to sign up again, and we would not have the message history available, and there would be only 1 GB of storage.  Many existing Yahoo groups are migrating to groups.io due to it being an easy solution, but personally, I'd be wary about doing that without knowing more about how it protects user data (such as not selling email lists to marketing firms).  Plus, there's no guarantee that this new provider won't go under too within a few years.
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> A while back, someone tried to get people to move to a Google-hosted Disklavier group.  There was also that original "DUG" mailing list run by Yamaha since the early 1990s.  My recollection is that DUG was officially shut down.  The Google group seems to have fizzled out about 14 years ago but is still live at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ydug
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> For a couple of years, I had parked the domain "playerpianoforum.com" thinking I might set up a vBulletin/UBB/XenForo-style web forum similar to Piano World with sections for Disklavier, PianoDisc, QRS Pianomation, Pianocorder, Pianoforce, Steinway Spirio, Live Performance LX, etc. and a couple of "common" areas for discussion applicable to all systems, such as sources of MIDI files, editing tools, etc.  I never got around to setting it up, out of concern for stealing thunder from the existing groups, liability for user-provided content, dealing with spammers posting links to illegal sites, etc.  But maybe a forum like that is still worth considering.  Some consider web forums to be obsolete, but the nice thing about them is that you're not dependent on some corporate entity who can claim ownership of the content, change or discontinue the service at any time, etc.
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> I received a couple of emails in response to my posting in which people assumed I have some kind of administrative role in this group.  I actually don't.  It should probably be Todd Muncy (or the individual to whom he's planning to hand off the group) who decides what to do about the demise of Yahoo Groups.  I just wanted to raise the issue, since other groups have been sounding the alarm this week and it hadn't been mentioned here yet.
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> I'm willing to participate in a migration effort, but as I am more of a general player piano enthusiast (I don't personally own a Disklavier), any solution I'd devise would be more along the lines of a forum with sections for each of the player systems rather than something Disklavier-centric.  The way I see it, the users of the various systems tend to have some things in common and could benefit from a platform that facilitates mingling.
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> Mark Fontana 
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> On 10/18/19 7:08 PM, bill@...-a-geek.com [disklavier] wrote:
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>> Facebook requires registering on Facebook. To many, including myself, it is a dealbreaker. I run a small IT company and I am plenty aware of the pitfalls of joining Facebook. 
>> 
>> However, to address your issues. What is so 'last decade' about this mailing list that you think Facebook can do better?
>> 
>> You mention sharing media is a 'near impossibility'. What type of filesharing you would want? All I have seen are uploads of pdf files and photographs. 
>> 
>> Most of the important information I have seen pass through here is messages/text. 
>> 
>> Do you want something else? something like Pianoworld?
>> 
>> There are plenty of 'off-the-shelf' programs that can easily replace this Yahoo group without going to Facebook. 
>> 
>> IMHO,
>> 
>> Bill
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> On Oct 18, 2019, at 8:05 PM, Ian wam@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Mark's suggestion of a "web forum similar to Piano World with sections for Disklavier, PianoDisc, QRS Pianomation, Pianocorder, Pianoforce, Steinway Spirio, Live Performance LX, etc. and a couple of "common" areas for discussion applicable to all systems, such as sources of MIDI files, editing tools, etc." could actually be a real  improvement on what we have had: Some of us operate various systems other than Disklavier and are equally interested in systems we don't.  
> Mark's impartiality and technical help by email and forum to so many of us, over so many years, deserves recognition and "playerpianoforum.com" in the form he suggests would be a gift.
> Can anyone see a down-side to Mark's offer? I would be grateful for his oversight of any replacement for the group we are about to lose.
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> Ian Williamson
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>> On 19/10/2019, at 12:30 PM, Mark Fontana mark@... [disklavier] wrote:
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>> I concur that Facebook is not an ideal solution.  Migrating to groups.io is a possibility, but one of us would need to pay USD $110 (upfront, and possibly annually) if we want that company to automatically migrate the Yahoo Groups membership roster, message database, file library, etc.  Or we could start a new group there on their free service tier, but we would need to bring over our files and get everyone to sign up again, and we would not have the message history available, and there would be only 1 GB of storage.  Many existing Yahoo groups are migrating to groups.io due to it being an easy solution, but personally, I'd be wary about doing that without knowing more about how it protects user data (such as not selling email lists to marketing firms).  Plus, there's no guarantee that this new provider won't go under too within a few years.
>> 
>> A while back, someone tried to get people to move to a Google-hosted Disklavier group.  There was also that original "DUG" mailing list run by Yamaha since the early 1990s.  My recollection is that DUG was officially shut down.  The Google group seems to have fizzled out about 14 years ago but is still live at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ydug
>> 
>> For a couple of years, I had parked the domain "playerpianoforum.com" thinking I might set up a vBulletin/UBB/XenForo-style web forum similar to Piano World with sections for Disklavier, PianoDisc, QRS Pianomation, Pianocorder, Pianoforce, Steinway Spirio, Live Performance LX, etc. and a couple of "common" areas for discussion applicable to all systems, such as sources of MIDI files, editing tools, etc.  I never got around to setting it up, out of concern for stealing thunder from the existing groups, liability for user-provided content, dealing with spammers posting links to illegal sites, etc.  But maybe a forum like that is still worth considering.  Some consider web forums to be obsolete, but the nice thing about them is that you're not dependent on some corporate entity who can claim ownership of the content, change or discontinue the service at any time, etc.
>> 
>> I received a couple of emails in response to my posting in which people assumed I have some kind of administrative role in this group.  I actually don't.  It should probably be Todd Muncy (or the individual to whom he's planning to hand off the group) who decides what to do about the demise of Yahoo Groups.  I just wanted to raise the issue, since other groups have been sounding the alarm this week and it hadn't been mentioned here yet.
>> 
>> I'm willing to participate in a migration effort, but as I am more of a general player piano enthusiast (I don't personally own a Disklavier), any solution I'd devise would be more along the lines of a forum with sections for each of the player systems rather than something Disklavier-centric.  The way I see it, the users of the various systems tend to have some things in common and could benefit from a platform that facilitates mingling.
>> 
>> Mark Fontana 
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>> On 10/18/19 7:08 PM, bill@...-a-geek.com [disklavier] wrote:
>>>  
>>> Facebook requires registering on Facebook. To many, including myself, it is a dealbreaker. I run a small IT company and I am plenty aware of the pitfalls of joining Facebook. 
>>> 
>>> However, to address your issues. What is so 'last decade' about this mailing list that you think Facebook can do better?
>>> 
>>> You mention sharing media is a 'near impossibility'. What type of filesharing you would want? All I have seen are uploads of pdf files and photographs. 
>>> 
>>> Most of the important information I have seen pass through here is messages/text. 
>>> 
>>> Do you want something else? something like Pianoworld?
>>> 
>>> There are plenty of 'off-the-shelf' programs that can easily replace this Yahoo group without going to Facebook. 
>>> 
>>> IMHO,
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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> On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:48 AM, kassey22000@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Great catch Kevin, thank you!  Thanks also to all who have come up with alternative forums/platform suggestions.  
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> I'll also have to pass if this goes to Facebook.  With a career in tech, I view Facebook as a terrible corporate citizen and corrosive to society.  I will not feed that beast.  
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> I've asked management at Yamaha Buena Park to put at least some energy into the Disklavier community at large and while they claim it's important - nothing yet.  
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> With Enspire representation/ownership appearing to be very rare in this forum, I'm not sure there is enough base out there for management to even allocate resources to feedback, monitoring, or promoting these marvelous pianos let alone older models.   
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> I'll ask around to see if other forums might be good alternatives in addition to the ones mentioned here.  
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> I �note the Facebook group has 1,229 members. Have no idea how many 
> subscribe to this forum - but for me - the difference is night and 
> day. �This forum has immeasurably added to my enjoyment of my DCS-2 
> which I bought new, 19 years ago. I try to avoid FB for many reasons, 
> however concede the combination of rich media (text, images, video) is 
> a plus.
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> I do hope Yamaha recognizes that members of this group are not only 
> vocal supporters who actively use the instrument, but are among the 
> first to purchase upgrades (DKC-850), purchase media (Piano Soft) and 
> exchange information that goes well beyond what Yamaha provides. I 
> also know members of this group upgrade to newer models (Enspire), so 
> the group, I believe is important to their base.
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>> On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Mark Fontana mark@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> I did some checking around this week on our Yahoo Groups problem and have two updates to report:
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> 1) Yamaha said they are working on a corporate-level forum, but "it will not be ready for launch for a couple years. The reason is because of the number of additional resources needed to create one, and because it has to represent the entire Yamaha product family, possibly at a global scale. Until we can provide something direct to Disklavier users, my suggestion is to utilize PianoWorld for your discussion needs. There are already a number of Yamaha dealers, reps, and users on that site. Our dealers and reps monitor the site regularly and it is much easier to access than a closed group."
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> 2) I contacted Frank Baxter, the administrator of Piano World, and he is willing to create some additional sub-forums there for solenoid-based player systems, particularly if a few of us would take on the task of moderating them so as not to burden his existing volunteers.  Frank is in the middle of a move right now and suggested we follow up on this in a couple of weeks.
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> Unless other options emerge between now and then, this might be a reasonable option for us, especially given the relatively low volume of postings to our Yahoo Group over the past couple of years (especially once you subtract the "Get me off this list!" messages that inevitably appear after any dormant period).  Piano World does support links and inline photos in postings. There is no file repository, but we could find some other options to meet that need.
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> Mark Fontana
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com on behalf of dashby dashby@... [disklavier]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 7:56:48 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Yahoo Groups Changing

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Just testing to see if emails still work.

On 10/27/2019 12:57 PM, raymond hitney captainray12@... [disklavier] wrote:

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Thanks Kevin.\ufffd Much appreciated!

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 7:50 AM Kevin Goroway kgoroway@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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I have successfully archived all of the emails (no attachments, or files) from both dkvbrowser and disklavier yahoo groups as of this morning.\ufffd It isn't in a great format, but at least nothing is actually lost.

I used this script:\ufffd\ufffdnsapa/yahoo-group-archiver

nsapa/yahoo-group-archiver

Scrapes and archives a Yahoo groups email archives, photo galleries and file contents using the non-public API -...

At least we can preserve the history that way.

-Kevin

On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 01:10:33 AM EDT, bill@...-a-geek.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Hi,

Pianoworld uses a platform called UBB, a commercial platform. There are other platforms that are free, open source. Many BBs platforms are run on one of these.

Here is a comparison of UBB with other platforms:

https://www.forummatrix.org/compare/ubb-threads+smf+mybb+vanilla+fluxbb+phpbb

phpBB is the mostly used, popular and relatively easy to set up. Here is their homepage:

https://www.phpbb.com/

I am offering to help with the installation and setup if others are interested. I have extensive experience (almost 15 years) with the platforms (LAMP stack) required for this software.

Bill

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