Disklavier

Sorry to those who were annoyed by my *KEEP PRIVATE E-MAIL PRIVATE 
*blast to all on the list.

I came back for being away from my e-mail for a week and had scads of 
dug e-mail to sort through. The private conversations notwithstanding, I 
had to sort through the other posts that had no subject line description 
of DK model to allow me to use my e-mail filter.

If we could do better at putting MK II,  Mark II, MK III, Mark III, MK 
IV, Mark IV, MK 4,  etcetera in the subject line, this list would be 
much easier to use. Those of us with Mark III's and older do not have 
the Disklavier Radio and other MK IV features that are commonly 
discussed. This discrepancy creates an us (old DK's) versus them (the 
newest DK) on this list. Many of us wonder why we paid so much for our 
DK's when Yamaha seems to sell us a new DK so we can get the usability 
we would like. Yamaha could provide some level of upgradability for us 
but chooses to ignore us. We do not need the limits of our older DK's  
constantly demonstrated by the discussion of the DK 4's.

If Yamaha makes different DK's for different markets, they could also 
make upgrade modules, whether they be hardware or software.

Mark in Idaho

Mark wrote:
> Sorry to those who were annoyed by my *KEEP PRIVATE E-MAIL PRIVATE 
> *blast to all on the list.
>
> I came back for being away from my e-mail for a week and had scads of 
> dug e-mail to sort through. The private conversations notwithstanding, I 
> had to sort through the other posts that had no subject line description 
> of DK model to allow me to use my e-mail filter.
>
>   
You might be surprised at what you see in the headers. I filter for the 
disklavier group using the rule:
 "sender contains disklavier@yahoogroups.com" OR "To or CC contains 
disklavier@yahoogroups.com"
I do similar things for the Google Groups and the dug group.

> If we could do better at putting MK II,  Mark II, MK III, Mark III, MK 
> IV, Mark IV, MK 4,  etcetera in the subject line, this list would be 
> much easier to use. Those of us with Mark III's and older do not have 
> the Disklavier Radio and other MK IV features that are commonly 
> discussed. This discrepancy creates an us (old DK's) versus them (the 
> newest DK) on this list. Many of us wonder why we paid so much for our 
> DK's when Yamaha seems to sell us a new DK so we can get the usability 
> we would like. Yamaha could provide some level of upgradability for us 
> but chooses to ignore us. We do not need the limits of our older DK's  
> constantly demonstrated by the discussion of the DK 4's.
>   

I'm not sure I see a "them vs us" here, but I do know what you mean 
about upgrades. I have a MarkIIXG upright with DCD1 which gives me 99% 
of the functionality of a MarkIII upright. There is no MarkIV upright, 
nor are there any plans to create one, so I'm stuck at this level 
anyway, but it would be really nice if Yamaha was to produce a MarkIV 
control unit (ala DSR1) which provided the hard drive, CD drive, 
wireless support, Disklavier Radio, PDA control, new synth sounds, etc. 
They wont though, so I'm stuck with an early 90's PC soundcard (the 
DB51XG) in a black, 280KG, \ufffd8,000 UK box :-)
> If Yamaha makes different DK's for different markets, they could also 
> make upgrade modules, whether they be hardware or software.
>   

I guess they would make far more markup on the new Piano than on the 
upgrade model and so don't see the benefit in spending time and money 
doing it. It's quite interesting that Yamaha, as far as I can see, still 
haven't release the source code to all of the GPL components they've 
used in the MarkIV software though. Perhaps the GPL doesn't apply in 
Japan? :)

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, James Fry <groups@...> wrote:
>
> It's quite interesting that Yamaha, as far as I can see, still 
> haven't release the source code to all of the GPL components they've 
> used in the MarkIV software though. Perhaps the GPL doesn't apply in 
> Japan? :)
>

I've just buyed a C3Pro MarkIV in Europe. We can't get version 2.0 (I
asked Yamaha via mail a week ago and they say there's no date for this
release).
In the manual (version 1.1) initial page Yamaha addres to 
http://www.global.yamaha.com/download/disklavier_markiv/
(it's an orphan page of the site you may not access from menu or search)
where to download 1.1 GNU Gpl parts (?!?) of the source code.

I've downloaded and red it but it seems to contain the software used
to develop the system (Linux RedHat for sure) and to miss all
proprietary routines.

Questions are:
- has anybody looked in these files? Is correct there are no
proprietary (low level) routines?
- In 2.0 manual (if any) or files inside 2.0 CD you (lucky ones!)get
in USA are there any URL for 2.0 source code? Does anybody looked
inside them?

And more:
In the very same page of 1.1 manual (page "i") Yamaha wrote: "NOTE ON
THE ONLINE DOCUMENT - Additional licence information is included in
the HDD in the Disklavier system. Connect the LAN port on the I/O
Center to your network router, and then open the respective documents
in the [Document] folder in the Disklavier's HDD"

- Has anybody successfully connected a MarkIV to an home network? All
previous posts report not! 

I'm not sure about code developed under Red Hat, maybe it's allowed to
keep secret part of code that fits inside the system but intended for
property devices (like Disklavier). Altought the manual note says "you
may request form Yamaha the source code for any portions of the
product WHICH are licensed under GNU Gpl.....". 


Regards
Roberto

Many thanks George for your help!

I've an ADSL router where I connect my 3 computers (PC, MAC, Linux).
Router has DHCP automatic assignment. Anyway IP addresses are known.
I've tried both connecting DK to this router and connecting DK to a PC
directly with proper cabling. 
In both cases I tried to set "Lan - Network" as expected (get address
from DHCP or fixing an IP). 
Do I miss something? 

Roberto


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst"
<PianoBench@...> wrote:

>
> Good morning, everyone.
> 
> On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Roberto wrote:
> 
> > - Has anybody successfully connected a MarkIV to an home network? All
> > previous posts report not!
> 
> I have done this, and I believe that I have read reports of others on  
> this list who have done so.
> 
> I am happy to help. Please provide details about your network (what  
> computers and routers you have and how everything is connected), and  
> let us know what step in the process seems to fail.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
>

There is more to the Mark IV system than just the control unit.
However, the retrofit of a Mark IV-like unit onto earlier units
is probably not a whole lot of effort.

Ron Natalie wrote:
> There is more to the Mark IV system than just the control unit.
> However, the retrofit of a Mark IV-like unit onto earlier units
> is probably not a whole lot of effort.  
>   

Sure - I appreciate the MarkIV is an incredible device and has 
significantly improved capabilities through new hardware in the piano. 
There are major software improvements that would work great with older 
pianos over MIDI though, and this shouldn't take that much work as they 
already have done most of it for the MarkIV. I'd love to have the 
Disklavier Radio support for example, and some modern and semi-realistic 
synth sounds to back the piano. Maybe I'll roll my own solution and sell 
the units to fund a MarkIV ;-)

Thanks a lot for your detailed suggestions, George.
Don't exitate to ask for details, I'm asking for help and any step by
step instructions will be useful for me and for other people that will
read it.

Yes, router works as DHCP host. It assigns IP. 

But the trouble is that I live in Europe and I can't get version 2.0.
In this 1.1 there is no "Network" tab inside "Setup"

I've used instead "network" from PRC-100 menu and then I edited and
activated "Lan - TCP/IP" service. Then rebooted.

Nothing new. To control IP addresses I use to select the WI-FI icon in
the right-bottom part of the screen, that opens a little window that
displays "connected..." and allows to re-connect or disconnect PRC. In
the upper-right corner push "i" button and IP address will appear.
My one is still 192.168.88.254   (very funny 88!! - just like the
number of keys in a piano.....).

So the question is:
- it's possible to connect to a network with a 1.1 release?

If not, why Yamaha reports in the 1.1 manual (page "i"): "NOTE ON
THE ONLINE DOCUMENT - Additional licence information is included in
the HDD in the Disklavier system. Connect the LAN port on the I/O
Center to your network router, and then open the respective documents
in the [Document] folder in the Disklavier's HDD"

I wish to investigate for GPL/Gnu licensing about the Disklavier.
What's reported in the 2.0 manual about Gpl issues and URL to dowload
source code?

Thanks in advance

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst"
<PianoBench@...> wrote:

>
> Good morning, everyone.
> 
> Roberto, are you saying that your router is set up as a DHCP host and  
> that your various computers get an IP address from the router  
> automatically?
> 
> If so, I suggest that you proceed to set up the Disklavier in the  
> same way. Here are my suggestions (I realize that you may have done  
> some of these things, and I apologize if it sounds like I am talking  
> down to you):
> 
> --Make sure that the Ethernet cable that connects the Disklavier to  
> the router is a good one.
> 
> --Be sure that the Ethernet cable connects to an LAN port (not a WAN)  
> port on the router. You might specifically try using a port that has  
> been successfully used with one of your computers.
> 
> --Connect the Disklavier to the network while the Disklavier is off  
> and then start it up.
> 
> Assuming that you have installed the 2.0 software on your Disklavier  
> AND updated the PRC100, you should be able to access the Network  
> screen on the PRC100 and verify that your Disklavier is set to DHCP.  
> To do so:
> 
> --Go to the top level screen on the PRC100 and tap Next.
> 
> --On the second main screen, tap Setup.
> 
> --In the Setup area, tap Next to go to the 2nd setup screen and then  
> tap Network.
> 
> --The 1st Network screen shows the connection method (DHCP or other  
> choices). Make the setting for DHCP if necessary.
> 
> --Tap Next to go to the 2nd Network screen and then tap Connection  
> Info. The Connection Info screen will tell you if your Disklavier has  
> a valid IP address.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
> 
> www.georgelitterst.com
> www.timewarptech.com
> 
> 
> On Sep 18, 2007, at 8:43 AM, ipermedia wrote:
> 
> > Many thanks George for your help!
> >
> > I've an ADSL router where I connect my 3 computers (PC, MAC, Linux).
> > Router has DHCP automatic assignment. Anyway IP addresses are known.
> > I've tried both connecting DK to this router and connecting DK to a PC
> > directly with proper cabling.
> > In both cases I tried to set "Lan - Network" as expected (get address
> > from DHCP or fixing an IP).
> > Do I miss something?
> >
> > Roberto
> >
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst"
> > <PianoBench@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good morning, everyone.
> > >
> > > On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Roberto wrote:
> > >
> > > > - Has anybody successfully connected a MarkIV to an home  
> > network? All
> > > > previous posts report not!
> > >
> > > I have done this, and I believe that I have read reports of  
> > others on
> > > this list who have done so.
> > >
> > > I am happy to help. Please provide details about your network (what
> > > computers and routers you have and how everything is connected), and
> > > let us know what step in the process seems to fail.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > PianoBench
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>